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I grabbed this gif below from a forum that was discussing the article.
Many were claiming the prediction is a bit 'chicken little' if you
will because the ocean temp. near NYC is just too cool to support a
category 3 or larger storm..hence weakening before landfall. Perhaps
a weather buff would like to comment on the realistic possibility. I
live in New Jersey and have weathered over a dozen Hurricanes and
Tropical Storms in my 44 years. Never has one been more than a
category 1. Although the flooding has been on par a few times with
the events in the Southern US recently without the wind or severe
storm surge.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/913/sstbrown5ab.gif
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Keith
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article315001.ece
Experts warn New York: you could be next
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 25 September 2005
Experts are predicting still more hurricanes, in what could be the
worst year for the storms since records began. The US government's
official National Hurricane Center and scientists at Colorado State
University, who predicted both Katrina and Rita, expect several more
named storms in the remaining two months of the hurricane season. And
the World Meteorological Organisation believes that the record of 21,
set in 1933, may be beaten.
Some of these storms could hit the US, and experts say New York could
be the next city to be devastated. The area around the Big Apple is
listed by the Center as the fifth most vulnerable in the country,
after New Orleans, the Florida Keys, Tampa in Florida and Galveston in
Texas, all targeted by hurricanes in the past two years.
Max Mayfield, director of the Center, told Congress that Katrina "will
not be the last major hurricane to hit a vulnerable area, and New
Orleans is not the only location vulnerable to a large disaster from a
land-falling hurricane".
Local experts say that such a catastrophe is "inevitable", and the New
York City authorities warn that it could bring a 30ft-high storm surge
crashing into Manhattan.
The city says at least a million New Yorkers are at risk, and has
drawn up plans to evacuate those within 10 blocks of the water. But
the city could have less warning than Texas or Louisiana, since
hurricanes move faster as they head northwards.
Experts are predicting still more hurricanes, in what could be the
worst year for the storms since records began. The US government's
official National Hurricane Center and scientists at Colorado State
University, who predicted both Katrina and Rita, expect several more
named storms in the remaining two months of the hurricane season. And
the World Meteorological Organisation believes that the record of 21,
set in 1933, may be beaten.
Some of these storms could hit the US, and experts say New York could
be the next city to be devastated. The area around the Big Apple is
listed by the Center as the fifth most vulnerable in the country,
after New Orleans, the Florida Keys, Tampa in Florida and Galveston in
Texas, all targeted by hurricanes in the past two years. Max Mayfield,
director of the Center, told Congress that Katrina "will not be the
last major hurricane to hit a vulnerable area, and New Orleans is not
the only location vulnerable to a large disaster from a land-falling
hurricane".
Local experts say that such a catastrophe is "inevitable", and the New
York City authorities warn that it could bring a 30ft-high storm surge
crashing into Manhattan.
The city says at least a million New Yorkers are at risk, and has
drawn up plans to evacuate those within 10 blocks of the water. But
the city could have less warning than Texas or Louisiana, since
hurricanes move faster as they head northwards.
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| User: "St. John Smythe" |
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25 Sep 2005 05:40:02 PM |
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Strabo wrote:
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Once new and proper water control is in place, evacuations will
not be necessary.
Along the Mississippi/Alabama coast, most homes, businesses and
many towns were LEVELED. It will take several years for a cleanup
and rebuilding.
Do you see any inconsistency at all between those two paragraphs?
Why did you take the first out of context? It
refers to New Orleans.
I'll take that as a no. You don't find it the least bit bit odd that
while other Gulf coast towns were leveled, once "new and proper water
controls" are in place in New Orleans, evacuations there will not be
necessary?
That's probably not what you intended.
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St. John
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| User: "Strabo" |
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25 Sep 2005 06:03:21 PM |
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In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:40:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Once new and proper water control is in place, evacuations will
not be necessary.
Along the Mississippi/Alabama coast, most homes, businesses and
many towns were LEVELED. It will take several years for a cleanup
and rebuilding.
Do you see any inconsistency at all between those two paragraphs?
Why did you take the first out of context? It
refers to New Orleans.
I'll take that as a no. You don't find it the least bit bit odd that
while other Gulf coast towns were leveled, once "new and proper water
controls" are in place in New Orleans, evacuations there will not be
necessary?
That's probably not what you intended.
It is.
Evacuations are coordinated clusterfucks. The time,
expense and stress involved would seldom ever be worth it.
My goal is to preclude the need for evacuation.
There's a reason for the differences in damage. New Orleans
is much better protected than open coastline.
1. New Orleans is about about 70 miles from the gulf itself.
New Orleans is separated by wetlands and reefs that
absorb wind and wave energy.
2. With proper levees, dikes and diversion systems, storm
surges in New Orleans would not be an issue.
2. New building codes in the three states should set a
wind force with no residential damage goal of 165 mph.
Then there are concerns about handling the Mississippi River
flow that adversely effects New Orleans that could be resolved.
Wave breaks can also be constructed to protect other coastline
but I think that's another topic.
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| User: "Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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| Title: Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) |
25 Sep 2005 11:29:07 PM |
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The only solution for New Orleans is fill it in with silt & sand, and build
again upon that.
By the way the next hurricanes is going to worth and will flatten Florida
with 350 km/h wind. Of course the solution to curb Hurricanes exists and is
easy as to find the Great Sandy Desert immense richness ! See how easy it is
then.
I, will give it away for free, as a service to Humanity and to my American
friends.
Still there are some Mining Criminals such a Newmont, Newcrestn BHP and
Boral who will be behind bars before that happens.
.... and that deal will be worked out on the highest level, by Bush, Howard
and Gallop.... with as well Tyrwhitt and Thomson behind bars too after a
good flogging !!!
By the way, remember that bloody stupid Physics, Chemists & other
Relativitiezzzz Dudes :
BETTER ONE WHO KNOWS THAT TEN THOUSAND WHO SEARCH
--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Founder of the True Geology
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
"Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
ku9ej15qe9qo7hoemuu2tj8fje563gr75t@4ax.com...
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:40:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Once new and proper water control is in place, evacuations will
not be necessary.
Along the Mississippi/Alabama coast, most homes, businesses and
many towns were LEVELED. It will take several years for a cleanup
and rebuilding.
Do you see any inconsistency at all between those two paragraphs?
Why did you take the first out of context? It
refers to New Orleans.
I'll take that as a no. You don't find it the least bit bit odd that
while other Gulf coast towns were leveled, once "new and proper water
controls" are in place in New Orleans, evacuations there will not be
necessary?
That's probably not what you intended.
It is.
Evacuations are coordinated clusterfucks. The time,
expense and stress involved would seldom ever be worth it.
My goal is to preclude the need for evacuation.
There's a reason for the differences in damage. New Orleans
is much better protected than open coastline.
1. New Orleans is about about 70 miles from the gulf itself.
New Orleans is separated by wetlands and reefs that
absorb wind and wave energy.
2. With proper levees, dikes and diversion systems, storm
surges in New Orleans would not be an issue.
2. New building codes in the three states should set a
wind force with no residential damage goal of 165 mph.
Then there are concerns about handling the Mississippi River
flow that adversely effects New Orleans that could be resolved.
Wave breaks can also be constructed to protect other coastline
but I think that's another topic.
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| User: "Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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| Title: Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) |
25 Sep 2005 11:29:07 PM |
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The only solution for New Orleans is fill it in with silt & sand, and build
again upon that.
By the way the next hurricanes is going to worth and will flatten Florida
with 350 km/h wind. Of course the solution to curb Hurricanes exists and is
easy as to find the Great Sandy Desert immense richness ! See how easy it is
then.
I, will give it away for free, as a service to Humanity and to my American
friends.
Still there are some Mining Criminals such a Newmont, Newcrestn BHP and
Boral who will be behind bars before that happens.
.... and that deal will be worked out on the highest level, by Bush, Howard
and Gallop.... with as well Tyrwhitt and Thomson behind bars too after a
good flogging !!!
By the way, remember that bloody stupid Physics, Chemists & other
Relativitiezzzz Dudes :
BETTER ONE WHO KNOWS THAT TEN THOUSAND WHO SEARCH
--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Founder of the True Geology
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
"Strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
ku9ej15qe9qo7hoemuu2tj8fje563gr75t@4ax.com...
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:40:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Once new and proper water control is in place, evacuations will
not be necessary.
Along the Mississippi/Alabama coast, most homes, businesses and
many towns were LEVELED. It will take several years for a cleanup
and rebuilding.
Do you see any inconsistency at all between those two paragraphs?
Why did you take the first out of context? It
refers to New Orleans.
I'll take that as a no. You don't find it the least bit bit odd that
while other Gulf coast towns were leveled, once "new and proper water
controls" are in place in New Orleans, evacuations there will not be
necessary?
That's probably not what you intended.
It is.
Evacuations are coordinated clusterfucks. The time,
expense and stress involved would seldom ever be worth it.
My goal is to preclude the need for evacuation.
There's a reason for the differences in damage. New Orleans
is much better protected than open coastline.
1. New Orleans is about about 70 miles from the gulf itself.
New Orleans is separated by wetlands and reefs that
absorb wind and wave energy.
2. With proper levees, dikes and diversion systems, storm
surges in New Orleans would not be an issue.
2. New building codes in the three states should set a
wind force with no residential damage goal of 165 mph.
Then there are concerns about handling the Mississippi River
flow that adversely effects New Orleans that could be resolved.
Wave breaks can also be constructed to protect other coastline
but I think that's another topic.
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| User: "Moderate Mammal" |
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| Title: Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) |
25 Sep 2005 07:14:02 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:40:02 GMT, "St. John Smythe"
<UndisclosedRecipient@privacy.net> wrote:
Strabo wrote:
In Re: Experts warn New York: you could be next(Major
Hurricane/30FT StormSurge) on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:30:02 GMT, by
St. John Smythe, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Once new and proper water control is in place, evacuations will
not be necessary.
Along the Mississippi/Alabama coast, most homes, businesses and
many towns were LEVELED. It will take several years for a cleanup
and rebuilding.
Do you see any inconsistency at all between those two paragraphs?
Why did you take the first out of context? It
refers to New Orleans.
I'll take that as a no. You don't find it the least bit bit odd that
while other Gulf coast towns were leveled, once "new and proper water
controls" are in place in New Orleans, evacuations there will not be
necessary?
New Orleans is _not_ right on the coast but inland a considerable
number of miles. Therefore, areas along the coast even though above
sea level in most cases suffered catastrophic damage because of direct
and immediate storm surge. New Orleans although away from the coast
proper is surrounded by a lake, river and bay on three sides as well
as being below sea level. Therefore...if NO were above sea level or
had funtioning levees the amount of damage would have been negated
considerably juxtaposed with Gulfport or even Mobile for example.
http://maps.google.com/
When you play with the map one can clearly see the remarkable
difference between the locations of the cities. Anyway, this is the
current explanation given by climatologists in the US. Therefore, if
the levees functioned properly the damage would have been a dull roar.
OTOH, I would personally evacuate from New Orleans for a number of
reasons even if the new levees were build by technologically advanced
Alien Engineers from planet Vulcan. One reason is that New Orleans
didn't receive a direct hit from Katrina but rather the west
side..less severe part of the storm.
Keith
That's probably not what you intended.
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Fed up with illegal immigration?
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Forums to discuss news items of illegal immigration:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/listarticles.cgi?117
http://www.saveourstate.org
http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php
Indexes breaking news of illegal immigration:
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Other important links:
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http://numbersusa.com/index
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"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
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27 Sep 2005 11:52:36 PM |
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In misc.survivalism Moderate Mammal <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
I grabbed this gif below from a forum that was discussing the article.
Many were claiming the prediction is a bit 'chicken little' if you
will because the ocean temp. near NYC is just too cool to support a
category 3 or larger storm..hence weakening before landfall.
Let's hope so. From what I have seen (Brooklyn) "emergency
planning" for .nyc consists of a pamphlet that's a crib
from vs. m.s. posts (or related web-sites).
The city says at least a million New Yorkers are at risk, and has
drawn up plans to evacuate those within 10 blocks of the water. But
Prospect Park will be very crowded, that's all I can say.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm
Good site. Will look at the others.
--
but the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In... HST (1967)
when i got to the edge , i built a deck % (2005)
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| User: "pete" |
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28 Sep 2005 03:59:34 AM |
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Contrarian wrote:
In misc.survivalism Moderate Mammal
<BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
I grabbed this gif below from
a forum that was discussing the article.
Many were claiming the prediction is a bit 'chicken little' if you
will because the ocean temp. near NYC is just too cool to support a
category 3 or larger storm..hence weakening before landfall.
Let's hope so. From what I have seen (Brooklyn) "emergency
planning" for .nyc consists of a pamphlet that's a crib
from vs. m.s. posts (or related web-sites).
The city says at least a million New Yorkers are at risk, and has
drawn up plans to evacuate those within 10 blocks of the water. But
Prospect Park will be very crowded, that's all I can say.
That's only 8 blocks from the water.
--
pete
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