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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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03 May 2007 08:24:07 AM |
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How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
Well if I used photons the answer would be 6 trillion. Did anyone ever
count electrons? Reality is electrons like pins,or needles. We can
create an intense electrical field at the point of a needle,and it can
create ions in the atoms in the air.(positive ions flow to the pin head
and negative flow outward. We even can create a "voltage multiplier"
with this physics. Thus converting alternating current of the
electricity source to a high-voltage direct current that charges up the
ionizer needles. Take this current to a capacitor(charges it up) This
increases the amounts of charge to raising the voltage. Reading another
post this morning it asked what is voltage? Easy to remember if we
relate voltage to water pressure. Bert
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
03 May 2007 09:10:43 AM |
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:25604-4639E277-196@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
Well if I used photons the answer would be 6 trillion. Did anyone ever
count electrons?
Wouldn't you first have to know how big an electron is? Would that be a
classical pin or a quantum pin?
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
03 May 2007 11:46:49 AM |
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CWaters Good question. I'm going with the exact pin point area orf a
needle of steel.(I hope) Quantum dot like points are to hard to figure.
Feel electrons like to migrate around a needle(steel) point. Bert
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs... |
03 May 2007 09:30:59 PM |
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If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs
any number can occupy the same exact place.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs... |
03 May 2007 09:49:54 PM |
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On May 3, 7:30 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs
any number can occupy the same exact place.
Fruitloop, you have no idea what a cooper pair is.
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs... |
03 May 2007 09:54:25 PM |
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On May 3, 8:30 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs
any number can occupy the same exact place.
Electrons have presence which is created
because they are charges moving at high
speed.
To stay within a small volume, they must turn, creating
acceleration, creating a magnetic field. Only two can
share the same volume: they do it like this:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/He.GIF
When the atom is gone, the pair follows the same
path, their magfields reinforcing
each other- Cooper pair.
That's as close as you can cram them.
John
John
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs... |
04 May 2007 11:20:06 AM |
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On May 3, 10:54 pm, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On May 3, 8:30 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
If the electrons are coherent Cooper pairs
any number can occupy the same exact place.
Electrons have presence which is created
because they are charges moving at high
speed.
To stay within a small volume, they must turn, creating
acceleration, creating a magnetic field. Only two can
share the same volume: they do it like this:http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/He.GIF
When the atom is gone, the pair follows the same
path, their magfields reinforcing
each other- Cooper pair.
That's as close as you can cram them.
Not even wrong! Pauli would have loved you.
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: Bose- and Cooper pair-condensates. |
03 May 2007 10:52:11 PM |
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You can lase Bosons, Mr. Malibu,
putting as many of them as you want in the same exact place.
Quoting " www.Comp.Nus.EDU.SG/~plau/acad/PC1323-Particles.pdf ":
" The electrons pair up with a counterpart with opposite spin
resulting in a net integer spin in each Cooper Pair.
Hence the Cooper Pair as a ' composite particle '
with net integer spin is a Boson. ".
Quoting:
www.Physics.SJTU.EDU.CN/index_en.php?mc_id=2&sc_id=35&atc_id=95
" It will be shown that
the basic principle underlying Laser gyroscopes
and other Quantum Interference Detectors is identical, and consequently
only the measuring technique will change if the operating medium
is changed from Laser light ( photon beams ) to particle beams
( electrons, ions, atoms, Bose- and Cooper pair-condensates ). ".
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
04 May 2007 03:51:34 PM |
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How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin??
The question implies..."at the same time"...is it possible to answer this
question given heisenberg's uncertainty principle?
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| User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?=" |
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| Title: A condensate of fermion pairs. |
04 May 2007 09:58:21 PM |
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When paired, even fermions ( e.g. electrons )
can occupy the same place at the same time.
Quoting " www.NIST.GOV/public_affairs/releases/fermi_condensate.htm ":
" [ www.NIST.GOV/public_affairs/images/Fermicond3DHR.jpg ]
False color images of
a condensate formed from pairs of fermion potassium atoms.
Higher areas indicate a greater density of atoms.
Images from left to right correspond
to the increasing strength of attraction between the atoms
that form fermion pairs as the magnetic field strength is varied. ".
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: A condensate of fermion pairs. |
04 May 2007 10:29:04 PM |
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On May 4, 7:58 pm, Jeff...Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
When paired, even fermions ( e.g. electrons )
can occupy the same place at the same time.
Idiot. Do you have any concept of why Cooper pairs exist?
Explain to me why Cooper pairs cannot form in vacuum but they can form
in condensed matter.
Quoting "www.NIST.GOV/public_affairs/releases/fermi_condensate.htm":
" [www.NIST.GOV/public_affairs/images/Fermicond3DHR.jpg]
False color images of
a condensate formed from pairs of fermion potassium atoms.
Higher areas indicate a greater density of atoms.
Images from left to right correspond
to the increasing strength of attraction between the atoms
that form fermion pairs as the magnetic field strength is varied. ".
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
03 May 2007 12:45:35 PM |
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On May 3, 9:24 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Well if I used photons the answer would be 6 trillion. Did anyone ever
count electrons? Reality is electrons like pins,or needles. We can
create an intense electrical field at the point of a needle,and it can
create ions in the atoms in the air.(positive ions flow to the pin head
and negative flow outward. We even can create a "voltage multiplier"
with this physics. Thus converting alternating current of the
electricity source to a high-voltage direct current that charges up the
ionizer needles. Take this current to a capacitor(charges it up) This
increases the amounts of charge to raising the voltage. Reading another
post this morning it asked what is voltage? Easy to remember if we
relate voltage to water pressure. Bert
Well you should be able to fit an infinite number of photons on the
head of a pin since they are bosons. Electrons, on the other
hand,.obey the Pauli exclusion principle and would mutually repel each
other, making it harder and harder to squeeze more of them in.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
03 May 2007 01:19:18 PM |
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On May 3, 10:45 am, Igor <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:24 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Well if I used photons the answer would be 6 trillion. Did anyone ever
count electrons? Reality is electrons like pins,or needles. We can
create an intense electrical field at the point of a needle,and it can
create ions in the atoms in the air.(positive ions flow to the pin head
and negative flow outward. We even can create a "voltage multiplier"
with this physics. Thus converting alternating current of the
electricity source to a high-voltage direct current that charges up the
ionizer needles. Take this current to a capacitor(charges it up) This
increases the amounts of charge to raising the voltage. Reading another
post this morning it asked what is voltage? Easy to remember if we
relate voltage to water pressure. Bert
Well you should be able to fit an infinite number of photons on the
head of a pin since they are bosons. Electrons, on the other
hand,.obey the Pauli exclusion principle and would mutually repel each
other, making it harder and harder to squeeze more of them in.
You could shortcut that by stuffing them all within a Schwarzschild
radius..
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: How many Electrons Can Fit on the head of a Pin?? |
03 May 2007 02:06:20 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178216358.762370.261820@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 3, 10:45 am, Igor <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 9:24 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Well if I used photons the answer would be 6 trillion. Did anyone ever
count electrons? Reality is electrons like pins,or needles. We can
create an intense electrical field at the point of a needle,and it can
create ions in the atoms in the air.(positive ions flow to the pin
head
and negative flow outward. We even can create a "voltage multiplier"
with this physics. Thus converting alternating current of the
electricity source to a high-voltage direct current that charges up
the
ionizer needles. Take this current to a capacitor(charges it up) This
increases the amounts of charge to raising the voltage. Reading
another
post this morning it asked what is voltage? Easy to remember if we
relate voltage to water pressure. Bert
Well you should be able to fit an infinite number of photons on the
head of a pin since they are bosons. Electrons, on the other
hand,.obey the Pauli exclusion principle and would mutually repel each
other, making it harder and harder to squeeze more of them in.
You could shortcut that by stuffing them all within a Schwarzschild
radius..
The trick being to get them in before the black hole evaporates
them back out, maybe as other particles!
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