"Scott Nudds" <void@void.com> wrote in message

When do the Republicans plan to pay back the 8.2 trillion they have
borrowed in their effort to impoverish the AmeriKKKan people?

"Tom" <askpermission@comcast.net> wrote

You pay it back. You're the one with all the free energy.

How like a Republican deadbeat to refuse to pay his own bills, and then
try to rope a third party into doing so.

Why not answer the question Tom?

Looking backward, at some point it seems to me there will
always be an unanswerable question, where science must end
and faith begin. Right now the unanswerable question seems
to be, "Why are we here?"

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:57:39 -0500, "Scott Nudds"
<void@void.com> wrote:

"Bill Ward" wrote

Where do you think the ZPE field came from?

That depends on how you define time.

I am more interested in knowing where it does come from for as space
increases in volume, the ZPE field should decrease in magnitude and with
it
the various coupling constants that characterize the strength of
interactions between elementary particles. But these have not been
observed
to change substantively over the last 10 billion years or so, while the
volume of space has apparently increased greatly.

If so then if the energy content per square cemtimeter has remained the
same, where has the additional energy come from?

You probably meant per cubic centimeter, didn't you?

There is some speculation that it is an ongoing process in which energy is
leaking in from some alternate universe and that we are part of a larger
encompasing set of universes called a multiverse.

Then where did that come from? Is it turtles all the way
down?

I think it more likely that the evaporative threshold for the ZPE field
decreases over time so that energy is always available for mediating
interactions.

I am also partial to considering space as static and in which scales of
length are constantly contracting to give the illusion of expansion and
recession with distance.

Relative to what?

In any case, one major problem that I have never seen addressed is the
issue
of the permittivity of free space in a very compact, dense volume. Even
with
the standard model, as you run it back in time, energy densities increase,
altering the permittivity of free space, and slowing the speed of light.
As
densities go infinite, c goes to zero, and when c is reduced the rate of
flow of time is also reduced.

Don't the g, weak, EM, and strong forces all merge as you go
back in time to the energies and densities near the Big
Bang?

And what does the "rate of flow of time" mean? Compared to
what? Some sort of absolute or meta-time?

So as the universe becomes more compact, it's compactification slows
relative to our rate of flow of time. So depending on your defintiion of
time, the universe can be both infinite in age or finite. Asking where ZPE
comes from therefore depends on ones' defintion of time. If one
considers
local time, then there is no answer since there is no beginning.

Given the constraint that there is no outside to our universe, it seems to
me that this is the answer to your question.

I was half kidding, thanks for your thoughtful response.

Looking backward, at some point it seems to me there will
always be an unanswerable question, where science must end
and faith begin. Right now the unanswerable question seems
to be, "Why are we here?"

There is some speculation that it is an ongoing process in which energy

leaking in from some alternate universe and that we are part of a larger
encompasing set of universes called a multiverse.

Then where did that come from? Is it turtles all the way
down?

I think it more likely that the evaporative threshold for the ZPE field
decreases over time so that energy is always available for mediating
interactions.

I am also partial to considering space as static and in which scales of
length are constantly contracting to give the illusion of expansion and
recession with distance.

Relative to what?

In any case, one major problem that I have never seen addressed is the

of the permittivity of free space in a very compact, dense volume. Even

the standard model, as you run it back in time, energy densities

altering the permittivity of free space, and slowing the speed of light.

densities go infinite, c goes to zero, and when c is reduced the rate of
flow of time is also reduced.

Don't the g, weak, EM, and strong forces all merge as you go
back in time to the energies and densities near the Big
Bang?

And what does the "rate of flow of time" mean? Compared to
what? Some sort of absolute or meta-time?

Given the constraint that there is no outside to our universe, it seems

me that this is the answer to your question.

I was half kidding, thanks for your thoughtful response.

Looking backward, at some point it seems to me there will
always be an unanswerable question, where science must end
and faith begin. Right now the unanswerable question seems
to be, "Why are we here?"

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:57:39 -0500, "Scott Nudds"
<void@void.com> wrote:

"Bill Ward" wrote

Where do you think the ZPE field came from?

That depends on how you define time.

I am more interested in knowing where it does come from for as space
increases in volume, the ZPE field should decrease in magnitude and with it
the various coupling constants that characterize the strength of
interactions between elementary particles. But these have not been observed
to change substantively over the last 10 billion years or so, while the
volume of space has apparently increased greatly.

If so then if the energy content per square cemtimeter has remained the
same, where has the additional energy come from?

You probably meant per cubic centimeter, didn't you?

There is some speculation that it is an ongoing process in which energy is
leaking in from some alternate universe and that we are part of a larger
encompasing set of universes called a multiverse.

Then where did that come from? Is it turtles all the way
down?

I think it more likely that the evaporative threshold for the ZPE field
decreases over time so that energy is always available for mediating
interactions.

I am also partial to considering space as static and in which scales of
length are constantly contracting to give the illusion of expansion and
recession with distance.

Relative to what?

In any case, one major problem that I have never seen addressed is the issue
of the permittivity of free space in a very compact, dense volume. Even with
the standard model, as you run it back in time, energy densities increase,
altering the permittivity of free space, and slowing the speed of light. As
densities go infinite, c goes to zero, and when c is reduced the rate of
flow of time is also reduced.

Don't the g, weak, EM, and strong forces all merge as you go
back in time to the energies and densities near the Big
Bang?