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User:	"George Hammond"
Date:	01 Apr 2005 04:39:35 AM
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Allow me to introduce this post by
speaking to you in "tongues" for a
minute:
Yad de semptd desa sabach sach dem meday,
vedem gad es demc sheneh stad dada vadikum.
Meka vos bateka sedes sembottakah vauhta setoh?
Foida dem desaifa bech kaddafoya!
That is a direct typographical rendering of
something I've just uttered viva voce!
The message here is.... if you can't talk
in "tongues"... you don't KNOW what God is!
And until I hear you speak in tongues, I will
not be convinced that you do know what God
is!
TWO CLASSES OF HUMANITY
It is my learned opinion then, when all is said
and done, that there are two great classes of humanity.
First, there is a very small elite sector of humanity
who actually do know what God is. This is less than
10,000 people in the entire world today, and was
a far smaller constituency in prior ages.
The other great class is simply the rest of humanity,
which today numbers approximately 6 billion souls.
That is not to say that the bulk of the world
is totally ignorant of God... no... it's similar
to the subject of formal mathematics. Billions of
people know how to add and subtract.. they can make
change for instance. But only a few million are
competent in Calculus, and finally, perhaps only
10,000 or less fully comprehend the higher reaches
of mathematics. The world then may be divided into
TWO GREAT CLASSES when it comes to mathmatics.
10,000 of them are qualified to read Einstein,
Hilbert and Stephen Hawkings, while the rest of
humainty can do little more with math than balance
their checkbook or make change for a dollar.
Exactly the same is true when it comes to the
theory of God. 10,000 people on Earth today actually
know what God is, and it is no mystery to them
whatsoever, and moreover, this same class of people
has known what God is for thousands of years. Among
them of course are the Pope, the College of Cardinals,
various Archbishops and even a few hundred secular
scholars. Beyond that... among the great seething mass
of humanity, the subject of "God" is nearly a total
mystery, and virtually incomprehensible to the average
man.
The parallell may be carried even further. There
are many popular books by Einstein, Hilbert and
Hawking in which the subject of mathematics is
heuristically discussed without ever writing down
an actual equation. Gravity is explained in terms
of pinballs rolling on rubber sheets thus demonstrating
the curvature of space etc. The same is true of the
theory of God. Instead of giving an exact literal
description of the physical change a human being exhibits
when he spiritually penetrates into the invisible world,
we find parabolic descriptions given in the Bible
such as a description of Jesus walking across Lake
Gallilee in his bare feet.
SO, WHAT IS "GOD" ?
Well... with that we finally come to the central question
of this post, namely:
If 10,000 people have long known explicitly and
literally what "God" is, then why didn't they
simply come out and literally explain it thousands
of years ago instead of beating around the bush with
all this parabolic talk of "pinballs rolling around
on rubber sheets" or "men walking across lakes in
their bare feet" etc. ?
The answer to that is simply that enough science
was not known in previous ages to PROVE what they
would have to say!
In point of fact, the theory of "God" is so
controversial, that it is only now, now that the
sheer brute force of modern science HAS finally
found a way to prove it... that the literal truth
about "God" can be presented to the public!
WHAT THEN, IS THE "LITERAL" EXPLANATION OF GOD ?
Well... as I have indicated above, the higher intellectual
reaches of humanity have known for at least 3,000 years (and
even more certainly since the time of Christ 2,000 years ago)
that "God" so called, is a fundamental perceptual phenomena,
whereby, the universal failure of any individual to reach full
growth (due to universal poverty, famine, warfare, hardship,
et cetera) causes the average person to be unable to see 100%
of reality. He only THINKS that what he sees is true reality!
Actually, on average, as much as 15 to 20% of reality is
literally invisible to the average human being, and he doesn't
even know it! This is why he doesn't know what "God" is.
Now obviously, if you couldn't PROVE such a statment
scientifically, no one would believe it! And the PROOF of this
has only recently been achieved (Hammond 2003). But, as I
say, the leadership of society has actually known about it for
thousands of years, and this fact is actually the foundation
of what we call "Religion".
Before I launch into a description of the scientific proof,
let me point out how the ancients discovered this long before
Science did. They discovered it as a matter of practical
necessity! Leadership was the first challenge of Civilization.
And the first thing Man discovered is that some individuals
are a lot more powerful and commanding than others. Of course
we have genetic differences, but there is also a difference
in "growth" between various individuals. Genetic differences
aside then, it was soon discovered that men who obviously had
better growth backgrounds, were taller, stronger, quicker, had
better teeth, were suitable for "oversight" positions.. generals,
governors, kings, presidents etc. Furthermore, since such
specimens were rather rare, it was also noticed that most people
had rather mediocre or even poor development..many weak, scrawney,
even growth stunted individuals. And, the leadership soon
realized that in fact the large mass of humanity was in a
rather poor general growth situation, and that particularly this
affected peoples mental function ... they were unreliable,
emotional, unrealistic and even hysterical in the face of the
human struggle. This lead eventually to a massive social
program to deal with this (poverty-engendered) universal
"mental" dilemma of Man... and this program was named
"religion". The universal "ideal man" (the fully grown
man) was named "God" and he was considered invisible since no
one, as far as anyone could see, was actually fully grown.
It was recognized from common experience that less than fully
grown adults, were in some sense similar to "children" in that
their mental function (particully visual perception) was
reduced in the same way that a child's visual perception of
reality is "reduced" in comparison to an adult. Hence, humanity
began to refer to itself for the first time as "the children of
God".
THE SOCIAL ADVENT, 33 AD
OK, so the history of God and Religion is reasonably clear,
and it is also clear why A "literal" explanation of "God"
has been a long time coming. Obviously you can't go around
telling the average man that his brain is not fully grown
because his ancestors were not wealty and they had to struggle
in poverty for untold generations and because of that you are
unable to see 15 to 20% of reality and are only fit to be a minion
and hireling instead of a bigshot.
Fortunately, 2,000 years ago, what was to become the world's
most famous man emerged in the Levant and announced to the
world that the phenomena of "God" is actually a demonstration
that the true nature of man is cooperative and not competitive,
and that each person has a place in "the kingdom of God" and
that society must act cooperatively with all men "equal under
God" in order for the human race as a whole to survive. This
man was of course the prophet of Christianity, Jesus of Nazareth.
Even so, the matter of God was still so controversial and
incapable of simple proof or explanation, that even Jesus himself
was only able to discuss the matter parabolically, and never
literally.
THE SCIENTIFIC ADVENT, 2005 AD
Finally then, we arrive at the present day. In the past 2,000
years we have survived virtually every social catastrophe that
can be imagined. First the overwhelming of classical civilization
by the Feudal System followed by 1,000 year Dark Age. Then the
miracle of the Industrial Revolution which ended Fuedalism and
Slavery but gave us the spectacle World War. Today, after trial
by fire, we at last live in a sophisticated world dominated by
Democracy and sustained by Scientific and Technological achievement.
With all this world experience and at this late date in civilization,
one would think that some headway in achieving a literal scientific
explanation of the age old mystery of God would have finally emerged.
Well, believe it or not...it has!
As I outlined above, Man has always known, at the highest reaches
of society, what "God" actually is. Pope Julius actually commissioned
Michealangelo 500 years ago to paint a picture of God on the Sistine
Chapel ceiling, where it can still be seen today... an actual artistic
rendering of the "invisible God" of Man!
But why has Science not taken up the investigation of the phenomena
of God? Well... the answer is simple... there are very few, if any,
qualified scientists among the 10,000 elite persons of the world who
actually know what God is. The reason for this is that knowledge of
what God is can only be obtained, as I pointed out above, by people
who are actually in charge of observing, judging, appointing and
dealing with mankind on a personal contact first hand level. The average
physicist spends 40 years studying mathematical-physics in rooms with
no windows and very little time dealing with humanity at large. It is
highly improbable that he would ever stumble across an explanation
for the phenomena of "God"... if the idea even crossed his mind!
However, believe it or not, such an rare accident has actually
happened! The accidental discovery of a literal scientific "proof"
of God begins with the modern age of Psychology.. in particular,
what is called "Psychometry". Psychonmetry is the field of
"scientifically measureable" psychology, and is only about 100 years
old.. in fact it only came of age after the invention of the computer
in the 1970's. We have talked about how "20% of the world is invisible
to the average man", and the fact that even the ancients knew about it.
But only in the past 40 years could this actually be scientifically
measured. I will spare you the details but will illustrate it by
the following fascinating piece of research. You all know that a
"movie" consists of a series of still photos flashed on a screen so
fast that it becomes a moving picture. Would you believe that they
discovered (and measured) the fact that a 7 year old can see up
to 10 frames/sec as individual pictures before it turns into a
movie, but by the time you're 15 this rate moves up to 15 frames/sec.
Subsequent research has shown that this is due to the increasing
"mental speed" of the person which increases as his brain grows!
This simple example dramatizes the fact that 1/3 of "reality" is
actually "invisible" to a 7 year old as compared to a 15 year old!
Obviously, if you reach adulthood without achieving full growth,
then you will be surrounded by an invisible world which you can't
even see!
Fact is, another well established fact is something called the
Secular Trend in human growth... the fact that every generation is
more fully grown than the last. This is the explanation of why no
modern soldier can fit into a medeival suit of armor.. they are much
too large. Anyway, the Secular Trend is direct evidence that no
adult is now, or ever has been, fully grown. Hence.. we actually are all
surrounded by an "invisible world". And more invisible to some people
than others!
Well, to continue the story of how a scientific proof of God
was accidentally discovered by a scientist.. it was yours truly, a
physicist, who 20 years ago decided to take a closer look at the
field of Psychometry. The first problem I worked on was the very old
problem of trying to discover the "Structural Model" of Psychology.
It has been believed to exists ever since Hippocrates the Father of
Medicine announced 2,500 year ago that there was such a thing.
As you might recall he said it was made up of "4 Humors".
Amazingly, being virtually the first physicist to ever investigate
the matter, I soon recognized that the correlations of Psychometry
indicated the existence of a CUBIC structure in the data, and soon
traced this to the cubic (Cartesian) structure of the vertibrate body
plan and the brain itself! This discovery was published in New Ideas
In Psychology (Pergamon Press) in 1994. I was quite pleased with
myself, and had absolutely no idea what lay in store for me next!
I won't reiterate the details, it's all recounted on my website
and in my published papers, but basically what I discovered is that
the 4 dimension of Psychometry are "curved" in exactly the same
fashion as the 4 dimensions of real space are curved as Einstein
discovered. The reason for the Psychometry curvature in fact is
because the 4 dimension of real space are what causes the 4 dimension
of Psychometry space via the Cartesian geometry of the human body
plan (the cleavages of the Brain). What all this means, is that what
we see is a "curved version" of true reality, and this curvature
is directly proportional to a person's percentage of full brain
growth. In other words, "God" is actually explained by Einstein's
equation but now written in Psychometry Space:
GOD = G_uv
(G_uv is the Einstein curvature tensor). Now, I'm sure that unless
you are a qualfied physicist I've lost you there.. but it's all quite
simple... reduced brain growth causes a reduction in mental speed
(intelligence) and reduced growth in general causes the world to
"look bigger" than if you were fully grown. This combination of
"time dilation" and "space magnification" is called a "curvature
of spacetime" by the physicists. Now, as we have explained, these
"dilations" cause part of reality to be invisible, i.e. the
"curvature" causes part of reality to be invisible, and we know
that this invisiblity is historically known as the phenomenon of
"God".... hence the equation GOD = G_uv. All of this is explained
on my website and in my published papers (URL below).
CONCLUSION
Well, I hope this has been helpful in finally dismissing
the "mystery" of God from your mind, and informing you that a
rigorous, axiomatic, empirically confirmed proof that "God exists"
has been discovered... and published by the way in the peer
reviewed scientific literature, in the NOETIC JOURNAL:
Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244
online copy:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html
We all may now rest assured that the Bible is true, that God exists,
and that everything Jesus ever said has now been scientifically
proved.
Thank you in advance for
your kind comments,
George Hammond M.S. Physics (1967)
Hyannis MA
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User: "Tim"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	01 Apr 2005 04:46:53 AM

"George Hammond" <nowhere1@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I suspect that your ability to "speak in tongues" is directly correlated to
the observable damage to your crash helmet. I already told you that those
things are only meant to last one impact. You really should get a new one
Ham. Maybe then you'd make some sense. "God is Dead" George - your attempt
to mix pseudo science and religion is proof in the puddin'.
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Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	01 Apr 2005 05:01:20 AM

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I suspect that your ability to "speak in tongues" is directly correlated

the observable damage to your crash helmet. I already told you that those
things are only meant to last one impact. You really should get a new one
Ham. Maybe then you'd make some sense. "God is Dead" George - your attempt
to mix pseudo science and religion is proof in the puddin'.

[Hammond]
This post was written for and posted to the ASA Listserv mailing
list (Americian Scientific Affiliation). They have thousands of members,
most of them highly educated in science-religion. If anyone makes
an interesting comment I'll post it to Usenet... but basically I'm through
arguing with you Yahoos!
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Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	01 Apr 2005 05:11:24 AM

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I suspect that your ability to "speak in tongues" is directly correlated

the observable damage to your crash helmet. I already told you that those
things are only meant to last one impact. You really should get a new one
Ham. Maybe then you'd make some sense. "God is Dead" George - your
attempt
to mix pseudo science and religion is proof in the puddin'.

You keep making statements to this effect but you show up two days later
crying that the "geeks" in alt.physics won't listen. So you sift through the
quagmire of NG's and post anywhere you see fit. People then laugh at you.
You then cry, then say you're done with Usenet. Two days later you're back
peddling your looney-toon pseudo science again. You have a very short term
memory don't you George. Again I'm going to posit that there is a direct
correlation between the damage to your helmet and your memory (dis)ability.

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User: "TMG"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	01 Apr 2005 06:13:03 PM

George Hammond wrote:

"Tim" <qwery@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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I suspect that your ability to "speak in tongues" is directly correlated

Yeah - but there aren't any comments at all. Nada, bubkis. You're
clearly too crazy for them.

but basically I'm through
arguing with you Yahoos!

That sounds familiar. You've said that many, many times. It's a lot like
your private moderated playpen. You SWORE you'd never post outside your
padded cell, and yet.....
Now if you were Pope, then you could show us all. Maybe you should try
that speaking-in-tongues thing. Sit there is your room babbling
nonsense, then quickly type it out into USENET. Yeah, that'll show them
you aren't crazy.
By the way, how did that post to sci.psychology.research go? Seems the
moderator lost it. Oh well.
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User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	02 Apr 2005 12:07:12 AM

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[Hammond]
This post was written for and posted to the ASA Listserv mailing
list (Americian Scientific Affiliation). They have thousands of

members,

most of them highly educated in science-religion. If anyone makes
an interesting comment I'll post it to Usenet...

Yeah - but there aren't any comments at all. Nada, bubkis. You're
clearly too crazy for them.

[Hammond]
Well... they're all morons too... simply a different brand.
On Usenet you have "skateboard morons" and
"subway morons".... while on email Listservs you tend to get
"limousine morons". In academia you get "Audi and BMW morons"
and a few "backpack morons", such as you. Point is, no matter
where you look, it's "morons all the way down".

but basically I'm through
arguing with you Yahoos!

That sounds familiar. You've said that many, many times. It's a lot like
your private moderated playpen. You SWORE you'd never post outside your
padded cell, and yet.....

[Hammond]
Problem with you is your repertoire is limited to ad hominem
echolalliation. I don't think you've ever posted anything
"on-topic" to Usenet, have you?

Now if you were Pope, then you could show us all. Maybe you should try
that speaking-in-tongues thing. Sit there is your room babbling
nonsense, then quickly type it out into USENET. Yeah, that'll show them
you aren't crazy.

By the way, how did that post to sci.psychology.research go? Seems the
moderator lost it. Oh well.

[Hammond]
Rumor has it that 2 of the three moderators of s.psy.r have mysteriously
disappeared... at least I've seen comments to that effect. I notice they go
for
days without posting anything at all. In the entire month of March they
only posted 9 items, and none of them with any replies. Only 10 in February
as a matter of fact. Apparently it's a declining newsgroup.
Yawn....
Seriously though.... despite the fact that you're a borderline psycho... you
do have a better head on your shoulders than the rest of these uneducated
hackers. The post that I have just made which explains the origin and
history
of "religion" including a literal scientific explanation of "God" is
CERTAINLY
and UNDENIABLY the most rational, literal, cogent and comprehensive
scientific
explanation of Religion to be found in print anywhere in the entire world's
literature. Surely since it is written in completely lay language it cannot
be
beyond your comprehension. What pray tell then is your (specific)
opinion of the PLAUSIBILITY of that post.... just the overall PLAUSIBILITY?
Can't you give me a 2 or 300 word
simple critique of the basic
*PLAUSIBILITY* of the
literal explanation of God
contained in that specific post?
I mean... exactly what's
"not believable" about it?
Hey... if you say something honest and sincere,
I'm not going to trash it.... after all the opinion
of my critics is actually more valuable than the
opinion of my friends!
Your enemy, George
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User: "Gary Eickmeier"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	02 Apr 2005 10:18:54 AM

George Hammond wrote:

Seriously though.... despite the fact that you're a borderline psycho... you
do have a better head on your shoulders than the rest of these uneducated
hackers. The post that I have just made which explains the origin and
history
of "religion" including a literal scientific explanation of "God" is
CERTAINLY
and UNDENIABLY the most rational, literal, cogent and comprehensive
scientific
explanation of Religion to be found in print anywhere in the entire world's
literature. Surely since it is written in completely lay language it cannot
be
beyond your comprehension. What pray tell then is your (specific)
opinion of the PLAUSIBILITY of that post.... just the overall PLAUSIBILITY?

Can't you give me a 2 or 300 word
simple critique of the basic
*PLAUSIBILITY* of the
literal explanation of God
contained in that specific post?
I mean... exactly what's
"not believable" about it?

I can help you out there, George. Basically, you have said that "God" so
called, is a fundamental perceptual phenomena (sic). That would be an
imaginary, internalized being, or phenomenon, that has nothing to do
with the God the rest of us are talking about. Most view God as a very
real, external, objective being who created us, not the other way
around. Any proof of such a statement would be pointless.
Gary Eickmeier
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User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	02 Apr 2005 06:55:43 PM

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George Hammond wrote:

Seriously though.... despite the fact that you're a borderline psycho...

you

do have a better head on your shoulders than the rest of these

uneducated

hackers. The post that I have just made which explains the origin and
history
of "religion" including a literal scientific explanation of "God" is
CERTAINLY
and UNDENIABLY the most rational, literal, cogent and comprehensive
scientific
explanation of Religion to be found in print anywhere in the entire

world's

literature. Surely since it is written in completely lay language it

cannot

be
beyond your comprehension. What pray tell then is your (specific)
opinion of the PLAUSIBILITY of that post.... just the overall

PLAUSIBILITY?

Can't you give me a 2 or 300 word
simple critique of the basic
*PLAUSIBILITY* of the
literal explanation of God
contained in that specific post?
I mean... exactly what's
"not believable" about it?

[Hammond]
WRONG. PURE AND SIMPLE ... WRONG!
Any major change in the brain de facto causes a
"change in external reality" since the "existence of external reality"
in only INFERRED from our sensory perception. Therefore, a
change in our sensory perception IS a change in EXTERNAL REALITY.
There IS NO SUCH THING as a "DIRECT" detection of external
reality by a human being..... "external reality" is ONLY detectable
via the SENSORY SYSTEM AND BRAIN of the human being.
Therefore, the difference between an actual change in "external
reality" and a "change in your brain sensory system" is
IMPOSSIBLE.... and this is what makes "brain engendered God"
INDISTINGUISHABLE (i.e. IDENTICAL) to an "external God".
Therefore, "GOD" IS AN EXTERNAL AGENCY.
Furthermore... advanced scholars of Religion (such as St. Augustine)
who said:
"The world was created WITH time and not IN time"
are WELL AWARE of this, and the Church has been WELL
AWARE of it for 2,000 years since the time of Jesus of Nazareth.
WHAT DO YOU THINK "RELIGION" IS
ALL ABOUT........ FOR CHRISSAKES!!
The SPOG is addressing, and has proved, the one and the same
God that is the foundation of Christianity and is described in the
1,033 pages of the King James Bible.
Guess again, Gary!
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User: "Gary Eickmeier"
Title: Re: GOD=G_uv AN SCIENTIFIC ADVENT	02 Apr 2005 01:34:15 PM

But not an very good title...
Gary Eickmeier
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Title: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 03:49:30 AM

From: George Hammond
To: The American Scientific Affiliation email discussion list
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005
Subject: Pope John Paul II on Science and Faith
[Schneider]
In a previous note I referred to two addresses by Pope John Paul II on the
relationship between science and faith. The earlier is in the form of a
letter addressed to the Rev. Dr. George V. Coyne, Directory of the Vatican
Observatory, and introduces the papers read at the Vatican Observatory
Conference entitled Physics, Philosophy and Theology: A Common Quest for
Understanding (Vatican City State, 1988).
<snip>
[Hammond]
I have sent my published theory to Bill Stoeger S.J. PhD
a staff physicist at the Vatican Observatory (U.S.) who works under
Geo. Coyne's supervision. I discussed the theory with him for several
weeks, and finally concluded that neither he, nor Geo. Coyne, nor
anyone else at the Vatican Observatory have so much as a clue as to
what God is. For heaven's sake, the average t.v. evangelical preacher
has a greater comprehension of God than Bill Stoeger or Geo. Coyne...
albeit they are Relativity physicists also.
Frankly anyone with scientific training has a very poor understanding
of God, including even Isaac Newton who left 4 million words on religion,
and never did reach the level of theological comprehension exhibited
by even the average Archbishop!
I find it ironic that the PAS is holding long droning speculative
philosophical discussions on "Physics & Theology" when in point
of fact a graduate physicist has already published the world's first
rigorous scientific proof of God and they're not even aware of it!
Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
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<snip>
[Schneider]
Five years ago, I was in the audience during a debate between an
evolutionary biologist and an ID proponent in Lexington, KY. The biologist
mentioned that Pope John Paul II had supported acceptance of evolution. The
ID guy, a local dentist, said, "I don't know who the pope's advisers are,"
insinuating that they can't be very good. They are in fact the 80 members of
the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, thirty of whom are Nobel laureates
[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).
<snip>
..... so they called Henry Morris [a Creationist]. He said that he thought
the pope had been poorly advised.
[Hammond]
Indubitably the understatement of the year.
Bob Schneider
[Hammond]
If you or anyone else happens to know George Coyne personally,
or ANY OTHER member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences;
who would be willing to talk to me, please advise. I am most anxious
to talk to them.
With my profound regards,
George Hammond, M.S. Physics (1967)
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 11:24:10 AM

George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.
Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).
You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 04:22:33 PM

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George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.

Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).

You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.

[Hammond]
"Everyone".... you mean the morons and Yahoos on Usenet?.. But I
suppose to a yocal like you would think that is "everyone".
However, I've now decided I have to proceed to the College of
Cardinals before I can find anyone who actually knows what God
is. There are about 10 US Cardinals. Adding that to the dozen
or so Physicists on the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.... that makes
about 20 people who are actually significantly qualified to discuss the
SPOG.
I think my next step is to send a letter to them and see if I can
convince
them to bring the matter to the attention of the Pontifical Academy of
Sciences. Of course the college of Cardinals will be in enclave for
awhile, so I have plenty of time....
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 05:58:03 PM

George Hammond wrote:

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George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.

Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).

You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.

[Hammond]
"Everyone".... you mean the morons and Yahoos on Usenet?.. But I
suppose to a yocal like you would think that is "everyone".

Ahhh, but you still haven't found one person who *doesn't* laugh at you.
And this is the 2nd time you've replied to this exact post. You really
don't have anything better to do.

However, I've now decided I have to proceed to the College of
Cardinals before I can find anyone who actually knows what God
is. There are about 10 US Cardinals. Adding that to the dozen
or so Physicists on the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.... that makes
about 20 people who are actually significantly qualified to discuss the
SPOG.
I think my next step is to send a letter to them and see if I can
convince
them to bring the matter to the attention of the Pontifical Academy of
Sciences.

I would have thought it easier to visit the several PAS members that
live in Massachusetts.
But then you'd have to face that "up close, in your face" laughing at
you. Sending them letters still lets you hide behind the story that
those nasty girls in the correspondence office are throwing your
important letters away.

Of course the college of Cardinals will be in enclave for
awhile, so I have plenty of time....

Yep. Not like your life or career is burning any of your time up.
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Get off this thread punk	05 Apr 2005 01:35:34 AM

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George Hammond wrote:

"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
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George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.

Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).

You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.

[Hammond]
"Everyone".... you mean the morons and Yahoos on Usenet?.. But I
suppose to a yocal like you would think that is "everyone".

Ahhh, but you still haven't found one person who *doesn't* laugh at you.
And this is the 2nd time you've replied to this exact post. You really
don't have anything better to do.

I would have thought it easier to visit the several PAS members that
live in Massachusetts.

But then you'd have to face that "up close, in your face" laughing at
you. Sending them letters still lets you hide behind the story that
those nasty girls in the correspondence office are throwing your
important letters away.

Of course the college of Cardinals will be in enclave for
awhile, so I have plenty of time....

Yep. Not like your life or career is burning any of your time up.

[Hammond]
Quit posting off topic ad hominem harrassment and abuse to
this thread in violation of Usenet rules.
Get off this thread punk.
.

User: "Gary Eickmeier"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 07:05:04 PM

George Hammond wrote:

You're going to tell the college of Cardinals that God is caused by a
brain growth deficit?
Gary Eickmeier
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	05 Apr 2005 01:36:47 AM

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George Hammond wrote:

You're going to tell the college of Cardinals that God is caused by a
brain growth deficit?

Gary Eickmeier

[Hammond]
THEY already know it moron.... they just can't prove it.
.

User: "Gary Eickmeier"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	05 Apr 2005 07:48:37 AM

George Hammond wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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You're going to tell the college of Cardinals that God is caused by a
brain growth deficit?

Gary Eickmeier

[Hammond]
THEY already know it moron.... they just can't prove it.

Absolutely precious! Thanks George!
Gary Eickmeier
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 08:16:05 PM

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George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.

Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).

You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.

[Hammond]
No jackass... that post was to prod an argumentative pedant like
YOU go to the PAS website and wade through the 80 member list
and double check the count as cited by what's his name.... as if
the count means anything! There isn't one of those Physicists
who would know God from a banana split... and Townes, Yang and
Mossbauer must be over 80 years of age. I don't think the PAS
is fit for anything but arguing over birth control and breast implants.
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 08:42:32 PM

George Hammond wrote:

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George Hammond wrote:
<snip>

[Hammond]
That's funny, by my count there are only a half dozen
Nobel's on the PAS, and only 1 in Physics (Charles
Townes).

That *is* funny. Work on your counting. I get 25 Nobel laureates.

Eight are in physics (Bohr, Cohn-Tannoudji, Mossbauer, Rubbia, Siegbahn,
Townes, Yang, and Zewail).

You can't do the most basic fact checking, and then wonder why everyone
laughs at you.

Suuurrrreee it was.
If the count didn't mean anything, what was your point? Why did you
comment on it - and so incorrectly at that?
This is why people laugh at you George. You're a fool, and too full of
yourself to admit it. Just like pointing out your (very) simple math
errors. You got all huffy, but you've corrected them in your posts
since. You're not fooling anyone.
And in case you haven't figured it out yet, nobody gives a damn what you
think - except as an amusing distraction from the real world.
And here you were asking for help. I guess you weren't sincere. There
are two PAS members at MIT, one even in the Geophysics Dept.
George, the reason you limp is that you keep shooting yourself in the
foot. Fool.
Now stamp your wittle feets and cry.
Try that speaking in gibberish trick - we all howled at that one the
last time.
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 07:21:22 AM

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<snip>

And here you were asking for help. I guess you weren't sincere. There
are two PAS members at MIT, one even in the Geophysics Dept.

[Hammond]
No *****!! Now that IS NEWS...! Who are they? ... and how did you find
that out? Are they in Physics?

George, the reason you limp is that you keep shooting yourself in the
foot. Fool.
Now stamp your wittle feets and cry.
Try that speaking in gibberish trick - we all howled at that one the
last time.

[Hammond]
Wolves howl all the time...for christ's sake.... you
really are a lame brain!
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 05:36:33 PM

George Hammond wrote:

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<snip>

And here you were asking for help. I guess you weren't sincere. There
are two PAS members at MIT, one even in the Geophysics Dept.

[Hammond]
No *****!! Now that IS NEWS...! Who are they? ... and how did you find
that out? Are they in Physics?

Funny George. You already claimed to know everything about each of the
PAS members, and were only laying bait for pedants by pretending you
were clueless.
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Get off this thread punk	05 Apr 2005 01:34:25 AM

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George Hammond wrote:

"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in
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<snip>

And here you were asking for help. I guess you weren't sincere. There
are two PAS members at MIT, one even in the Geophysics Dept.

[Hammond]
No *****!! Now that IS NEWS...! Who are they? ... and how did you find
that out? Are they in Physics?

Funny George. You already claimed to know everything about each of the
PAS members, and were only laying bait for pedants by pretending you
were clueless.

[Hammond]
Quit posting off topic ad hominem harrassment and abuse to
this thread in violation of Usenet rules.
Get off this thread punk.
.

User: "Uncle Al"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	04 Apr 2005 03:33:04 PM

George Hammond wrote:

From: George Hammond

[snip crap]
Psychotic delusions of compentence and relevance,
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete3.png
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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User: "GR_GR"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 11:37:33 AM

George Hammond wrote:

My goodness... you are a crack pot!
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 08:16:05 PM

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George Hammond wrote:

the

relationship between science and faith. The earlier is in the form of a
letter addressed to the Rev. Dr. George V. Coyne, Directory of the

Vatican

Observatory, and introduces the papers read at the Vatican Observatory
Conference entitled Physics, Philosophy and Theology: A Common Quest for
Understanding (Vatican City State, 1988).

<snip>

[Hammond]
I have sent my published theory to Bill Stoeger S.J. PhD
a staff physicist at the Vatican Observatory (U.S.) who works under
Geo. Coyne's supervision. I discussed the theory with him for several
weeks, and finally concluded that neither he, nor Geo. Coyne, nor
anyone else at the Vatican Observatory have so much as a clue as to
what God is. For heaven's sake, the average t.v. evangelical preacher
has a greater comprehension of God than Bill Stoeger or Geo. Coyne...
albeit they are Relativity physicists also.

My goodness... you are a crack pot!

[Hammond]
Get off this thread punk.
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 08:25:43 PM

George Hammond wrote:

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George Hammond wrote:

the

relationship between science and faith. The earlier is in the form of a
letter addressed to the Rev. Dr. George V. Coyne, Directory of the

Vatican

My goodness... you are a crack pot!

[Hammond]
Get off this thread punk.

Make me, crack pot.
.

User: "Robert Kolker"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 04:52:00 AM

George Hammond wrote:

From: George Hammond
To: The American Scientific Affiliation email discussion list
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005
Subject: Pope John Paul II on Science and Faith

Empirical science and religious faith are orthognal. Both can be done by
the same person but they have little to do with each other. Science
requires empirical testing to be believed and religious belief is beyond
any empircal test. They are of a different nature.
Bob Kolker
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 07:09:05 PM

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George Hammond wrote:

From: George Hammond
To: The American Scientific Affiliation email discussion list
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005
Subject: Pope John Paul II on Science and Faith

Empirical science and religious faith are orthognal.

[Hammond]
Who says so..... you?

Both can be done by
the same person but they have little to do with each other.

[Hammond]
Who says so..... you?

Science
requires empirical testing to be believed and religious belief is beyond
any empircal test.

[Hammond]
Who says so..... you?

They are of a different nature.

[Hammond]
Who says so..... you?

Bob Kolker

[Hammond]
Who says so..... you?
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 09:57:49 AM

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:52:00 -0400, Robert Kolker
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:

George Hammond wrote:

From: George Hammond
To: The American Scientific Affiliation email discussion list
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005
Subject: Pope John Paul II on Science and Faith

Of course, that's not to say that it doesn't take just heaps and
heaps of pure faith to endorse the Big Bang theory, proof be damned.
Since even the concept of a free lunch has so far not been firmly
established, then the Big Bang is an unwarranted extrapolation that
violates the no-proof, no-science principle you espouse.
It looks like Hobson's choice if there is not an alternative theory
for the Beginning of it all.
John Polasek
If you have something to say write an equation.
If you have nothing to say, write an essay.
.

User: "George Hammond"
Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 07:12:07 PM

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John Polasek

If you have something to say write an equation.
If you have nothing to say, write an essay.

[Hammond]
EXACTLY CORRECT:
GOD = G_uv
put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Title: Re: To the Pontifical Academy of Sciences & Vatican Observatory	03 Apr 2005 08:22:57 PM

George Hammond wrote:

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<snip>

John Polasek

If you have something to say write an equation.
If you have nothing to say, write an essay.

[Hammond]
EXACTLY CORRECT:

GOD = G_uv

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Along with the crack that obviously fills yours?
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