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Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
SECOND AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENT
CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF
A PREFERRED (spatial) FRAME
Cahill has claimed that Michelson interferometers can only
detect absolute motion if there is gas in the light path. So far
5 such gas-mode experiments have been identified, including
in particular Michelson and Morley, and Miller. As well the
results from these have been confirmed by the totally different
coaxial cable technique (3 experiments). In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated. Essentially Cahill's theory also applies
to these devices. His theory predicts that these experiments
will detect no evidence of absolute motion as they suffer from
the same design flaw of all Michelson vacuum-mode
interferometers - because of an exact cancellation between the
path length changes and the relativistic length contraction effect
for the arms. Despite the design flaw in these vacuum cavity
experiments, which are thus dud experiments, their non-response
is claimed to prove the anisotropy of the speed of light.
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period. Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Pete Brown
http://www.mountainman.com.au/process_physics/
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13 Dec 2006 08:59:16 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:22 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
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In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<snip>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period.
Wow, thanks, thats exciting news !
But before jumping to conclusions, they need to make sure that the
period is a sideral day, rather than a solar day.
Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Looking forward to hearing more.
Regards,
Surfer
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14 Dec 2006 06:36:52 AM |
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"Surfer" <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:22 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
<snip>
In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<snip>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period.
Wow, thanks, thats exciting news !
But before jumping to conclusions, they need to make sure that the
period is a sideral day, rather than a solar day.
And that the effects are not directly related to temperature
variations, sure. No doubt further research is in progress.
The sci.physics crackpot patrol men are thick and fast this
time of year, it would appear. They seem to jump on these
threads as if their flaming livelihood depended on the ascii.
Pete Brown
Did Constantine create Christianity?
www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/article_029.htm
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15 Dec 2006 09:00:55 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:36:52 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
The sci.physics crackpot patrol men are thick and fast this
time of year, it would appear. They seem to jump on these
threads as if their flaming livelihood depended on the ascii.
I think most readers expected the experiments by Dawkins and Luiten to
prove Cahill wrong.
From:
http://www.aipc2006.com/abstract/470.htm
"We note also that this experiment provides a rigorous test of the controversial claims of Cahill"
But your announcement suggests that they not only failed to prove
Cahill wrong, but may be on the way to proving him correct.
Cheers
Surfer
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16 Dec 2006 09:09:03 AM |
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Surfer wrote:
http://www.aipc2006.com/abstract/470.htm
They claim an "all-sapphire Fabry-Pérot cavity" to which the lasers are
mode locked. That implies to me that the determining length is in
sapphire, a solid. That it is "suspended in a vacuum chamber that can be
filled with various gases" does not affect the frequency-determining
length of the sapphire cavity, except that the gas reduces its thermal
isolation and will surely increase the systematic errors.
So it looks to me like this does not really test Cahill's claims.
And as I said, hold off your celebration until they perform a
comprehensive error analysis. Indeed, wait until they have actual results.
Tom Roberts
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14 Dec 2006 12:55:39 PM |
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mountain man wrote:
<Reg Cahill *****-kissing snipped>.
Pete Brown
Why do you spend all your time with your nose in Reg Cahill's *****,
"Pete"?
1. An antirelativistic crackpot: Reg Cahill
2. An agenda: prove the existence of absolute motion
3. Ignorance of simple theory of speed composition in moving media :
Reg Cahill
4. An inept experimenter ready to fake his results: Reg Cahill
5. A persistent *****-kisser ("Pete Brown")
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13 Dec 2006 10:22:05 AM |
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"Surfer" <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:22 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
<snip>
In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<snip>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period.
Wow, thanks, thats exciting news !
But before jumping to conclusions, they need to make sure that the
period is a sideral day, rather than a solar day.
Exactly!
Harald
Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Looking forward to hearing more.
Regards,
Surfer
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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13 Dec 2006 09:08:41 AM |
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"Surfer" <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote in message news:6l40o25steb3i912ggnkhf7lko4adr32s3@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:22 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
<snip>
In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<snip>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period.
Wow, thanks, thats exciting news !
But before jumping to conclusions, they need to make sure that the
period is a sideral day, rather than a solar day.
Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Looking forward to hearing more.
Regards,
Surfer
Warning:
Surfer = Reginald Cahill.
Coward :-)
Dirk Vdm
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13 Dec 2006 09:35:08 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:08:41 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
Warning:
Surfer = Reginald Cahill.
Rubbish !
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13 Dec 2006 11:45:08 AM |
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Surfer wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:22 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
<snip>
In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<snip>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period.
Wow, thanks, thats exciting news !
But before jumping to conclusions, they need to make sure that the
period is a sideral day, rather than a solar day.
I love this stuff,tell them how they justify the Earth's axial and
orbital motions using a 1461 day cycle of 3 years of 365 days and 1
year of 366 days.Newton then got you to believe it is actually a 365.25
day cycle and then create a homogenised 'sidereal' average based on the
return of a star in 23 hours 56 minutes and 04 seconds.
With axial rotation fixed to celestial sphere geometry you then get to
morph it into orbital motion to an aether/absolute space and
bobs-your-uncle you have MMX and a result based on the calendar system
based on celestial sphere geometry.You get the same result from a
homogenised average 'warped celestial sphere space' no matter what you
do and it is so damn funny.
Be sure indeed !,let me show you exactly what that certainty is -
http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif
Nobody can match Newton hence this 100 year old circus where all still
exist at the level of his celestial sphere geometry.Even when you
thought you escaped Newton you become ever more his disciples for at
the core of his concepts lurks that incredible Ra/Dec geometry
otherwise known as sub-geocentric celestial sphere geometry.
Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Looking forward to hearing more.
Regards,
Surfer
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- is a philosophy, a faith; it is even, if you like,
- a religion.
- It puts your ultimate trust not in human intelligence,
- but in whatever it is that created
- human intelligence."
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13 Dec 2006 10:07:03 AM |
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mountain man wrote:
<Reg Cahill inept "data" snipped>
Pete Brown
Coming back with some more Reg Cahill ***** kissing? His "results" are
still faked and his formulas are still wrong.
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13 Dec 2006 10:13:40 AM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1166026023.492332.154960@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
mountain man wrote:
<Reg Cahill inept "data" snipped>
Pete Brown
Coming back with some more Reg Cahill ***** kissing? His "results" are
still faked and his formulas are still wrong.
But he's got Reginals The Man Himself to back him up.
Do you remember "Peter" doing exactly the same a few
months ago?
It seems that Reginald Peter is calling himself "Surfer Rubbish"
now ;-)
Dirk Vdm
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13 Dec 2006 10:16:04 AM |
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mountain man wrote:
<idiocies snipped>
Pete Brown
Pete Brown= Reg Cahill
It was explained to you several months ago that :
1. Your equations are wrong (you do not understand relativistic seed
composition). Shevek and I took turns in explaining this to you.
2. Your experiment is flawed. Tom Roberts explained that to you
Why do you keep embarassing yourself with such cheap tactics, no self
respecting journal publishes your ***** anyway.
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13 Dec 2006 02:18:38 PM |
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mountain man wrote:
SECOND AUSTRALIAN EXPERIM
Since those claims, if true, would be worth at least
two articles in prl, get back to us when one or more
apperars in prl.
ENT
CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF
A PREFERRED (spatial) FRAME
Cahill has claimed that Michelson interferometers can only
detect absolute motion if there is gas in the light path. So far
5 such gas-mode experiments have been identified, including
in particular Michelson and Morley, and Miller. As well the
results from these have been confirmed by the totally different
coaxial cable technique (3 experiments). In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated. Essentially Cahill's theory also applies
to these devices. His theory predicts that these experiments
will detect no evidence of absolute motion as they suffer from
the same design flaw of all Michelson vacuum-mode
interferometers - because of an exact cancellation between the
path length changes and the relativistic length contraction effect
for the arms. Despite the design flaw in these vacuum cavity
experiments, which are thus dud experiments, their non-response
is claimed to prove the anisotropy of the speed of light.
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period. Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Pete Brown
http://www.mountainman.com.au/process_physics/
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15 Dec 2006 02:33:25 AM |
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mountain man wrote:
SECOND AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENT
CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF
A PREFERRED (spatial) FRAME
Cahill has claimed that Michelson interferometers can only
detect absolute motion if there is gas in the light path.
Einstein claimed as much 85 years ago.
So far
5 such gas-mode experiments have been identified, including
in particular Michelson and Morley, and Miller. As well the
results from these have been confirmed by the totally different
coaxial cable technique (3 experiments). In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated.
<< Essentially Cahill's theory also applies
to these devices. >>
No it doesn't. It claims gereralised Maxwell's equations
but never actually derives them.
They would look similar to this:
http://www.research.ibm.com/grape/grape_ewald.htm
....and can predict this:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/GSP/SEM0L6OVGJE_0.html
His theory predicts that these experiments
will detect no evidence of absolute motion as they suffer from
the same design flaw of all Michelson vacuum-mode
interferometers - because of an exact cancellation between the
path length changes and the relativistic length contraction effect
for the arms. Despite the design flaw in these vacuum cavity
experiments, which are thus dud experiments, their non-response
is claimed to prove the anisotropy of the speed of light.
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
A Machian inertial reference frame can be detected with a
gyroscope. That lends no support at all to the electrodynmaics
described in the 2006 Cahill paper that can be attacked on
all manner of flaws, real and imagined, since no URL was
offered and questions about it have gone unanswered in this
n.g.
Sue...
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period. Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Pete Brown
http://www.mountainman.com.au/process_physics/
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I've never seen an aether, have you?
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I've never seen an aether, have you?
Not in this thread.
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mountain man wrote:
SECOND AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENT
CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF
A PREFERRED (spatial) FRAME
Cahill has claimed that Michelson interferometers can only
detect absolute motion if there is gas in the light path. So far
5 such gas-mode experiments have been identified, including
in particular Michelson and Morley, and Miller. As well the
results from these have been confirmed by the totally different
coaxial cable technique (3 experiments). In recent years there
have been a number (5?) of modern versions of the Michelson
interferometer experiment. This uses two orthogonal resonant
Fabry-Perot cavities. Rather than detecting interference fringes
as the device is rotated these experiments detect changes in the
beat frequency of the resonant frequencies of the two cavities
as the device is rotated. Essentially Cahill's theory also applies
to these devices. His theory predicts that these experiments
will detect no evidence of absolute motion as they suffer from
the same design flaw of all Michelson vacuum-mode
interferometers - because of an exact cancellation between the
path length changes and the relativistic length contraction effect
for the arms. Despite the design flaw in these vacuum cavity
experiments, which are thus dud experiments, their non-response
is claimed to prove the anisotropy of the speed of light.
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
They only had two days of data for presentation to the conference,
but that data clearly detected the rotation of the earth with respect
to a preferred frame by means of a clean sinusoidal shift in the beat
frequency with a 24 hour period. Soon they will have a speed and
direction of absolute motion after further refining the experiment.
If this initial report is confirmed we would now have 9 successful
absolute motion experiments.
Pete Brown
http://www.mountainman.com.au/process_physics/
"Always Knowing Precisely How Fast the Earth is Turning"
http://www.zeiss.com/C125716F004E0776/0/DB95426F0494AB1DC125717500445CEE/$File/Innovation_10_18.pdf
The gas pressuse must be carefully controlled.
Cahill's theory suffers the same flaws as Einstein's where
matter and space are interchanged with inadaquate rigour.
The paper:
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/PP-07-15.pdf
....mistates nearfield magnetic effects, over 100 years after
Oliver Heaviside formalised them.
http://www.conformity.com/0102reflectionsfig3.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_impedance
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirmsCahill |
15 Dec 2006 08:48:11 PM |
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mountain man wrote:
SECOND AUSTRALIAN EXPERIMENT
CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF
A PREFERRED (spatial) FRAME
Hmmm.
Cahill has claimed that Michelson interferometers can only
detect absolute motion if there is gas in the light path. So far
5 such gas-mode experiments have been identified, including
in particular Michelson and Morley, and Miller.
Nether Michelson and Morley's nor Miller's measurements have any
SIGNIFICANT signal.
The essence of Cahill's "theory" and analysis is to completely ignore
errorbars. That is not science.
And he has given no explanation of why a solid medium does not "work" --
the rest of us do not put much faith in such special pleads (he claims
gas is needed, not from any theoretical reasons but merely because he is
able to interpret ONLY the results from gas-filled interferometers as
having a "signal"). And solid-filled coax experiments.
Hint: coax is far more temperature sensitive than fiber optic
cables. And gas-filled interferometers are far more temperature
sensitive than vacuum or solid ones. The correlation between
finicky experiments and Cahill's "signal" is rather striking,
and I strongly doubt it is coincidental.
Cahill performed a recent measurement using coax, but could not be
bothered to measure his systematic errors, or even monitor the
temperature. As an experimentalist he is utterly incompetent. I don't
think his "theory" is any better, and certainly his analysis of other
experiments is execrable.
they suffer from
the same design flaw of all Michelson vacuum-mode
interferometers
This is not a "design flaw", it is merely an aspect of their design.
Yes, Cahill has a "theory" that predicts a null result for them, and a
non-null result for similar experiments with gas inside.
Of course the presence of the gas makes them ENORMOUSLY more
finicky, and when one ignores errorbars one prefers finicky
experiments, as they are more easily interpreted as having
a "signal". This is not science.
My point is, these other experiments were doing science, and were
TESTING THEORIES, it's just that they were not testing Cahill's theory
-- WHICH POST-DATED MOST OF THEM. Cahill and you are not doing science.
<shrug>
- because of an exact cancellation between the
path length changes and the relativistic length contraction effect
for the arms.
This is, of course, highly theory dependent. There are other theories
than Cahill's. And you cannot legitimately criticize experiments for not
testing his "theory" if they were performed before he published. Indeed,
such criticisms are out of bounds until he manages to get it published
in the peer reviewed physics literature. Don't hold your breath.... <shrug>
Despite the design flaw in these vacuum cavity
experiments, which are thus dud experiments, their non-response
is claimed to prove the anisotropy of the speed of light.
TYPO: omit "an" ----------^^
Only by fools like you and Cahill who refuse to do science.
To the experimenters themselves, and to the scientific community, these
are not "dud experiments", they are valid experiments that did not
refute SR. The fact that there might be other theories they did not test
is not of major importance. <shrug>
However a major development has occurred - two physicists
(Dawkins and Luiten) at the University of Western Australia
reported last week at a physics conference in Brisbane Australia
that when gas (nitrogen at 10 torr) was placed in one of the
cavities they detected a preferred frame, as Cahill predicted.
Your celebration seems premature. Perhaps you should wait until they
prepare an error analysis....
Tom Roberts
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| User: "Surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
15 Dec 2006 10:14:46 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:11 -0600, Tom Roberts
<tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cahill performed a recent measurement using coax, but could not be
bothered to measure his systematic errors, or even monitor the
temperature.
I think a key indicator is that the signal varied with sideral time.
What kind of errors could cause that?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
15 Dec 2006 11:19:52 PM |
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Surfer wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:11 -0600, Tom Roberts
<tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cahill performed a recent measurement using coax, but could not be
bothered to measure his systematic errors, or even monitor the
temperature.
I think a key indicator is that the signal varied with sideral time.
What kind of errors could cause that?
Still trying to learn physics from this NG, Reg?
Unfortunately Tom is going to be generous again and tell you what you
fucked up experimentally. I told you some time ago what you fucked up
in the theoretical part.
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| User: "Surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
15 Dec 2006 10:09:40 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:11 -0600, Tom Roberts
<tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cahill performed a recent measurement using coax, but could not be
bothered to measure his systematic errors, or even monitor the
temperature.
I think a key indicator is that the signal varied with sideral time.
What kind of errors could cause that?
Schnoll also detected
Regards,
Surfer
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
15 Dec 2006 10:42:00 PM |
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Dear Surfer:
"Surfer" <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote in message
news:62s6o21oaq7gj2aj3bkoct83n8sc573d61@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:48:11 -0600, Tom Roberts
<tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Cahill performed a recent measurement using coax,
but could not be bothered to measure his systematic
errors, or even monitor the temperature.
I think a key indicator is that the signal varied with
sideral time.
What kind of errors could cause that?
Diurnal temperature variations would be really close to this. If
he didn't bother to measure temperature *at all*, then his data
is adjacent to useless.
Schnoll also detected
Detected what? Peer reviewed? Did this researcher note
temperature, or do we have yet another "cowboy"?
David A. Smith
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| User: "Surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 12:31:01 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:42:00 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
<dlzc@aol.com> wrote:
"Surfer" <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote in message
I think a key indicator is that the signal varied with
sideral time.
What kind of errors could cause that?
Diurnal temperature variations would be really close to this.
Not after six months, as diurnal temperature variations would then
have shifted 180 degrees relative to sideral time.
So if the signal remained in phase with sideral time (which Cahill
claims is the case for his experiment) then it could not be due to
diurnal temperature variations.
Some Russian researchers (led by Shnoll) have discovered that the
pattern of emission of alpha particles from plutonium 239 is
anisotropic. There is a paper here.
http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2005/PP-01-11.PDF
According to references in the above, they have also published in a
other journals. Eg.
Shnoll S.E.,Pozharski E.V.,Zenchenko T.A.,Kolombet V.A.,
Zvereva I.M.and Konradov A.A.
Fine structure of distributions in measurements of different processes
as affected by geophysical and cosmophysical factors.
Phys.and Chem. Earth A:Solid Earth and Geod.,1999,v.24(8),711 –714.
Shnoll S.E.
Discrete distribution patterns:arithmetic and
cosmophysical origins of their macroscopic fluctuations.
Biophysics ,2001,v.46(5),733 –741.
They don't suggest a mechanism. Cahill has suggested that motion
relative to space might cause such effects.
Or alternatively, the mechanism that causes these "Shnoll effects"
might also cause an illusion of motion relative to space, when people
do Cahill type experiments.
Regards,
Surfer
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 01:05:18 AM |
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Surfer wrote:
Some Russian researchers (led by Shnoll) have discovered that the
pattern of emission of alpha particles from plutonium 239 is
anisotropic. There is a paper here.
http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2005/PP-01-11.PDF
Ha,ha, ha another one from your sucker friend Dmitri rabounski from
"Regress in Physics". He publishes any antirelativistic garbage, Reg.
Besides, you fucked up the theory in your paper, you don't know how to
compute light speed in moving media. If you knew, you would have known
that your "experiment" would have predicted a nul result NO MATTER what
medium you are using : gas, water, solids.
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| User: "Surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 05:57:38 AM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 23:05:18 -0800, wrote:
Surfer wrote:
Some Russian researchers (led by Shnoll) have discovered that the
pattern of emission of alpha particles from plutonium 239 is
anisotropic. There is a paper here.
http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2005/PP-01-11.PDF
Ha,ha, ha another one from your sucker friend Dmitri rabounski from
"Regress in Physics". He publishes any antirelativistic garbage, Reg.
In what way is the above paper by Shnoll et. al. antirelativistic? It
doesn't mention relativity. Furthermore, related papers are available
in other journals. Eg.
Shnoll S.E.,Pozharski E.V.,Zenchenko T.A.,Kolombet V.A.,
Zvereva I.M.and Konradov A.A.
Fine structure of distributions in measurements of different processes
as affected by geophysical and cosmophysical factors.
Phys.and Chem. Earth A:Solid Earth and Geod.,1999,v.24(8),711 –714.
Shnoll S.E.
Discrete distribution patterns:arithmetic and
cosmophysical origins of their macroscopic fluctuations.
Biophysics ,2001,v.46(5),733 –741.
How do you explain that?
Are we supposed to believe that all the editors are suckers?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 09:22:35 AM |
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Surfer wrote:
How do you explain that?
Are we supposed to believe that all the editors are suckers?
Dmitri Rabounski from "Regress in Physics" certainly is. On relativity
subjects he publishes only the antirelativistic refuse from mainstream
journals, like Rg Cahill's garbage. He's a great admirer and friend to
Reg, by his own admission.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 09:33:15 AM |
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<karandash2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1166282555.269324.17350@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Surfer wrote:
How do you explain that?
Are we supposed to believe that all the editors are suckers?
Dmitri Rabounski from "Regress in Physics" certainly is. On relativity
subjects he publishes only the antirelativistic refuse from mainstream
journals, like Rg Cahill's garbage. He's a great admirer and friend to
Reg, by his own admission.
Who would not want to be a great admirer and friend of the
Man Who Turned The Scientific World On Its Ear?
http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/Steene.pdf
| "Flinders University theoretical physicist Reg Cahill has
| turned the scientific world on its ear by claiming he has
| found science's Holy Grail - the fabled Theory of
| Everything."
:-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 09:43:36 AM |
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Surfer wrote:
In what way is the above paper by Shnoll et. al. antirelativistic? It
doesn't mention relativity. Furthermore, related papers are available
in other journals. Eg.
Shnoll S.E.,Pozharski E.V.,Zenchenko T.A.,Kolombet V.A.,
Zvereva I.M.and Konradov A.A.
Fine structure of distributions in measurements of different processes
as affected by geophysical and cosmophysical factors.
Phys.and Chem. Earth A:Solid Earth and Geod.,1999,v.24(8),711 -714.
Shnoll S.E.
Discrete distribution patterns:arithmetic and
cosmophysical origins of their macroscopic fluctuations.
Biophysics ,2001,v.46(5),733 -741.
Riiight. As such it doesn't support Cahill's claims. You used an
irrelevant argument, Reg. Still trying to learn physics by posting to
this NG? This is why you never got FULL professorship. An old fart who
is going to retire ASSISTANT professor. Given the "earth shattering"
discoveries, you may loose your position altogether as a permanent
embarassment to your university .
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| User: "Surfer" |
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| Title: Re: Existence of Preferred Frame: 2nd Australian Experiment confirms Cahill |
16 Dec 2006 05:44:06 PM |
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On 16 Dec 2006 07:43:36 -0800, wrote:
Surfer wrote:
In what way is the above paper by Shnoll et. al. antirelativistic? It
doesn't mention relativity. Furthermore, related papers are available
in other journals. Eg.
Shnoll S.E.,Pozharski E.V.,Zenchenko T.A.,Kolombet V.A.,
Zvereva I.M.and Konradov A.A.
Fine structure of distributions in measurements of different processes
as affected by geophysical and cosmophysical factors.
Phys.and Chem. Earth A:Solid Earth and Geod.,1999,v.24(8),711 -714.
Shnoll S.E.
Discrete distribution patterns:arithmetic and
cosmophysical origins of their macroscopic fluctuations.
Biophysics ,2001,v.46(5),733 -741.
Riiight. As such it doesn't support Cahill's claims.
I agree.
Shnoll offers no hypothesis for his observations.
It is Cahill who suggested that they could be caused by the effects of
"absolute motion".
Shnoll is merely the innocent recipient of this supposition !
However, if a currently unknown cosmophysical phenomenon is capable of
causing the effects Shnoll et. al. have observered, the same phenomena
might also cause say, the refractive index of gas to vary
anisotrophically.
That could be an alternative explanation for anomalous gas mode
interferometer experiment results.
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