FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006



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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Michael Varney"
Date: 03 Jan 2006 11:53:06 PM
Object: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006
I was reading an article in CNN about the percentage of overweight and
obese people in the good old USA. The pundits and experts agree that 65%
of Americans are overweight, and 30% are obese.
---- Start Fermi Problem ----
If you were to liposuction the excess fat off of Americans, estimate how
much you would get.
If you could burn the fat for energy, for how long could you power an
average home?
---- End Fermi Problem ----
The radical Muslims could now say: "Kill all Americans, and burn them
for power!"
---
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sense and some basic physics and math skills. Sometimes even less!
Post comments and discuss solutions at:
http://fermiproblemoftheday.blogspot.org
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User: "Andy Resnick"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 04 Jan 2006 08:19:22 AM
Michael Varney wrote:

I was reading an article in CNN about the percentage of overweight and
obese people in the good old USA. The pundits and experts agree that 65%
of Americans are overweight, and 30% are obese.

Those numbers seem high- more than one standard deviation of the
population is defined as obese- but in any case, healthy people have
5-10% body fat, and obese people are defined as over 30% body fat. Let
the average healthy weight of an adult be 80 kg.


---- Start Fermi Problem ----

If you were to liposuction the excess fat off of Americans, estimate how
much you would get.

80 million Americans each have more than 25 kg fat, another 80 million
have around 15 kg fat. This is an excess of 15 kg each for 160 million
Americans, over the healthy amount of body fat. This is 2.5*10^9 kg
excess fat to be liposuctioned by very busy and well-compensated MDs.


If you could burn the fat for energy, for how long could you power an
average home?

Fat has 9 kcal/gram of energy. 2.5*10^9 kg of fat is about 2*10^13 kcal
or 9.5*10^16 J of energy. The US used 100*10^18 J of energy in 2002,
therefore burning all the excess fat off our bodies would power the US
for about 1 day.


---- End Fermi Problem ----

The radical Muslims could now say: "Kill all Americans, and burn them
for power!"

--
Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
Case Western Reserve University
.
User: "Phil Holman piholmanc@yourservice"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 04 Jan 2006 08:39:07 PM
"Andy Resnick" <andy.resnick@op.case.edu> wrote in message
news:dpglhf$pa7$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu...

Michael Varney wrote:

I was reading an article in CNN about the percentage of overweight
and
obese people in the good old USA. The pundits and experts agree that
65%
of Americans are overweight, and 30% are obese.


Those numbers seem high- more than one standard deviation of the
population is defined as obese- but in any case, healthy people have
5-10% body fat,

Elite endurance athletes have 5-10% body fat. They may be fit but you
don't call these healthy do you?
Phil H
.
User: "Andy Resnick"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 05 Jan 2006 08:10:50 AM
Phil Holman wrote:

"Andy Resnick" <andy.resnick@op.case.edu> wrote in message
news:dpglhf$pa7$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu...

Michael Varney wrote:


I was reading an article in CNN about the percentage of overweight
and
obese people in the good old USA. The pundits and experts agree that
65%
of Americans are overweight, and 30% are obese.


Those numbers seem high- more than one standard deviation of the
population is defined as obese- but in any case, healthy people have
5-10% body fat,



Elite endurance athletes have 5-10% body fat. They may be fit but you
don't call these healthy do you?

More healthy than I, certainly. But fair enough, I stand corrected on
what constitutes 'acceptable' body fat: (From the AMA guidelines)
Fat Level Men (%) Women (%)
Very Low 7-10 14-17
Low 10-13 17-20
Average 13-17 20-27
High 17-25 27-31
Very High above 25 above 31
Also, to be fair, it's not clear (to me, anyway) what the best
quantitative measure of 'health' is.
--
Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
Case Western Reserve University
.
User: "Robert Low"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 05 Jan 2006 08:47:56 AM
Andy Resnick wrote:

what constitutes 'acceptable' body fat: (From the AMA guidelines)
Fat Level Men (%) Women (%)
Very Low 7-10 14-17
Low 10-13 17-20
Average 13-17 20-27
High 17-25 27-31
Very High above 25 above 31

Shouldn't this vary considerably with age?
.



User: "Jan Panteltje"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 04 Jan 2006 08:41:38 AM
On a sunny day (Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:19:22 -0500) it happened Andy Resnick
<andy.resnick@op.case.edu> wrote in <dpglhf$pa7$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>:

Michael Varney wrote:

I was reading an article in CNN about the percentage of overweight and
obese people in the good old USA. The pundits and experts agree that 65%
of Americans are overweight, and 30% are obese.


Those numbers seem high- more than one standard deviation of the
population is defined as obese- but in any case, healthy people have
5-10% body fat, and obese people are defined as over 30% body fat. Let
the average healthy weight of an adult be 80 kg.


---- Start Fermi Problem ----

If you were to liposuction the excess fat off of Americans, estimate how
much you would get.


80 million Americans each have more than 25 kg fat, another 80 million
have around 15 kg fat. This is an excess of 15 kg each for 160 million
Americans, over the healthy amount of body fat. This is 2.5*10^9 kg
excess fat to be liposuctioned by very busy and well-compensated MDs.


If you could burn the fat for energy, for how long could you power an
average home?


Fat has 9 kcal/gram of energy. 2.5*10^9 kg of fat is about 2*10^13 kcal
or 9.5*10^16 J of energy. The US used 100*10^18 J of energy in 2002,
therefore burning all the excess fat off our bodies would power the US
for about 1 day.

Should convert that mass to energy, would power the world for a long time.
We need a simple mass-to-energy converter Eeeh=ehm.say^2.
.


User: "Timo Nieminen"

Title: Re: FPOTD # 6, Fat of the Land (PC) 1/2/2006 04 Jan 2006 02:19:24 AM
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Michael Varney wrote:

If you were to liposuction the excess fat off of Americans, estimate how
much you would get.

At about 20kg per American, and 250e6 Americans, that's about 5e9 kg of
fat.

If you could burn the fat for energy, for how long could you power an
average home?

About the same as you'd get from 5e9 kg of diesel as an OOM guess.
--
Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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