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"Alan Frisbie" |
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11 Oct 2006 02:47:50 PM |
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Hobbyist vacuum system |
I have never worked with vacuum systems (other than as an
observer), and need some advice to get me started.
I have a Welch 1402 Duo-Seal vacuum pump, which has been
sitting in storage for at least five years. I have not
yet tried to use it, just in case there is something critical
I need to do first. I got it from a going-out-of-business
surplus store, so I don't know its history.
I also have a bell jar, about 9" I.D. and 9" inside height.
It has two ground-glass openings, at the top, and on the
side near the bottom. The top one tapers from about 1.5"
down to about 1.25", and the side one tapers from about
1.2" down to about 1". It came with a chipboard base with
a 1/8" rubber sheet on top for a seal.
I have nothing else yet, so my first question is where to
buy the bits and pieces I need to complete the system. I
live in Los Angeles, so local places would be appreciated.
Since this is for (mostly) hobby use, low prices are even
more appreciated! :-)
Things I know I will need are: vacuum tubing, fittings for
the bell jar, vacuum grease, etc. What kind of tubing
should I get, and how do I connect it to the ground-glass
openings on the bell jar? Some kind or rubber stopper?
My first project is not very demanding: to vacuum-dry some
computer backup tapes that will be exposed to high temperature
and humidity while testing a new fire safe design.
The research I have done so far indicates that I need to
install a dry-ice cold trap in the line if there is moisture
present. I am assuming that drying these tapes qualifies.
Is it reasonable for me to build my own from, say, copper
pipe? Does anyone have a suggested design? I was thinking
of just a loop of large copper pipe immersed in an insulated
container of dry ice and alcohol.
Future projects might include neon lights or even a gas laser.
Is there anything I should do before turning the vacuum pump
on for the first time?
What questions should I be asking at this point?
Are there any books or online sources of information that
I should be reading?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Alan Remove "_REMOVE" from e-mail address to reply.
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| User: "Ted Mieker" |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
11 Oct 2006 03:07:51 PM |
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"Alan Frisbie" <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message
news:1160595919.982723@smirk...
I have never worked with vacuum systems (other than as an
observer), and need some advice to get me started.
I have a Welch 1402 Duo-Seal vacuum pump, which has been
sitting in storage for at least five years. I have not
yet tried to use it, just in case there is something critical
I need to do first. I got it from a going-out-of-business
surplus store, so I don't know its history.
you may need to oil the seals on the pump first else it could burn up the
seals
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| User: "Alan Frisbie" |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
12 Oct 2006 09:44:08 AM |
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Ted Mieker wrote:
"Alan Frisbie" <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message
news:1160595919.982723@smirk...
I have a Welch 1402 Duo-Seal vacuum pump, which has been
sitting in storage for at least five years. I have not
yet tried to use it, just in case there is something critical
I need to do first. I got it from a going-out-of-business
surplus store, so I don't know its history.
you may need to oil the seals on the pump first else it could burn up the
seals
How do I oil the seals before running it? I downloaded the
manual from the Welch web site, but it doesn't say anything
about this.
As soon as I can find someplace in Los Angeles to buy the
proper oil, I plan to flush and refill it. Can anyone
recommend an oil to use, and where to buy it?
Thanks,
Alan
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| User: "C. Humley" |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
12 Oct 2006 03:38:05 PM |
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"Alan Frisbie" <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message
news:1160664090.635985@smirk...
Ted Mieker wrote:
"Alan Frisbie" <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message
news:1160595919.982723@smirk...
I have a Welch 1402 Duo-Seal vacuum pump, which has been
sitting in storage for at least five years. I have not
yet tried to use it, just in case there is something critical
I need to do first. I got it from a going-out-of-business
surplus store, so I don't know its history.
you may need to oil the seals on the pump first else it could burn up the
seals
How do I oil the seals before running it? I downloaded the
manual from the Welch web site, but it doesn't say anything
about this.
As soon as I can find someplace in Los Angeles to buy the
proper oil, I plan to flush and refill it. Can anyone
recommend an oil to use, and where to buy it?
Thanks,
Alan
that is a BIG vacuum pump!
google for info, and then call the places and try to get some info from
them, or pay for them to send you some copies of manual, etc.
you could get them to rebuild it(cost?) if needed
http://www.pchemlabs.com/product.asp?pid=347
http://vacuum-pumps.us/index.php?action=website-view-category&WebSiteID=92&CategoryID=250
seems like you could just use automotive air conditioner oil too, It is
just an oil that does not outgas.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
11 Oct 2006 09:57:21 PM |
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Alan Frisbie wrote:
I have never worked with vacuum systems (other than as an
observer), and need some advice to get me started.
I have a Welch 1402 Duo-Seal vacuum pump, which has been
sitting in storage for at least five years. I have not
yet tried to use it, just in case there is something critical
I need to do first. I got it from a going-out-of-business
surplus store, so I don't know its history.
I also have a bell jar, about 9" I.D. and 9" inside height.
It has two ground-glass openings, at the top, and on the
side near the bottom. The top one tapers from about 1.5"
down to about 1.25", and the side one tapers from about
1.2" down to about 1". It came with a chipboard base with
a 1/8" rubber sheet on top for a seal.
I have nothing else yet, so my first question is where to
buy the bits and pieces I need to complete the system. I
live in Los Angeles, so local places would be appreciated.
Since this is for (mostly) hobby use, low prices are even
more appreciated! :-)
Things I know I will need are: vacuum tubing, fittings for
the bell jar, vacuum grease, etc. What kind of tubing
should I get, and how do I connect it to the ground-glass
openings on the bell jar? Some kind or rubber stopper?
My first project is not very demanding: to vacuum-dry some
computer backup tapes that will be exposed to high temperature
and humidity while testing a new fire safe design.
The research I have done so far indicates that I need to
install a dry-ice cold trap in the line if there is moisture
present. I am assuming that drying these tapes qualifies.
Is it reasonable for me to build my own from, say, copper
pipe? Does anyone have a suggested design? I was thinking
of just a loop of large copper pipe immersed in an insulated
container of dry ice and alcohol.
Future projects might include neon lights or even a gas laser.
Is there anything I should do before turning the vacuum pump
on for the first time?
What questions should I be asking at this point?
Are there any books or online sources of information that
I should be reading?
the Bell Jar Welcomes You to the World of Amateur Vacuum
http://www.belljar.net/index.htm
Sue...
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Alan Remove "_REMOVE" from e-mail address to reply.
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| User: "Alan Frisbie" |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
12 Oct 2006 09:50:46 AM |
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Sue... wrote:
Alan Frisbie wrote:
I have never worked with vacuum systems (other than as an
observer), and need some advice to get me started.
the Bell Jar Welcomes You to the World of Amateur Vacuum
http://www.belljar.net/index.htm
Thanks, this looks like it is just what I need. I will
order a complete set of back issues.
My main problem now is finding where to buy what I need.
There used to be a wonderful laboratory supply company in
nearby Burbank (Calif.), Tri-Ess Sciences, but they closed
a little over a year ago. Now I have no idea where to
buy lab supplies. The nice thing about Tri-Ess was that
the owner was always available to answer questions and give
advice.
Alan
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: Hobbyist vacuum system |
12 Oct 2006 11:08:26 AM |
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Alan Frisbie wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Alan Frisbie wrote:
I have never worked with vacuum systems (other than as an
observer), and need some advice to get me started.
the Bell Jar Welcomes You to the World of Amateur Vacuum
http://www.belljar.net/index.htm
Thanks, this looks like it is just what I need. I will
order a complete set of back issues.
My main problem now is finding where to buy what I need.
There used to be a wonderful laboratory supply company in
nearby Burbank (Calif.), Tri-Ess Sciences, but they closed
a little over a year ago. Now I have no idea where to
buy lab supplies. The nice thing about Tri-Ess was that
the owner was always available to answer questions and give
advice.
Although it is not considered a 'High Vacuum' application,
you can probably get a lot of your supplies the same place
your local refrigeration mechanics shop. Look for a local
vendor similar to:
http://www.grainger.com/
http://www.totaline.com/
Sue...
Alan
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