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"Mark Thorson" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:27:57 PM |
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Famous Scientists Who Died In The Holocaust |
Until recently, I couldn't name one famous scientist who
died in the Holocaust. In looking up information about
piezochemistry, I found one: Ernst Cohen.
His most famous contribution was the elucidation of the
mechanism of "tin pest". He also was president of IUPAC.
A Dutch Jew, he died in Auschwitz in 1944.
http://www.weizmann.ac.il/ICS/booklet/9/pdf/weintraub.pdf
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: Famous Scientists Who Died In The Holocaust |
26 Jan 2005 07:07:15 PM |
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"Mark Thorson" <nospam@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:41F7FD74.7CC8C462@sonic.net...
Until recently, I couldn't name one famous scientist who
died in the Holocaust. In looking up information about
piezochemistry, I found one: Ernst Cohen.
His most famous contribution was the elucidation of the
mechanism of "tin pest". He also was president of IUPAC.
A Dutch Jew, he died in Auschwitz in 1944.
http://www.weizmann.ac.il/ICS/booklet/9/pdf/weintraub.pdf
If Ernie was a famous scientist and he couldn't see the handwriting
on the wall that officially threatened him from ca 1933 on with the
declaration of the Nuremberg laws then he was a grand dumbshit.
What's your fascination with the Holocaust anyway? So, 6 million
died there. BUT that's ONLY 3% of the ~ 200 million victims that
got murdered in all genocides world-wide in the 20th century.
Yet the Holocaust industry keeps the focus alive only on the corpses
of their 6 million... for profits sake of course... The other 193 million
do neither matter nor deserve any mention. Don't they, Thorson?
Is it because you are one of these a profiteering, industrious,
august, moral and noble Holocaust industrialists, Thorson?
hanson
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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26 Jan 2005 07:22:37 PM |
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hanson wrote:
What's your fascination with the Holocaust anyway? So, 6 million
died there.
Over 12 million. Jews were not the only victims.
This does not include civillian casualties of Hitler's invasion of
Russia. Some 20 million died. Then there were the military casualties.
The Butcher's Bill for Hitler's doings probably totalled near to 40
million. Stalin, who was more of a butcher than Hitler arranged for even
more to die, some of them Russians, Chechnayans and Ukrainians.
BUT that's ONLY 3% of the ~ 200 million victims that
got murdered in all genocides world-wide in the 20th century.
Yet the Holocaust industry keeps the focus alive only on the corpses
of their 6 million
That is not true. Most people who remember the Holocaust also remember
the other victims plus the Armenians who were done in before WWI.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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27 Jan 2005 06:47:30 AM |
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it seems tha some people have some interest to obfuscate
the unique case about the jews (gypsyes as well but not in those
figures)
The jews were murdred in a DEATH FACTORY of gas chambers
something that no devil before invented!!
2 they were murdred *as a nation* ie no whatsoever a personal
acusation
just belonging to the jewish inferiour race!!
it inclused one and a half *children*
(you can see stockes of their shoose in Aushwitz)
the secret aim waas to anihilate them *completely from this world
Indians in Anerica were also mudered but mostly in a war of armed peole
in the holocost case they were unarmed civilians of those very
countries.
3 another case is of the Armenians by Turkey but 'only about 2
(millions)
i dont remenber the right number)
and still not in a death factory that was built expecially for
genocide.
with a special gas Cyclon B that was specially desined for that.
(in a 'decent famous chemistry factory'
parts of their corpses was recicled as 'goods'
like collecting their golden theeth clothes hair etc
all their properties was confiscated and actually robbed.
needd i go on with that ???
i can say it from first and second testimony since all my family from
my fathers side
were murderd there.
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| User: "the analyst" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:47:56 AM |
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On 27 Jan 2005 04:47:30 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*it seems tha some people have some interest to obfuscate
*the unique case about the jews (gypsyes as well but not in those
*figures)
there were 375k citizens of Poland (75k could be classified as
Catholics)murdered in Auschwitz, we do not know, howt he rest would
like to be classified. there were 340k Hungarians, mainly Jews,
Russians 25k, even smaller number of Gypsies and 70-80 homosexuals. I
am not sure, what was so special about Jews, but Poles, Russians and
others were killed during the war in significant numbers. If you ever
visit Warsaw, you will see places marked, where Germans killed (shot
dead) hundreds and thousands of Poles. Number of dead during the
Warsaw Uprising (200k) exceeds combined Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all in
63 days.
*
*The jews were murdred in a DEATH FACTORY of gas chambers
*something that no devil before invented!!
90% of Auschwitz victims were classified as Jews by Germans, no one
asked the victims.
*
*2 they were murdred *as a nation* ie no whatsoever a personal
*acusation
*just belonging to the jewish inferiour race!!
Slavs were listed as Untermensch as well, Poles and others were killed
for no reason as well.
*it inclused one and a half *children*
*(you can see stockes of their shoose in Aushwitz)
I visited Auschwitz three times, how many times did you?
*the secret aim waas to anihilate them *completely from this world
true, but the first killed in Auschwitz were Poles and Russians, Jews
had to wait one year.
*
*Indians in Anerica were also mudered but mostly in a war of armed peole
*in the holocost case they were unarmed civilians of those very
*countries.
sure, Indian women and children were spared atrocities...Yanks were
very kind people...
..as a matter of fact Poland lost 6 mln people, fifty fifty Catholics
and "Moses denomination".
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*3 another case is of the Armenians by Turkey but 'only about 2
*(millions)
Only? How many were they altogether?
*i dont remenber the right number)
*and still not in a death factory that was built expecially for
*genocide.
Does it matter? Is killing any different? Gas chamber, a bullet, a
noose, a shot in the back of a head, hunger and cold?
*with a special gas Cyclon B that was specially desined for that.
it was well known HCN
*(in a 'decent famous chemistry factory'
*parts of their corpses was recicled as 'goods'
*like collecting their golden theeth clothes hair etc
*all their properties was confiscated and actually robbed.
were German first and/or last? have you ever heard about russian
system of gulags?
*
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*needd i go on with that ???
*i can say it from first and second testimony since all my family from
*my fathers side
*were murderd there.
do you realise that some Jews are accused of war crimes as well?
Search for name Morel, wanted for crimes against humanity, living in
Israel. There were others serving in NKVD and MBP in Poland, not much
different to Nazis.
During WW2 20 mln of Russians, 6 mln of Poles lost lives, some of them
were Jewish, some other Jews were from other European countries.
However, only one group claims to be a center of persecution. What has
the world done about Africa, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Korea? How many
millions were killed after the WW2? Serbia, Montenegro, Chechenia,
Bosnia - any difference?
BTW, my granfather was killed by Germans too.
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*Y.Porat
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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29 Jan 2005 12:30:18 PM |
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I can guess tbgat you are of a Polish origine
no one is minimising the holocost of the Poles
ye the poles have an interst to obfuscate the holocost of the jewas
do you waht me to start an 'acount ' with you
we have a 'full belly ' against the poles that i didnt waht to mention
btw twards the ucrains as well
do you knoe where is aushcwitz is laocated:?
do you think it is accidental??
not at all
the Germans new the old hatred of Poles agianst the jews
so they cold bloodedly deavlish cinical located the death camps
in poland!!
they didnt locat it nore in france nor in the scandinavians countrie
why??
do you know that riots and killoings took place aginst jews in --
poland
much earlier before??
do uou know that many of the 'staf man in those deathcamps
where Poles and Ucrains if not ther e is news for you
do you know that even after the war riots against jews and masacre took
place??
do you know that untill this very moment even if they are jews
'that you can count them on one hand ' antisemitism still exists and
kickes??
do you know that one third of the jewish nation was externinated in
those
death camps?
now about acusing the russians
inded they lkilled masses of people but
it was not aimed to a nation as a nation
it was a political aimed ie against opposers of the reageem
the russians were those once who first liberated those death camps
it was not done by the Poles
now do you thing that westwrn counries are free of any guit??
i was here in Israel while the British were sending back to europ
ships of refugees survivers of the holocost!!
they closeed fo rthose refugees not only thisr own country gate
but the gate of the only country in the worled that partially belonges
to the jews why ????
because the arabs that had thier hands on the petrol
demanded it from them (fronm the british)
and the hell with those survivers!!
i could go on with it
yet it is not a sympathic job to go on it i smuch nicer to talk about
nice thigs
now you mentioned that yor granfather was murdered by the nazies
in my caase it was not lust one
inmay case it was *all the family from my fathers side*
that actually affeted our private life you can immagine how
how is it to grow up without a ny backing from a family!!
so i think enough with it
just to remember that such a holocost should never happen again.
and tell about it to the young generation.
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| User: "the analyst" |
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29 Jan 2005 05:41:32 PM |
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1. Zyklon B was invented by prof Fritz Haber, a JEW. Blame him.
2. Prof Haber can be considered as a precursor of chemical warfare as
he was instrumental in the first use of chlorine and mustard gas
during WW1. For that he was a war criminal.
3. There was no Holocaust of Poles, it is Jewish invention. Poles
fought Germans, Poles were sent to concentration camps, to factories
and farm in Germany as slave workers. Poland lost 6 mln of their
citizens, of ALL religious denominations.
4. Poles do not deny special interest of Nazis in extermination of
Jews. When you visit Poland you will find many places comemorating -
Warsaw Ghetto, camps in Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka, etc. All that
paid by Poles.
5. There is no Polish anti-semitism. It happens in France, Germany,
USA, Russia and probably any country in the world, including israel.
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6. It is well known, that some jews hate Poles, Ukrainians, Germans,
you name it, blaming them for bad weather, low income, ..
7. Auschwitz was located BEFORE Jews were sent there. The first 30
inmates were German criminals used as Kapo. Next were Polish political
prisoners and Russion POWs. One of them was father of the Ukrainian
President. Jews were NOT the first and the only victims of German
atrocities.
8. For centuries Poland let Jews to settle, because other countries
(England, Spain) kicked them out.
9. There were 6 mln Jews in Poland in 1939. If Poles were so bad, why
did not Jews move to less hostile environment? Do you realise, how
much Jews contributed to the Polish culture? It happened because there
was acceptance for their work.
10. Jews were killed by Germans in camps located on Poland, which was
occupied by Germans. The camps were GERMAN!! Manned by Germans, in the
name of German Third Reich. For Germans it was more convenient to
locate them close to the main Jewish population - Poland, Ukraine,
Hungary. It was safer too, far from west European countries.
11. If it was accidental or not, ask Herr Himmler, he was responsible
for The Final Solution.
12. You offend thousands of Poles that helped Jews during the war.
Poland was the only country, where helping Jews attracted death
penalty for a person, the family and often the whole village. Yet many
of Poles helped. Go to Jerusalem and check, how many trees are planted
to comemorate Poles.
13. You mention France. Well France was actively co-operating with
Germans. French Jews were in Auschwitz thanks to Germans/French, not
Poles. There was smaller number, so it was easier to transport them to
Auschwitz, rather than 3 mln from Poland, Ukraine or Hungary to the
West.
14. Scandinavia - Sweden was neutral, Norway collaborated with
Germany, Denmark was ocupied. As above - it was easier to kill Jews on
spot. Poles DID NOT take part in killings, Poles were victims as well.
15. What riots and killing are you talking about? You are
halucinating, or you are talking about pogroms in Russia.
WHY did Jews settled in Poland, not in France, Scandinavia, England,
Spain, Italy, USA????????????
16. All camps were manned by Germans. Some functions were done by
criminals. Inmates were used as slave workers. Jews were amongst them.
Do you know that Jewish police helped to send Jews from ghetto in
Warsaw?
17. Anti-jewish excesses after WW2 were organised by communist secret
police. Anti-jewish action in 1968 was organised by the communist
party, and was directed against many Jews being prominent party
aparatchik, it was internal struggle for power between many groups
within communist party.
18. You have no clue, you are ill informed. There are thousands of
Jews in Poland, and many more that prefer to be called Poles. Some of
them were prominent in the government, like prof. Geremek, former
Foreign Affairs Minister. As far as I know, there are Jewish schools,
Jewish synagogs there. Once a year there is Jewish Culture Festival in
Cracow. very polpular amongst Poles. Books written by Jewish authors
are often published in Polish. The most popular daily in warsaw has a
Jew as an editor-in-chief, and most of the staff is Jewish.
19. Your lack of knowledge is breath taking. Stalin was bigger war
criminal than Hitler. Russians liberated Poland because they were
closer than Americans. They liberated Auschwitz on the way to Berlin,
to win the war, not because Jews were murdered. Historically, Jews
were better off in Poland than in Russia. WHy NOW, thousands of Jews
leave Russia and settle in Germany? More than settle in Israel. Why
Jews in Poland do not migrate now?
20. It was Polish underground Home Army that alerted Allies about mass
killings of Jews. It was POlish officer who volunteered to go to
Auschwitz and reported back. Polish officer, as a courier, went to
Washington and London. Poles provided plans of death camps. None of
Allies did antything, and American Jews were not much better. Poles
could not liberated Auschwitz because Poland was occupied by Germans.
However, Polish inteligence network was the best in occupied
countries. Poles provided information about Enigma, about new weapons
(V1 and V2), about death camps.
21. Again, Poland gave shelter to Jews for over 800 years. Some became
filthy rich. Some remained orthodox, some preffered to be regarded as
Poles. There were many, many poor Jews too. But they lived there for
centuries not perturbed.
22. Finaly, not only my grandfather was killed by Germans. My grand
dad had a factory and did a lot of business with Jews, he spoke
Yidish. He had many friends - Jews. His sister VOLUNTARILY accompanied
a Jewish family to the death camp. She loved them, and they loved her.
At least one of them survived war and settled probably in Israel.
Please, take time and read some books, stop propagating this stupid
nonsense. Hatred is dripping from your post. You are blind and deaf.
Well, if you want improve that world, start from your own country. You
have some problems there, time to find a solution that is acceptable
to all the interested parties, not just Jewish State.
On 29 Jan 2005 10:30:18 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*I can guess tbgat you are of a Polish origine
*no one is minimising the holocost of the Poles
*ye the poles have an interst to obfuscate the holocost of the jewas
*do you waht me to start an 'acount ' with you
*we have a 'full belly ' against the poles that i didnt waht to mention
*btw twards the ucrains as well
*do you knoe where is aushcwitz is laocated:?
*do you think it is accidental??
*not at all
*the Germans new the old hatred of Poles agianst the jews
*so they cold bloodedly deavlish cinical located the death camps
*in poland!!
*they didnt locat it nore in france nor in the scandinavians countrie
*why??
*do you know that riots and killoings took place aginst jews in --
*poland
*much earlier before??
*do uou know that many of the 'staf man in those deathcamps
*where Poles and Ucrains if not ther e is news for you
*do you know that even after the war riots against jews and masacre took
*place??
*do you know that untill this very moment even if they are jews
*'that you can count them on one hand ' antisemitism still exists and
*kickes??
*do you know that one third of the jewish nation was externinated in
*those
*death camps?
*now about acusing the russians
*inded they lkilled masses of people but
*it was not aimed to a nation as a nation
*it was a political aimed ie against opposers of the reageem
*the russians were those once who first liberated those death camps
*it was not done by the Poles
*now do you thing that westwrn counries are free of any guit??
*i was here in Israel while the British were sending back to europ
*ships of refugees survivers of the holocost!!
*they closeed fo rthose refugees not only thisr own country gate
*but the gate of the only country in the worled that partially belonges
*to the jews why ????
*because the arabs that had thier hands on the petrol
*demanded it from them (fronm the british)
*and the hell with those survivers!!
*i could go on with it
*yet it is not a sympathic job to go on it i smuch nicer to talk about
*nice thigs
*now you mentioned that yor granfather was murdered by the nazies
*in my caase it was not lust one
*inmay case it was *all the family from my fathers side*
*that actually affeted our private life you can immagine how
*how is it to grow up without a ny backing from a family!!
*so i think enough with it
*just to remember that such a holocost should never happen again.
*and tell about it to the young generation.
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*Y.Porat
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29 Jan 2005 11:29:29 PM |
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ok
i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
2 i have no interest in doing it just here.
3 i sayed right at the beginning: no one whant to diminish that tragedy
that ww2 inflicted on poland
moreover Poland was alwqay a victimm of being
'squashed between the bigg empiers
rusia ans germany
i know it all well
i know as well the history of Jews who were chaised out
from s;pain because of christian hostility
thjough they contributed a lot there
the jews where actually invited to imigrate to Poland
by ther rulres because Pland then was pooly populated
and the Jews of that time were considered as
being able to contribute to the advance of that counrty
and actually they did much of it
i know as well that many of them turned later to be
'excuse me the tern but it only me who is a jew who is entitled to day
that: so some of them turned to become
parasites but it cannot be sayed sweepingly.
yet that is not a crime justifying death at a gas chamber
indiscriminately
not to mension the 1.5 million children.
i didnt hear about 1.5 Polish children that were gased in the Gas
chambers.
now my personal complaint against some not all poles is the
BETRIAL
i it is just because of the long partmership beween poles and Jews
that some of that betrial is so hurting
they didnt do what the Danish people did in saving their jews
they didnt do what the Bulgarians did telling to the Germans
we are not alowing you to toush our jews
soo manty of them cooperated with the nazies
too many of them benefited very quickly by setling in the dead jews
real estate etc
yuet i know not less thn you that thee where pious Poles that endagerd
ther life to save jews but that was the exception to the rule
we apreciate those people by comemorrating them in forest
nad other memorials
so in shrt
the disaster of the poles and other nations i snot a reason to diminish
the holocost of Jews
and again
the main point is to remember and see that nothing like that
will never happen again
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| User: "hanson" |
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30 Jan 2005 09:09:19 AM |
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"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1107062969.498258.230080@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
... in shrt the disaster of the poles and other nations
i snot a reason to diminish the holocost of Jews
and again the main point is to
remember and see that nothing like that
will never happen again
Y.Porat
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[hanson]
Yehiel, your wish is understandable but your wishing that
it will never happen again is unfortunately sheer lunacy.
Just to mention a few... since the Jewish Holocaust there
were genocides of equal & *bigger* scale in Hindu-Muslim
E/W Pakistan, in Mao's China, Idi Amin's Uganda, Biafra,
Pot Pol's Cambodia, Rwanda, etc., and like said earlier in
this thread, during the 20th century some **200 million**
people were murdered in genocides. That makes the
6 million **Jews a mere 3% of the victims**, but Jews do
make 97% of the noise about it with their Holocaust industry
still busily profiteering 60 years later over corpses and from
the misery of their murdered kin folk. ....
So, it appears that remembering seems to fuel genocide and
prove that it works *profitably*... Be careful what you wish
for & what you honor, for above shows that the bastards who
tell you that "if you don't remember history you will be condemned
to repeat it" are full of *****, since the record shows exactly the
opposite:
"If you remember history you will see that genocide pays. Big time."
Yehiel, I didn't make this world. I only have dance in this fucking
place. So, old friend Yehiel take care and L'CHAIM!
hanson
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| User: "analyst" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:43:49 AM |
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On 29 Jan 2005 21:29:29 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*ok
*i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
neither in quality
*1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
it is not a sin
*2 i have no interest in doing it just here.
do wherever you wish, later flush
*
*3 i sayed right at the beginning: no one whant to diminish that tragedy
*that ww2 inflicted on poland
*moreover Poland was alwqay a victimm of being
*'squashed between the bigg empiers
*rusia ans germany
you are wrong again, Poland was the second power in Europe! Together
with Lithuania and Ukraine it was quite large country. just few weeks
ago Russian prezident Putin declared the new national day - an
anniversary of kicking Poles out of Kremlin! Isn't it lovely? Polish
border was some 80 km from Moscow, at least in the past
Germany were united by Bismark in 19 century, before there was a group
of many principalities, kingdoms, free city-states. Poland was
partinioned because of stupidity and corruption of some
"aristocrats"and shity gentry.
*i know it all well
no, you are an uneducated kolhoznik
(for unfamiliar kolhoz=kibutz, and means collective farm)
*i know as well the history of Jews who were chaised out
*from s;pain because of christian hostility
*thjough they contributed a lot there
*the jews where actually invited to imigrate to Poland
yes, they sent few Jambo Jets and rolled red carpet
*by ther rulres because Pland then was pooly populated
*and the Jews of that time were considered as
*being able to contribute to the advance of that counrty
*and actually they did much of it
*i know as well that many of them turned later to be
*'excuse me the tern but it only me who is a jew who is entitled to day
*that: so some of them turned to become
*parasites but it cannot be sayed sweepingly.
I thing Poles know how to procreate, without jewish contribution,
there is 38 mln in Poland, 12 mln in US, some in Canada, Europe,
Australia, even in Israel.
What is Jewish population, pal? Maybe you need some help? You need to
stand against milions of Arabs, which have quite remarcable ability to
....
*yet that is not a crime justifying death at a gas chamber
*indiscriminately
*not to mension the 1.5 million children.
noone is justifying death in gas chamber, regardless of age, sex,
sexual preferences, profession, political beliefs...
it applies universally to ALL people, not just one small ethnic group
*i didnt hear about 1.5 Polish children that were gased in the Gas
*chambers.
no, they were shot dead, they were thrown against a wall, they were
placed in orphanages to convert them into pure Germans, because they
had blond hair and blue eyes,
How many milions of African children is dying every year due to
hunger, illnesess, wars,.... what have you done to help them???
*now my personal complaint against some not all poles is the
*BETRIAL
why you expect Poles to help Jews, when they had to fight for their
own life and freedom? Poland was abandoned by France and GB in
September 39, Poland was invided by Russians on 17 September 39,
without even declaration of war! The Polish government in exile was
told to shut up, when Gernans revealed 20000 corpses of Polish
officers murdered by NKVD on a personal order from Uncle Joe.
Poland was the only country with death penalty for helping Jews. Even
though, thousands of Jews found help and shelter.
What your f..ing cousins from USA did to help your own people? Bugger
nothing.
*i it is just because of the long partmership beween poles and Jews
*that some of that betrial is so hurting
they were neibours not partners, there is Polish saying - love each
other like a brother, but do business like Jews.
Poles did not betried Jews, they did as much as possible. However,
there was a significant number of Jews working for a secret police
after the war. they are guilty of torture and death of many Poles,
particularly members of Home Army.
*they didnt do what the Danish people did in saving their jews
*they didnt do what the Bulgarians did telling to the Germans
you are completely brainwashed
*we are not alowing you to toush our jews
and what happened to Italy, when Mussolini refused to obey German
orders? Jews in Rumania and few other countries survived because
Germans did not bother to get them,
*soo manty of them cooperated with the nazies
yes French government in Vichy, Quisling in Norway, some shitty pupet
governments in Central Europe.
Poland NEVER collaborated with Germans, any individual found guilty
was shot, prostitutes and even no prostitutes going out with Germans
had their hair cut, sometimes shot.
*too many of them benefited very quickly by setling in the dead jews
*real estate etc
all good property, Jewish and Polish was taken by and for Germans.
taking Jewish property? you want us to believe, Germans would let it
happen?
*yuet i know not less thn you that thee where pious Poles that endagerd
*ther life to save jews but that was the exception to the rule
have you been there? have you seen Poles during WW2? Poles were just
one step above, the next to be killed, or turned into a slave worker.
Germans run occupied Poland with TERROR! For one killed German, they
would shot or hang ten or a hundred of Poles rounded on a street,
taken from a tram, or from a house. If one Jew was founf in the
countryside, not only harbouring family was shot but the whole village
was set alight.
*we apreciate those people by comemorrating them in forest
it's very kind of you
*nad other memorials
*so in shrt
*the disaster of the poles and other nations i snot a reason to diminish
*
*the holocost of Jews
*and again
*the main point is to remember and see that nothing like that
*will never happen again
we should temeber ALL fallen, not just some.
Finally, how many Jews in USA and GB and other countries took part as
combatants against Germans during WW2? How many were in RAF? How many
in army or navy? There were millions of Jews in USA, many in
Palestine. How many volunteered to join and help liberate Auschwitz,
Birkenau, treblinka, Belzec, Oranienburg, Matthausen, Dahau?
What you did to help yourselves?
One uprising in 1943, when everything was already lost. And even then,
your Jewish police served your German masters well.
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*Y.Porat
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31 Jan 2005 02:05:41 AM |
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analyst wrote:
On 29 Jan 2005 21:29:29 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*ok
*i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
neither in quality
*1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
it is not a sin
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here is a slogan i invenetd just now:
'Never argue with a proud Polak'
you have no chance to say the last word!(not any word at all
he will be *absolutely* right all laong)
anyway thats why i am not going on anymore with you
if you like we can discuss physics
yet concidering your lofty(arrogant) Ego i am not suere it can lead to
something
productive
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have agood time
Y.Porat
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01 Feb 2005 02:12:48 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 00:05:41 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*
*analyst wrote:
*> On 29 Jan 2005 21:29:29 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*>
*> *ok
*> *i am not goint to compete with you about quantity of writing
*>
*> neither in quality
*>
*> *1 becauase i am not a genuine English writer
*>
*> it is not a sin
*----------------------
*here is a slogan i invenetd just now:
why don't you just open a gesheft? You are pretty good in that.
*
*'Never argue with a proud Polak'
you are just one step to call me Polack, a derogatory term. if you
struggle to write in English, then use correct word - a Pole. When you
write in Polish you can say Polak. I did not call you names, even
though there is plenty for your likes. It is not matter of pride, it
just gives me a ***** when some halfwit with no brain nor education
propagates some worst anti-polish propaganda invented by some pround
sons of David.
When you have no argument, then shut up and concentrate on physics.
Modern history is not your brightes virtue. You sound like a Russian
Jew full of complexes.
If you get some time, find a library, it is such a place to borrow
books. Recommend reading - For Your Freedom and Ours - by Lynne Olson
and Stanley Cloud.
If it is too much for you, just read one chapter - "The Cold-Blooded
Murder of a Nation".
*
*you have no chance to say the last word!(not any word at all
*he will be *absolutely* right all laong)
you said too many words, without any sense. you are mumbling some crap
and expect to be taken seriously, what a mistake.
*
*anyway thats why i am not going on anymore with you
you should be grateful, that someone paid attention to you and your
waffling.
*
*if you like we can discuss physics
thanks, I am not physicist, I avoid making fool of myself.
*yet concidering your lofty(arrogant) Ego i am not suere it can lead to
*something
*productive
meshugene
*-------------
*have agood time
*Y.Porat
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*>
*>
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01 Feb 2005 11:02:57 AM |
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NWA
Y.Porat
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| User: "Borek" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:09:34 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 00:05:41 -0800, Y.Porat <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
here is a slogan i invenetd just now:
'Never argue with a proud Polak'
You are accusing us of racism and antisemitism, being racist and
antipolonist yourself.
Borek
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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31 Jan 2005 10:29:22 AM |
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Borek wrote:
You are accusing us of racism and antisemitism, being racist and
antipolonist yourself.
Prior to the German/Soviet destruction of Poland, about five percent of
the population were first rate intellects. Poland is the home of some of
the greatest logicians that ever lived. But the other ninetyfive
percent? Bullyocks who got drunk guzzling plum brandy from a wooden
shoe. Slivovitz was aqua vita for many non-sober Poles.
In the countryside the main industry was pogroms.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "analyst" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:38:58 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:29:22 -0500, "robert j. kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:
*
*
*Borek wrote:
*
*>
*> You are accusing us of racism and antisemitism, being racist and
*> antipolonist yourself.
*
*Prior to the German/Soviet destruction of Poland, about five percent of
*the population were first rate intellects. Poland is the home of some of
*the greatest logicians that ever lived. But the other ninetyfive
*percent? Bullyocks who got drunk guzzling plum brandy from a wooden
*shoe. Slivovitz was aqua vita for many non-sober Poles.
*
*In the countryside the main industry was pogroms.
*
*Bob Kolker
Bob,
most of vodka in Poland was made of potatoe, sometimes rye, Slivovic
is mainly Bulgarian and Yugoslav. Grozdova rakiya is made of grapes,
slivova rakiya - plums. Poles prefer other vodkas - Bison Brandy,
Jarzebiak, Chopin, Goldwasser, plus some cognac, whiski, gin. But
there is no better think than cold rye vodka,
5% with intelect? you are talking USA? It is true, Poles abuse
alcohol, same as Ruskies. Finns, Swedes are not much better. If you
want to see a real alcohol abuse-see Australian Aboryginee.
each country has its elite and its low lives. There is no difference
amongst all the countries. But before Poles get drunk, you would be
dead of excessive drinking, so a little plus for Poles.
Anyway, you presented us with yet another simplistic view of quite
complex nation, not too bad, not too good. Just like others. Show me
those smart ones????? President Bush perharps? Or that lovely chap
from paris? or Moscow? maybe Windsors from London?
Sometime ago that fuckwit fron CNN told a Polish joke. to his
surprise, the device to detect land mines was invented by Polish
military. and it works!!!
it is not very good idea to use stereotypes, should we say yanks are
erotomaniacs, crooks, blood-thirsty ultra-orthodox-Catholics, nuts
growers?
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:29:02 AM |
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lets finish with it !!
di dyou noticed what we did here?!!
we a 'bloody Jew' and a aporak are breaking their heads
while the real devils the Nazis are rubbing their hands with
satisfaction
while we withopur own hands are diverting the main point from the real
devils
and obfuscating the main moral that should be learned!!
(it was the old Roman system to rule their empier it was
'dividum et empera' remember??
so please dont let it go in that direction anymore !!
all th ebest
Y.Porat
ps i am not a racist i appreciate very much Madam Curiie (:-)...
and some other great Polish scintists.or any great scintist
nop matter what is orrigine is .and *decent people* as well
no matter what is their orrigine !!
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| User: "analyst" |
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01 Feb 2005 02:21:07 AM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 02:29:02 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*lets finish with it !!
*di dyou noticed what we did here?!!
*
*we a 'bloody Jew' and a aporak are breaking their heads
*while the real devils the Nazis are rubbing their hands with
*satisfaction
hey, there are no nazi'anymore!!! Those were Germans!!!
*while we withopur own hands are diverting the main point from the real
*devils
like what? annexation of Palestine? Holocaust industry?
*and obfuscating the main moral that should be learned!!
you have been already told, Jews were not the only ones suffering.
From 1914 millions of people were killed for no reason. It continues.
*(it was the old Roman system to rule their empier it was
*'dividum et empera' remember??
I do understand the term, but fail to see the point? who is making
such division, and between what or whom?
*so please dont let it go in that direction anymore !!
*all th ebest
*Y.Porat
*ps i am not a racist i appreciate very much Madam Curiie (:-)...
Maria Sklodowska-Curie must be really proud now (in Polish custom,
maiden name comes first, husband's comes the second).
*and some other great Polish scintists.or any great scintist
*nop matter what is orrigine is .and *decent people* as well
*no matter what is their orrigine !!
count me as one of decent ones, together we make one and a half.
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| User: "Borek" |
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29 Jan 2005 05:32:36 PM |
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On 29 Jan 2005 10:30:18 -0800, Y.Porat <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
do you knoe where is aushcwitz is laocated:?
do you think it is accidental??
not at all
the Germans new the old hatred of Poles agianst the jews
so they cold bloodedly deavlish cinical located the death camps
in poland!!
You are making more factual mistakes and stupid accusations then
spelling errors.
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| User: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" |
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29 Jan 2005 07:42:38 PM |
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the analyst wrote:
On 27 Jan 2005 04:47:30 -0800, "Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote:
*it seems tha some people have some interest to obfuscate
*the unique case about the jews (gypsyes as well but not in those
*figures)
there were 375k citizens of Poland (75k could be classified as
Catholics)murdered in Auschwitz, we do not know, howt he rest would
like to be classified. there were 340k Hungarians, mainly Jews,
Russians 25k, even smaller number of Gypsies and 70-80 homosexuals. I
am not sure, what was so special about Jews, but Poles, Russians and
others were killed during the war in significant numbers. If you ever
visit Warsaw, you will see places marked, where Germans killed (shot
dead) hundreds and thousands of Poles. Number of dead during the
Warsaw Uprising (200k) exceeds combined Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all in
63 days.
*
*The jews were murdred in a DEATH FACTORY of gas chambers
*something that no devil before invented!!
Which is something of a tribute to ordinary Germans.
Hitler would not have had to do it industrially and in semi-secrecy if ordinary
Germans were like (say) the Hutu ie willing to pick up a machete and go round
and hack their neighbours to death.
--
Dirk
The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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27 Jan 2005 08:37:20 AM |
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Y.Porat wrote:
3 another case is of the Armenians by Turkey but 'only about 2
(millions)
i dont remenber the right number)
and still not in a death factory that was built expecially for
genocide.
with a special gas Cyclon B that was specially desined for that.
(in a 'decent famous chemistry factory'
parts of their corpses was recicled as 'goods'
like collecting their golden theeth clothes hair etc
all their properties was confiscated and actually robbed.
There is an interesting nexus between the Armenian Massacre and the
Holocaust. Hitler was asked to consider the consequences of his policy
of extermination. He asked what consequences flowed from the Armenian
Massacre. The answer was none and the rest is history. Had the world
done something about Turkey or to Turkey in 1915 there might never have
been a Holocaust.
Bob Kolker
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26 Jan 2005 06:37:08 PM |
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| User: "muha" |
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27 Jan 2005 05:31:18 PM |
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Fritz Haber died in a concentration camp because of his race.
He was a patriot - he was first to suggest to Keiser during WWI use of
chlorine and mustard gas. Most famously, he developed a practical
synthesis of ammonia from elements during WWI which kept german
ammunition factories running after natural nitrates from Chile became
embargoed.
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| User: "Mark Thorson" |
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27 Jan 2005 09:04:37 PM |
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muha wrote:
Fritz Haber died in a concentration camp because of his race.
Not true. Although he was a Jew, he died in 1935,
and not because of being a Jew.
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/chemistry/institutes/1992/Haber.html
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| User: "hanson" |
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28 Jan 2005 06:38:58 PM |
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"Mark Thorson" <nospam@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:41F9ABEE.172FA848@sonic.net...
muha wrote:
Fritz Haber died in a concentration camp because of his race.
[Mark]
Not true. Although he was a Jew, he died in 1935,
and not because of being a Jew.
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/chemistry/institutes/1992/Haber.html
[hanson]
Like Muha said: "he was first to suggest to use during WWI Cl2 & mustard gas"
And, in addition, to complete his records and to make the full cycle of irony:
"Zyklon B was originally developed in the 1920s by Fritz Haber, a German Jew"
who was forced to emigrate in 1934: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B
and "Zyclone B gas was a much cheaper way to kill off the Jews" in the KZ's:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/worth.html .......
..... literally: == What comes around goes around == .... which precipitates
the ominous question as to whether that type of phenomenon will repeat
itself again in the same fashion with nukes....????
hanson
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| User: "the analyst" |
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26 Jan 2005 07:36:08 PM |
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can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:27:57 GMT, Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
wrote:
*Until recently, I couldn't name one famous scientist who
*died in the Holocaust. In looking up information about
*piezochemistry, I found one: Ernst Cohen.
*
*His most famous contribution was the elucidation of the
*mechanism of "tin pest". He also was president of IUPAC.
*A Dutch Jew, he died in Auschwitz in 1944.
*
*http://www.weizmann.ac.il/ICS/booklet/9/pdf/weintraub.pdf
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| User: "Borek" |
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27 Jan 2005 05:01:11 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:36:08 GMT, the analyst <unlisted@due2spam.on.net>
wrote:
can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
So called Sonderaktion Krakau.
http://www3.uj.edu.pl/alma/alma/64/01/03.html
in Polish only. Scroll down for a full list.
However, worse happened later with proffessors of Lwów University.
This time to avoid troubles and protests Germans killed all at once.
In Krakow they have been moved to concentration camps and due to public
opinion at least some of them were later released.
In both cases nationality played no role. Actions were pointed against
Polish intellectuals.
Best,
Borek
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| User: "the analyst" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:12:04 AM |
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I know that, my post was meant for the originator of the thread. Some
people still believe, that only one group was subject to
extermination.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:11 +0100, Borek
<borek@parts.bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:
*On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:36:08 GMT, the analyst <unlisted@due2spam.on.net>
*wrote:
*
*> can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
*> Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
*
*So called Sonderaktion Krakau.
*
*http://www3.uj.edu.pl/alma/alma/64/01/03.html
*
*in Polish only. Scroll down for a full list.
*
*However, worse happened later with proffessors of Lwów University.
*This time to avoid troubles and protests Germans killed all at once.
*
*In Krakow they have been moved to concentration camps and due to public
*opinion at least some of them were later released.
*
*In both cases nationality played no role. Actions were pointed against
*Polish intellectuals.
*
*Best,
*Borek
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| User: "Brian G. Moore" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:19:55 AM |
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Where is Uncle Al in this thread? Aren't you also a Holocaust
debunker?
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:12:04 GMT, the analyst
<unlisted@due2spam.on.net> wrote:
I know that, my post was meant for the originator of the thread. Some
people still believe, that only one group was subject to
extermination.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:11 +0100, Borek
<borek@parts.bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:
*On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:36:08 GMT, the analyst <unlisted@due2spam.on.net>
*wrote:
*
*> can you name any of the professors of the Jagiellonian University in
*> Cracow, murdered by Germans well before the Final Solution started?
*
*So called Sonderaktion Krakau.
*
*http://www3.uj.edu.pl/alma/alma/64/01/03.html
*
*in Polish only. Scroll down for a full list.
*
*However, worse happened later with proffessors of Lwów University.
*This time to avoid troubles and protests Germans killed all at once.
*
*In Krakow they have been moved to concentration camps and due to public
*opinion at least some of them were later released.
*
*In both cases nationality played no role. Actions were pointed against
*Polish intellectuals.
*
*Best,
*Borek
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