Science > Physics > How to calculate Vacuum Energy Density (120 magnitude)
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"Tarop" |
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13 May 2006 06:53:01 PM |
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How to calculate Vacuum Energy Density (120 magnitude) |
Hi,
How did they calculate the value of vacuum energy density? Did
they use quantum field theory alone or did they take into account
the early universe vaccum conditions of the Big Bang model? I
know the calculations is more than 120 magnitude greater than
that observed... the worse fine tuning case in all of physics. I'm
asking this because according to the cyclic universe theory
authors, what they did is re-adjust the vacuum conditions of
the early universe and they didn't come up with 120 magnitude
but the right one so it seems that the 120 magnitude calculations
is based on the vacuum conditions in the early universe? How
is the calculations done?
Thanks.
Tarop
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: How to calculate Vacuum Energy Density (120 magnitude) |
13 May 2006 07:39:20 PM |
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"Tarop" <taropyoyo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1147564381.626468.312550@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Hi,
|
| How did they calculate the value of vacuum energy density? Did
| they use quantum field theory alone or did they take into account
| the early universe vaccum conditions of the Big Bang model? I
| know the calculations is more than 120 magnitude greater than
| that observed... the worse fine tuning case in all of physics. I'm
| asking this because according to the cyclic universe theory
| authors, what they did is re-adjust the vacuum conditions of
| the early universe and they didn't come up with 120 magnitude
| but the right one so it seems that the 120 magnitude calculations
| is based on the vacuum conditions in the early universe? How
| is the calculations done?
See Milonni's book "The Quantum Vacuum..." or Volovik's book, "The
Universe in a Helium Droplet". The "vacuum" energy density that you are
speaking of is for the quantum "vacuum" bosonic content. As it turns
out, it is cancelled out by the quantum "vacuum" fermionic content which
ends up negative. According to the two authors. The result of the
caculation for bosonic content is this,
rho_o(w) = hbar*w^3/(2pi^2*c^3)
Where rho_o(w) is the spectral energy density as a function of w,
angular frequency, hbar is the reduced Planck constant, and c is the
speed of light. To get the energy density within a range you integrate
this from w1 to w2. Which ends up being,
hbar(w2^4 - w1^4)/(8pi^2*c^3)
In the range of visible light from 400 nm to 700 nm, this is about 220
erg/cm^3 or about 1.37E8 MeV/cm^3. Quite a bit of energy in that
centimeter cubed just in the visible light range! ;-) Take w1 to be
zero and w2 to be at the Planck scale and you will get your 120 orders
of magnitude.
I suspect that the bosonic content is just what the quantum "vacuum"
energy density could be as a maximum and that the quantum "vacuum"
doesn't really have the bosonic energy density content. So that leaves
us with the dilemma of the negative fermionic content. Solution...
shove it into another spacetime that is partially intersecting with
ours. A modified Dirac Sea that can work. If interested you can read
more about it at the links below. Be sure to see also,
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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| User: "Tarop" |
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| Title: Re: How to calculate Vacuum Energy Density (120 magnitude) |
14 May 2006 03:18:39 AM |
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FrediFizzx wrote:
"Tarop" <taropyoyo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1147564381.626468.312550@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Hi,
|
| How did they calculate the value of vacuum energy density? Did
| they use quantum field theory alone or did they take into account
| the early universe vaccum conditions of the Big Bang model? I
| know the calculations is more than 120 magnitude greater than
| that observed... the worse fine tuning case in all of physics. I'm
| asking this because according to the cyclic universe theory
| authors, what they did is re-adjust the vacuum conditions of
| the early universe and they didn't come up with 120 magnitude
| but the right one so it seems that the 120 magnitude calculations
| is based on the vacuum conditions in the early universe? How
| is the calculations done?
See Milonni's book "The Quantum Vacuum..." or Volovik's book, "The
Universe in a Helium Droplet". The "vacuum" energy density that you are
speaking of is for the quantum "vacuum" bosonic content. As it turns
out, it is cancelled out by the quantum "vacuum" fermionic content which
ends up negative. According to the two authors. The result of the
caculation for bosonic content is this,
rho_o(w) = hbar*w^3/(2pi^2*c^3)
Where rho_o(w) is the spectral energy density as a function of w,
angular frequency, hbar is the reduced Planck constant, and c is the
speed of light. To get the energy density within a range you integrate
this from w1 to w2. Which ends up being,
hbar(w2^4 - w1^4)/(8pi^2*c^3)
In the range of visible light from 400 nm to 700 nm, this is about 220
erg/cm^3 or about 1.37E8 MeV/cm^3. Quite a bit of energy in that
centimeter cubed just in the visible light range! ;-) Take w1 to be
zero and w2 to be at the Planck scale and you will get your 120 orders
of magnitude.
I suspect that the bosonic content is just what the quantum "vacuum"
energy density could be as a maximum and that the quantum "vacuum"
doesn't really have the bosonic energy density content. So that leaves
us with the dilemma of the negative fermionic content. Solution...
shove it into another spacetime that is partially intersecting with
ours. A modified Dirac Sea that can work. If interested you can read
more about it at the links below. Be sure to see also,
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
Do you believe that parameters of the quantum vacuum is
dependent on initial conditions of the Big Bang? A group
of researchers tried to adjust the initial conditions
parameters to come up with values that is not
"120 magnitude difference" between calculations and
observations. See:
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/10/5/3/1
Pls. try to avoid if possible this silly second spacetime, modified
Dirac sea thing which is just an attempt at a newtonian explanation
of what is not newtonian.
Tarop
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: How to calculate Vacuum Energy Density (120 magnitude) |
14 May 2006 12:20:27 PM |
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"Tarop" <taropyoyo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx wrote:
| > "Tarop" <taropyoyo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:1147564381.626468.312550@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > | Hi,
| > |
| > | How did they calculate the value of vacuum energy density? Did
| > | they use quantum field theory alone or did they take into account
| > | the early universe vaccum conditions of the Big Bang model? I
| > | know the calculations is more than 120 magnitude greater than
| > | that observed... the worse fine tuning case in all of physics. I'm
| > | asking this because according to the cyclic universe theory
| > | authors, what they did is re-adjust the vacuum conditions of
| > | the early universe and they didn't come up with 120 magnitude
| > | but the right one so it seems that the 120 magnitude calculations
| > | is based on the vacuum conditions in the early universe? How
| > | is the calculations done?
| >
| > See Milonni's book "The Quantum Vacuum..." or Volovik's book, "The
| > Universe in a Helium Droplet". The "vacuum" energy density that you
are
| > speaking of is for the quantum "vacuum" bosonic content. As it
turns
| > out, it is cancelled out by the quantum "vacuum" fermionic content
which
| > ends up negative. According to the two authors. The result of the
| > caculation for bosonic content is this,
| >
| > rho_o(w) = hbar*w^3/(2pi^2*c^3)
| >
| > Where rho_o(w) is the spectral energy density as a function of w,
| > angular frequency, hbar is the reduced Planck constant, and c is the
| > speed of light. To get the energy density within a range you
integrate
| > this from w1 to w2. Which ends up being,
| >
| > hbar(w2^4 - w1^4)/(8pi^2*c^3)
| >
| > In the range of visible light from 400 nm to 700 nm, this is about
220
| > erg/cm^3 or about 1.37E8 MeV/cm^3. Quite a bit of energy in that
| > centimeter cubed just in the visible light range! ;-) Take w1 to
be
| > zero and w2 to be at the Planck scale and you will get your 120
orders
| > of magnitude.
| >
| > I suspect that the bosonic content is just what the quantum "vacuum"
| > energy density could be as a maximum and that the quantum "vacuum"
| > doesn't really have the bosonic energy density content. So that
leaves
| > us with the dilemma of the negative fermionic content. Solution...
| > shove it into another spacetime that is partially intersecting with
| > ours. A modified Dirac Sea that can work. If interested you can
read
| > more about it at the links below. Be sure to see also,
| >
| > http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0601110
| >
| > FrediFizzx
| >
| > http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
| > or postscript
| > http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
| >
| > http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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| Do you believe that parameters of the quantum vacuum is
| dependent on initial conditions of the Big Bang?
Very doubtful.
| A group
| of researchers tried to adjust the initial conditions
| parameters to come up with values that is not
| "120 magnitude difference" between calculations and
| observations. See:
|
| http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/10/5/3/1
|
| Pls. try to avoid if possible this silly second spacetime, modified
| Dirac sea thing which is just an attempt at a newtonian explanation
| of what is not newtonian.
What do you think "bubble" means in that article? What do you think
Figure 1 is showing? A Dirac Sea of fermionic content is not even close
to being "Newtonian". I am mystified why you would think so.
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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