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12 Aug 2003 12:32:46 PM |
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Help! Electrocution question |
I am writing a novel in which there is a scene of an electricution in a Jacuzzi
and I was wondering if anyone can help me out with the technical details.
Two men are in a hottub. Would they be electricuted if a laptop computer fell
into the water? Or would they merely be stunned or perhaps would nothing at all
happen? Would the laptop need to be plugged in to harm them?
What if one of the two men was an epilectic or had a similar medical condition
- would be react differently?
If anyone has the answers or could point me to a source for this info, I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Joe Mullich
www.joemullich.com
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| User: "davidoff404" |
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| Title: Re: Help! Electrocution question |
12 Aug 2003 02:35:18 PM |
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Josephmullich <josephmullich@aol.com> wrote in message
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I am writing a novel in which there is a scene of an electricution in a
Jacuzzi
and I was wondering if anyone can help me out with the technical details.
Two men are in a hottub. Would they be electricuted if a laptop computer
fell
into the water? Or would they merely be stunned or perhaps would nothing
at all
happen? Would the laptop need to be plugged in to harm them?
What if one of the two men was an epilectic or had a similar medical
condition
- would be react differently?
If anyone has the answers or could point me to a source for this info, I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Joe Mullich
www.joemullich.com
Why has noone asked the question "What are two men doing together in a hot
tub"? And why do they have a laptop with them? Is this some new kind of
sub-aqua porn thing?
Laptop not plugged in --> they survive.
Laptop is plugged in ---> they survive.
Try something more adventurous, a toaster oven perhaps.
davidoff404
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| User: "Jeremy" |
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| Title: Re: Help! Electrocution question |
12 Aug 2003 10:37:45 PM |
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"davidoff404" <davidoff404@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Try something more adventurous, a toaster oven perhaps.
He could try a desktop computer?
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| User: "Martin Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Help! Electrocution question |
13 Aug 2003 02:18:08 AM |
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"Jeremy" <cfgauss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"davidoff404" <davidoff404@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Try something more adventurous, a toaster oven perhaps.
He could try a desktop computer?
A chainsaw? Fly-mo? Electric alligator?
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| User: "Ian Stirling" |
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14 Aug 2003 09:35:26 AM |
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Martin Stone <Martin.Stone.spam_me_and_die_uncle_fukka@uk.thalesgroup.com> wrote:
"Jeremy" <cfgauss@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:doi_a.90991$Oz4.21785@rwcrnsc54...
"davidoff404" <davidoff404@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Try something more adventurous, a toaster oven perhaps.
He could try a desktop computer?
A chainsaw? Fly-mo? Electric alligator?
What about common kitchen accidents.
A leaking sack of popcorn dribbles into the popcorn maker, slowly
filling the house with popcorn, and the hero awakes unable to move.
--
http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling.
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Among a mans many good possessions, A good command of speech has no equal.
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| User: "Richard Tobin" |
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14 Aug 2003 09:38:18 AM |
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In article <bhg6nd$7g2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:
A leaking sack of popcorn dribbles into the popcorn maker, slowly
filling the house with popcorn, and the hero awakes unable to move.
I hate when that happens.
-- Richard
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Spam filter: to mail me from a .com/.net site, put my surname in the headers.
FreeBSD rules!
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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20 Aug 2003 09:20:48 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:24:01 -0400 (EDT), (tj
Frazir) Gave us:
I bet one of the fags in the tub ia al gore.
Dont waist a lap top !!
Have a 1/2 dozen stun guns fall in the tub .
My lap tp floats and I got No volts from water to ground.
Blew the thing out with air and it works.
but now it sticks keys.
The dudes in the tub will suffer keylock.
Drop a comador 64 in the tub.
Now yer ccookin
Yer an idiot.
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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13 Aug 2003 09:14:26 PM |
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On 13 Aug 2003 09:28:46 -0700, (TimR) Gave us:
I'm thinking ceiling fan.
Yup, definitely ceiling fan.
Over an outdoor hot tub?
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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14 Aug 2003 04:39:47 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:00:02 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> Gave us:
Then again, he might have better luck putting the hot tub
under a streetlight which comes crashing down on him when
hit by a passing car. :-) But that would just be weird. :-)
Oooohh 600 volts of joy. I wonder if TJ would notice that it is
really the volts that are the pressure at that point.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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14 Aug 2003 11:00:08 AM |
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In sci.physics, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
wrote
on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:39:47 -0700
<m5mmjvg2r5tru7cd89g3da7d78b25utt88@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:00:02 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> Gave us:
Then again, he might have better luck putting the hot tub
under a streetlight which comes crashing down on him when
hit by a passing car. :-) But that would just be weird. :-)
Oooohh 600 volts of joy. I wonder if TJ would notice that it is
really the volts that are the pressure at that point.
What would kill him are the amps, though. Assuming he doesn't
simply get klonked on the head by the lamppost. :-)
--
#191, -- 600 amps of current in the wire, 600
amps of current; take one strand out and create a spark, 599 amps of
current in the wire....
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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14 Aug 2003 07:33:29 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:00:08 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> Gave us:
In sci.physics, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
wrote
on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:39:47 -0700
<m5mmjvg2r5tru7cd89g3da7d78b25utt88@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:00:02 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> Gave us:
Then again, he might have better luck putting the hot tub
under a streetlight which comes crashing down on him when
hit by a passing car. :-) But that would just be weird. :-)
Oooohh 600 volts of joy. I wonder if TJ would notice that it is
really the volts that are the pressure at that point.
What would kill him are the amps, though. Assuming he doesn't
simply get klonked on the head by the lamppost. :-)
That would probably only wake his lame ***** up.
It takes a voltage drop to make those amps... ANY amps... by the
way.
Including those that might pass through the body.
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| User: "Bill Vajk" |
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| Title: Re: Help! Electrocution question |
15 Aug 2003 06:41:39 PM |
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
To kill, 10mA through the heart is enough.
Depending on bath salt used ... ;-) 60 volts COULD be enough.
The National Electrical Code (US) caps class 2 electrical
circuits at 24 volts AC @ 50 VA. That is to say that
24 volts limited to 2 amps is considered non lethal and
fire safe (insufficient energy for starting fires) and
can be run with terminals exposed.
Given the normal electrical resistance of humans it is
unlikely that getting across the terminals will kill a
person.
OTOH the old farm systems running 32 volts DC were known
to kill quite a few of the careless and disrespectful.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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15 Aug 2003 11:19:17 PM |
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Yer a bunch of fucking morons !
You dont know amp from volt !
You dont understand a free electron or emf backpressure.
Bunch of fucking dumbasses.
***** THE BOOK ,,,they must now fucking work...books are stupid !!!!
GET A FUCKING METER !!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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14 Aug 2003 11:34:57 PM |
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The amps wount kill ,,,volts do.
Its not how hard the electrons are pushedbut rather how many free
electrons you conduct.
16 volt welder at 600 amps wount even poke you . But 5 miliamps at
600 volt will stop your hart on a dime.
Amp frees the electron ,,,the free electron is the volt.
Amps is oposit back pressure so amps is pressure . Volts is volume
,,,how many electrns pushed past the point.
1000 volts dont nead much pressure to kill you all the electrons are
quick to go anywhere that will except them with the least resistance.
The amp is the back emf pressure that forced the electron free. Any
change in back pressure will afect only the amps wile speed is volume
of electrons past the point.
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| User: "davidoff404" |
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13 Aug 2003 06:00:11 PM |
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TimR <timothy42b@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
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In sci.physics, Martin Stone
<Martin.Stone.spam_me_and_die_uncle_fukka@uk.thalesgroup.com>
wrote
on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:18:08 +0100
<bhcooq$gq9$1@rdel.co.uk>:
"Jeremy" <cfgauss@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"davidoff404" <davidoff404@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Try something more adventurous, a toaster oven perhaps.
He could try a desktop computer?
A chainsaw? Fly-mo? Electric alligator?
An old tube radio plugged in a shelf above, depending
on the decor of the place, might work. There are
a few aficionados that swear at transistors and
swear by tubes still.
While I can't answer allegations regarding transistors,
the radio's a handy plot device. :-)
I'm thinking ceiling fan.
Yup, definitely ceiling fan.
I've thought long and hard about the most appropriate tools with which to
kill our two heroes. I've settled on the International Space Station. Hey,
it worked on Kenny in South Park, so why can't it work here?
davidoff
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| User: "Bill Vajk" |
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12 Aug 2003 01:13:16 PM |
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Josephmullich wrote:
Two men are in a hottub. Would they be electricuted if a laptop computer fell
into the water?
The highest voltage in the system is apt to be 12 volts at dc.
Take it from there.
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| User: "Richard Henry" |
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12 Aug 2003 01:30:52 PM |
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"Bill Vajk" <bill9north@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
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Josephmullich wrote:
Two men are in a hottub. Would they be electricuted if a laptop computer
fell
into the water?
The highest voltage in the system is apt to be 12 volts at dc.
Take it from there.
Depending on the display and backlight type, there may 30 or so volts in the
LCD bias cicrcuit, and perhaps much more powering the display backlight.
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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12 Aug 2003 07:39:57 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:30:52 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
Gave us:
Depending on the display and backlight type, there may 30 or so volts in the
LCD bias cicrcuit, and perhaps much more powering the display backlight.
Which would immediately drop to zero, when the supply that feeds it
fails, which it will, the moment it gets immersed.
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| User: "DarkMatter" |
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12 Aug 2003 09:57:42 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:39:57 -0700, DarkMatter
<DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> Gave us:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:30:52 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
Gave us:
Depending on the display and backlight type, there may 30 or so volts in the
LCD bias cicrcuit, and perhaps much more powering the display backlight.
Which would immediately drop to zero, when the supply that feeds it
fails, which it will, the moment it gets immersed.
That is aside from the fact that the 30 volts involved could not
sustain much current without the voltage dropping greatly.
Divide the number of milliwatts such a display requires by 30, and
then add a few. That would be the maximum sustainable current
designed into that converter that feeds that backlight. Any further
loading would drop the voltage.
Humans are modeled at 1kiloOhm for hospital and medical equipment.
That would be 30 milliamps at your 30 volts, but contact area, and
path are also a factor when determining danger level.
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