Science > Physics > Google got it's Start from Linux... then left it in the dust.
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19 May 2005 10:18:31 PM |
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Google got it's Start from Linux... then left it in the dust. |
Hi John_Bailo, In news:Jeff_Relf_2005_May_16_ZfIl@Cotse.NET,
I said: Retail_Consumers that made MicroSoft rich, not IBM.
and then I recounted MicroSoft's 1980/1981 timeline.
and you replied: Huh ? All this tells me is that
until IBM annointed Microsoft it was just another startup that
was trying to stay afloat and probably headed for chapter 11.
Let's play " Alternative Universe " and suppose that IBM chose somebody
else instead of them to be their waterboy.
It might go something like this: ...
IBM doesn't even sell desktops anymore, that's how important they were.
Anyone can invent cartoon realities, but what's that got to do with reality ?
MicroSoft dominated the retail PC market Before and after IBMs stupidity.
Apple is like Nordstrom's, MicroSoft is like Wal_Mart,
and Linux is like Seattle's Pike_Place_Market.
Like Starbucks got it's start at Pike_Place_Market **,
Google got it's Start from Linux... then left it in the dust.
** Pike_Place_Market in Seattle is a great open_air mall
with breath_taking views of the ferries plying Elliot Bay,
lots of bars, breweries, roasters, bakeries, fish_mongers, druggies, etc.:
http://www.raincitystory.com/images/ppm_night.jpg
http://www.utc.edu/Faculty/Jonathan-Mies/pac_nw/seattle/fish_toss.jpg
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20 May 2005 12:39:29 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, In news:Jeff_Relf_2005_May_16_ZfIl@Cotse.NET,
I said: Retail_Consumers that made MicroSoft rich, not IBM.
and then I recounted MicroSoft's 1980/1981 timeline.
and you replied: Huh ? All this tells me is that
until IBM annointed Microsoft it was just another startup that
was trying to stay afloat and probably headed for chapter 11.
Let's play " Alternative Universe " and suppose that IBM chose somebody
else instead of them to be their waterboy.
It might go something like this: ...
IBM doesn't even sell desktops anymore, that's how important they were.
Anyone can invent cartoon realities, but what's that got to do with reality ?
MicroSoft dominated the retail PC market Before and after IBMs stupidity.
Apple is like Nordstrom's, MicroSoft is like Wal_Mart,
and Linux is like Seattle's Pike_Place_Market.
Like Starbucks got it's start at Pike_Place_Market **,
Google got it's Start from Linux... then left it in the dust.
Google is still using Linux you know...
** Pike_Place_Market in Seattle is a great open_air mall
with breath_taking views of the ferries plying Elliot Bay,
lots of bars, breweries, roasters, bakeries, fish_mongers, druggies, etc.:
http://www.raincitystory.com/images/ppm_night.jpg
http://www.utc.edu/Faculty/Jonathan-Mies/pac_nw/seattle/fish_toss.jpg
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20 May 2005 04:27:32 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
IBM doesn't even sell desktops anymore,
MicroSoft dominated the retail PC market Before and after IBMs
stupidity.
Apple is like Nordstrom's, MicroSoft is like Wal_Mart,
and Linux is like Seattle's Pike_Place_Market.
Like Starbucks got it's start at Pike_Place_Market **,
Google got it's Start from Linux... then left it in the dust.
** Pike_Place_Market in Seattle is a great open_air mall
Your Majesty is like a big jam doughnut with cream on the top.
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20 May 2005 03:20:14 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, You told me:
Your Majesty is like a big jam doughnut with cream on the top.
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/oscarwil.htm
Your Majesty is like a dose of clap.
Before you arrive -- before you arrive is pleasure,
and after is a pain in the dong.
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20 May 2005 04:46:31 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, You told me:
Your Majesty is like a big jam doughnut with cream on the top.
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/oscarwil.htm
Your Majesty is like a dose of clap.
Before you arrive -- before you arrive is pleasure,
and after is a pain in the dong.
It's a fair cop, but society is to blame.
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode29.htm
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25 May 2005 04:10:48 PM |
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On 2005-05-20 04:18:31 +0100, Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> said:
MicroSoft dominated the retail PC market Before and after IBMs stupidity.
Microsoft were unheard of before IBM hired them. It helped that Bill
Gates' mother served on the IBM board, of course. And he dodn't have
what hey wanted, so he promised to deliver it and signed a contract -
then went looking for it.
Sound familiar?
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25 May 2005 04:39:48 PM |
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"Doug" <anon@noname.com> wrote in message
news:2005052522104826306%anon@nonamecom...
On 2005-05-20 04:18:31 +0100, Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> said:
MicroSoft dominated the retail PC market Before and after IBMs
stupidity.
Microsoft were unheard of before IBM hired them.
Microsoft produced BASIC for the first personal computer, the Altair, and
for every personal computer made between then and when the IBM PC came out,
including the Apple II.
It helped that Bill Gates' mother served on the IBM board, of course. And
he dodn't have what hey wanted, so he promised to deliver it and signed a
contract - then went looking for it.
He knew where he could find an OS to buy, and pass on to IBM, he just didn't
sign and blindy stumble around looking for the software afterwards.
Sound familiar?
Yes, it's the sound of Maccies yammering about things they're clueless about
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25 May 2005 04:33:52 PM |
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Hi Doug,
While IBM makes it's money selling so_called Solutions to huge companies,
MicroSoft, even before it's contract with IBM, was selling to Individuals,
....individuals with desktops.
Unlike IBM, MicroSoft has always been a master of that market.
DOS came out late 1981, but MicroSoft was selling CP/M boards long before that
so it knew exactly who had written what CP/M work_alike.
That's how they could offer IBM an OS in such short notice.
MicroSoft simply purchased the CP/M work_alike for 50 thousand
from some moron in Seattle. Remember, this was a small program back then.
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25 May 2005 05:50:11 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_CvpZ@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Doug,
While IBM makes it's money selling so_called Solutions to huge companies,
MicroSoft, even before it's contract with IBM, was selling to Individuals,
...individuals with desktops.
Yes, it was selling what was effectively a ripoff of someone else's
software.
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25 May 2005 07:09:47 PM |
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Hi Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling,
and the 50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights
to his tiny OS,
Chad_Irby notes that MicroSoft was:
selling what was effectively a ripoff of someone else's software.
Which proves what ? That you were too stupid to think of that first ?
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25 May 2005 07:15:44 PM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 00:09:47 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and the
50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his tiny
OS,
Micro$oft did not 'have command of the CP/M market'. They sold cards that
would allow some computers, like the Apple //, run CP/M.
Chad_Irby notes that MicroSoft was:
selling what was effectively a ripoff of someone else's software.
Which proves what ? That you were too stupid to think of that first ?
No, it proves that sold someone else's IP.
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Rick
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25 May 2005 07:52:50 PM |
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Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and the
50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his tiny OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it,
the truth is: MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies,
so they certainly new the market better than IBM did.
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day.
Most of their money comes from selling so_called Solutions to big companies.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
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26 May 2005 04:13:12 AM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_BaGp@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and the
50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his tiny
OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it,
the truth is: MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies,
so they certainly new the market better than IBM did.
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day.
Most of their money comes from selling so_called Solutions to big
companies.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
You are wrong about IBM's business plan. Microsoft aimed at retail, not
commercial. And it redistributed, not mastered what it sold.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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26 May 2005 06:45:08 AM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 09:13:12 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_BaGp@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and
the 50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his
tiny
OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it, the truth
is: MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies, so
they certainly new the market better than IBM did.
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day. Most of
their money comes from selling so_called Solutions to big
companies.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
You are wrong about IBM's business plan. Microsoft aimed at retail, not
commercial. And it redistributed, not mastered what it sold.
Relf has problems with Reality.
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Rick
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/sound/2cents.wav>
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26 May 2005 04:59:56 AM |
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In article <pan.2005.05.26.11.45.06.862456@trollfeed.com>,
Rick <none@trollfeed.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2005 09:13:12 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_BaGp@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and
the 50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his
tiny
OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it, the truth
is: MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies, so
they certainly new the market better than IBM did.
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day. Most of
their money comes from selling so_called Solutions to big
companies.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
You are wrong about IBM's business plan. Microsoft aimed at retail, not
commercial. And it redistributed, not mastered what it sold.
Relf has problems with Reality.
A lot of people are having problems with Reality. I also have
serious questions about the word "sold" in the subject line,
but that's for another discussion in a newsgroup far away.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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26 May 2005 05:28:45 PM |
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In article <P5CdnQloxPA0JgjfRVn-gg@rcn.net>, wrote:
A lot of people are having problems with Reality. I also have
serious questions about the word "sold" in the subject line,
but that's for another discussion in a newsgroup far away.
afc?
leo
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27 May 2005 03:45:41 AM |
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In article <leo-B34262.15284526052005@news.supernews.com>,
Leonard Blaisdell <leo@greatbasin.com> wrote:
In article <P5CdnQloxPA0JgjfRVn-gg@rcn.net>, wrote:
A lot of people are having problems with Reality. I also have
serious questions about the word "sold" in the subject line,
but that's for another discussion in a newsgroup far away.
afc?
<GRIN> Only on the days when somebody has been bit in the
***** again and has to vent. ;-)
/BAH
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25 May 2005 10:01:30 PM |
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In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_BaGp@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and the
50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his tiny OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it,
the truth is: MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies,
so they certainly new the market better than IBM did.
Actually, you're talking about *later* products, not the ripped-off
BASIC for hobbyist computers that Gates got his real start with.
This is well before the CP/M and DOS days.
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25 May 2005 09:43:53 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day.
Most Fortune 500 companies are really Foundations.
They have so much cash in the bank, anything they do is gravy.
IBM makes half of it's money from real estate and other investments. When
IBM was in its heydey, it built buildings in every city and hamlet. Now
those buildings rent for high fees.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
The only reason M$ displaced Apple in the first place was the business and
then DoD adopted it because it was IBM's standard.
Now that Linux servers are displacing M$, Linux is the thing to be
compatible with. Jeff Relf doesn't hold a job -- he wouldn't know these
things.
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25 May 2005 10:26:23 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, Rick and Chad_Irby, John falsely assumed:
The only reason M$ displaced Apple in the first place was
the business and then DoD adopted it because it was IBM's standard.
DOS caught on because it was good enough and cheap enough.
Apple only ever wanted the snooty crowd, so that's what they got.
Crazy_Drunk on Linux, John predicted:
Now that Linux servers are displacing M$,
Linux is the thing to be compatible with.
Jeff Relf doesn't hold a job -- he wouldn't know these things.
Unlike you John, I've held the same job for the last 12 years,
targeting Win_XP boxen.
The common desktop user has no idea what Linux is, nor does he want to.
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25 May 2005 10:46:18 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
The common desktop user has no idea what Linux is, nor does he want to.
The common desktop user is drug free, has a job and wants good quality
products like Linux.
You, Jeff, have nothing in /commmon/ with the *Common* user!
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26 May 2005 05:50:00 AM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 00:52:50 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Rick, Chad_Irby and Doug,
Re: MicroSoft's command of the CP/M market when IBM came calling, and the
50 thousand it paid to some Seattle moron to get full rights to his tiny
OS,
Chad_Irby said MicroSoft stole it, Rick said they Sold it, the truth is:
MicroSoft ReSold it.
Back in 1981, MicroSoft sold hardware that ran various CP/M work_alikes,
their Products were sold to individual users, not big companies, so they
certainly new the market better than IBM did.
IBM mostly has no Products in that market to this very day. Most of
their money comes from selling so_called Solutions to big companies.
MicroSoft's Products are sold to individual users, not big companies.
.... and then IBM produced the IBM 5150, it became a hit, and because of
that Gates became a billionaire.
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25 May 2005 09:21:01 PM |
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In article <cirby-243A60.18501025052005@news-server2.tampabay.rr.com>,
Chad Irby <cirby@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
In article <Jeff_Relf_2005_May_25_CvpZ@Cotse.NET>,
Jeff_Relf <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote:
Hi Doug,
While IBM makes it's money selling so_called Solutions to huge companies,
MicroSoft, even before it's contract with IBM, was selling to Individuals,
...individuals with desktops.
Yes, it was selling what was effectively a ripoff of someone else's
software.
Somebody needs to do a 'Thought Thieves' entry based on this little bit
of history.
(http://www.msn.co.uk/thoughtthieves/)
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20 May 2005 02:27:01 AM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 03:18:31 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, In news:Jeff_Relf_2005_May_16_ZfIl@Cotse.NET, I said:
Retail_Consumers that made MicroSoft rich, not IBM. and then I recounted
MicroSoft's 1980/1981 timeline.
and you replied: Huh ? All this tells me is that
until IBM annointed Microsoft it was just another startup that was
trying to stay afloat and probably headed for chapter 11.
Let's play " Alternative Universe " and suppose that IBM chose
somebody else instead of them to be their waterboy. It might go
something like this: ...
IBM doesn't even sell desktops anymore, that's how important they were.
You are dumber than a rock. At the time, IBM was 'the environment', as in
nobody ever got fired for buying IBM'. At the time, 'PCs' weren't even
called 'PCs'. That didn't become until IBM marketed its 'Personal
Computer', which legitimized the microcomputer in the eyes of business. At
the time there weren't spreadsheets for DOS, but there were for DOS 3.1
(do you even know what that is?) and do you know why there weren't any
spreadsheets for DOS? Do you know who made the first spreadsheets, and
what OS/computer it ran on?
At the time, CP/M was the big deal in microcomputer operating systems. At
the time, IBM was the big deal behemoth in computer manufacturers. At the
time micor$oft was this little company selling languages.
You are totally clueless, extremely dishonest, or both. m$'s market
dominance comes from IBM's choosing m$'s (at the time non-existant) OS to
put on IBM's Personal Computer.
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20 May 2005 03:02:23 PM |
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Hi Rick and Bailo, I said that MicroSoft
was always more important than IBM in the retail desktop market,
And Rick replied: Man, am I dumber than a rock ! ?
I thought IBM was, in 1981, ' the environment ', as in
nobody ever got fired for buying IBM'.
Imagine it's 1981 and I go buy myself a desktop, it's not an IBM.
Who the hell is going to fire me ? I bought it for myself. Get it ? !
You asked me: Do you know why there weren't any spreadsheets for DOS ?
MicroSoft's Multiplan was already in the works in 1980,
DOS didn't come out until late 1981.
IBM is a tiny player in the retail desktop market, always has been.
MicroSoft has always dwarfed it.
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20 May 2005 04:47:11 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Rick and Bailo, I said that MicroSoft
was always more important than IBM in the retail desktop market,
And Rick replied: Man, am I dumber than a rock ! ?
I thought IBM was, in 1981, ' the environment ', as in
nobody ever got fired for buying IBM'.
Imagine it's 1981 and I go buy myself a desktop, it's not an IBM.
Who the hell is going to fire me ? I bought it for myself. Get it ? !
You asked me: Do you know why there weren't any spreadsheets for DOS ?
MicroSoft's Multiplan was already in the works in 1980,
DOS didn't come out until late 1981.
IBM is a tiny player in the retail desktop market, always has been.
MicroSoft has always dwarfed it.
Microsoft's first entry into the retail market was Web TV.
Everything before that was OEM.
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| Title: MicroSoft's products for the retail consumer. |
20 May 2005 05:29:48 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, You dreamed:
Microsoft's first entry into the retail market was Web TV.
Everything before that was OEM.
It doesn't matter whether you buy directly from MicroSoft or not,
MicroSoft's products, even during the 70s, were sold to retail consumers.
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21 May 2005 03:25:01 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, You dreamed:
Microsoft's first entry into the retail market was Web TV.
Everything before that was OEM.
It doesn't matter whether you buy directly from MicroSoft or not,
MicroSoft's products, even during the 70s, were sold to retail consumers.
Here is a list of US Suse retailers:
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/resellers/us/index.html
SUSE Linux is available from the following U.S. and Canadian retailers,
among others. To buy SUSE products outside of the US and Canada, please
refer to our International Resellers page.
* Amazon.com
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SUSE LINUX resellers and distributors
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Please click on the map to find a distributor or reseller in your country.
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20 May 2005 05:42:33 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, You dreamed:
Microsoft's first entry into the retail market was Web TV.
Everything before that was OEM.
It doesn't matter whether you buy directly from MicroSoft or not,
MicroSoft's products, even during the 70s, were sold to retail consumers.
Microsoft only produced two products before XBox that were truly
designed to be picked up by a consumer in a store and taken home ( retail ).
(1) Bob
(2) MSN Web TV
Both were failures.
Now the XBox is failing and 360 is a desparate resusitation. Sony is
the retail champion...now...and in the future!
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: MicroSoft's products. |
20 May 2005 06:33:30 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, You claim retailers aren't selling MicroSoft's products ?
That's just stupid. I bought MicroSoft's Trackball_Explorer from a retailer.
Same for Win_XP, Visual_Studio, Office.
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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| Title: WebTV and Bob: The only Standalone Products. |
20 May 2005 06:47:36 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi John_Bailo, You claim retailers aren't selling MicroSoft's products ?
That's just stupid. I bought MicroSoft's Trackball_Explorer from a retailer.
Same for Win_XP, Visual_Studio, Office.
And the number of people who do that is exactly almost nil...because
those are not standalone products.
Except for Bob and Web TV, all the other products M$ OEMs are highly
dependent on having chains sell the products as 'add ons' to a computer
purchase. In order words, the same as the OS. They don't 'sell'
anything -- they license it and hope people just press the button and
ask for that product.
The only two products that they actively marketed direct as standalone
products to the consumer are Bob and WebTv.
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