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22 Apr 2007 09:10:34 AM |
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forms of radiation |
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: forms of radiation |
22 Apr 2007 09:46:55 AM |
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message =
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What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
=20
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
This should suit your needs:=20
=20
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.=20
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of energy =
"kinetic".
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| User: "Andrea Croci" |
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22 Apr 2007 01:49:26 PM |
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message
news:1tqm2310l7h7or76q32hpdp5a263s8u7hn@4ax.com...
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
This should suit your needs:
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of energy
"kinetic".
Well, the kind of work you are talking about here sounds much like what the
Mafia calls "washing you dirty clothes". ;-)
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: forms of radiation |
22 Apr 2007 02:05:23 PM |
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"Andrea Croci" <andrea.croci@studio.unibo.it> wrote in message =
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zzKWh.77249$ne6.75350@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message
news:1tqm2310l7h7or76q32hpdp5a263s8u7hn@4ax.com...
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable =
devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
=20
This should suit your needs:
=20
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of =
energy
"kinetic".
=20
Well, the kind of work you are talking about here sounds much like =
what the
Mafia calls "washing you dirty clothes". ;-)
=20
Is a pencil responsible for grammatical errors?
The guy wants to move some energy 50 yards, that's the easy way.=20
If you want it moved across an ocean, there is always this easy way out:
http://www.tangischools.org/schools/phs/think/man/tibbets.jpg
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| User: "Andrea Croci" |
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23 Apr 2007 01:33:01 PM |
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Andrea Croci" <andrea.croci@studio.unibo.it> wrote in message
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message
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What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
This should suit your needs:
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of energy
"kinetic".
Well, the kind of work you are talking about here sounds much like what
the
Mafia calls "washing you dirty clothes". ;-)
Is a pencil responsible for grammatical errors?
The guy wants to move some energy 50 yards, that's the easy way.
If you want it moved across an ocean, there is always this easy way out:
http://www.tangischools.org/schools/phs/think/man/tibbets.jpg
Well, this was a little less fun.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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23 Apr 2007 03:54:07 PM |
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"Andrea Croci" <andrea.croci@studio.unibo.it> wrote in message =
news:f0iu7c$vhf$1@online.de...
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Andrea Croci" <andrea.croci@studio.unibo.it> wrote in message
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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message
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What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles =
created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable =
devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can =
be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
This should suit your needs:
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of =
energy
"kinetic".
Well, the kind of work you are talking about here sounds much like =
what
the
Mafia calls "washing you dirty clothes". ;-)
Is a pencil responsible for grammatical errors?
The guy wants to move some energy 50 yards, that's the easy way.
If you want it moved across an ocean, there is always this easy way =
out:
http://www.tangischools.org/schools/phs/think/man/tibbets.jpg
=20
Well, this was a little less fun.
=20
In an interview from 1965, Oppenheimer describes the initial reactions =
as the fruit of their labors, the very first nuclear bomb (the Hiroshima =
bomb was the second one), detonated early in the morning of July 16, =
1945:=20
=20
We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed... A few =
people cried... Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the =
Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the =
prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him takes on his =
multi-armed form, and says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of =
worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.=20
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| User: "Ben newsam" |
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22 Apr 2007 02:29:06 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:49:26 +0200, "Andrea Croci"
<andrea.croci@studio.unibo.it> wrote:
<let@it.snow> wrote in message
news:1tqm2310l7h7or76q32hpdp5a263s8u7hn@4ax.com...
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
This should suit your needs:
http://www.great-lakes.org/graphics-2/Smith&Wesson/170257a.jpg,
which does an excellent job of doing work on a body fifty yards away.
After all, energy is the ability to do work. We call this kind of energy
"kinetic".
On a slightly different tack, here's a source of energy that it
wouldn't be too hard to lob about fifty yards...
http://hilaroad.com/camp/projects/lemon/lemmon_battery_labels.jpg
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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22 Apr 2007 09:18:41 AM |
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wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
See: http://www.google.com/search?q=forms+of+radiation+weapons
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| User: "" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:42:17 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:18:41 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
let@it.snow wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
See: http://www.google.com/search?q=forms+of+radiation+weapons
"Radio and television signals, radar, heat, infrared and ultraviolet
radiation, sunlight, starlight, gamma rays, cosmic rays, and X rays
are all forms of electromagnetic radiation (ER)."
My question really is, what forms of radiation exist other than
electromagnetic, other than sonic/ultrasonic, and nuclear radiation
(alpha/beta/gamma)? Such radiation would need to survive about thirty
yards in the Earth's atmosphere.
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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23 Apr 2007 11:31:27 AM |
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<let@it.snow> wrote in message news:0vjp23ligjtppd582sd4acuavdnbcc1e6a@4ax.com...
"Radio and television signals, radar, heat, infrared and ultraviolet
radiation, sunlight, starlight, gamma rays, cosmic rays, and X rays
are all forms of electromagnetic radiation (ER)."
My question really is, what forms of radiation exist other than
electromagnetic, other than sonic/ultrasonic, and nuclear radiation
(alpha/beta/gamma)? Such radiation would need to survive about thirty
yards in the Earth's atmosphere.
You've got only so many fundamental forces to work with:
- Electromagnetism - photons
- Weak nuclear (unifies with electromagnetism) - W+, W-, Z
- Strong nuclear - Gluons
- Gravitation - Gravitons (maybe)
Anything else is just throwing fermions around.
http://filer.case.edu/sjr16/advanced/extras_particlephys.html
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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23 Apr 2007 02:00:39 PM |
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On Apr 23, 9:31 am, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
You've got only so many fundamental forces to work with:
One's got nothing, illiterate.
- Electromagnetism - photons
- Weak nuclear (unifies with electromagnetism) - W+, W-, Z
- Strong nuclear - Gluons
- Gravitation - Gravitons (maybe)
Weak and strong are not fundamental. http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+New-Model
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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23 Apr 2007 02:50:45 PM |
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"Autymn D. C." <lysdexia@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1177354839.054430.36330@b58g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 23, 9:31 am, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
You've got only so many fundamental forces to work with:
One's got nothing, illiterate.
- Electromagnetism - photons
- Weak nuclear (unifies with electromagnetism) - W+, W-, Z
- Strong nuclear - Gluons
- Gravitation - Gravitons (maybe)
Weak and strong are not fundamental. http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+New-Model
Autymn's useless crank blather. Not even worth
the Google processing time. Gathering it one
large stinking heap does not make it any more
valuable, nor any less fragrant.
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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28 Apr 2007 09:23:58 PM |
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On Apr 23, 12:50 pm, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
Autymn's useless crank blather. Not even worth
the Google processing time. Gathering it one
large stinking heap does not make it any more
valuable, nor any less fragrant.
Prove it, *****.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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29 Apr 2007 04:03:26 PM |
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In article <1177813438.820316.321220@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Autymn D. C." <lysdexia@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:50 pm, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
Autymn's useless crank blather. Not even worth
the Google processing time. Gathering it one
large stinking heap does not make it any more
valuable, nor any less fragrant.
Prove it, *****.
You just did, freak.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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01 May 2007 07:25:38 AM |
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On Apr 29, 2:03 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <1177813438.820316.321...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:50 pm, "Greg Neill" <gneill...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
Autymn's useless crank blather. Not even worth
the Google processing time. Gathering it one
large stinking heap does not make it any more
valuable, nor any less fragrant.
Prove it, *****.
You just did, freak.
did not, obscurant
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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23 Apr 2007 11:43:23 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:18:41 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
See: http://www.google.com/search?q=forms+of+radiation+weapons
"Radio and television signals, radar, heat, infrared and ultraviolet
radiation, sunlight, starlight, gamma rays, cosmic rays, and X rays
are all forms of electromagnetic radiation (ER)."
My question really is, what forms of radiation exist other than
electromagnetic, other than sonic/ultrasonic, and nuclear radiation
(alpha/beta/gamma)? Such radiation would need to survive about thirty
yards in the Earth's atmosphere.
See: http://www.google.com/search?q=low+frequency+sonic+weapons
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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23 Apr 2007 11:29:33 AM |
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On Apr 23, 11:42 am, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:18:41 GMT, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com>
wrote:
wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
See:http://www.google.com/search?q=forms+of+radiation+weapons
"Radio and television signals, radar, heat, infrared and ultraviolet
radiation, sunlight, starlight, gamma rays, cosmic rays, and X rays
are all forms of electromagnetic radiation (ER)."
That isn't quite correct. Cosmic rays are massive particles, not
electromagnetic radiation. According to NASA's website,
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/cosmic.html, they consist of
atomic nuclei of various species. According to the Wiki entry
these nuclei are 90% protons and 9% helium nuclei.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray.
I got the impression from the NASA website that there were
significant numbers of heavier nuclei also, but I didn't find details
in my quick scan of that link.
My question really is, what forms of radiation exist other than
electromagnetic, other than sonic/ultrasonic, and nuclear radiation
(alpha/beta/gamma)? Such radiation would need to survive about thirty
yards in the Earth's atmosphere.
You've pretty much covered it: particles with mass (nuclear radiation)
and particles without mass (EM radiation). Under particles, I
suppose you could include particle beams as a separate
category (involving a particle accelerator). Under sonic energy, you
might consider shock waves such as sonic booms as a particular
form.
- Randy
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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23 Apr 2007 01:59:43 PM |
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On Apr 23, 9:29 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've pretty much covered it: particles with mass (nuclear radiation)
and particles without mass (EM radiation). Under particles, I
What particula hav no mass? There are waves without mass.
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| User: "Randy Poe" |
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23 Apr 2007 04:26:50 PM |
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On Apr 23, 2:59 pm, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Apr 23, 9:29 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've pretty much covered it: particles with mass (nuclear radiation)
and particles without mass (EM radiation). Under particles, I
What particula hav no mass?
In the Standard Model, photons.
Possibly the graviton as well, if it exists.
- Randy
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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28 Apr 2007 06:55:26 PM |
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On Apr 23, 2:26 pm, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 2:59 pm, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Apr 23, 9:29 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've pretty much covered it: particles with mass (nuclear radiation)
and particles without mass (EM radiation). Under particles, I
What particula hav no mass?
In the Standard Model, photons.
Possibly the graviton as well, if it exists.
Enerjy quanta, bosons, are not particula. They are divisions of waves.
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| User: "" |
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22 Apr 2007 03:07:23 PM |
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In article <1tqm2310l7h7or76q32hpdp5a263s8u7hn@4ax.com>, writes:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
Throw a rock.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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23 Apr 2007 02:11:30 PM |
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On Apr 22, 7:10 am, wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
http://google.com/groups?q=3DAutymn+radiations
You want one in the here and now, or one in the future? and why do you
want one? Dark matter comes from anywhere (neutrinos, axi=F2ns,
glueballs) doesn't dissipare as it goes throuh matter. If you havn't
any, you could go neutr=F2ns: http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_source.
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| User: "PD" |
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24 Apr 2007 11:06:48 AM |
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On Apr 22, 9:10 am, wrote:
What forms of radiation exist, which can be created by a reasonably
transportable device? I am not looking for esoteric particles created
by CERN. Ultrasonic waves, various forms of electromagnetic energy,
light, radio waves, these can all be created by transportable devices.
So can magnetic energy. What other forms of energy exist which can be
thus created?
As you can guess, I'm not a physicist, and the question is probably
quite simple. I am looking for a source of energy you could throw
about fifty yards and would not dissipate over that distance.
You have your choice:
1) Disturbances that rely on the medium between points A and B.
2) Disturbances or projectiles that don't rely on the medium between
points A and B.
It is important that you choose a vehicle that will deposit energy in
the target, rather than just passing unimpeded through the target.
This last part is really the trick, not the delivery vehicle.
For (1), you have at least two media that you can work with: air and
earth (or water).
You can send either sound waves or shock waves through either one.
Focussing will help mitigate dissipation.
For (2), you have your choice of atomic particles, subatomic fermions,
or subatomic bosons.
Examples of the first are rocks, bullets, water cannons, ion guns,
itching powder, nerve gas cannisters.
Examples of the second are proton beams and beta particle beams
(though there will be significant attenuation in air).
Examples of the third are gamma rays, microwaves, lasers, UV beams, IR
beams, X-rays (all of which are electromagnetic interactions). You
could also send gravitons, but no one knows enough about them to
generate a beam of them. Gluons and weak bosons don't have the range
you need.
PD
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