Science > Physics > Grahics drawer wanted to show light source dependency
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"Jim Greenfield" |
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11 Jun 2004 09:24:39 PM |
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Grahics drawer wanted to show light source dependency |
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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12 Jun 2004 11:40:44 AM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What you need to do is read some books about relativity first, then rephrase
your question.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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13 Jun 2004 08:41:47 PM |
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message news:<imGyc.15$xm2.49634@news.uswest.net>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What you need to do is read some books about relativity first, then rephrase
your question.
Can't you read? Where is the question mark? I am making a request! If
some one was prepared to do this for me, THEN he/she can question me,
as to what is REQUIRED....... and WHY (so as to better understand the
construction of the diagrams)
It is quite obvious that I will not get a volunteer from amongst the
DHR's here, although many would no doubt have the computer smarts to
do so. After all, it is VERY counter to their views.
Jim G
Jim G
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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| Title: Re: Grahics drawer wanted to show light source dependency |
13 Jun 2004 09:59:07 PM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What you need to do is read some books about relativity first, then
rephrase
your question.
Can't you read?
Can't you think, crackpot?
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| User: "" |
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13 Jun 2004 10:38:10 PM |
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Jim Greenfield <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can't you read? Where is the question mark? I am making a request! If
some one was prepared to do this for me, THEN he/she can question me,
as to what is REQUIRED....... and WHY (so as to better understand the
construction of the diagrams)
It is quite obvious that I will not get a volunteer from amongst the
DHR's here, although many would no doubt have the computer smarts to
do so. After all, it is VERY counter to their views.
Jim G
Oh, everyone (well, most anyway) here can read.
Problem is you are asking for someone to give you a picture of the
icebergs on the Sun
In simple terms, you made an asinine request.
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Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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14 Jun 2004 08:27:23 PM |
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wrote in message news:<caj6j2$n2e$2@mail.specsol.com>...
Jim Greenfield <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can't you read? Where is the question mark? I am making a request! If
some one was prepared to do this for me, THEN he/she can question me,
as to what is REQUIRED....... and WHY (so as to better understand the
construction of the diagrams)
It is quite obvious that I will not get a volunteer from amongst the
DHR's here, although many would no doubt have the computer smarts to
do so. After all, it is VERY counter to their views.
Jim G
Oh, everyone (well, most anyway) here can read.
Problem is you are asking for someone to give you a picture of the
icebergs on the Sun
In simple terms, you made an asinine request.
To you, as a TRUE BELIEVER, and stalwart disciple of Albert E, maybe.
If I was requiring a portrait to be made of the Madonna, no doubt your
reply would be exactly the same-- (impossible to draw someone who
never existed).
However, if such a picture came to light, of proven provenance circa
year 1,
then your position is tenuous, to say the least.......
You should at least be a little curious....... (but sound more
fearful)
Jim G
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| User: "" |
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14 Jun 2004 09:07:51 PM |
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Jim Greenfield <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com wrote in message news:<caj6j2$n2e$2@mail.specsol.com>...
Jim Greenfield <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can't you read? Where is the question mark? I am making a request! If
some one was prepared to do this for me, THEN he/she can question me,
as to what is REQUIRED....... and WHY (so as to better understand the
construction of the diagrams)
It is quite obvious that I will not get a volunteer from amongst the
DHR's here, although many would no doubt have the computer smarts to
do so. After all, it is VERY counter to their views.
Jim G
Oh, everyone (well, most anyway) here can read.
Problem is you are asking for someone to give you a picture of the
icebergs on the Sun
In simple terms, you made an asinine request.
To you, as a TRUE BELIEVER, and stalwart disciple of Albert E, maybe.
If I was requiring a portrait to be made of the Madonna, no doubt your
reply would be exactly the same-- (impossible to draw someone who
never existed).
Childish twaddle.
However, if such a picture came to light, of proven provenance circa
year 1,
then your position is tenuous, to say the least.......
You should at least be a little curious....... (but sound more
fearful)
Since my first exposure to doppler radar was 1968, and having dealt with
such things at the design level over the past 30+ years, I think I have
at least a vague understanding of elecromagnetic propagation and how it
works.
What devices based on elecromagnetic propagation have you built that
worked as designed?
The only thing I'm curious about is where you get your asinine ideas
that have absolutely no foundation in either theory or proven engineering
fact.
Any fear you perceive is just another fantasy.
Since what you want is pure fantasy, I would suggest you contact Dream
Works; they are very good at animating fantasy.
In fact, I think they already did you; weren't you the sidekick in
Shrek?
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Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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12 Jun 2004 06:17:02 AM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Troll warning.
Greenfield is an imbecile of the malicious Spaceman kind:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GDefence.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/OneDim.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gullible.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/RelativityCancer.html
Dirk Vdm
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14 Jun 2004 09:00:42 AM |
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(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What do you pay?
Socks
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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16 Jun 2004 03:01:36 AM |
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wrote in message news:<c7976c46.0406140600.186b53ae@posting.google.com>...
greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What do you pay?
Socks
Looks like I will have to find someone local with the simple graphics
program required, and pay them in cash (just in case the amount
"shrinks" due to the high velocities involved on the internet)
jg
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17 Jun 2004 09:15:59 AM |
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(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406160001.1c2de3bc@posting.google.com>...
puppet_sock@hotmail.com wrote in message news:<c7976c46.0406140600.186b53ae@posting.google.com>...
(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
What do you pay?
Socks
Looks like I will have to find someone local with the simple graphics
program required, and pay them in cash (just in case the amount
"shrinks" due to the high velocities involved on the internet)
Still, what do you pay?
Socks
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:28:45 PM |
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wrote in message news:<c7976c46.0406170615.30edbb8f@posting.google.com>...
greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406160001.1c2de3bc@posting.google.com>...
wrote in message news:<c7976c46.0406140600.186b53ae@posting.google.com>...
greenfield_7@hotmail.com (Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Socks,
I have discovered (locally) that the animated diagramatical drawing I
require would take an amount of time (by a cluey operator) to produce
which I cannot finance (many hours). He mentioned multiple layered GIF
files, and even then the addition of text would be problematical.
Apart from that, the tone of your previous replies suggest that a Bin
Laden could appear could appear in my presentation at any
time............so thanks........but "no thanks"!
Jim G
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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24 Jun 2004 01:14:03 AM |
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(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Representation is for the path of light in a train whether stationary
or in motion, as viewed from perspective of passenger and platform
(Albert E):
Looks like this in still frame
A A' B --> B' C
C'
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1 1
1
1 1 1 1
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A" B"
C"
System A A" A' represents path of a photon emitted at A (ceiling of
train) and progressing to A" (mirror) and return with train
stationary, OR as seen by passenger.
B B" B' is the path that the photon takes as seen by AE on the
platform if the train is moving right (in this case, at about .5c)
C C" C' is the same as A A" A' acting in SYNCRONISATION
The path velocities in the vertical axis are ALL fixed together, and
therefore have the SAME PERIOD; ergo, the three systems are
syncronised clocks, which generate certain paths in THE SAME TIMES.
Path B system is clearly longer! Why? Because the motion of B (source)
has ADDED vector velocity to its photon.
Why did the passenger not notice the extra distance which the photon
travelled? Because he was denied the information. If he could see the
background, as AE could from the platform, the passenger too would
have concluded that his photon had also travelled a longer
path........
.......and that is why systems A B & C all arrive back at their sources
TOGETHER.
There was NO extra time taken due to the trains motion- B travelled
further!
Jim G
Light is source dependent
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:09:13 PM |
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(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406232214.5666cd25@posting.google.com>...
(Jim Greenfield) wrote in message news:<3c4afb26.0406111824.43fcd09b@posting.google.com>...
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Representation is for the path of light in a train whether stationary
or in motion, as viewed from perspective of passenger and platform
(Albert E):
Looks like this in still frame
A A' B --> B' C C'
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1
A" B" "C"
System A A" A' represents path of a photon emitted at A (ceiling of
train) and progressing to A" (mirror) and return with train
stationary, OR as seen by passenger.
B B" B' is the path that the photon takes as seen by AE on the
platform if the train is moving right (in this case, at about .5c)
C C" C' is the same as A A" A' acting in SYNCRONISATION
The path velocities in the vertical axis are ALL fixed together, and
therefore have the SAME PERIOD; ergo, the three systems are
syncronised clocks, which generate certain paths in THE SAME TIMES.
Path B system is clearly longer! Why? Because the motion of B (source)
has ADDED vector velocity to its photon.
Why did the passenger not notice the extra distance which the photon
travelled? Because he was denied the information. If he could see the
background, as AE could from the platform, the passenger too would
have concluded that his photon had also travelled a longer
path........
......and that is why systems A B & C all arrive back at their sources
TOGETHER.
There was NO extra time taken due to the trains motion- B travelled
further!
Jim G
Light is source dependent
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12 Jun 2004 09:59:40 AM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source,
Idiot. No such person exists. Lightspeed is independent of the
perceived velocity of any inertial observer.
to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity.
Hey stooopid, there are no observed exceptions to General Relativity
in any venue, particle physics to cosmology
<http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume4/2001-4will/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
Experimental constraints on General Relativity.
<http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume6/2003-1ashby/index.html>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
Relativity in the GPS system
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0306076.pdf
<http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/gps/absolute-gps-1meter-3.ASP>
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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11 Jun 2004 09:33:52 PM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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12 Jun 2004 02:16:20 AM |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40CA6B8E.CB8C10CF@mchsi.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
Look up "Andromeda+blue shift". The galaxy is adding its velocity to
that of the photons which it is emitting.....
Jim G
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12 Jun 2004 02:48:55 PM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c4afb26.0406112316.323de912@posting.google.com...
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:<40CA6B8E.CB8C10CF@mchsi.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw
(preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein
came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to
velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
Look up "Andromeda+blue shift". The galaxy is adding its velocity to
that of the photons which it is emitting.....
On the contrary, it is causing a Doppler shift of the emitted light.
Study the Doppler effect in SR before putting your foot in it.
Franz
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12 Jun 2004 11:41:45 AM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c4afb26.0406112316.323de912@posting.google.com...
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:<40CA6B8E.CB8C10CF@mchsi.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
Look up "Andromeda+blue shift". The galaxy is adding its velocity to
that of the photons which it is emitting.....
I take it back... you don't need to read a book on relativity, you need a
brain.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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12 Jun 2004 05:12:54 AM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40CA6B8E.CB8C10CF@mchsi.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
Look up "Andromeda+blue shift". The galaxy is adding its velocity to
that of the photons which it is emitting.....
Jim G
The photons are traveling at the speed of light and the wavelengths are
shifted to the blue because the Andromeda galaxy has velocity TOWARD us.
SR and the Doppler effect are correct. Andromeda and the Milky Way will
have an interaction (collision, pass through, disruption) in a few
billion years.
Jim, you really should read up on the Doppler effect on light.
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17 Jun 2004 06:14:05 AM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40CA6B8E.CB8C10CF@mchsi.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
Hey Jim--The speed of light is a fundamental constant of the
universe. See Doppler Effect for the effect on light of the
relative motion between light source and observer!
Don't listen to cranks on the internet.
Look up "Andromeda+blue shift".
Yes. So what? This *contradicts* your point and *proves* Sam's.
The galaxy is adding its velocity to
that of the photons which it is emitting.....
Err, no. The speed of light from Andromeda is still c. The velocity of
Andromeda isn't added to the velocity of the photons.
Bye,
Bjoern
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11 Jun 2004 10:02:23 PM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
Thanks
Jim G
The speed of light is constant and the same for all observers.
For you to claim otherwise flies in the face of centuries of
empirical data of observation and experiment.
Speed of Light
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpeedofLight.html
The speed of light is independent of the motion of the source
and/or observer. There has never been a prediction of Special
Relativity (in its domain) that has been contradicted by an
observation. NEVER!
Jim, this means that you misunderstand this fundamental fact
about our universe. I am not trying to deceive you!
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| User: "MorituriMax" |
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11 Jun 2004 09:35:14 PM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its source?
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
I hope this is just a joke, or perhaps a cry for help from someone who has no
idea what the heck is dribbling down over their lower lip.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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12 Jun 2004 02:26:37 AM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<CZtyc.20358$KL2.15047@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw (preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise stated. SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
animated) diagrams for posting, which demonstrate how Einstein came to
his original (erroneous) postulate of time changing due to velocity. I
will describe the detailed scenario via email.
I hope this is just a joke, or perhaps a cry for help from someone who has no
idea what the heck is dribbling down over their lower lip.
Do YOU, like SW, like to think the twang of a guitar string is the
equivalent situation of that of a photon crossing quadrillions of
miles of space (vacuum)??
Get on board! Share the Nobel!
Jim G
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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12 Jun 2004 02:48:55 PM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
news:<CZtyc.20358$KL2.15047@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of a pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed as waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have taken that
on board.
[snip]
Franz
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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13 Jun 2004 08:33:37 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<cafmn7$hk2$5@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
news:<CZtyc.20358$KL2.15047@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of a pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed as waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have taken that
on board.
If you think that a ripple on a pond , is "the equivalent" of an EM
particle travelling through (nearly) empty space, then I most
certainly WILL NOT be boarding you boat!! It is in immediate and dire
risk of going down with all hands!!!!!!!!!
Jim G
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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14 Jun 2004 03:02:39 AM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c4afb26.0406131733.5fe040d8@posting.google.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<cafmn7$hk2$5@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c4afb26.0406112326.78c7361d@posting.google.com...
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
news:<CZtyc.20358$KL2.15047@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light
in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its
source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of a
pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed as
waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have taken
that
on board.
If you think that a ripple on a pond , is "the equivalent" of an EM
particle travelling through (nearly) empty space, then I most
certainly WILL NOT be boarding you boat!! It is in immediate and
dire
risk of going down with all hands!!!!!!!!!
I don't. I merely pointed out an interesting feature of the source
independence of the speed of ripples on a pond
Franz
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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14 Jun 2004 08:11:55 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<cajm2u$8uh$7@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<cafmn7$hk2$5@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
news:<CZtyc.20358$KL2.15047@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of light
in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its
source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of a
pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed as
waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have taken
that
on board.
If you think that a ripple on a pond , is "the equivalent" of an EM
particle travelling through (nearly) empty space, then I most
certainly WILL NOT be boarding you boat!! It is in immediate and
dire
risk of going down with all hands!!!!!!!!!
I don't. I merely pointed out an interesting feature of the source
independence of the speed of ripples on a pond
Franz
Well since we are not discussing frogs, please refrain from wasting
space on Usenet with this set of
0011010100010101010101100111010101010100
Jim G
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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15 Jun 2004 02:14:28 PM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of
light
in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to
draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its
source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise
stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the
same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities
very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of
a
pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed
as
waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have
taken
that
on board.
If you think that a ripple on a pond , is "the equivalent" of an
EM
particle travelling through (nearly) empty space, then I most
certainly WILL NOT be boarding you boat!! It is in immediate and
dire
risk of going down with all hands!!!!!!!!!
I don't. I merely pointed out an interesting feature of the
source
independence of the speed of ripples on a pond
Well since we are not discussing frogs, please refrain from wasting
space on Usenet with this set of
0011010100010101010101100111010101010100
I know. But we were discussing source-independence of waves.
I guess the penny still has not dropped.
Franz
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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16 Jun 2004 02:54:55 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<canhqk$do2$10@titan.btinternet.com>...
"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
I require someone who understands that the velocity of
light
in
a
vacuum is dependent on the velocity of its source, to
draw
(preferably
What drugs are you on? Dependant on the velocity of its
source?
ALL my references to c are in a vacuum, unless otherwise
stated.
SOoo,
do YOU think that the photons emitted from a parked car are
travelling
at the same velocity of one which passes it?????????
Actually, yes. To any observer, the speed of light is the
same,
irrespectively of the speed of the source relative to him.
This has been verified experimentally up to source velocities
very
close to that of light itself.
By the way, do you realise that for an observer at the edge of
a
pond,
surface waves produced by a moving source have the same speed
as
waves
produced by a fixed source? Don't come back until you have
taken
that
on board.
If you think that a ripple on a pond , is "the equivalent" of an
EM
particle travelling through (nearly) empty space, then I most
certainly WILL NOT be boarding you boat!! It is in immediate and
dire
risk of going down with all hands!!!!!!!!!
I don't. I merely pointed out an interesting feature of the
source
independence of the speed of ripples on a pond
Well since we are not discussing frogs, please refrain from wasting
space on Usenet with this set of
0011010100010101010101100111010101010100
I know. But we were discussing source-independence of waves.
I guess the penny still has not dropped.
You might have been! I was discussing source dependence of particles
(in this case, photons). If you think that photons are NOT particles,
carry on.........
Jim G
PS: As you are so nautically minded, perhaps you would have noticed
that the bow-wave of a boat has a little to do with the boat's
velocity :-)
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| User: "Martin Hogbin" |
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12 Jun 2004 03:28:58 AM |
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"Jim Greenfield" <greenfield_7@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c4afb26.0406112326.78c7361d@posting.google.com...
Get on board! Share the Nobel!
The Nobel Prize for optimism I presume.
Martin Hogbin
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