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"kumar" |
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19 Jan 2007 04:45:51 AM |
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Heat- if prime energy? |
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation and can be
expressed by temperature of an object?
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in atmospheric heat or
mixed in "prime force/energy", if it is prime.
Best wishes.
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 06:54:42 AM |
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Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because nothing in
the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is sort of a dead form
of useful work. A living body maintains an internal temperature
to keep chemical reactions at a certain rate, and to favor
certain reaction balances.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 07:17:25 AM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because nothing in
the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is sort of a dead form
of useful work. A living body maintains an internal temperature
to keep chemical reactions at a certain rate, and to favor
certain reaction balances.
David A. Smith
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think gravity
also) are four fundamental forces/interactions. Can't one prime force
to all these four forces be thought/possible?
What energies a person lose, when he dies? Losing may not be dying of
quantum world, but just transfer from body to environment?
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| User: "WillE1" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
21 Jan 2007 12:03:33 AM |
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"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169212645.638706.137530@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because nothing in
the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is sort of a dead form
of useful work. A living body maintains an internal temperature
to keep chemical reactions at a certain rate, and to favor
certain reaction balances.
David A. Smith
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think gravity
also) are four fundamental forces/interactions. Can't one prime force
to all these four forces be thought/possible?
What energies a person lose, when he dies? Losing may not be dying of
quantum world, but just transfer from body to environment?
I think you are looking for 'Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water'. Can't get more
elemental than that, (At least from this paradigm). WillE1
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
21 Jan 2007 01:45:17 AM |
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WillE1 wrote:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169212645.638706.137530@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because nothing in
the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is sort of a dead form
of useful work. A living body maintains an internal temperature
to keep chemical reactions at a certain rate, and to favor
certain reaction balances.
David A. Smith
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think gravity
also) are four fundamental forces/interactions. Can't one prime force
to all these four forces be thought/possible?
What energies a person lose, when he dies? Losing may not be dying of
quantum world, but just transfer from body to environment?
I think you are looking for 'Earth, Wind, Fire, and Water'. Can't get more
elemental than that, (At least from this paradigm). WillE1
Space also.
But earth, water & wind are not even elements, space may also be having
many mixings so fire only can be thought as prime out of these. :)
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
22 Jan 2007 09:17:08 PM |
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kumar wrote:
WillE1 wrote:
more to think;
"In a nuclear power plant, atoms of fissionable material such as
uranium are split into fast-moving ions, and these products produce
intense heat after they strike and are stopped by the materials of the
fuel rods and reactor cooling fluid. This heat is then used to generate
steam from water, which in turn is used very conventionally in a steam
turbine to produce electricity.
Conversion of one form of energy to another may be done with very high
or even perfect efficiency, unless the energy begins in the form of
heat. The conversion of heat into other forms of energy is never
perfect, and (according to the second law of thermodynamics) must
always be accompanied by an increase in entropy, which is usually
(though not always) accomplished simply by the further dissipation of a
fraction of the heat into a colder bodies, still remaining as heat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conversion "
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 07:17:14 AM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because nothing in
the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is sort of a dead form
of useful work. A living body maintains an internal temperature
to keep chemical reactions at a certain rate, and to favor
certain reaction balances.
David A. Smith
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think gravity
also) are four fundamental forces/interactions. Can't one prime force
to all these four forces be thought/possible?
What energies a person lose, when he dies? Losing may not dying of
quantum world, but just transfer from body to environment?
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| User: "dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 08:18:58 AM |
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Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because
nothing in the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is
sort of a dead form of useful work. A living body maintains
an internal temperature to keep chemical reactions at a
certain rate, and to favor certain reaction balances.
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think
gravity also) are four fundamental forces/interactions.
Gravity is consistent with not being a force, but whatever.
Can't one prime force to all these four forces be thought /
possible?
Sure. Light. If the bound / system result has size, light is involved
in more than determination of size.
What energies a person lose, when he dies?
Just heat. "Information", "order", or "soul" is not energy.
Losing may not dying of quantum world, but just transfer
from body to environment?
The answer will depend on religion or philosophy. Science cannot
answer this for you. Since it is not Sunday, I won't start preaching
Martian.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 10:12:28 AM |
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dlzc wrote:
Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169203551.145872.38980@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
Whether all type energies land into heat by dissipation
and can be expressed by temperature of an object?
No.
As such, can heat be considered as "prime force/energy"?
No.
A dead person loses his heat which dissiate in
atmospheric heat or mixed in "prime force/energy", if
it is prime.
It isn't.
Light, strong, and weak interaction forces are the prime
force/energy. They don't change when you die, because
nothing in the quantum world ever dies or ages. Heat is
sort of a dead form of useful work. A living body maintains
an internal temperature to keep chemical reactions at a
certain rate, and to favor certain reaction balances.
Thanks. Light, strong, and weak interaction forces (I think
gravity also) are four fundamental forces/interactions.
Gravity is consistent with not being a force, but whatever.
Yes, although classified, still under controversies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction
Can't one prime force to all these four forces be thought /
possible?
Sure. Light. If the bound / system result has size, light is involved
in more than determination of size.
What energies a person lose, when he dies?
Just heat. "Information", "order", or "soul" is not energy.
Where that heat goes?
Losing may not dying of quantum world, but just transfer
from body to environment?
The answer will depend on religion or philosophy. Science cannot
answer this for you. Since it is not Sunday, I won't start preaching
Martian.
David A. Smith
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| User: "dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 10:22:47 AM |
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Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
dlzc wrote:
Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
....
What energies a person lose, when he dies?
Just heat. "Information", "order", or "soul" is not
energy.
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up, so that initial
heat goes nowhere.
When the Sun loses heat, it does not die. When an oven loses heat, it
does not die. When you place a person in a vacuum dewar to prevent
loss of heat, they do not necessarily stay alive.
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The Universe
expands and cools. Do not look outside yourself for your answers about
souls.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 07:29:00 PM |
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dlzc wrote:
Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
dlzc wrote:
Dear kumar:
kumar wrote:
...
What energies a person lose, when he dies?
Just heat. "Information", "order", or "soul" is not
energy.
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up, so that initial
heat goes nowhere.
Sorry, still it is not clear where dissiated heat goes in atmosphere? I
think, we knows where light goes and its speed. What about heat?
I think motions/activities are dependant on heat.
When the Sun loses heat, it does not die. When an oven loses heat, it
does not die. When you place a person in a vacuum dewar to prevent
loss of heat, they do not necessarily stay alive.
That heat is in process. We, when live, also radiate heat. How can you
differanciate between radiated heat in process from a body and last
heat? A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last heat when
fused. That last heat is bit more bright or may be more hotter. How? >
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The Universe
expands and cools. Do not look outside yourself for your answers about
souls.
David A. Smith
When a body loses heat, how it will impact atmospheric heat? Trying to
find science of anything is just science.
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 08:30:58 PM |
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Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169256540.020939.254260@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
....
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up,
so that initial heat goes nowhere.
Sorry, still it is not clear where dissiated heat goes
in atmosphere? I think, we knows where light goes
and its speed. What about heat?
OK, heat is convected into the atmosphere, and conducted into the
soil. It is also radiated both upwards and downwards. Some of
it goes into space, some of it stays in the ground. In general,
the human body is slightly warmer than Earth proper. So our heat
in some part returns to the Sun and also out into space.
I think motions/activities are dependant on heat.
In a sense that is correct.
When the Sun loses heat, it does not die. When an
oven loses heat, it does not die. When you place a
person in a vacuum dewar to prevent loss of heat,
they do not necessarily stay alive.
That heat is in process. We, when live, also radiate
heat. How can you differanciate between radiated heat
in process from a body and last heat?
You cannot so differentiate. Heat is simply energy in one form.
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent lights don't
get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out. Most of the
incandescent lights I have burn out, do so on startup, adn they
neither get hotter nor brighter than when they run normally.
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The
Universe expands and cools. Do not look outside
yourself for your answers about souls.
When a body loses heat, how it will impact atmospheric
heat? Trying to find science of anything is just science.
And the answer is... it depends. Sometimes the atmosphere is
warmer than the body, and the body heats up. Sometimes the
atmosphere is colder and the body cools down. Sometimes the body
gets a fever but continues to live. Sometimes the body's
temperature drops very low, and the body continues to live.
Heat is not your answer.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 11:32:15 PM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169256540.020939.254260@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
...
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up,
so that initial heat goes nowhere.
Sorry, still it is not clear where dissiated heat goes
in atmosphere? I think, we knows where light goes
and its speed. What about heat?
OK, heat is convected into the atmosphere, and conducted into the
soil. It is also radiated both upwards and downwards. Some of
it goes into space, some of it stays in the ground. In general,
the human body is slightly warmer than Earth proper. So our heat
in some part returns to the Sun and also out into space.
Means, either it stay in enivironment or goes into bodies?
When any body releses heat, does it change environmental
temperature/heat even minutely?
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released heat by a body?
I think motions/activities are dependant on heat.
In a sense that is correct.
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on heat or heat on motions?
Pls tell me about heat relations with four fundamental forces?
When the Sun loses heat, it does not die. When an
oven loses heat, it does not die. When you place a
person in a vacuum dewar to prevent loss of heat,
they do not necessarily stay alive.
That heat is in process. We, when live, also radiate
heat. How can you differanciate between radiated heat
in process from a body and last heat?
You cannot so differentiate. Heat is simply energy in one form.
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent lights don't
get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out. Most of the
incandescent lights I have burn out, do so on startup, adn they
neither get hotter nor brighter than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light? Can we
diffferenciate between last light/heat released from any body than when
it was in process?
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The
Universe expands and cools. Do not look outside
yourself for your answers about souls.
When a body loses heat, how it will impact atmospheric
heat? Trying to find science of anything is just science.
And the answer is... it depends. Sometimes the atmosphere is
warmer than the body, and the body heats up. Sometimes the
atmosphere is colder and the body cools down. Sometimes the body
gets a fever but continues to live. Sometimes the body's
temperature drops very low, and the body continues to live.
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat from any body
in environment?
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are consolidated from
heat--so temp. cooled down AND all forces/energies can be converted
into heat which may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means +absolute zero.
Heat is not your answer.
David A. Smith
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
19 Jan 2007 11:46:26 PM |
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Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169271134.988726.215530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169256540.020939.254260@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
...
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up,
so that initial heat goes nowhere.
Sorry, still it is not clear where dissiated heat goes
in atmosphere? I think, we knows where light goes
and its speed. What about heat?
OK, heat is convected into the atmosphere, and
conducted into the soil. It is also radiated both
upwards and downwards. Some of it goes into space,
some of it stays in the ground. In general, the human
body is slightly warmer than Earth proper. So our heat
in some part returns to the Sun and also out into space.
Means, either it stay in enivironment or goes into bodies?
It depends. Live or dead? Body temperature above or below
ambient?
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature. A warm body
in a hot room just raises the humidity.
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal energy
storage) of the body.
I think motions/activities are dependant on heat.
In a sense that is correct.
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on heat
or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
....
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough to produce
UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the Sun. But it is a
vacuum, and consequently, only delivers ~40 deg C to the glass
envelope.
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat released
from any body than when it was in process?
In general, no.
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The
Universe expands and cools. Do not look outside
yourself for your answers about souls.
When a body loses heat, how it will impact atmospheric
heat? Trying to find science of anything is just science.
And the answer is... it depends. Sometimes the
atmosphere is warmer than the body, and the body heats
up. Sometimes the atmosphere is colder and the body
cools down. Sometimes the body gets a fever but
continues to live. Sometimes the body's temperature
drops very low, and the body continues to live.
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite number of
answers.
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In quantum
mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy or heat /
temperature. So what is "prime" or "fundamental" is not heat.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
20 Jan 2007 02:24:14 AM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169271134.988726.215530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169256540.020939.254260@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
...
Where that heat goes?
That depends. In the desert, the body will heat up,
so that initial heat goes nowhere.
Sorry, still it is not clear where dissiated heat goes
in atmosphere? I think, we knows where light goes
and its speed. What about heat?
OK, heat is convected into the atmosphere, and
conducted into the soil. It is also radiated both
upwards and downwards. Some of it goes into space,
some of it stays in the ground. In general, the human
body is slightly warmer than Earth proper. So our heat
in some part returns to the Sun and also out into space.
Means, either it stay in enivironment or goes into bodies?
It depends. Live or dead? Body temperature above or below
ambient?
Whatever. I think in atmosphere,space or in bodies it stays interpreted
by temperature of atmosphere,space or in bodies above absolute zero?
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature. A warm body
in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity? Can we consider increase in temperature of whole
atmosphere very very minutely, if we keep a hot body in open of more
thanatmospheric temp.?
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal energy
storage) of the body.
When a body absorbs heat, its motions will be increased. How energy
/heat used for these increased motions will be calculated, if released
heat is same as absorbed?
I think motions/activities are dependant on heat.
In a sense that is correct.
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on heat
or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
I think that is heat radiated. What about total heat in a live body?
Pls consider body as any body live or dead not just human live body.
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and matters?
...
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough to produce
UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the Sun. But it is a
vacuum, and consequently, only delivers ~40 deg C to the glass
envelope.
How dim or bright light occur in different sources?
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat released
from any body than when it was in process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction persistently?
"Heat" is not "soul". Heat moves from hot to cold. The
Universe expands and cools. Do not look outside
yourself for your answers about souls.
When a body loses heat, how it will impact atmospheric
heat? Trying to find science of anything is just science.
And the answer is... it depends. Sometimes the
atmosphere is warmer than the body, and the body heats
up. Sometimes the atmosphere is colder and the body
cools down. Sometimes the body gets a fever but
continues to live. Sometimes the body's temperature
drops very low, and the body continues to live.
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite number of
answers.
Will it be that; released heat add to temp. of atmosphere minutely?
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In quantum
mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy or heat /
temperature. So what is "prime" or "fundamental" is not heat.
Pls make it bit simple for me.
David A. Smith
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20 Jan 2007 11:19:55 AM |
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Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169281454.754023.114680@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
... trimming down a little ...
Means, either it stay in enivironment or goes into
bodies?
It depends. Live or dead? Body temperature above
or below ambient?
Whatever.
It makes a difference.
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive, ever alive, or
dead. Ones that send out less, receive more. It is called
"thermal equilibrium". Living bodies will tend to produce /
maintain a different temperature than ambient, because the
processes of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and some water
can be used to keep body tissues cooler than ambient.
Can we consider increase in temperature of whole
atmosphere very very minutely, if we keep a hot body
in open of more than atmospheric temp.?
Yes. A fire warms the room it is in. A dog warms a human,
because a dog has a warmer body temperature.
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal
energy storage) of the body.
When a body absorbs heat, its motions will be increased.
Not really. If we are talking a human body, it tends to slow
down, to try and lower its temperature.
How energy /heat used for these increased motions will be
calculated, if released heat is same as absorbed?
Consider concrete and asphalt pavement at "noon" on a summer's
day. Each has a different temperature, yet each is releasing
heat as fast as it comes in (assuming the temperature is near
peak for the day). We would look to the properties for the
surface of each, to describe incident heat, and to describe heat
leaving.
(Google terms in quotes)
Looking to incoming / outbound radiant heat:
"reflectivity transmissivity absorptivity emissivity"
Then if the surface is immersed in a fluid or in contact with a
soild:
"natural convection" "forced convection" conduction
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on heat
or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
I think that is heat radiated.
But your question is answered, heat is not prime... motion is.
What about total heat in a live body? Pls consider
body as any body live or dead not just human live body.
You will have a change in body temperature to equilibrium. If
the body is dead, after some time, the biota will start consuming
the body internally / externally, and the temperature will go up.
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and matters?
Heat, no. Heat stored in a body can add a tiny (likely
unmeasureable... ever) amount of rest mass.
...
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough
to produce UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the
Sun. But it is a vacuum, and consequently, only delivers
~40 deg C to the glass envelope.
How dim or bright light occur in different sources?
Regulate the amount of power disspated in the "lumenous element".
For a filament bulb, you increase the length or decrease the
diameter of the filament. For a fluorescent bulb, you adjust the
number of atoms involved, or change the number of times they get
to accept an electron back on shell per second.
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat
released from any body than when it was in
process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction
persistently?
"last light/heat released" isn't just light, doesn't all stay as
light, and doesn't always stay moving in the same direction. The
light from the CMBR (about 270,000 years after the Big Bang) has
been travelling straight for all this time. So some "last light"
from from a body could go on for a long time, yes. We get
single-photon detections when we send very powerful laser signals
to reflectors on the Moon to meausre the distance, so anything is
possible.
....
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite
number of answers.
Will it be that; released heat add to temp. of atmosphere
minutely?
As you sit in front of your computer, you are
radiating/convecting/conducting your body heat to the room around
you, and it is radiating/convecting/conducting heat back. If it
is balanced, there is no net change in your (or the room's)
temperature. If it isn't balanced (and no real systems are),
then temperatures will go up or down, depending. Your question
has an infinite number of answers.
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In
quantum mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy
or heat / temperature. So what is "prime" or
"fundamental" is not heat.
Pls make it bit simple for me.
I did, but you keep complexifying it. No, heat is not "prime".
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
20 Jan 2007 09:10:03 PM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169281454.754023.114680@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
.. trimming down a little ...
Means, either it stay in enivironment or goes into
bodies?
It depends. Live or dead? Body temperature above
or below ambient?
Whatever.
It makes a difference.
Yes, live body can manipulate/regulate temperature, dead may not.
Living in lower and higer temp. than normal body temp. may add lot of
pressure on body.
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive, ever alive, or
dead. Ones that send out less, receive more. It is called
"thermal equilibrium". Living bodies will tend to produce /
maintain a different temperature than ambient, because the
processes of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
How we feel few metals(may be other objects(dead) bit hotter other bit
cooler at same time?
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and some water
can be used to keep body tissues cooler than ambient.
Thanks. How high humidity can effect bodies?
Can we consider increase in temperature of whole
atmosphere very very minutely, if we keep a hot body
in open of more than atmospheric temp.?
Yes. A fire warms the room it is in. A dog warms a human,
because a dog has a warmer body temperature.
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal
energy storage) of the body.
When a body absorbs heat, its motions will be increased.
Not really. If we are talking a human body, it tends to slow
down, to try and lower its temperature.
Will that not be just manipulating/unnatural?
How energy /heat used for these increased motions will be
calculated, if released heat is same as absorbed?
Consider concrete and asphalt pavement at "noon" on a summer's
day. Each has a different temperature, yet each is releasing
heat as fast as it comes in (assuming the temperature is near
peak for the day). We would look to the properties for the
surface of each, to describe incident heat, and to describe heat
leaving.
(Google terms in quotes)
Looking to incoming / outbound radiant heat:
"reflectivity transmissivity absorptivity emissivity"
Then if the surface is immersed in a fluid or in contact with a
soild:
"natural convection" "forced convection" conduction
When an object (live or dead) lose more heat than absorbed, does that
object lose some mass?
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on heat
or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
I think that is heat radiated.
But your question is answered, heat is not prime... motion is.
What is primary in evolution of earth/universe..heat or motion?
Look;
"The heat death is a possible final state of the universe, in which it
has "run down" to a state of no free energy to sustain motion or life.
In physical terms, it has reached maximum entropy.
Temperature of the universe
Despite the term "heat death", the temperature of the entire universe
would be very close to absolute zero in this scenario. Heat death is
however not quite the same as "cold death" or the "Big Freeze" in which
the universe simply becomes too cold to sustain life due to continued
expansion, though the result is quite similar (see: [1] for a more
detailed explanation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe "
What about total heat in a live body? Pls consider
body as any body live or dead not just human live body.
You will have a change in body temperature to equilibrium. If
the body is dead, after some time, the biota will start consuming
the body internally / externally, and the temperature will go up.
Will that be consolidated temp. of biota?
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
How can we differeanciate Heat is light ?
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and matters?
Heat, no. Heat stored in a body can add a tiny (likely
unmeasureable... ever) amount of rest mass.
Will a person lose that rest mass, if stored heat is released from that
body?
Btw, how heat can be stored in body unequal to ambient heat?
...
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough
to produce UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the
Sun. But it is a vacuum, and consequently, only delivers
~40 deg C to the glass envelope.
How dim or bright light occur in different sources?
Regulate the amount of power disspated in the "lumenous element".
For a filament bulb, you increase the length or decrease the
diameter of the filament. For a fluorescent bulb, you adjust the
number of atoms involved, or change the number of times they get
to accept an electron back on shell per second.
Sorry I meant last light on fuse/end of burning.
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat
released from any body than when it was in
process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction
persistently?
"last light/heat released" isn't just light, doesn't all stay as
light, and doesn't always stay moving in the same direction. The
light from the CMBR (about 270,000 years after the Big Bang) has
been travelling straight for all this time. So some "last light"
from from a body could go on for a long time, yes. We get
single-photon detections when we send very powerful laser signals
to reflectors on the Moon to meausre the distance, so anything is
possible.
As such, can emitted/reflected light/spectrum/heat(?) from a body
persist for long time in its origionally emitted/reflected form?
...
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite
number of answers.
Will it be that; released heat add to temp. of atmosphere
minutely?
As you sit in front of your computer, you are
radiating/convecting/conducting your body heat to the room around
you, and it is radiating/convecting/conducting heat back. If it
is balanced, there is no net change in your (or the room's)
temperature. If it isn't balanced (and no real systems are),
then temperatures will go up or down, depending. Your question
has an infinite number of answers.
If I sit in open?
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In
quantum mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy
or heat / temperature. So what is "prime" or
"fundamental" is not heat.
Pls make it bit simple for me.
I did, but you keep complexifying it. No, heat is not "prime".
Soory, it was unclear to me.
David A. Smith
Thanks for many awnsers.
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
20 Jan 2007 10:44:20 PM |
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Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169349003.451332.218630@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169281454.754023.114680@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
.. trimming down a little ...
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive,
ever alive, or dead. Ones that send out less, receive
more. It is called "thermal equilibrium". Living
bodies will tend to produce / maintain a different
temperature than ambient, because the processes
of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
How we feel few metals(may be other objects(dead)
bit hotter other bit cooler at same time?
What does sensibility (feeling hot or cold) have to do with this?
Metals have surfaces. Surfaces have properties controlling heat
transfer. Metals also can store a lot of heat, and have high
conductivity to deliver that heat within them. A metal can feel
cool to touch, because it is in equilibrium with a room. And
where we have a surface temperature necessary for us to be
comfortable in that room, but the metal serves to
draw-the-heat-from or deliver-it-to us quickly.
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and
some water can be used to keep body tissues cooler
than ambient.
Thanks. How high humidity can effect bodies?
You lose the ability to cool yourself, with high ambient
temperatures. Being near the ocean, near the equator, you will
see what this means.
....
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal
energy storage) of the body.
When a body absorbs heat, its motions will be increased.
Not really. If we are talking a human body, it tends to slow
down, to try and lower its temperature.
Will that not be just manipulating/unnatural?
Is life natural? When I get hot, I try to find a cool place, but
I certainly don't start exerting myself more, because I add to my
heat load.
How energy /heat used for these increased motions
will be calculated, if released heat is same as
absorbed?
Consider concrete and asphalt pavement at "noon" on
a summer's day. Each has a different temperature,
yet each is releasing heat as fast as it comes in
(assuming the temperature is near peak for the day).
We would look to the properties for the surface of each,
to describe incident heat, and to describe heat leaving.
(Google terms in quotes)
Looking to incoming / outbound radiant heat:
"reflectivity transmissivity absorptivity emissivity"
Then if the surface is immersed in a fluid or in contact
with a soild:
"natural convection" "forced convection" conduction
When an object (live or dead) lose more heat than
absorbed, does that object lose some mass?
It is expected to. But this amount will very likely be too small
to measure.
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on
heat or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
I think that is heat radiated.
But your question is answered, heat is not prime...
motion is.
What is primary in evolution of earth/universe..heat
or motion?
Look;
"The heat death is a possible final state of the
universe, in which it has "run down" to a state of no
free energy to sustain motion or life. In physical
terms, it has reached maximum entropy.
Temperature of the universe
Despite the term "heat death",
This is an antequated term, before expansion was realized.
the temperature of the entire universe would be
very close to absolute zero in this scenario. Heat
death is however not quite the same as "cold death"
or the "Big Freeze" in which the universe simply
becomes too cold to sustain life due to continued
expansion, though the result is quite similar (see:
[1] for a more detailed explanation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe "
Are you asking about prime cause, or last state? Motion came
first, and from motion comes entropy (aka. heat).
What about total heat in a live body? Pls consider
body as any body live or dead not just human live
body.
You will have a change in body temperature to
equilibrium. If the body is dead, after some time, the
biota will start consuming the body internally /
externally, and the temperature will go up.
Will that be consolidated temp. of biota?
I don't know what you are asking.
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
How can we differeanciate Heat is light ?
I don't know what you are asking.
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and
matters?
Heat, no. Heat stored in a body can add a
tiny (likely unmeasureable... ever) amount of
rest mass.
Will a person lose that rest mass, if stored heat
is released from that body?
It follows, doesn't it?
Btw, how heat can be stored in body unequal to
ambient heat?
Photosynthesis stores heat not as temperature, but as stable
chemicals. Photocells can be used to do the same. Heat engines
can convert some heat to usable work... but must have a cold
space to transfer the heat to. Humans can turn UV-A light into
small amounts of vitamin D.
...
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough
to produce UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the
Sun. But it is a vacuum, and consequently, only delivers
~40 deg C to the glass envelope.
How dim or bright light occur in different sources?
Regulate the amount of power disspated in the
"lumenous element". For a filament bulb, you increase
the length or decrease the diameter of the filament. For
a fluorescent bulb, you adjust the number of atoms
involved, or change the number of times they get
to accept an electron back on shell per second.
Sorry I meant last light on fuse/end of burning.
I don't understand what you are asking. The intensity of a
fluorescent tube decreases with age. I believe that a filement
bulb is the same, with the bright flash only being bright in
contrast with the darkness that follows.
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat
released from any body than when it was in
process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction
persistently?
"last light/heat released" isn't just light, doesn't all
stay as light, and doesn't always stay moving in the
same direction. The light from the CMBR (about
270,000 years after the Big Bang) has been travelling
straight for all this time. So some "last light" from
from a body could go on for a long time, yes. We get
single-photon detections when we send very powerful
laser signals to reflectors on the Moon to meausre
the distance, so anything is possible.
As such, can emitted/reflected light/spectrum/heat(?)
from a body persist for long time in its origionally
emitted/reflected form?
Not all of it. Most of it will be swamped by the planet and its
atmosphere. But one can imagine that a few photons will travel
outwards until the "end of time".
...
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite
number of answers.
Will it be that; released heat add to temp. of atmosphere
minutely?
As you sit in front of your computer, you are
radiating/convecting/conducting your body heat to the
room around you, and it is radiating / convecting /
conducting heat back. If it is balanced, there is no net
change in your (or the room's) temperature. If it isn't
balanced (and no real systems are), then temperatures
will go up or down, depending. Your question has an
infinite number of answers.
If I sit in open?
And? Have you decreased the number of answers any? Aren't you
still surrounded by an atmosphere in the open? Isn't there still
ground at some average temperature?
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In
quantum mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy
or heat / temperature. So what is "prime" or
"fundamental" is not heat.
Pls make it bit simple for me.
I did, but you keep complexifying it. No, heat is not
"prime".
Soory, it was unclear to me.
Thanks for many awnsers.
Welcome.
David A. Smith
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| User: "kumar" |
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| Title: Re: Heat- if prime energy? |
20 Jan 2007 11:32:13 PM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169349003.451332.218630@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169281454.754023.114680@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
.. trimming down a little ...
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive,
ever alive, or dead. Ones that send out less, receive
more. It is called "thermal equilibrium". Living
bodies will tend to produce / maintain a different
temperature than ambient, because the processes
of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
How we feel few metals(may be other objects(dead)
bit hotter other bit cooler at same time?
What does sensibility (feeling hot or cold) have to do with this?
Metals have surfaces. Surfaces have properties controlling heat
transfer. Metals also can store a lot of heat, and have high
conductivity to deliver that heat within them. A metal can feel
cool to touch, because it is in equilibrium with a room. And
where we have a surface temperature necessary for us to be
comfortable in that room, but the metal serves to
draw-the-heat-from or deliver-it-to us quickly.
Thanks, in some sense, any substance which can maintain different temp.
than ambient may be somewhat considered as active or somewhat living?
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and
some water can be used to keep body tissues cooler
than ambient.
Thanks. How high humidity can effect bodies?
You lose the ability to cool yourself, with high ambient
temperatures. Being near the ocean, near the equator, you will
see what this means.
Whether ambient cold or hot whether impact such effect of high
humadity? Does it mean, already cooled down by humidity or we don't
cool down to ambient temp. on high humadity?
Pls also tell me effect of low humidity or of dry whether?
...
Can there be difference in absorbed heat and released
heat by a body?
Not without changing the temperature (or other internal
energy storage) of the body.
When a body absorbs heat, its motions will be increased.
Not really. If we are talking a human body, it tends to slow
down, to try and lower its temperature.
Will that not be just manipulating/unnatural?
Is life natural? When I get hot, I try to find a cool place, but
I certainly don't start exerting myself more, because I add to my
heat load.
Ok.
How energy /heat used for these increased motions
will be calculated, if released heat is same as
absorbed?
Consider concrete and asphalt pavement at "noon" on
a summer's day. Each has a different temperature,
yet each is releasing heat as fast as it comes in
(assuming the temperature is near peak for the day).
We would look to the properties for the surface of each,
to describe incident heat, and to describe heat leaving.
(Google terms in quotes)
Looking to incoming / outbound radiant heat:
"reflectivity transmissivity absorptivity emissivity"
Then if the surface is immersed in a fluid or in contact
with a soild:
"natural convection" "forced convection" conduction
When an object (live or dead) lose more heat than
absorbed, does that object lose some mass?
It is expected to. But this amount will very likely be too small
to measure.
Yes, but can it(losing some rest mass) be possible with every
interaction of heat or other energies with any object?
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on
heat or heat on motions?
For a body, motion creates heat.
I think that is heat radiated.
But your question is answered, heat is not prime...
motion is.
What is primary in evolution of earth/universe..heat
or motion?
Look;
"The heat death is a possible final state of the
universe, in which it has "run down" to a state of no
free energy to sustain motion or life. In physical
terms, it has reached maximum entropy.
Temperature of the universe
Despite the term "heat death",
This is an antequated term, before expansion was realized.
the temperature of the entire universe would be
very close to absolute zero in this scenario. Heat
death is however not quite the same as "cold death"
or the "Big Freeze" in which the universe simply
becomes too cold to sustain life due to continued
expansion, though the result is quite similar (see:
[1] for a more detailed explanation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe "
Are you asking about prime cause, or last state? Motion came
first, and from motion comes entropy (aka. heat).
I am asking prime cause to evolution heat or motion? During evolution,
from begning to end, I think it is from hot to cold but still on or
after last state may be much hotter due to release of all stored
energies?
What about total heat in a live body? Pls consider
body as any body live or dead not just human live
body.
You will have a change in body temperature to
equilibrium. If the body is dead, after some time, the
biota will start consuming the body internally /
externally, and the temperature will go up.
Will that be consolidated temp. of biota?
I don't know what you are asking.
You said; If the body is dead, after some time, the
biota will start consuming the body internally /externally, and the
temperature will go up.
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
How can we differeanciate Heat is light ?
I don't know what you are asking.
Why we use heat and light differently if Heat is light?
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and
matters?
Heat, no. Heat stored in a body can add a
tiny (likely unmeasureable... ever) amount of
rest mass.
Will a person lose that rest mass, if stored heat
is released from that body?
It follows, doesn't it?
Yes, but it is important to clear in some respect.
Pls tell me something about stored heat?
Btw, how heat can be stored in body unequal to
ambient heat?
Photosynthesis stores heat not as temperature, but as stable
chemicals. Photocells can be used to do the same. Heat engines
can convert some heat to usable work... but must have a cold
space to transfer the heat to. Humans can turn UV-A light into
small amounts of vitamin D.
Thanks. Whether sored heat cool down atmosphere?
...
A bulb is continiously radiating heat but release last
heat when fused. That last heat is bit more bright or
may be more hotter. How?
Not always hotter, not always brighter. Fluorescent
lights don't get brighter, but dimmer as they burn out.
Most of the incandescent lights I have burn out, do so
on startup, adn they neither get hotter nor brighter
than when they run normally.
I think it is dependant on cool light and hot light?
No. The plasma in a fluorescent tube is hot enough
to produce UV... nearly as hot as the surface of the
Sun. But it is a vacuum, and consequently, only delivers
~40 deg C to the glass envelope.
How dim or bright light occur in different sources?
Regulate the amount of power disspated in the
"lumenous element". For a filament bulb, you increase
the length or decrease the diameter of the filament. For
a fluorescent bulb, you adjust the number of atoms
involved, or change the number of times they get
to accept an electron back on shell per second.
Sorry I meant last light on fuse/end of burning.
I don't understand what you are asking. The intensity of a
fluorescent tube decreases with age. I believe that a filement
bulb is the same, with the bright flash only being bright in
contrast with the darkness that follows.
Ok, thanks.
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat
released from any body than when it was in
process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction
persistently?
"last light/heat released" isn't just light, doesn't all
stay as light, and doesn't always stay moving in the
same direction. The light from the CMBR (about
270,000 years after the Big Bang) has been travelling
straight for all this time. So some "last light" from
from a body could go on for a long time, yes. We get
single-photon detections when we send very powerful
laser signals to reflectors on the Moon to meausre
the distance, so anything is possible.
As such, can emitted/reflected light/spectrum/heat(?)
from a body persist for long time in its origionally
emitted/reflected form?
Not all of it. Most of it will be swamped by the planet and its
atmosphere. But one can imagine that a few photons will travel
outwards until the "end of time".
Can it be in same form as an emitted/reflected spectrum?
...
I wanted to know effect on environment on relese of heat
from any body in environment?
Yes, I know. But your question has nearly an infinite
number of answers.
Will it be that; released heat add to temp. of atmosphere
minutely?
As you sit in front of your computer, you are
radiating/convecting/conducting your body heat to the
room around you, and it is radiating / convecting /
conducting heat back. If it is balanced, there is no net
change in your (or the room's) temperature. If it isn't
balanced (and no real systems are), then temperatures
will go up or down, depending. Your question has an
infinite number of answers.
If I sit in open?
And? Have you decreased the number of answers any? Aren't you
still surrounded by an atmosphere in the open? Isn't there still
ground at some average temperature?
Yes, thanks. How atmospheric/universe temp. changes with time?
Can it be thought all forces/enerfies and matters are
consolidated from heat--so temp. cooled down AND
all forces/energies can be converted into heat which
may make environment much hotter> I think big-ban
indicated something alike it. Temp./heat may means
+absolute zero.
No. Everything boils down to quantum mechanics. In
quantum mechanics, there is no space, time, entropy
or heat / temperature. So what is "prime" or
"fundamental" is not heat.
Pls make it bit simple for me.
I did, but you keep complexifying it. No, heat is not
"prime".
Soory, it was unclear to me.
Thanks for many awnsers.
Welcome.
David A. Smith
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21 Jan 2007 12:49:26 PM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
.. trimming down a little ...
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive,
ever alive, or dead. Ones that send out less, receive
more. It is called "thermal equilibrium". Living
bodies will tend to produce / maintain a different
temperature than ambient, because the processes
of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
How we feel few metals(may be other objects(dead)
bit hotter other bit cooler at same time?
What does sensibility (feeling hot or cold) have to do
with this? Metals have surfaces. Surfaces have
properties controlling heat transfer. Metals also can
store a lot of heat, and have high conductivity to deliver
that heat within them. A metal can feel cool to touch,
because it is in equilibrium with a room. And where
we have a surface temperature necessary for us to be
comfortable in that room, but the metal serves to
draw-the-heat-from or deliver-it-to us quickly.
Thanks, in some sense, any substance which can
maintain different temp. than ambient may be
somewhat considered as active or somewhat living?
No. If you did searching on Google with the phrases I gave you,
you would see that with incident radiation, surfaces will all
sorts of different temperatures. A chrome car bumper is neither
active nor somewhat living yet is a different temperature than
the asphalt... in the daytime.
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and
some water can be used to keep body tissues cooler
than ambient.
Thanks. How high humidity can effect bodies?
You lose the ability to cool yourself, with high ambient
temperatures. Being near the ocean, near the equator,
you will see what this means.
Whether ambient cold or hot whether impact such
effect of high humadity?
Ambient cold is usually accompanied by reduced humidity, in a
parts-per-million-volume basis.
Does it mean, already cooled down by humidity or we
don't cool down to ambient temp. on high humadity?
Correct. We still respire humidity, but our skins usually have
reduced blood flow, and so release less "sweat".
Pls also tell me effect of low humidity or of dry whether?
Have you experienced either? What did you body do?
....
When an object (live or dead) lose more heat than
absorbed, does that object lose some mass?
It is expected to. But this amount will very likely
be too small to measure.
Yes, but can it(losing some rest mass) be possible
with every interaction of heat or other energies with
any object?
It is expected to. Not that the heat/light has mass, but the
*system* detects it so.
....
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on
heat or heat on motions?
Look;
"The heat death is a possible final state of the
universe, in which it has "run down" to a state of no
free energy to sustain motion or life. In physical
terms, it has reached maximum entropy.
Temperature of the universe
Despite the term "heat death",
This is an antequated term, before expansion was realized.
the temperature of the entire universe would be
very close to absolute zero in this scenario. Heat
death is however not quite the same as "cold death"
or the "Big Freeze" in which the universe simply
becomes too cold to sustain life due to continued
expansion, though the result is quite similar (see:
[1] for a more detailed explanation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe "
Are you asking about prime cause, or last state?
Motion came first, and from motion comes entropy
(aka. heat).
I am asking prime cause to evolution heat or motion?
During evolution, from begning to end, I think it is from
hot to cold but still on or after last state may be much
hotter due to release of all stored energies?
We look at the CMBR. This light was emitted by (as far as we can
tell) 3000K hydrogen plasma. We see it as less than 3K now, and
we have observations of processes that were immersed in other
values of this "background" temperature at different ages. We
started hot and we will end cold, but it is NOT a simple
relationship.
What about total heat in a live body? Pls consider
body as any body live or dead not just human live
body.
You will have a change in body temperature to
equilibrium. If the body is dead, after some time, the
biota will start consuming the body internally /
externally, and the temperature will go up.
Will that be consolidated temp. of biota?
I don't know what you are asking.
You said; If the body is dead, after some time, the
biota will start consuming the body internally /
externally, and the temperature will go up.
Yes, I got my response. I don't understand what you are asking.
In this context, "consolidated temp." has no meaning to me. The
body will heat because the biota are consuming the food stores
and organs in the body. But there is no blood flow and/or heat
regulating systems to keep the temperautre regulated. So the gut
will be hot, and the biota will hover at near-death, operating at
the highest possible temperature allowing some survival...
struggling for oxygen (in whatever form).
Pls tell me about heat relations with four
fundamental forces?
Heat is light.
How can we differeanciate Heat is light ?
I don't know what you are asking.
Why we use heat and light differently if Heat is light?
Light is also light. Charge and chemical bonding is also light.
Light measures size where the strong and weak interactions play,
so most likely those interactions are also light-based...
somehow. Heat is internally stored motion (mass dancing on light
strings) *and* radiant energy (light).
Can heat effect all other forces/energies and
matters?
Heat, no. Heat stored in a body can add a
tiny (likely unmeasureable... ever) amount of
rest mass.
Will a person lose that rest mass, if stored heat
is released from that body?
It follows, doesn't it?
Yes, but it is important to clear in some respect.
Pls tell me something about stored heat?
Btw, how heat can be stored in body unequal to
ambient heat?
Photosynthesis stores heat not as temperature, but
as stable chemicals. Photocells can be used to do
the same. Heat engines can convert some heat to
usable work... but must have a cold space to
transfer the heat to. Humans can turn UV-A light
into small amounts of vitamin D.
Thanks. Whether sored heat cool down atmosphere?
Stored heat is heat that never heated up the atmosphere, yes.
And you can store heat from hot air in massive salt beds (or
tanks of water)... and exchange it at night to warm the night.
Google
"passive heating" "passive cooling"
....
Can we diffferenciate between last light/heat
released from any body than when it was in
process?
In general, no.
Whether emmited light/photons move in one direction
persistently?
"last light/heat released" isn't just light, doesn't all
stay as light, and doesn't always stay moving in the
same direction. The light from the CMBR (about
270,000 years after the Big Bang) has been travelling
straight for all this time. So some "last light" from
from a body could go on for a long time, yes. We get
single-photon detections when we send very powerful
laser signals to reflectors on the Moon to meausre
the distance, so anything is possible.
As such, can emitted/reflected light/spectrum/heat(?)
from a body persist for long time in its origionally
emitted/reflected form?
Not all of it. Most of it will be swamped by the
planet and its atmosphere. But one can imagine
that a few photons will travel outwards until the
"end of time".
Can it be in same form as an emitted/reflected spectrum?
Light is light. Light from the CMBR is 14 billion years old, and
it still looks like black body radiation. The spectrum is pretty
pure, with some absorption lines from dust it has passed through,
but not too badly distorted.
....
If I sit in open?
And? Have you decreased the number of answers
any? Aren't you still surrounded by an atmosphere
in the open? Isn't there still ground at some
average temperature?
Yes, thanks. How atmospheric/universe temp. changes with time?
Do a search on CMBR. Start here:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
David A. Smith
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21 Jan 2007 08:14:15 PM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
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"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Dear kumar:
"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
.. trimming down a little ...
I think in atmosphere, space or in bodies it stays
interpreted by temperature of atmosphere, space or
in bodies above absolute zero?
Heat is constantly "swapped" by all bodies, alive,
ever alive, or dead. Ones that send out less, receive
more. It is called "thermal equilibrium". Living
bodies will tend to produce / maintain a different
temperature than ambient, because the processes
of staying alive require it. Same problem as in
cooling a microprocessor.
How we feel few metals(may be other objects(dead)
bit hotter other bit cooler at same time?
What does sensibility (feeling hot or cold) have to do
with this? Metals have surfaces. Surfaces have
properties controlling heat transfer. Metals also can
store a lot of heat, and have high conductivity to deliver
that heat within them. A metal can feel cool to touch,
because it is in equilibrium with a room. And where
we have a surface temperature necessary for us to be
comfortable in that room, but the metal serves to
draw-the-heat-from or deliver-it-to us quickly.
Thanks, in some sense, any substance which can
maintain different temp. than ambient may be
somewhat considered as active or somewhat living?
No. If you did searching on Google with the phrases I gave you,
you would see that with incident radiation, surfaces will all
sorts of different temperatures. A chrome car bumper is neither
active nor somewhat living yet is a different temperature than
the asphalt... in the daytime.
Ok thanks.
When any body releses heat, does it change
environmental temperature/heat even minutely?
A warm body in a cold room, raises the temperature.
A warm body in a hot room just raises the humidity.
How humidity?
Sweat or panting. Living tissues contain water, and
some water can be used to keep body tissues cooler
than ambient.
Thanks. How high humidity can effect bodies?
You lose the ability to cool yourself, with high ambient
temperatures. Being near the ocean, near the equator,
you will see what this means.
Whether ambient cold or hot impact such
effect of high humadity?
Ambient cold is usually accompanied by reduced humidity, in a
parts-per-million-volume basis.
Means, a person in dry and hot climate tends to feel cooler than a
person in humid and hot(same temp.) climate?
Does it mean, already cooled down by humidity or we
don't cool down to ambient temp. on high humadity?
Correct. We still respire humidity, but our skins usually have
reduced blood flow, and so release less "sweat".
Means, high humidity can lead to reduced blood flow to skins which may
also increase some BP. Increase in fluid volume in blood either due to
inhaled water or due to less sweat may also increase some BP?
Pls also tell me effect of low humidity or of dry whether?
Have you experienced either? What did you body do?
I think opposite to above...should be increase in blood flow to skin,
more wet skin, decrease in BP? Also can means, dryness of skin can be
related to high humadity but I think not experianced(may be due to
humidity direct effect on skin?
...
When an object (live or dead) lose more heat than
absorbed, does that object lose some mass?
It is expected to. But this amount will very likely
be too small to measure.
Yes, but can it(losing some rest mass) be possible
with every interaction of heat or other energies with
any object?
It is expected to. Not that the heat/light has mass, but the
*system* detects it so.
Can it express science of information stored in some so called energy
medicines..homeopathy(carries loses some rest mass on energetic
interactions by triturating or shaking) with them?
...
Primarily, Whether motions are dependant on
heat or heat on motions?
Look;
"The heat death is a possible final state of the
universe, in which it has "run down" to a state of no
free energy to sustain motion or life. In physical
terms, it has reached maximum entropy.
Temperature of the universe
Despite the term "heat death",
This is an antequated term, before expansion was realized.
the temperature of the entire universe would be
very close to absolute zero in this scenario. Heat
death is however not quite the same as "cold death"
or the "Big Freeze" in which the universe simply
becomes too cold to sustain life due to continued
expansion, though the result is quite similar (see:
[1] for a more detailed explanation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe "
Are you asking about prime cause, or last state?
Motion came first, and from motion comes entropy
(aka. heat).
I am asking prime cause to evolution heat or motion?
During evolution, from begning to end, I think it is from
hot to cold but still on or after last state may be much
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