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28 Jul 2007 10:41:21 AM |
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how to build a nuclear power plant? |
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
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| User: "Dear Leader" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 11:44:05 AM |
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"gloopencrotum" <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
go take lots of pictures of one up real close.
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| User: "balwant dixit" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 10:50:55 AM |
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Give a contract to a French Company, since in France up to 80% of
electricity is generated through nuclear power plants. ..........BND
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| User: "Nuki Mouse" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 02:07:03 PM |
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"balwant dixit" <bdixit@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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Give a contract to a French Company, since in France up to 80% of
electricity is generated through nuclear power plants. ..........BND
Most French plant are based on (American) GE, Westinghouse, and Babcock &
Wilcox designs.
Nuki Mouse
--
"This is just my opinion, I maybe wrong" D. Miller
"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
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| User: "Vernon North Vernon" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 05:00:17 PM |
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In article <1185637281.072336.96670@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
gloopencrotum@hotmail.com says...
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
Buy a Matel "nuclear power plant kit". Add water. Stir. Stand back.
Verno
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 11:15:00 AM |
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In sci.physics gloopencrotum <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
Depends on where you are, but in the US, first get an Evironmental
Impact Report done, file the application to build a power plant
with the local regulator, file the application to build a reactor
with the Feds and probably also the locals.
Once all that is approved, simply hire a good contractor.
Nothing to it.
--
Jim Pennino
Remove .spam.sux to reply.
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| User: "Nuki Mouse" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 02:04:33 PM |
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<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
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In sci.physics gloopencrotum <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
Depends on where you are, but in the US, first get an Evironmental
Impact Report done, file the application to build a power plant
with the local regulator, file the application to build a reactor
with the Feds and probably also the locals.
Once all that is approved, simply hire a good contractor.
Nothing to it.
You forgot hiring a really good PR firm. Building a Reactor Plant is fairly
straight foreword, its the local people. activist, and anti-nuke groups that
the trouble. Many people, even environmentalist, agree Nuclear power plants
are better than fossil fuel plants but still no one wants to live next to
one.
Nuki Mouse
--
"This is just my opinion, I maybe wrong" D. Miller
"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 03:15:02 PM |
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In sci.physics Nuki Mouse <Nuki_mouse@nospam.com> wrote:
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
news:uk6sn4-cqm.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics gloopencrotum <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
Depends on where you are, but in the US, first get an Evironmental
Impact Report done, file the application to build a power plant
with the local regulator, file the application to build a reactor
with the Feds and probably also the locals.
Once all that is approved, simply hire a good contractor.
Nothing to it.
You forgot hiring a really good PR firm. Building a Reactor Plant is fairly
straight foreword, its the local people. activist, and anti-nuke groups that
the trouble. Many people, even environmentalist, agree Nuclear power plants
are better than fossil fuel plants but still no one wants to live next to
one.
Yep, and I also forgot to include all the building permits and the
seismic report.
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Jim Pennino
Remove .spam.sux to reply.
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| User: "Dear Leader" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 10:02:45 PM |
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<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
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In sci.physics Nuki Mouse <Nuki_mouse@nospam.com> wrote:
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
news:uk6sn4-cqm.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics gloopencrotum <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
Depends on where you are, but in the US, first get an Evironmental
Impact Report done, file the application to build a power plant
with the local regulator, file the application to build a reactor
with the Feds and probably also the locals.
Once all that is approved, simply hire a good contractor.
Nothing to it.
You forgot hiring a really good PR firm. Building a Reactor Plant is
fairly
straight foreword, its the local people. activist, and anti-nuke groups
that
the trouble. Many people, even environmentalist, agree Nuclear power
plants
are better than fossil fuel plants but still no one wants to live next to
one.
Yep, and I also forgot to include all the building permits and the
seismic report.
forget all that, just scale it down by a factor of 1000, to desk size.
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| User: "gloopencrotum" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 05:11:03 PM |
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On Jul 28, 4:41 pm, gloopencrotum <gloopencro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
There are different types of nuclear reactors. Most are used for power
generation, but some can also produce plutonium for weapons and fuel.
Two components are common to all reactors, control rods and a coolant.
Control rods determine the rate of fission by regulating the number of
neutrons. These rods consist of neutron-absorbing elements such as
boron. The coolant removes the heat generated by fission reactions.
Water is the most common coolant, but pressurized water, helium gas,
and liquid sodium have been used.
Slow-neutron reactors operate on the principle that uranium-235
undergoes fission more readily with thermal or slow neutrons.
Therefore, these reactors require a moderator to slow neutrons from
high speeds upon emerging from fission reactions. The most common
moderators are graphite (carbon), light water (H2O), and heavy water
(D2O). Since slow reactors are highly efficient in producing fission
in uranium-235, slow-neutron reactors operate with natural or slightly
enriched uranium. The reactors at Hanford, which produced plutonium
for U.S. nuclear weapons, and the one at Chernobyl were water-cooled,
graphite-moderated, slow-neutron reactors. Today, most U.S. reactors
used for generating electric power employ light water as both
moderator and coolant. Light-water reactors are classified as either
pressurized-water reactors (PWR) or boiling-water reactors (BWR),
depending on whether the coolant water is kept under pressure or not.
The long time periods, typically 12 to 18 months, between refueling of
light-water reactors make it difficult to use them as a source of
plutonium.
There is a problem with light-water reactors: while slowing some
neutrons, light water also absorbs many others. This means that light-
water reactors require slightly enriched (up to 20% U-235) uranium
fuel to sustain the fission reaction. Heavy-water reactors do not
suffer from this problem and can thus use natural uranium as fuel.
However, the task of isolating the small amount of D2O present in
natural water requires considerable amounts of electricity. The
Canadian nuclear program emphasizes heavy-water reactors. Heavy water
is classified as a "sensitive material" because a nation possessing it
can produce plutonium directly from natural uranium, thus eliminating
the need for enrichment.
Fast-breeder reactors are distinguished from other reactors by the
fact that they produce more fuel than they consume. For each fission,
more than one neutron is absorbed by U-238 to produce Pu-239.
Breeding, therefore, requires lots of neutrons. At least one neutron
is required to sustain the chain reaction and more than one is
required to breed Pu-239. Since a fission event produces between two
and three neutrons, the reactor requires use of all available
neutrons. More neutrons are produced when fission is produced by fast-
neutron fission in Pu-239. Thus breeder reactors use plutonium or
highly enriched uranium as fuel with no moderator present to slow the
neutrons. The design of fast-breeder reactors poses greater safety
problems than those of other reactor types. The challenge is to
develop a safe fast-breeder reactor that is economically competitive
with thermal (slow-neutron) reactors, even when the lower fuel costs
are accounted for. Currently the price of natural uranium and
enrichment is not high enough to justify the additional costs
associated with the use of breeder reactors. Thus, breeder reactors
are more complex than other types of reactors and raise concerns about
the proliferation of plutonium.
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| User: "Nuki Mouse" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 07:24:38 PM |
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"gloopencrotum" <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 4:41 pm, gloopencrotum <gloopencro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
There are different types of nuclear reactors. Most are used for power
generation, but some can also produce plutonium for weapons and fuel.
Two components are common to all reactors, control rods and a coolant.
Control rods determine the rate of fission by regulating the number of
neutrons. These rods consist of neutron-absorbing elements such as
boron. The coolant removes the heat generated by fission reactions.
Water is the most common coolant, but pressurized water, helium gas,
and liquid sodium have been used.
Modern control rods use Hafnium not Boron. Hafnium absorbs several times
more neutrons per volume then boron, but in many reactors boron is added
directly to the reactor coolant to help maintain proper neutron flux and
criticality control.
Slow-neutron reactors operate on the principle that uranium-235
undergoes fission more readily with thermal or slow neutrons.
Therefore, these reactors require a moderator to slow neutrons from
high speeds upon emerging from fission reactions. The most common
moderators are graphite (carbon), light water (H2O), and heavy water
(D2O). Since slow reactors are highly efficient in producing fission
in uranium-235, slow-neutron reactors operate with natural or slightly
enriched uranium. The reactors at Hanford, which produced plutonium
for U.S. nuclear weapons, and the one at Chernobyl were water-cooled,
graphite-moderated, slow-neutron reactors. Today, most U.S. reactors
used for generating electric power employ light water as both
moderator and coolant. Light-water reactors are classified as either
pressurized-water reactors (PWR) or boiling-water reactors (BWR),
depending on whether the coolant water is kept under pressure or not.
The long time periods, typically 12 to 18 months, between refueling of
light-water reactors make it difficult to use them as a source of
plutonium.
New fuel rod design makes that 18 to 24 months between refueling
BTW both BWR (boilers) and PWR (pressurized) are pressurized. The difference
is the coolant is allowed to boil (at about 600psi) in a BWR and the
contaminated steam is used directly in the turbine. This makes the entire
turbine of a BWR and its support equipment radioactive (due to
contamination) and the turbine must be isolated in what is usually called a
Locked High Radiation Level due to radioactive gases in the steam while the
reactor is operating.
PZR (pressurized) maintain the water pressure at about 2000 psi and the
primary coolant is not allowed to boil into steam (except form a small
amount of boiling in the fuel assembles that helps heat transfer). The
primary coolant then goes though a giant heat exchanger called a Steam
Generator where it transfers it heat to a secondary system. That secondary
water (that never went through the reactor) is allowed to boil into clean
non radioactive steam to drive the turbine. Thus the Turbine and its
support systems should be clean and non-radioactive.
Should be clean, but it turns out Steam Generators especially as they get
older tend to developed leaks of the Radioactive Primary coolant into the
Secondary coolant, thus contaminating the turbine anyway but not nearly as
much as the BWR turbine.
Plus PZR are much more complex with additional systems needed to both
maintain the Steam Generators and the high water pressure. This complexity
was what helped cause the Three Mile Island accident.
There is a problem with light-water reactors: while slowing some
neutrons, light water also absorbs many others. This means that light-
water reactors require slightly enriched (up to 20% U-235) uranium
fuel to sustain the fission reaction. Heavy-water reactors do not
suffer from this problem and can thus use natural uranium as fuel.
However, the task of isolating the small amount of D2O present in
natural water requires considerable amounts of electricity. The
Canadian nuclear program emphasizes heavy-water reactors. Heavy water
is classified as a "sensitive material" because a nation possessing it
can produce plutonium directly from natural uranium, thus eliminating
the need for enrichment.
Fast-breeder reactors are distinguished from other reactors by the
fact that they produce more fuel than they consume. For each fission,
more than one neutron is absorbed by U-238 to produce Pu-239.
Breeding, therefore, requires lots of neutrons. At least one neutron
is required to sustain the chain reaction and more than one is
required to breed Pu-239. Since a fission event produces between two
and three neutrons, the reactor requires use of all available
neutrons. More neutrons are produced when fission is produced by fast-
neutron fission in Pu-239. Thus breeder reactors use plutonium or
highly enriched uranium as fuel with no moderator present to slow the
neutrons. The design of fast-breeder reactors poses greater safety
problems than those of other reactor types. The challenge is to
develop a safe fast-breeder reactor that is economically competitive
with thermal (slow-neutron) reactors, even when the lower fuel costs
are accounted for. Currently the price of natural uranium and
enrichment is not high enough to justify the additional costs
associated with the use of breeder reactors. Thus, breeder reactors
are more complex than other types of reactors and raise concerns about
the proliferation of plutonium.
The idea behind Fast Fission reactors (breeders) was to reuse the nuclear
fuel several times. First new uranium fuel would be used in a Heavy Water
plant or (after enrichment) used in a light water reactor. Then the spent
fuel would be enriched and reprocessed for use in a Breeder, which actually
was not so much to produce electricity but to increase the plutonium content
to the point it could be used as fuel in a BWR or PZR again. This process
might be repeated several times. But large scale Breeder reactors are very
expensive to operate, produce large amounts of radioactive gases &
contamination, and are much more dangerous to operate then thermal reactors.
Plus it turns out there is a lot more uranium ore around the world the
originally thought went the idea of a using a Breeder to make plutonium to
be used for fuel.
Nuki Mouse (ANSI Qual 3.1 Senior Radiation Technologist, Oconee Nuclear
Generating Station)
--
"This is just my opinion, I maybe wrong" D. Miller
"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
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| User: "Dear Leader" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
28 Jul 2007 09:20:36 PM |
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"Nuki Mouse" <Nuki_mouse@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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"gloopencrotum" <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185660663.075780.105010@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 4:41 pm, gloopencrotum <gloopencro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
There are different types of nuclear reactors. Most are used for power
generation, but some can also produce plutonium for weapons and fuel.
Two components are common to all reactors, control rods and a coolant.
Control rods determine the rate of fission by regulating the number of
neutrons. These rods consist of neutron-absorbing elements such as
boron. The coolant removes the heat generated by fission reactions.
Water is the most common coolant, but pressurized water, helium gas,
and liquid sodium have been used.
Modern control rods use Hafnium not Boron. Hafnium absorbs several times
more neutrons per volume then boron, but in many reactors boron is added
directly to the reactor coolant to help maintain proper neutron flux and
criticality control.
yea, I have a box of Boron powder I wash clothes with, cheap stuff.
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| User: "Nuki Mouse" |
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| Title: Re: how to build a nuclear power plant? |
29 Jul 2007 07:59:09 AM |
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"Dear Leader" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote in message
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"Nuki Mouse" <Nuki_mouse@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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"gloopencrotum" <gloopencrotum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 4:41 pm, gloopencrotum <gloopencro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi,
how does one build a nuclear power plant please?
thanks.
There are different types of nuclear reactors. Most are used for power
generation, but some can also produce plutonium for weapons and fuel.
Two components are common to all reactors, control rods and a coolant.
Control rods determine the rate of fission by regulating the number of
neutrons. These rods consist of neutron-absorbing elements such as
boron. The coolant removes the heat generated by fission reactions.
Water is the most common coolant, but pressurized water, helium gas,
and liquid sodium have been used.
Modern control rods use Hafnium not Boron. Hafnium absorbs several times
more neutrons per volume then boron, but in many reactors boron is added
directly to the reactor coolant to help maintain proper neutron flux and
criticality control.
yea, I have a box of Boron powder I wash clothes with, cheap stuff.
Believe it or not, that is pretty much the same power we use in reactors,
just refined to "nuclear grade." One problem is boron powder is as slick as
oil or ice and you can't see it if any spills on the floor while handling
it.
Nuki Mouse
--
"This is just my opinion, I maybe wrong" D. Miller
"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
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