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"Strange Creature" |
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20 Jan 2008 11:00:25 PM |
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Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
Question: What is the general
belief of the physics community
concerning the emission of
a gravitational force from Fermions
and Bosons.
This is not a question of whether
they are affected by gravity. Clearly
both are affected.
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
Is the general consensus that
Fermions-only will generate a
gravitational force inward towards
the Fermion, which affects both
Fermions and Bosons?
Is it the general consensus that
both Fermions and Bosons will
generate a gravitational force,
that then affects both Fermions and
Bosons?
Or is it the general consensus that
this is unknown and undecided?
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
22 Jan 2008 01:24:04 PM |
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On Jan 21, 12:00=A0am, Strange Creature <strangecreatu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Question: =A0What is the general
belief of the physics community
concerning the emission of
a gravitational force from Fermions
and Bosons.
This is not a question of whether
they are affected by gravity. =A0Clearly
both are affected.
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
Is the general consensus that
Fermions-only will generate a
gravitational force inward towards
the Fermion, which affects both
Fermions and Bosons?
Is it the general consensus that
both Fermions and Bosons will
generate a gravitational force,
that then affects both Fermions and
Bosons?
Or is it the general consensus that
this is unknown and undecided?
The general consensus is that anything that has mass has a
gravitational field. Period.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
22 Jan 2008 09:50:10 PM |
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Igor wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:00 am, Strange Creature <strangecreatu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Question: What is the general
belief of the physics community
concerning the emission of
a gravitational force from Fermions
and Bosons.
This is not a question of whether
they are affected by gravity. Clearly
both are affected.
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
Is the general consensus that
Fermions-only will generate a
gravitational force inward towards
the Fermion, which affects both
Fermions and Bosons?
Is it the general consensus that
both Fermions and Bosons will
generate a gravitational force,
that then affects both Fermions and
Bosons?
Or is it the general consensus that
this is unknown and undecided?
The general consensus is that anything that has mass has a
gravitational field. Period.
Ask a bunch of people on the street and they will come
to general consensus that there is a god.
The measurement data shows that mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
21 Jan 2008 11:35:27 AM |
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Strange Creature wrote:
Question: What is the general
belief of the physics community
concerning the emission of
a gravitational force from Fermions
and Bosons.
This is not a question of whether
they are affected by gravity. Clearly
both are affected.
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
Is the general consensus that
Fermions-only will generate a
gravitational force inward towards
the Fermion, which affects both
Fermions and Bosons?
Is it the general consensus that
both Fermions and Bosons will
generate a gravitational force,
that then affects both Fermions and
Bosons?
Or is it the general consensus that
this is unknown and undecided?
All mass is anonymous and fungible by composition. Look in the
literature for a collection of photons sufficient to gravitationally
self-bind.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
20 Jan 2008 11:10:11 PM |
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Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
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| User: "Strange Creature" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
21 Jan 2008 06:13:38 AM |
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On Jan 20, 9:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
So it is considered a given that light will
generate a gravitational force, as well
as be bent by it. (?.)
This then produces an even more
speculative question. In a theoretical
closed universe scenario, it is sometimes
speculated that a universe will 'collapse'
upon itself, then rebound and form
a new big bang.
What is supposed to be generating
the ability to form a rebound in
such scenarios? Is there supposed
to be some point within a 'cosmic
crunch' where the ability to generate
gravity breaks down? If so, why
don't supermassive black holes
explode?
The basic question is this: Is
there any possiblity that current
theory might predict that the
big bang could not hapen, because
the universe would not be able to
overcome the gravitational force
that was exerted by the universe,
upon itself, during its initial formation?
Is a suspension of gravity required
for a 'big bang' to happen, or is it
well established that under current
knowledge of gravity, in relation to
the matter and energy conditions
near to the big bang, that a universe
can be easily established without it
contracting into a singularity before
it ever forms?
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| User: "ESKI" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
22 Jan 2008 08:07:46 PM |
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On Jan 21, 6:13=A0am, Strange Creature <strangecreatu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
=A0 =A0All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
So it is considered a given that light will
generate a gravitational force, as well
as be bent by it. (?.)
This then produces an even more
speculative question. =A0In a theoretical
closed universe scenario, it is sometimes
speculated that a universe will 'collapse'
upon itself, then rebound and form
a new big bang.
What is supposed to be generating
the ability to form a rebound in
such scenarios? =A0Is there supposed
to be some point within a 'cosmic
crunch' where the ability to generate
gravity breaks down? =A0If so, why
don't supermassiveblackholes
explode?
Thebasicquestion is this: Is
there any possiblity that current
theory might predict that the
big bang could not hapen, because
the universe would not be able to
overcome the gravitational force
that was exerted by the universe,
upon itself, during its initial formation?
Is a suspension of gravity required
for a 'big bang' to happen, or is it
well established that under current
knowledge of gravity, in relation to
the matter and energy conditions
near to the big bang, that a universe
can be easily established without it
contracting into a singularity before
it ever forms?
There is at least a possibllity that we do indeed exist in side of
some sort of pulsating entity which periodically will revert to and
through some basic unit or space. One such unit or space is the
entity, hole, or whatever it is, which can be characterized by
dividing Planck's Constant by the speed of light and then taking the
sqare root of the resulting "constant." This operation defines
something or other which has a mass and a radius equivalent in
absolute values of centimeters and grams of (h/r)^0.5 which can be
considered the center or parent of a "family" defined by the set,
{mass times radius equals h/c}. No, I'm not sure what this all means
but one can go from there with this set to define vortex particles and
entities including everything from an electron to a "parent of the
electron and anti-electron" to the universe itself as rotating vortex
particles defined by the above set. Remember that in the above set
the absolute values ascribed to radius and mass are interchangable and
the pairs can be either a positive pair or a negative pair as can be
the square roots of the (h/c)^0.5 unit.
I figured that Planck's constant and the speed of light are
constants of nature and took a look at what happened one evaluated the
situation for Planck's constant as associated with entities rotating
with a "orbital velocity" at their "rim" of the speed of
light.....Have fun with this if yiu can. DLS
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
21 Jan 2008 11:40:39 AM |
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Strange Creature wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
So it is considered a given that light will
generate a gravitational force, as well
as be bent by it. (?.)
This then produces an even more
speculative question. In a theoretical
closed universe scenario, it is sometimes
speculated that a universe will 'collapse'
upon itself, then rebound and form
a new big bang.
The data (multiple independent sources) indicate a
one way expansion.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| User: "Strange Creature" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
21 Jan 2008 02:52:33 PM |
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On Jan 21, 9:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
So it is considered a given that light will
generate a gravitational force, as well
as be bent by it. (?.)
This then produces an even more
speculative question. In a theoretical
closed universe scenario, it is sometimes
speculated that a universe will 'collapse'
upon itself, then rebound and form
a new big bang.
The data (multiple independent sources) indicate a
one way expansion.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
Has there been any speculation on
the source of the matter-energy at the big bang?
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Fermions, Bosons, and gravity. |
21 Jan 2008 03:03:56 PM |
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Strange Creature wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:40 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:10 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
Strange Creature wrote:
The question is wheather both
Bosons and Fermions generate
gravity, or if only Fermions generate
gravity.
All mass and energy warp space-time... gravitation.
So it is considered a given that light will
generate a gravitational force, as well
as be bent by it. (?.)
This then produces an even more
speculative question. In a theoretical
closed universe scenario, it is sometimes
speculated that a universe will 'collapse'
upon itself, then rebound and form
a new big bang.
The data (multiple independent sources) indicate a
one way expansion.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
Has there been any speculation on
the source of the matter-energy at the big bang?
Inflation
Negative gravitational potential
Alan Guth
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