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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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15 Oct 2005 10:56:23 PM |
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How consciousness really works |
Yes, of course, but that is Stuart Hameroff's idea not mine. Roger
Penrose discusses it in his books. :-)
In my theory there is a giant local quantum hologram wave that couples
to those electrons forming a two-way feedback control loop that
spontaneously organizes itself adapting to the sensory information
passed to those electrons. That giant quantum hologram is our mind -
different levels of course not all conscious. The giant quantum wave is
immune to the deterioration of heat because of P.W. Anderson's
"generalized phase rigidity" that always accompanies the "two-way
relation" between all those electron qubits and the giant quantum
mind-wave. This permits backward-in-time "presponse" i.e. "signal
nonlocality" as defined by A. Valentini of the Perimeter Institute. This
effect has been observed by Libet, Radin and Bierman in separate
experiments. Hameroff & Penrose discuss these effects. It also explains
remote-viewing and all other paranormal phenomena.
Roger Penrose's model is different. He has "collapse" OR of a new kind.
I don't need "OR".
On Oct 15, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Russell S Clark wrote:
Dear Dr. Sarfatti,
I read in the Oxford Companion to the Mind that general anesthesia is on
account of the physical properties of the aneasthetic gas or vapor,
rather than due to its specific chemical properties. Specifically when
the concentration of the anaesthetic molecules reaches a concentration
in brain lipids of 0.05 molal, general anaesthesia ensues. Could this
transition be due to the effect of this concentration upon electron
mobility in the tubulin dimers? Say in triggering a switch of the
tubulin electron currents from quantum to classical - kind of like
unplugging the dimer electrons from interaction with quantum vacuum
electromagnetic field fluctuations? You know, like switching the
brain's computation from networked to offline computation?
Thanks for any response and references from your writings/postings.
I have 3 books out on http://amazon.com
My website is http://stardrive.org
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| Title: Re: How consciousness really works |
15 Oct 2005 11:10:03 PM |
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Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Yes, of course, but that is Stuart Hameroff's ...(snipsky)
Well, I guess that solves that. Now, on to some unsolved problems.
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| Title: Re: How consciousness really works |
16 Oct 2005 09:51:12 AM |
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I know for sure that inteligence is ability of the cyclic levers to
proces their inner imbalance (increase, decrease or pass it unchanged)
in order to please their survival urge.
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| User: "elson" |
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| Title: Re: How consciousness really works |
16 Oct 2005 10:28:52 AM |
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Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Yes, of course, but that is Stuart Hameroff's idea not mine. Roger
Penrose discusses it in his books. :-)
In my theory there is a giant local quantum hologram wave that couples
to those electrons forming a two-way feedback control loop that
spontaneously organizes itself adapting to the sensory information
passed to those electrons. That giant quantum hologram is our mind -
different levels of course not all conscious. The giant quantum wave is
immune to the deterioration of heat because of P.W. Anderson's
Sarfatti is partly right about the giant quantum hologram as our
mind. We perceive using holo-vision (or claivoyancy) that the
quantum hologram as information has complexity especially when as it
pertains to emotional integration. This is why those who have
high EQ (Emotional Quotience) have more complex and sophisticated
quantum hologam (also known as aura). At a certain level of
sophistication, it can become an independent vehicle of
consciousness (this is what is latent in humans and how we
will evolve). Now the breakaway Greys factions (as former slaves
created by genetic engineering by a master ET race long time ago)
have very poor quantum hologram because they can't integrate
higher emotions well. As a result, they initiated the Hybrid
Project to instill in them some human qualities. Remember the
top most portion of the quantum hologram is the soul matrix
which interconnects to highest dimensions (and beyond). This is
something that no technology in the whole universe can provide. The
greys learned that only humans have the hologram information
complexity they need to integrate to themsleves to evolve. Hence
the purpose and core agenda of the UFO abductions phenomenon that
has escaped the attention of general scientists, biologists and
physicists.
elson
"generalized phase rigidity" that always accompanies the "two-way
relation" between all those electron qubits and the giant quantum
mind-wave. This permits backward-in-time "presponse" i.e. "signal
nonlocality" as defined by A. Valentini of the Perimeter Institute. This
effect has been observed by Libet, Radin and Bierman in separate
experiments. Hameroff & Penrose discuss these effects. It also explains
remote-viewing and all other paranormal phenomena.
Roger Penrose's model is different. He has "collapse" OR of a new kind.
I don't need "OR".
On Oct 15, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Russell S Clark wrote:
Dear Dr. Sarfatti,
I read in the Oxford Companion to the Mind that general anesthesia is on
account of the physical properties of the aneasthetic gas or vapor,
rather than due to its specific chemical properties. Specifically when
the concentration of the anaesthetic molecules reaches a concentration
in brain lipids of 0.05 molal, general anaesthesia ensues. Could this
transition be due to the effect of this concentration upon electron
mobility in the tubulin dimers? Say in triggering a switch of the
tubulin electron currents from quantum to classical - kind of like
unplugging the dimer electrons from interaction with quantum vacuum
electromagnetic field fluctuations? You know, like switching the
brain's computation from networked to offline computation?
Thanks for any response and references from your writings/postings.
I have 3 books out on http://amazon.com
My website is http://stardrive.org
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| User: "elson" |
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16 Oct 2005 07:37:55 PM |
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To continue with the above. Let me mention about the grown up
Hybrids and their abusive behavior. You will understand that only
human psychologists can take care of the fully grown sexually
mature Grey Hybrids, not the dysfunctioning Greys. What if some
Hybrids turn into Merchenaries or something with high tech weaponry.
From Jacob's "The Threat"
"Abusive Hybrid Activity
The women who have had pleasurable contacts with hybrids are the
lucky ones. Other women have experienced ominous and difficult
relationships with them. Even the romantic hybrids can suddenly
display anger and malice. Intentional cruelty is an important
component of hybrid interaction with abductees -- especially in
sexual situations.
Emily:
When Emily's marriage was in trouble, she flirted with another
man and thought about entering into a sexual relationship with
her new admirer. This brought strong and stern warnings from her
hybrid, who was usually the romantic type. In reaction to Emily's
new love interest, her hybrid was angry and vengeful. During an
abduction, he threatened to turn her over to the gray aliens whom
she hated, and he even punished her by including her would-be
paramour in a staging incident. The hybrid "placed" Emily's fri
end in the hallway near her. When she saw him, she broke away
from the hybrid and rushed to her friend, begging him to help her
and to try to get her out of there.
As she clutched him, she realized it was not her friend, but one
of the gray alien "doctors" whom she despised and feared so much.
Emily was horrified, but the hybrid laughed. He said he could do
anything he wanted to her and this was just another warning to
stay away from her friend. One could explain this episode as the
anguish of a jealous lover, and it might be that. However, it is
critical to know that Emily's husband had had a vasectomy and
could not deposit sperm. Therefore, a more probable reason for
the hybrid's reaction is that he could not allow another man's
sperm to intrude upon his private reproductive preserve. During
the next several abductions, he forcefully reiterated that Emily
should have nothing to do with her friend. Eventually she broke o
ff with her friend and divo rced her husband. She has since
remarried and moved to another state. It is not known what her
relationship with her personal-project hybrid has been since
then.
Deborah:
Other abductees have had experiences with personal project
hybrids that go far beyond anger. Some hybrids demonstrate such
cruelty that their "projects" live in fear of being subjected to
it again. Deborah's case is a good example of an abusive
relationship in which the hybrid rules through fear,
intimidation, and punishment. During one abduction, she found
herself on the kitchen floor with a familiar hybrid standing near
her. She responded as she always did, by adopting the attitude
that anything he did to her did not matter.
And he starts dancing around my living room and kitchen. He's
twirling around, dancing. The way he's twirling reminds me of
what I see at [Grateful] Dead concerts. He looks like he's high
on something...
Does he say anything?
He's laughing. And he comes over real close to me and he says,
"Look! Look! I'm here. I can come here whenever I want to. You're
never, ever going to be safe." ...He looks at me and he says,
"Look what I can do," and I look over to where he's looking.
There's like a fire burning in my kitchen. I tell him I don't
believe there's a fire there. He says, "Oh, but there is. You
feel the heat against your face." ... He does a sweep with his
hands around the kitchen and says, "This is all mine. You think
you own t his but you don't." He says I can take any of this at a
minute's notice. He comes over to me and he says, "I can also
f**k you at a minute's notice, and you'll do exactly as I say."
And he's right. I feel this fear starting inside of me. Nothing
really matters anyway. I tell him he can do whatever he wants
because I really don't care ... But I should care, I should not
want it. But I just don't care.
He comes over and he spreads my legs apart on the floor. He's on
his hands and knees in front of me. And he says to me, "I'll
remember that you don't care I'm coming." He lifts my shirt and
says, "Nice tits." Puts it down ... And leans on me and licks my
face. And then he pulls me in to the living room ... He tells me
to look around. He says, "I can destroy your life any time I
want, just look at this." He goes and starts dancing on my table.
I hear his laughter. He keeps saying, "Remember me!" I put my han
ds over my ears, like it really matters. And he says, "I can even
walk out your front door and no one will know the difference. I'm
going to do that right now -- I'm walking out your front door."
He comes over to me and he says, "I'm one of you. I'm coming
back." He starts laughing again. He says, "I' m off. Remember
me." Then he laughed, and said, "Maybe I'll go across the street
and buy something. They'll never know the difference." That's
when I start crying.
What else does he do?
That's all. Then he leaves...
How is he dressed?
Jeans, coat, tennis shoes. His coat is royal BLUE.
Does he have on an undershirt?
His coat is zipped up. But he actually has blue jeans on. I've
never seen them with blue jeans on.
Do you know what kind they are?
I just don't notice it. I feel like I'm not safe in the
apartment. He can come any time he wants ... I start sobbing...
And where is he?
He went out toward my front door, I'm assuming he did what he
said.
Did you hear the door open and close?
Guilt, intimidation, and death are common themes in Deborah's IHA
(Independent Hybrid Activity) events. The hybrids continually
threatened her with death. They pointed weapons at her and held a
knife to her throat. She would come back from these events with
wounds and bruises on her body, such as a broken collarbone,
trauma to her face, a torn Achilles tendon, and a sprained wrist.
Deborah's personal-project hybrid first had intercourse with her
when she was seven years old, and the sexual contact continued
over the years with him and with other hybrids. He usually did
not batter her (other hybrids did that), but in one instance he
tried to get her to react emotionally to his activities. She
refused, placing herself in a neutral, dissociated state, so that
she would not have to contend with the fear and terror of the
event. She was sitting on the floor in her home with the angry
perso nal-project hybrid standing next to her.
He slaps me. He hits me. He's never done that before. He pushes
me against the wall ... I'm feeling empty inside. I don't
struggle. He has his hand under my chin. He tells me he can break
my neck if he wants to. When I don't respond, he says, "So that
doesn't seem to bother you," and he pulls my hair. And he says,
"So you like this type of treatment, huh?" And he tells me that
nothing is holding me back. I don't struggle. I am not afraid. I
tell him I don't care. And he says, "Oh, so you like this huh? Do
y ou want me to do this?" He says, "Just say 'No,' and I'll stop
it." I don't say anything. "Just say 'No,' and I'll stop this." I
just start imagining that I'm not there. I keep on hearing him
yelling. He pushes me to the floor. He's standing over me and I'm
lying down. He says, "I'm in total control." And he tells me that
I can scoot away if I want and I have full capabilities. So he
says, "What do you want?" I tell him I don't care ... He says I'm
in total control, meaning me. That the grays aren't in co nt rol,
but he is. So he says, "What do you want?" I tell him I don't
care. He still has his clothes on, he's wearing his t-shirt and
he squats down on my legs and, and he says, "How come you aren't
struggling? I know you don't want this, why aren't you
struggling?" He says, "I know you're affected." And I told him it
doesn't matter what I want. He gets so angry, he hits me ... He
hits me with his fist ... He hits me full force on my jaw. And he
says, "So you like that, huh? After all I've done for you, this
is how you treat me? I'm feeling pretty angry. I' ll show you
what I mean." He stands up, and he starts undressing. He takes
off his shirt and it's like I don't try to get away. "You're
allowed to go. I'm not stopping you." I just lie there. I'm able
to move, so it's not that I am unable to move.
But you're not playing his game. I don't care. He kneels over me.
He says, "You little *****, you like this type of treatment,
huh?" I'm just looking up. Not looking at him; imagining a lot of
other things.
What is he doing?
He's on top of me. He's hurting me. He keeps on yelling at me.
"You selfish *****, all you think about is yourself." While he's
doing it ... It hurts! ... Everything inside hurts ... My jaw
still hurts from when he hit me ... I imagine that I'm not there,
that I'm back at home. I don't struggle. In a while he's done
with me. He just sort of stops. He seems really disgusted with
me. He says, "You really liked that, didn't you? Do you want me
to do it again?" I don't respond. It seems like I heard him but
he wasn't there. And he's squeezing my shoulders. He yells at me,
"Didn't you hear me, *****? Do you want me to do it again?" And
he stands up and he tells me to get off the floor, that he wasn't
going to satisfy me by doing it. ...So he stands up, says he's
not going to do it again ... what does he do next?
Puts on his clothes.
Laura:
Five hybrids of different stages accosted Laura in her room one
night. They did not like the fact that she was using electronic
instruments to detect their presence -- at least that was the
excuse they used. She remembered that they had acted this way in
the past, even before she was aware of her abductions.
She was lying next to her husband when the independent hybrid
activity began.
There's like five of them coming in from the foot of my bedroom
.... And they're coming in fast. They're not gray ones. There's
one that looks, it looks like it's more gray. But it's still a
hybrid that's white. The one looks really close to being human
.... He's got long hair almost like [my husband] Ed's ... I think
they came in a clump. I was like on my side. The foot of the bed
is down there -- I was looking down. I must've turned my head and
been looking down, because there's ... I don't think there's fi
ve of them. They came in a cluster, but the one is coming up
ahead. He doesn't look happy. He looks mean ... God, he's on top
of me.
Ed is lying right next to you? Mm-hmm. There's nothing I can do.
Well, was this guy wearing anything originally?
.... He's got nothing on him ... I'm looking over toward my
bedroom door, 'cause three of them are going in, they're going
into the kids' room. My kids are going to see this *****.
How do you know?
'Cause they're standing near the door.
The kids are standing in the doorway looking at you?
Yeah.
While he's on top of you?
Yeah ... I'm being told this is going to happen to my kids. If I
keep this up, it's going to happen to my kids.
If you keep ... keep this up? Keep what up?
The [detector] and fighting back.
Well, he's on top of you. Is this a full-fledged business, in
other words, is this just a demonstration, or does he just -- ?
I don't know, it's everything. I'm wishing I was dead. I see ...
he gets off of me and there's another one coming over. I can see
that first one going over to [my daughter] Janey. Oh, God.
The first one who just got up from you?
Mm-hmm.
What's he doing with Janey?
He's telling me he's going to make her do things if I don't stop.
Oh, damn!
Does Janey react to this or just stand there and absorb it?
She's just real confused
And what's [the other one] up to?
I can't tell you. I can't. Oh, *****! Oh, God. I'm down alongside
my bed on my knees. I'm doing oral sex on this *****!
Now, this is what they're gonna make Janey do if I don't stop
this. And probably the other ones. I feel such shame. ...Now the
other three kids are watching this also?
Mm-hmm.
Does this proceed all the way as well, or is it just a
demonstration?
No, no, it proceeds. God!
Does this guy say anything, or is it just the main guy who's
talking, the first guy?
He's not saying anything, but I can sense his anger. He can be so
mean.
What happens when he's finished?
I'm standing up. They're shuffling all the kids back into their
room. The first one is right in my face. He's really angry. I'm
not going to do anything. I don't want to do anything to make
them angry again.
How does he express his anger to you?
It's inside my head -- I just know. He said they're going to hurt
my kids.
Beverly:
Beverly's experiences were similar. On one occasion, three
hybrids, whom she had encountered before, came into her room,
took her out of bed, and began a night of sexual intimidation and
terror.
First they made Beverly remember a conversation with a trusted
confidante during her adolescence. The confidante had told her
not to give her body away unless she was sure, because except for
her heart, it was her most precious possession. Then the hybrids
told Beverly that they could take her body whenever they wanted
and that she was always vulnerable and never safe. One hybrid
raped her, and she was forced to perform fellatio upon another.
They pinched her, twisted her skin, and hurt her without leaving
marks. They pushed an unlit candle into her vagina. They then
told her she had caused her children to be abducted.
In a different abduction event, the hybrids put images in
Beverly's mind of themselves as her close friends. They then
raped her and forced her to perform fellatio with two other
hybrids. They hit her, bit her, pinched her, and pulled her hair.
On another occasion hybrids made her envision her six- year-old
daughter walking into a room ringed with naked hybrids who had
erections; she was led to believe that her daughter would be
raped by all of them.
During yet another event, the hybrids sat Beverly in a chair,
stood around her, and filled her mind with horrendous images. She
saw a graveyard with the bodies of people she loves, including
her children, who had been hacked to death and were covered with
blood. She saw a car almost hitting her child, who was saved at
the last moment by an invisible hybrid. Beverly understood that
unless she was more cooperative (there was no evidence that she
had ever been uncooperative), the hybrid would not save her son.
She saw a crucifixion scene with loved ones, including her
children, hanging on crosses. Then the hybrids put images of
religious figures in her mind and assaulted her.
They do things like, you know, pinch your skin and turn it, just
enough that drives the ***** out of you but it doesn't bruise. And
pull your arms back and neck back or legs, you know, just one on
one side and one on the other side and pull your legs apart until
you think your muscles are going to tear. Things like that, that
hurt and are cruel. And pulling hair and yanking your head back,
you know? Things that hurt and nobody can see it.
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| User: "Mike McWilliams" |
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| Title: Re: How consciousness really works |
18 Oct 2005 09:25:40 AM |
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elson wrote:
Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Yes, of course, but that is Stuart Hameroff's idea not mine. Roger
Penrose discusses it in his books. :-)
In my theory there is a giant local quantum hologram wave that couples
to those electrons forming a two-way feedback control loop that
spontaneously organizes itself adapting to the sensory information
passed to those electrons. That giant quantum hologram is our mind -
different levels of course not all conscious. The giant quantum wave is
immune to the deterioration of heat because of P.W. Anderson's
Sarfatti is partly right about the giant quantum hologram as our
mind. We perceive using holo-vision (or claivoyancy) that the
quantum hologram as information has complexity especially when as it
pertains to emotional integration. This is why those who have
high EQ (Emotional Quotience) have more complex and sophisticated
quantum hologam (also known as aura). At a certain level of
sophistication, it can become an independent vehicle of
consciousness (this is what is latent in humans and how we
will evolve). Now the breakaway Greys factions (as former slaves
You know nothing about evolution... there would be very little advantage
conferred by being distracted by auras... In fact, I would consider it a
liability in a population that can't also see them.
created by genetic engineering by a master ET race long time ago)
have very poor quantum hologram because they can't integrate
higher emotions well. As a result, they initiated the Hybrid
Project to instill in them some human qualities. Remember the
top most portion of the quantum hologram is the soul matrix
which interconnects to highest dimensions (and beyond). This is
something that no technology in the whole universe can provide. The
greys learned that only humans have the hologram information
complexity they need to integrate to themsleves to evolve. Hence
the purpose and core agenda of the UFO abductions phenomenon that
has escaped the attention of general scientists, biologists and
physicists.
You clearly know nothing about evolution.
elson
"generalized phase rigidity" that always accompanies the "two-way
relation" between all those electron qubits and the giant quantum
mind-wave. This permits backward-in-time "presponse" i.e. "signal
nonlocality" as defined by A. Valentini of the Perimeter Institute. This
effect has been observed by Libet, Radin and Bierman in separate
experiments. Hameroff & Penrose discuss these effects. It also explains
remote-viewing and all other paranormal phenomena.
Roger Penrose's model is different. He has "collapse" OR of a new kind.
I don't need "OR".
On Oct 15, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Russell S Clark wrote:
Dear Dr. Sarfatti,
I read in the Oxford Companion to the Mind that general anesthesia is on
account of the physical properties of the aneasthetic gas or vapor,
rather than due to its specific chemical properties. Specifically when
the concentration of the anaesthetic molecules reaches a concentration
in brain lipids of 0.05 molal, general anaesthesia ensues. Could this
Which anaesthetic? They have different EC, so just quoting one number is
foolishness.
transition be due to the effect of this concentration upon electron
mobility in the tubulin dimers? Say in triggering a switch of the
tubulin electron currents from quantum to classical - kind of like
unplugging the dimer electrons from interaction with quantum vacuum
electromagnetic field fluctuations? You know, like switching the
brain's computation from networked to offline computation?
I guarantee that anaesthetics don't change electron mobility.
Thanks for any response and references from your writings/postings.
I have 3 books out on http://amazon.com
My website is http://stardrive.org
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