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22 Aug 2005 09:48:47 AM |
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"How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
"How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?"
"Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from
mediocre minds." - A. Einstein
One of the basic beliefs of modern physics is that the
velocity of light is the same wherever and whenever it is measured. It is,
in
the language of physics, invariant. To illustrate this understanding, let us
consider an example in which a rocket ship passes Mars on its way towards
Earth.
On the rocket ship and on Mars are two radio transmitters arranged so that,
at
the instant the ship passes Mars and transmitters are at the same distance
from
Earth, both transmitters send a signal towards Earth. Along the route, test
stations observe the passage of the signals and report that the signals pass
each station simultaneously, exactly in accordance with the requirements of
Special Relativity. (Radio signals differ from light signals only in their
frequency. Relativistically, their behavior is identical..)
This observation presents no problem if the radio signals is
are waves propagating through a medium (e.g.- the Aether) as sound does
though
air. The velocity of a wave propagating through a medium is the velocity of
propagation of that wave though the medium. The velocity of propagation of
the
sound of a gunshot is independent of the velocity of the gun while the
velocity
of the bullet is not. The observation presents a difficulty, however, if we
regard the photons which makeup the radio wave as particles which are
emitted
from the source and travel ballistically to the target. Such would seem to
be
the concept of the propagation of light when one considers the apparent
banishment of the Aether following the acceptance of Special Relativity. If
there is no medium, then the observably same velocity of the two radio waves
could only occur if the transmitter on the rocket ship had measured its
velocity
with respect to the transmitter on Mars and adjusted the velocity of its
transmitted signal so as to cause the two signals to travel together.
The side by side propagation of the radio signals presents no
problem if one accepts that they are a vibrational disturbance traveling
through
a medium (e.g. - the Aether), but if there is no medium it would seem to
require
that some sort of "magic" be involved. The presence of magic in physical
processes is more difficult for the writer to accept than is the existence
of
the classical Aether. This conclusion is particularly true since the Aether
has
been shown to be conventionally unobservable but has never been shown to be
non-existent. The latter conclusion results from the fact that physicists
have
jumped from an unproven assertion to a foregone conclusion. Dr. Einstein did
warn that the non-existence of the Aether had not been proven, what had been
proven was that it was not necessary for computations of relativistic
effects.
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http://einsteinhoax/gravity.htm; ("Gravity" {1987}); and
http://einsteinhoax/relcor.htm ("Corrections to Special Relativity" {1997}).
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: "How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
22 Aug 2005 10:12:20 AM |
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Rettel wrote:
"How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?"
"Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from
mediocre minds." - A. Einstein
Oh the delicious irony of that quotation!
[snip ignorant crap]
http://www.freefarts.com/farts.html
Move cursor over blinkers to hear Retic's lecture.
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer retic (Ernest Wittke),
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete3.png
http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
http://www.meninhats.com/d/20040430.html
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
http://b5.sdvc.uwyo.edu/bab5/snds/argcstpd.wav
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>
The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999)
[snip]
Hey, stooopid spammer Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of
the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or
three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic
corrections being applied. NAVSTAR Block II GPS satellites (currently
being launched as replacements) have two rubidium and two cesium
atomic clocks.
Internal inconsistencies in SR (meaning inconsistencies of a purely
mathematical logical nature) automatically lead to contradictions in
number theory, itself, and arithmetic, since the mathematics of
Minkowski geometry is equiconsistent with the theory of real numbers
and with arithmetic.
<http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/Datasheets/rfs2f.pdf>
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation
<http://wugrav.wustl.edu/people/CMW/update98.pdf>
<http://www.astro.northwestern.edu/AspenW04/Papers/lorimer1.pdf>
<http://www.vallis.org/publications/tesidott.pdf>
Equivalence Principle testing
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0111236
Geometric structure of reality
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0103044
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0307140
GR structure, especially Part 4/p. 7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
<http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf>
Nature 425 374 (2003)
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html>
Relativity in the GPS system
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Amer. J. Phys. 71 770 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 121101 (2004)
falling light
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
<http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf>
http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/cesium.shtml
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0008012
Hafele-Keating Experiment
http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
<http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1473_1.asp>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0405160
Black hole evaporation
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0409089
Spin-2 gravitons have problems
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.strings/msg/ba31a00f5f26277a>
(so does the proposal)
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113
<http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/pdf/prl83-3585.pdf>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301024
Phys. Rev. Lett. 93 261101 (2004)
Nordtvedt Effect
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403292
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310723
WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Survey
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
Dark matter candidates
<http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/frames.html>
Carroll on what it all means.
Special Relativity is physics on a topologically trivial Lorentzian
manifold with a metric whose curvature tensor is zero. This is a
perfectly diffeomorphism-invariant condition and does not require
any particular coordinate choice. It is invariant under
the full group of diffeomorphisms. The Poincare group is
the group of *isometries* of the metric in special relativity.
The Special Relativity metric is *non-dynamical* (unlike GR). It
defines the coupling *constants* of your theory. If you change the
metric in any nontrivial way you are changing your theory. An
operation can only be called a "symmetry" of a special-relativistic
(non-gravitational) theory if it preserves the metric, and therefore
the symmetry of special-relativistic theories is the Poincare group
only. General Relativity (gravitation) has a dynamic metric.
NIM A 355 537 (1995)
Physics Letters B 328 103 (1994)
Physical Review Letters 64 1697 (1990)
Physical Review Letters 39 1051 (1977)
Physical Review 135 B1071 (1964)
Physics Letters 12 260 (1964)
Europhysics Letters 56(2) 170-174 (2001)
General Relativity and Gravitation 34(9) 1371 (2002)
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
<http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/ae_1905_error.htm>
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
Longitudinal and transverse mass
Physics Today 58(3) 34 (2005)
Time passage, equator vs. poles
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0306076
<http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/gps/absolute-gps-1meter-3.ASP>
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
If anyone
provides a significant rebuttal that cannot be objectively answered, the
material at the Website will be withdrawn.
Right, like your head has ever been withdrawn from your ***** - even
when you *****.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Traveler" |
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| Title: Re: "How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
22 Aug 2005 11:30:36 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:12:20 -0700, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote:
[snip ignorant crap]
IOW, Uncle ***** has no clue as to how light determines how fast to
travel. ahahaha... Stoopid ineducable moron. ahahaha.. But then again,
the same could be said of the other ***** kissers and mental midgets on
sci.physics: ***** van de merde, Sam Wormlette, Autistic Bilge, Billy
Bobba, etc... ahahaha... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: "How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
22 Aug 2005 10:13:45 AM |
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Rettel wrote:
"How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?"
Thanks for registering "The Einstein Hoax" at crank dot net.
http://www.google.com/search?q=einstein+hoax+site%3Awww.crank.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
22 Aug 2005 11:33:30 AM |
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This statement is false.
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| User: "Helmut Wabnig EmailAddress" |
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| Title: Re: "How Does Light "Know" How Fast to Travel?" |
22 Aug 2005 12:18:52 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2005 09:33:30 -0700, wrote:
This statement is false.
Really? Is that true?
w.
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