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Free energy can power the world |
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
excerpt guardiabn.co.uk
These men think they're about to change the world
Heard the one about the two Irishmen who say they can produce
limitless amounts of clean, free energy? Plenty of scientists have -
but few are taking them seriously. Steve Boggan investigates
Friday August 25, 2006
The Guardian
Do you remember that awful feeling as a child on Christmas Day when
Santa left you the toy you wanted . . . without any batteries? This
feeling comes to me as I meet Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe, two
men making the claim that they are about to change the world - for
ever.
These dynamic and personable businessmen from Dublin insist that they
have found a way of producing free, clean and limitless energy out of
thin air. And they are so confident that they have thrown down the
gauntlet to the scientific community in a bid to prove that they have
rewritten the laws of physics. Last week, frustrated that they
couldn't persuade scientists to take their work seriously, McCarthy,
Walshe and the other 28 shareholders of Steorn, a privately owned
technology research company, took out a full-page advertisement in the
Economist. In it, they called upon scientists to form a 12-member jury
to decide whether their free-energy system is real, hoaxed, imagined
or incorrectly well-intentioned.
So, as they prepare to demonstrate this wonder of science to me at
their modest offices near the Liffey, I feel all the excitement of
Christmas Day. There is a test rig with wheels and cogs and four
magnets meticulously aligned so as to create the maximum tension
between their fields and one other magnet fixed to a point opposite. A
motor rotates the wheel bearing the magnets and a computer takes
28,000 measurements a second. The magnets, naturally, act upon one
another. And when it is all over, the computer tells us that almost
three times the amount of energy has come out of the system as went
in. In fact, this piece of equipment is 285% efficient.
That's a lot of "free energy" and, supposedly, a slap in the face for
one of physics' most basic laws, the principle of conservation of
energy: in an isolated system (the planet, say), energy can be neither
created nor destroyed; it can only be converted from one form into
another.
"We couldn't believe it at first, either," says McCarthy, chief
executive of the company. He is a 40-year-old engineer born in
Birmingham but brought up in Dublin. After a couple of decades in the
oil industry, McCarthy, Walshe and two others set up Steorn as a
technology and intellectual-property development company. "We did
difficult things. If someone had an idea that they wanted to make
work, we'd work on it with them, help them recruit staff and get them
through to their first product."
Then, by chance, came their "discovery". They were called upon by the
police to help gain forensic evidence against "skimmers" who cloned
the cards of people using ATMs. Subsequently, when banks approached
asking how they could prevent such fraud, Steorn advised that the best
way was to catch the small number of people committing most of the
crime. They came up with a system of 16 tiny CCTV cameras that could
guarantee recording the identities of the perpetrators.
"We wanted the cameras to be independently powered, so we tried out
small solar and ambient wind generators," says McCarthy. "We wanted to
improve the performance of the wind generators - they were only about
60-70% efficient - so we experimented with certain generator
configurations and then one day one of our guys [co-founder Mike Daly]
came in and said: 'We have a problem. We appear to be getting out more
than we're putting in.'"
That was three years ago. Since then, McCarthy says, the company has
spent £2.7m developing the technology. Steorn has also gone into
partnership with a European micro-generator company to develop
prototypes.
In Steorn's theory, fixed magnets could act upon a moving magnet in
such a way as to make it a virtual perpetual motion generator. In an
electrical appliance - a computer, kettle, mobile phone or toy - that
would provide all the power for its lifetime. Of course, free-energy
cars, power plants and water-pumping systems could follow. A better
world indeed.
But then that Christmas Day feeling kicks in; doubts about the power
source. According to McCarthy and Walshe, the marketing manager, there
have been no fewer than eight independent validations of their work
conducted by electrical engineers and academics "with multiple PhDs"
from world-class universities. But none of them will talk to me, even
off the record. I am promised a diagram explaining how the system
works, but then Steorn holds it back, saying its lawyers are concerned
about intellectual property rights. And that European partner, the one
with the moving, almost perpetual, prototypes? It won't talk to me
either and Steorn has undertaken not to name it.
"It's the Pons-Fleischmann factor," says McCarthy, and he and Walshe
look at each other darkly. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann were
the last experts to excite the scientific community with free-energy
claims when, in 1989, they reported producing a nuclear-fusion
reaction at room temperature - what happens in the sun at millions of
degrees centigrade. The subsequent controversy resulted in the
scientists being pilloried, even though the scientific community
remains divided to this day over claims of "low-energy nuclear
reactions".
"No one in the scientific community wants to become embroiled in the
kind of controversy that Pons and Fleishmann faced," says McCarthy.
"With our challenge, we're hoping to provide a respectable public
platform for serious evaluation of the technology. Then, perhaps,
scientists will feel confident enough to challenge the conventional
view."
Certainly, the Steorn team seems genuine and well-intentioned. Walshe
says that if the technology is accepted it will be licensed to
manufacturers, but given away to electrical and water projects in
developing countries. And, until their claims have been assessed by
the jury, McCarthy says they won't be accepting any investor offers.
So if this is a hoax, it would appear not to be a money-making scheme;
Walshe says the Economist ad alone cost £75,000.
"Before we went public, we realised that if we're wrong it could have
a very adverse effect on our business, so we're not doing this
lightly," says McCarthy. "We expected stick, and we're getting it
already. We've had a lot of abusive emails and telephone calls -people
telling us to watch our backs, that sort of thing. Someone even
published my home address on a website."
The conspiracy theorists are, indeed, having a field day in a forum
section set up by the company on its website, www.steorn.com.
"We've been accused of being a publicity stunt for the next Microsoft
Xbox gaming system because some of the artwork on our website was
similar to theirs," says Walshe. "Some people have said our offices
don't exist and one accused us of simply being a call centre in
Australia because one of our telephonists has an Australian accent. My
favourite is the one that says we are a CIA or oil-industry front
intended to discredit research into free and clean energy. In other
words, our claims are deliberately false and when they are found out
to be, it will be a blow for all free and clean research."
Steorn says it has seven patents pending on its technology, though it
is difficult to see what can be patented; magnets already exist and so
do the 360 degrees of a circle. Yet it is the positioning of the
magnets that seems to be at the heart of this "new" energy. And, as
McCarthy points out, the Patent Office rejects inventions that fly in
the face of such fundamental principles as, say, the conservation of
energy. Nevertheless, as of yesterday, almost 3,000 people claiming to
be scientists had expressed an interest in sitting on the Steorn jury.
The 12 best will be chosen at the end of the month and then testing
will begin.
"We've been advised it could take between a week and 10 years," says
McCarthy. "We don't have any doubts. We've conducted meticulous
research and we're getting such phenomenal results - up to 400%
efficiency - that small glitches and errors in testing can be ruled
out. We really believe we've found something that can change the
world."
The rest of us can only wait and see. In the meantime, I ask Martin
Fleischmann, the cold-fusion scientist, now 79 and retired, what he
thought of the Steorn project.
"I am actually a conventional scientist," he says, "but I do accept
that the existing [quantum electro-dynamic] paradigm is not adequate.
If what these men are saying turns out to be true, that would be proof
that the paradigm was inadequate and we would have to come up with
some new theory. But I don't think their claims are credible. No, I
cannot see how the position of magnetic fields allows one to create
energy."
With great charm, Dr Fleischmann wishes the Steorn team luck. And if
their "free" energy can light up a developing-world village or the
eyes of a child with a toy, then perhaps we all should.
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25 Aug 2006 08:44:34 PM |
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"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:44ef9df7.792609@news.clara.net...
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
excerpt guardiabn.co.uk
These men think they're about to change the world
Heard the one about the two Irishmen who say they can produce
limitless amounts of clean, free energy?
In India, they plan to use 12 rats in circular cages to power bicycles
Taxis.
This will put most of the intelligence in India into the Taxi business, and
also get the rats off their behinds and working in real jobs.
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| User: "daestrom" |
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26 Aug 2006 01:19:21 PM |
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"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:44ef9df7.792609@news.clara.net...
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
excerpt guardiabn.co.uk
These men think they're about to change the world
Heard the one about the two Irishmen who say they can produce
limitless amounts of clean, free energy?
Sounds like the opening line of a bad joke...
Plenty of scientists have -
but few are taking them seriously. Steve Boggan investigates
The age-old accepted test for such device is simple. Take the output and
connect it to the motor, then disconnect all other input to the device.
Record how long the machine runs using its own power as its sole source of
input. If it lasts a day, I'd at least be mildly interested in hearing
more.
Surely these tow 'Irishmen' have heard of such a test. Why don't they
publish the results of *that* test? Because it fails??
Taking measurements 28,000 times a second sounds impressive to the naive,
but taking the wrong measurements 28,000 times doesn't make them the right
measurements.
daestrom
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| User: "CWatters" |
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26 Aug 2006 12:30:42 PM |
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I love the vote on their web site...
"Do you think the scientific community should accept our challenge?" Vote:
Current voting..
Yes: 35%
No: 65%
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25 Aug 2006 08:55:02 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
There is no energy to sell.
If any of this had even the slightest chance of working, they would
be fighting off potential investors with baseball bats and would be
filthy rich in short order.
You are an idiot.
<snip free energy babble>
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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25 Aug 2006 11:07:30 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
There is no energy to sell.
If any of this had even the slightest chance of working, they would
be fighting off potential investors with baseball bats and would be
filthy rich in short order.
" And thus, despite their claims to the contrary on their website, it's
pseudoscience. They don't have to have a theory for it to be science — in fact,
it's clear that they don't — but that doesn't matter. Build a box. Show it
working. That's enough. Hans Christian Ørsted showed electromagnetism in 1820
and it wasn't fully explained until James Clerk Maxwell's masterwork nearly 50
years later — but it was all science.
A working journalist gets a nose for this sort of thing. I've had a similar
experience with a company called SilkRoad, which had an amazing
change-the-laws-of-physics optical data transmission method. I've had one with a
British data compression outfit set up by a university professor. I've been
assured of unbelievable wireless transmission methods that will change the
world. Grand claims with no evidence sink. By comparison, look at Intel, HP, IBM
and Hitachi: amazing results through the scientific method that flow through to
real products.
Whatever Steorn is doing — and in the utter absence of any testable data, the
chances of it being a significant scientific achievement are closer to absolute
zero than the contents of Lord Kelvin's freezer compartment — it's an expensive
experiment. For the price of that Economist advert and whatever they're paying
their PR company, they could have built 10 apparatuses that actually
demonstrated their effect and Fedex'd them to the major centres of scientific
excellence on the planet.
It wouldn't even cost them that much. If they'll send me the plans, I'll build
one. Having built it, I'll convince myself that it does produce more energy than
it takes in — which will take a glass of water, a resistor, a thermometer, a
couple of test meters and some basic mathematics, all of which I already have. I
shall then get on the train to Cambridge and refuse to leave until the nice
people at the Cavendish take a look at it.
I shall do all this at no charge to Steorn, because it will make me very famous
if it turns out to be true and I'll get a great article out of it if it isn't.
Furthermore, I don't think it will happen.
Neither will Steorn's amazing machine. Whether it's being driven by madness,
genuine misapprehension or some ulterior motive yet to be revealed, it's not
being driven by science. Producing rotational energy out of nothing is a great
trick and one that its PR company is clearly very good at, but once the silly
season's over the spin will die down.
And thus, despite their claims to the contrary on their website, it's
pseudoscience. They don't have to have a theory for it to be science — in fact,
it's clear that they don't — but that doesn't matter. Build a box. Show it
working. That's enough. Hans Christian Ørsted showed electromagnetism in 1820
and it wasn't fully explained until James Clerk Maxwell's masterwork nearly 50
years later — but it was all science.
A working journalist gets a nose for this sort of thing. I've had a similar
experience with a company called SilkRoad, which had an amazing
change-the-laws-of-physics optical data transmission method. I've had one with a
British data compression outfit set up by a university professor. I've been
assured of unbelievable wireless transmission methods that will change the
world. Grand claims with no evidence sink. By comparison, look at Intel, HP, IBM
and Hitachi: amazing results through the scientific method that flow through to
real products.
Whatever Steorn is doing — and in the utter absence of any testable data, the
chances of it being a significant scientific achievement are closer to absolute
zero than the contents of Lord Kelvin's freezer compartment — it's an expensive
experiment. For the price of that Economist advert and whatever they're paying
their PR company, they could have built 10 apparatuses that actually
demonstrated their effect and Fedex'd them to the major centres of scientific
excellence on the planet.
It wouldn't even cost them that much. If they'll send me the plans, I'll build
one. Having built it, I'll convince myself that it does produce more energy than
it takes in — which will take a glass of water, a resistor, a thermometer, a
couple of test meters and some basic mathematics, all of which I already have. I
shall then get on the train to Cambridge and refuse to leave until the nice
people at the Cavendish take a look at it.
I shall do all this at no charge to Steorn, because it will make me very famous
if it turns out to be true and I'll get a great article out of it if it isn't.
Furthermore, I don't think it will happen.
Neither will Steorn's amazing machine. Whether it's being driven by madness,
genuine misapprehension or some ulterior motive yet to be revealed, it's not
being driven by science. Producing rotational energy out of nothing is a great
trick and one that its PR company is clearly very good at, but once the silly
season's over the spin will die down. "
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25 Aug 2006 10:17:38 PM |
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Not many investors or gencos will take them seriously unless their
claim is vetted by responsible scientists. Validation will be the first
step toward licensing this technology to electricity generating
companies. They already have a working plant that is producing this
free electricity.
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
There is no energy to sell.
If any of this had even the slightest chance of working, they would
be fighting off potential investors with baseball bats and would be
filthy rich in short order.
You are an idiot.
<snip free energy babble>
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25 Aug 2006 11:15:02 PM |
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In sci.physics bobber <musicboy333@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not many investors or gencos will take them seriously unless their
claim is vetted by responsible scientists. Validation will be the first
step toward licensing this technology to electricity generating
companies. They already have a working plant that is producing this
free electricity.
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
Its annoying when the people dont go ahead and sell the free
energy and make money instead of pleading for investors
There is no energy to sell.
If any of this had even the slightest chance of working, they would
be fighting off potential investors with baseball bats and would be
filthy rich in short order.
You are an idiot.
<snip free energy babble>
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Jim Pennino
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Utter nonsense.
If they have a working plant, all they have to do is hook it to the
grid and start collecting the money.
No validation necessary.
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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25 Aug 2006 11:00:03 PM |
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bobber wrote:
Not many investors or gencos will take them seriously unless their
claim is vetted by responsible scientists. Validation will be the first
step toward licensing this technology to electricity generating
companies.
Making a working product would be infinitely better !
They already have a working plant that is producing this
free electricity.
No they haven't. That would be proof. But proof denies faith....
Graham
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| User: "bobber" |
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25 Aug 2006 11:16:53 PM |
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"Patents filed by Steorn could also encounter the skepticism of various
patent offices, which will not grant patents for "perpetual motion"
machines. So Steorn has not patented their core technology. Rather,
they have filed a sequence of patents which describe various aspects of
the technology but not its overall effects. One such patent suggests an
arrangement of magnets and a magnetic shield on a linear slide to act
as a low-energy actuator switch turning the magnetic fields on and off"
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=312047&rel_no=1&back_url=
Key word here is "core technology". You can't have a technology unless
you have a working machine that embodies that technology. I guess now
the ball is in patent office's court who will have to get this
technology certified before granting any patents.
Eeyore wrote:
bobber wrote:
Not many investors or gencos will take them seriously unless their
claim is vetted by responsible scientists. Validation will be the first
step toward licensing this technology to electricity generating
companies.
Making a working product would be infinitely better !
They already have a working plant that is producing this
free electricity.
No they haven't. That would be proof. But proof denies faith....
Graham
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| User: "Eeyore" |
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25 Aug 2006 11:51:15 PM |
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bobber wrote:
You can't have a technology unless
you have a working machine that embodies that technology.
So Steorn need to make one and stop babbling about it and using the money they could have made a
working unit with to pay for newspaper ads and a costly PR agency. In the process they'll find the
flaw in their 'science'..
Graham
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26 Aug 2006 01:14:41 PM |
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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:44EFD343.40D21E7E@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...
bobber wrote:
You can't have a technology unless
you have a working machine that embodies that technology.
So Steorn need to make one and stop babbling about it and using the money
they could have made a
working unit with to pay for newspaper ads and a costly PR agency. In the
process they'll find the
flaw in their 'science'..
or at least publish a paper so the rest of the world can point out the
flaws. There seems to be nothing on their web site about the technology.
Sounds awfully like a hoax the whole thing.
Some more info here.. Claims "?3million in backing"... lists other people
in the company...
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/05/21/story14326.asp
Some info on their patent..
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy
Too many words to read..
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Site:LRP:A_Proposed_Proof_of_an_Overunity_Asymmetric_System_to_be_Tested
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26 Aug 2006 09:45:15 PM |
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"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.net> wrote:
or at least publish a paper so the rest of the world can point out the
flaws. There seems to be nothing on their web site about the technology.
Sounds awfully like a hoax the whole thing.
It's too stinky to be a hoax. My guess would be a publicity stunt, or
even a high stakes bet, along the lines of "you cannot get a so many
hits in so many months".
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26 Aug 2006 01:35:14 PM |
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Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
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| User: "fruitella" |
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26 Aug 2006 02:36:57 PM |
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CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that this Randi guy was charged
with soliciting a minor for sexual acts sometime back. Not sure if its
true but if so, his credibility is zero from the pants up.
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27 Aug 2006 03:55:30 AM |
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"fruitella" <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
It's not him making the extraordinary claims. Even Fleishman and Pons
published their work so others could try and replicate the experiment.
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26 Aug 2006 09:41:29 PM |
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"fruitella" <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote:
CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
I must now bow to your superior intellect. How did you figure that
out? Since you are so smart, would you be so kind as to clear
something up for me: My friend says MicroSoft is in the business of
making money by selling software and hardware. Is he merely pulling my
leg or is there any truth to that wild claim?
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that this Randi guy was charged
with soliciting a minor for sexual acts sometime back. Not sure if its
true but if so, his credibility is zero from the pants up.
Funny. I vaguely remember someone telling me that he read somewhere
that that was you. And if so, it clearly proves that you don't know
how to tie your shoes.
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27 Aug 2006 04:28:04 AM |
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On 26 Aug 2006 12:36:57 -0700, "fruitella" <visualseeplus@yahoo.com>
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CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
And? Good for him.
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28 Aug 2006 07:12:23 PM |
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fruitella wrote:
CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that this Randi guy was charged
with soliciting a minor for sexual acts sometime back. Not sure if its
true but if so, his credibility is zero from the pants up.
A couple of jerks tried to blackmail Randi with lies
he was a homo who had solicited sex from them back in the early
80's. Randi got the cops. They taped a few phone messages
between Randi and the jerks and finally traced the calls
and arrested these morons. They went to prison for trying to shake
Randi down.
Crime does not pay!
Not for morons anyway.
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Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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27 Aug 2006 06:05:27 AM |
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fruitella wrote:
CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
A guy's got to make a living. It is good if you can get someone else
to pay you to do what you enjoy doing. Every religious cult is
evidence that when a good debunker is needed, they are not always
available.
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that this Randi guy was charged
with soliciting a minor for sexual acts sometime back. Not sure if its
true but if so, his credibility is zero from the pants up.
That started with 'parapsychologist' Eldon Byrd, who was arrested for
"possession with intent to distribute obscene materials involving
children", who copped a plea to "possession with intent to distribute
obscene materials". In response to a heckler at a 1988 meeting of the
New York Skeptics, and in an interview published in the now-defunct
Twilight Zone Magazine, Randi suggested Mr. Byrd had been convicted of
the crime of child molestation.
The actual published statement, reportedly taken by Stanley Wiater of
Montcalm Publishing in an interview with Randi, was:
"Eldon Byrd was the one - along with Geller - who launched a blackmail
campaign against me and accused me of being a child molester. Byrd is
now in prison in Washington, D.C. for child molesting - and is going to
be there for the next six years."
http://www.uri-geller.com/eldon.htm
Byrd sued in Federal court for thirty millions of dollars in damages,
claiming injuries to his reputation and community standing,
humiliation, mental anguish and suffering. During the defamation trial
Byrd admitted in Baltimore Federal court to having had a sexual
relationship with a minor of whom he was legal guardian. The jury found
that Mr. Randi's statements regarding Mr. Byrd were defamatory, but
they emphatically declined to award Mr. Byrd *any* compensation
whatsoever.
http://www.mindspring.com/~anson/randi-hotline/1993/0012.html
Testimony also revealed that Mr. Byrd was a long-time associate of Uri
Geller. Geller has also brought several suits against Mr. Randi.
I presume Byrd's suit went to Federal court because it involved remarks
published in print. If two people who are long time associates both
file a series of lawsuits against a third for multi-million dollar
amounts, does it constitute a 'blackmail campaign?' If the suits have
little or no merit as all of these appear to be, I would have to
designate it as a campaign of legal intimidation seeking large amounts
of money.
There seems to be no evidence to support Randi's alleged assertion that
Byrd accused Randi of being a child molester, although Byrd has
admitted in court that he is one himself. There is also no evidence
that a true blackmail campaign has been mounted against Randi by Bryd
and Geller. Blackmail is usually a threat to reveal information about a
person, and there is no evidence Byrd and / or Geller has any secrets
Randi would want to keep concealed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail
Randi seems to be guilty primarily of hyperbolic rhetoric. Considering
the opponent's tactics, this seems a forgiveable lapse.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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26 Aug 2006 04:57:02 PM |
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fruitella wrote:
CWatters wrote:
Randi comments on Steorn..
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-08/082506yet.html#i1
Guys like Randi are just in the business of debunking and nothing more.
It's called science.
He also bebunked the 'Shakti Stone', a rock you place on your hi-fi to 'make it
sound better' or so the manufacturers would have us believe !
We need more Randis.
Graham
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26 Aug 2006 04:58:13 PM |
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fruitella wrote:
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that this Randi guy was charged
with soliciting a minor for sexual acts sometime back. Not sure if its
true but if so, his credibility is zero from the pants up.
Your credibility is zero for even suggesting such a stupid connection.
But then again, for someone whose name is a confectionary item !
Graham
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25 Aug 2006 09:06:44 PM |
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habshi wrote:
Heard the one about the two Irishmen who say they can produce
limitless amounts of clean, free energy? Plenty of scientists have -
but few are taking them seriously.
Why don't they just make a product using their technology and sell them ffs if
they're so confident ?
Graham
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