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"oriel36" |
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04 Feb 2006 01:10:22 PM |
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Equation of Time transfer |
The pre-Copernican astronomers noted that no two observations of the
return of the Sun to noon each day would give the same value.They came
up with the Equation of Time solution which equalises the variations so
that one 24 hour day elapses into the next 24 hour day.
When Copernicus discovered that the Earth rotates on its axis,the first
heliocentrists adapted the equable 24 hour day principle to axial
rotation as an independent and constant motion at 15 degrees per hour
and 24 hours/360 degrees.This means that the Equation of Time
principles still exist in the astronomical background and this way
clocks always keep pace with axial rotation.
Newtonian jokers imagine that the Earth rotates to the Sun in exactly
24 hours as a way to justify that the Earth rotates to a star in 23
hours 56 minutes 04 seconds -
http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547762/Sidereal_Time.html
This is where Newton was getting his .986 degree orbital motion by
borrowing a axial coordinate and shoving it into the calendrically
driven 1461 day system.Newtonians say that the Earth orbits the Sun in
365.25 days but they really are working with a calendar system based
on 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days -
http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547762/Sidereal_Time.html
No wonder the guys got sick of Newton's clockwork solar system,as James
would say,your clocks are broke even for annual orbits.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Equation of Time transfer |
04 Feb 2006 01:36:49 PM |
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"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139080222.543456.151390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| The pre-Copernican astronomers noted that no two observations of the
| return of the Sun to noon each day would give the same value.They came
| up with the Equation of Time solution which equalises the variations so
| that one 24 hour day elapses into the next 24 hour day.
|
| When Copernicus discovered that the Earth rotates on its axis,the first
| heliocentrists adapted the equable 24 hour day principle to axial
| rotation as an independent and constant motion at 15 degrees per hour
| and 24 hours/360 degrees.This means that the Equation of Time
| principles still exist in the astronomical background and this way
| clocks always keep pace with axial rotation.
|
| Newtonian jokers imagine that the Earth rotates to the Sun in exactly
| 24 hours as a way to justify that the Earth rotates to a star in 23
| hours 56 minutes 04 seconds -
|
| http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547762/Sidereal_Time.html
|
| This is where Newton was getting his .986 degree orbital motion by
| borrowing a axial coordinate and shoving it into the calendrically
| driven 1461 day system.Newtonians say that the Earth orbits the Sun in
| 365.25 days but they really are working with a calendar system based
| on 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days -
|
| http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547762/Sidereal_Time.html
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| No wonder the guys got sick of Newton's clockwork solar system,as James
| would say,your clocks are broke even for annual orbits.
:)
That is way too simple for some here to grasp.
of course.
The clocks malfunctioned, (for time dilation stuff)
is also still too simple for the complicated SR mind to grasp
such a simple fact.
If we are to ever to travel in space at speeds close to
light, we first need to fix the clock (even if we use time dilation
equations to fix it to the proper time)
hence removing the clocks fault.
Lots do not understand that when a clock is fixed using time dilation
factors
that it is actually synced to "real" time again and the 'fixing' is actually
removing the clock malfunction.
When such malfunctions are removed, we start to again use
timing in the correct operation it was designed to do.
(To be a non variant, periodic counting method)
If we do not "fix" the clock malfunctions and simply
accept them as real "time changes" we will be crashing
into all sorts of things with the same problem trains
used to have when they crashed simply because the
on board train clock goofed up.
If we do not learn from such history about the clock,
we are doomed to repeat it.
(as SR fanatics are doomed to do)
Good thing you understand this history and you are
also finding more faults with the present day thoughts
about "time".
:)
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| User: "oriel36" |
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| Title: Re: Equation of Time transfer |
05 Feb 2006 05:53:43 AM |
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Things have changed for me over the years James and I prefer to marvel
at the visible natural geometry nowadays and just appreceate and
admire how fragile and delicate existence is.Considering that this
quiet condition is reach through the effort to understand the enormous
scales in geometry and timescales or the extreme conditions going on
beneath our feet or out on what we celestially observe I find it more
and more difficult to find fault with humanity and especially those who
know nothing of these things .
It is not that Newton/Flamsteed were wrong and created this enormous
mess,it is that the working principles requiring the Earth's axial and
orbital motions remain botched up in a 17th century ballistic agenda
that worked only by destroying the axial/orbital relationship,this
destruction is again seen in that website -
http://encarta.msn.com/media_461547762/Sidereal_Time.html
So James,the answer exists in the movement of a hand across the face of
a clock and the underlying geometry and motion of the Earth to which
that movement keeps pace.It is really,really tricky to see how the
pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day transfers to its heliocentric
adaption to axial rotation but every teenager would love how it was
done if graphics were made availible and a better explanation than the
one I provide.
It is a pity that all the major organisations get the value for axial
rotation wrong even when common sense dictates that it is wrong -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
Relativity and Newtonian mechanics circles that error of mixing axial
rotation with orbital motion when you can see from the time lapse
footage of Jupiter and Saturn that Copernicus and even the Ptolemaics
had kept orbital motion isolated from axial rotation for coming to
their conclusions on planetary motion -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
So,axial rotation in isolation for the 24 hour clock system and orbital
motion in isolation for Copernican heliocentricity is being buried
under a calendrically driven system based on mixing axial rotation with
orbital motion .Hope you can see the difference.
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