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"Sea Squid" |
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24 Mar 2005 02:08:39 AM |
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How to find out the hidden men in the jungles? |
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: How to find out the hidden men in the jungles? |
24 Mar 2005 02:10:38 AM |
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"Sea Squid" <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer
guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting the hidden men and their location?
I believe it's called Fiction.
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| User: "Mike Yarwood" |
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| Title: Re: How to find out the hidden men in the jungles? |
24 Mar 2005 05:57:10 AM |
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"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote in message
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"Sea Squid" <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer
guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting the hidden men and their location?
I believe it's called Fiction.
It could be the old magicians "forcing" trick where the "bad guys" are
somehow forced to take up whatever positions the green dots indicate?
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| User: "CWatters" |
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24 Mar 2005 06:09:38 AM |
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"Mike Yarwood" <mpyarwood@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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It could be the old magicians "forcing" trick where the "bad guys" are
somehow forced to take up whatever positions the green dots indicate?
I guess if you wanted to build such a system you would use a satellite
fitted with a state of the art IR camera that could detect their body heat
through tree and cloud cover. Then transmit the info down to a ground based
handheld unit. The first part might be a little hard but who knows what the
military can build these days.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:13:31 AM |
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CWatters wrote:
"Mike Yarwood" <mpyarwood@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:d1u9ul$3kd$1@titan.btinternet.com...
It could be the old magicians "forcing" trick where the "bad guys"
are
somehow forced to take up whatever positions the green dots
indicate?
I guess if you wanted to build such a system you would use a
satellite
fitted with a state of the art IR camera that could detect their body
heat
through tree and cloud cover. Then transmit the info down to a ground
based
handheld unit. The first part might be a little hard but who knows
what the
military can build these days.
You need to ask tj Frazir how it's done, because if it's impossible to
build a gadget, then he's already done it, got bored with his incessant
success, and moved on to his next accomplishment of mythic proportions.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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24 Mar 2005 09:50:46 AM |
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I would bury deep 4 microphones and use the speed of sound in ground .
If I bury 2 microphones and you walk I can convert sound into time .
Fire a mic and let it lay where it is .
fire another sound mic so you can listen to a field between 2 mics you
fired a mile away.
anyone talks walks or iches thier asses Ill hear thier position down
to a foot in that mile with a mic equal a big dish to hear a wisper 100
yards away.
Fire another set at 2 miles .
what ever aria you want to listen to and identifie exsact locations.
A pc program can put all the sounds in the field on a mapped grid .
I might not see what your doing but Ill know where you are at what
tree.
IF you were drunk in your rack and my ship sank ,,, the deckhouse would
start its engine and sail on anyway .
The deckhouse is one touph *****.
But then Ill take this 500 foot long ice breaker 60 feet wide with 18
under water and ram ice 5 feet thick at 15 knots.
If it hit a reef at 15 knots ,,sorry for the reef but the boat
didnt feal a thing .
I could park it up on the rocks and it would not get hurt.
Just the skin on this boat is 2 inch under the water line with a
frame evry 20 inches all the way around.
The inside of the frame has 3/8 inner hull.
Its all horisonal frame curved with up and down ties welded between.
This was end to end built by stacking instead of built end to end by
putting more ship on the end of the ship so it could bust off .
This hull was biult end to end and up 500 feet long instead of biult
50 feet long a pice at a time its 500 feet long a pice at a time and its
much stronger than the crap anyone else biult.
I know where ships bust and this bust was biult out.
I can set one deck 500 feet long better than 10 decks 50 feet long.
And the main frame is end to end not top to bottom like ribs on a fish
..
try snapiing mine in 1/2 !!!!!!!
You wount bend no tanker I build in 1/2 .
It wount snap like a lake frieghtor if you picked on end up and dropped
it from 130 feet into the sea.
You wount bust any boat I build in the center .
MY oilrig floats .
The deckhouse allways doubles as a boat on a ship I biult.
The deckhouse is a steal barge with a double hull and the lower galley
turns into a ballast tank . If the cargo is on fire then sink the back
first and get the deckhouse away from the sinking burning ship.
IF I biult you a fishing boat 1000 tons then 1/2 the deckhouse would
float no matter what.
The life boat is allways the first casulty .
If the ship sank in 3 minutes the deck house wount.
pulls a getaway cord and the dechouse is a steal barge .
Then even if it sinks dinner will be on time.
did you know not till 2 of the 4 men in the sub were dead ,,would the
navy let some idiot with a home made camera in a can with a hook and a
cable tyed to it go down and drag the sub up in 15 minutes ??????????
When the navy captan saw the ex buoy green can turned into deep sea
ROV he said OH its a channel marker !
Put the VCR inside and made a sinker out of the big green can .
Used our entea cable for vcr tv cable extension caulk and extension
cords.
pulled it out like a bad tooth.
we welded the green channel marker i stole on my way out ad put it
back.
I put the port hole I stole off the botedeck in with the tig but removed
it with the plazma cutter.
Toulk an hour to get there an we had a deep ROV with a hook in our tv
screen and went fishing for a navy sub.
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| User: "Charles Krug" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:37:29 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:10:38 GMT, CWatters <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be>
wrote:
"Sea Squid" <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer
guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting the hidden men and their location?
I believe it's called Fiction.
It's important to control the Ficton Flux through the subspace
interface. Otherwise, all bets are off.
Fictons are fairly easy to detect. It's controlling them that's the
trick.
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| User: "" |
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24 Mar 2005 10:29:23 AM |
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Didn't see the movie, but can tell you the real world is mighty
impressive--if US forces didn't show restrain today--it would be all
over very quickly and without even a whimper.
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:24:26 AM |
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In article <424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
Sea Squid <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
It seems a little far-fetched the way the movie described it. But to try
to give an explanation, infrared imaging from orbit. They can be
differentiated from wild animals because they're looking at a bunch of
green dots with bulk motion in a tactically important direction. A troop
of monkeys wouldn't travel so consistently fast and in the same direction.
--
"Not that there's anything wrong with just lying around on your back. In
its way, rotting is interesing too... It's just that there are other ways
to spend your time as a cadaver." -- Mary Roach, "Stiff", 2003.
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| User: "" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:56:47 PM |
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In article <d1uiiq$4gd$3@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>, (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
Sea Squid <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
It seems a little far-fetched the way the movie described it. But to try
to give an explanation, infrared imaging from orbit. They can be
differentiated from wild animals because they're looking at a bunch of
green dots with bulk motion in a tactically important direction. A troop
of monkeys wouldn't travel so consistently fast and in the same direction.
--
Given the typical ground and air temperatures in a jungle, you'll have
a very hard time distinguishing "warm bodies" from their surroundings.
It'll work better in Greenland:-)
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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24 Mar 2005 02:42:51 PM |
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In article <3YE0e.18$45.9849@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
In article <d1uiiq$4gd$3@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
Sea Squid <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
It seems a little far-fetched the way the movie described it. But to try
to give an explanation, infrared imaging from orbit. They can be
differentiated from wild animals because they're looking at a bunch of
green dots with bulk motion in a tactically important direction. A troop
of monkeys wouldn't travel so consistently fast and in the same direction.
--
Given the typical ground and air temperatures in a jungle, you'll have
a very hard time distinguishing "warm bodies" from their surroundings.
It'll work better in Greenland:-)
Depending on how well the sweat is evaporating, maybe look for cool
bodies? Still a little far-fetched.
They must have "scanned" them. That's what they always do on Star Trek.
--
"No one need be surprised that the subject of contagion was not clear to
our ancestors."-- Heironymus Fracastorius, 1546
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| User: "Jerry Avins" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:33:11 PM |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
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They must have "scanned" them. That's what they always do on Star Trek.
It's not as complicated as that. All you need to do is detect and
classify their life-aura emanations.
Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| User: "Neo" |
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28 Mar 2005 05:57:03 AM |
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It might also have been possible that they were mysteriously fed on
radioactive stuff and that kept them tracked on the scans. But the best
part was the sexy looking beautiful italian model in the dirty ragged
dress moving about with utmost concern for the starving inhabitants.
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| User: "" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:57:04 PM |
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In article <d1v8ob$cc8$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>, (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <3YE0e.18$45.9849@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
In article <d1uiiq$4gd$3@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
(Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <424273e0$1@news.starhub.net.sg>,
Sea Squid <Sea.Squid@hotmail.com> wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
It seems a little far-fetched the way the movie described it. But to try
to give an explanation, infrared imaging from orbit. They can be
differentiated from wild animals because they're looking at a bunch of
green dots with bulk motion in a tactically important direction. A troop
of monkeys wouldn't travel so consistently fast and in the same direction.
--
Given the typical ground and air temperatures in a jungle, you'll have
a very hard time distinguishing "warm bodies" from their surroundings.
It'll work better in Greenland:-)
Depending on how well the sweat is evaporating, maybe look for cool
bodies? Still a little far-fetched.
Hmm, could be a neat project, contrast as function of temperature and
humidity. More studies required.
They must have "scanned" them. That's what they always do on Star Trek.
Yep, must be this:-)
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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24 Mar 2005 07:37:51 PM |
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In article <ktI0e.19$45.10269@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
In article <d1v8ob$cc8$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <3YE0e.18$45.9849@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
Given the typical ground and air temperatures in a jungle, you'll have
a very hard time distinguishing "warm bodies" from their surroundings.
It'll work better in Greenland:-)
Depending on how well the sweat is evaporating, maybe look for cool
bodies? Still a little far-fetched.
Hmm, could be a neat project, contrast as function of temperature and
humidity. More studies required.
Homeland security, securing our nation's borders, coyotes smuggling in
terrorists, soccer moms and apple pie... <sniff> Do I smell money?
--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. "
-- Gene Spafford, 1992
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| User: "" |
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24 Mar 2005 11:40:01 PM |
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In article <d1vq1f$hto$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>, (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <ktI0e.19$45.10269@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
In article <d1v8ob$cc8$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
(Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
In article <3YE0e.18$45.9849@news.uchicago.edu>,
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote:
Given the typical ground and air temperatures in a jungle, you'll have
a very hard time distinguishing "warm bodies" from their surroundings.
It'll work better in Greenland:-)
Depending on how well the sweat is evaporating, maybe look for cool
bodies? Still a little far-fetched.
Hmm, could be a neat project, contrast as function of temperature and
humidity. More studies required.
Homeland security, securing our nation's borders, coyotes smuggling in
terrorists, soccer moms and apple pie... <sniff> Do I smell money?
Oh, yeah!!! Lots of money.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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24 Mar 2005 10:29:40 AM |
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Sea Squid wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from wild
animals?
Did you ever smell an African?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:42:05 AM |
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Sea Squid wrote:
In the american chavinstic movie The Tears of the Sun,
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/tearsofthesun/index.html
Whenever the African followers are close on the Americans, the
computer guy
would find some green dots on his computer, what is the theory behind
detecting
the hidden men and their location? How do they differentiate men from
wild
animals?
First the device would need some objective way to distinguish the
jungle from the mammals. Just taking a realtime optical image would be
like looking with the naked eye. So it'd be taking thermal images,
because the mammals would be at higher temperatures than the plants.
The most efficient method then of picking the people out would be for
the technician to just look at the image, because the human eye/brain
is already hardwired to recognise anthropoids. It'd be
counterproductive to artificially convert the hot spots to abstract
dots.
It's possible to circumvent the human eye and just photograph the
jungle and process the image in real time with a cutting edge computer
algorithm to recognise the shapes of humans wandering between the
trees. But I don't think that such algorithms are yet reliable enough
to be betting the lives of the whole platoon, and once more, Why would
it convert the people to dots? It'd probably just artificially change
the iamges of the people to make them more visible to the tech'.
It could conceivably use some other sophisticated method. Instruments
might be sweeping the jungle for other signatures of human behavior
that have to be processed by a computer algorithm. In that case it
might have to represent the people as spots on a screen. But such a
system would probably find the layers of trees too much of a source of
noise in the signal from just one vantage point; they'd need at least
one other tech' way off to one side, pointing another identical sensor
in at a right angle to the first one. The two instruments' data would
then have to be linked in real time by radio and corelated rapidly by
computer. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think such a gadget is
really available at this time.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Jerry Avins" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:59:22 AM |
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Mark Martin wrote:
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It's not unthinkable, but I don't think such a gadget is
really available at this time.
How discouraging!
Jerry
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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24 Mar 2005 09:13:11 AM |
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Jerry Avins wrote:
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
....I suppose that depends on what a photon torpedo is.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Mike Yarwood" |
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24 Mar 2005 09:58:19 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111677191.777767.199520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Jerry Avins wrote:
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
...I suppose that depends on what a photon torpedo is.
-Mark Martin
Ha - photon torpedoes would be a bit overkill I think but ship mounted
phasers could easilly be programmed to avoid your own side with only a small
seperation distance ( if you have a really good weaopons systems man on
board of course).
I think Jerry may be right and they've just put a simplistic GUI interface
displaying green blobs onto a standard tricorder so you don't have to be a
genius vulcan to determine the number and range of the lifeforms in the
vicinity. Solved! Thank you.
Mike
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| User: "Andor" |
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24 Mar 2005 10:32:42 AM |
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Mike wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote:
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
Ha - photon torpedoes would be a bit overkill I
think but ship mounted phasers could easilly be
programmed to avoid your own side with only a small
seperation distance ( if you have a really good
weaopons systems man on board of course).
Well, we do have Scotty. But why bother? Simply tell the ship computer
to automatically neutralize any hostile movement within a radius of the
scout party using the ship-mounted razor-phaser --- to hell with the
Prime Directive!
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| User: "Ben Bradley" |
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24 Mar 2005 11:12:10 AM |
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On 24 Mar 2005 08:32:42 -0800, "Andor" <an2or@mailcircuit.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote:
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
Ha - photon torpedoes would be a bit overkill I
think but ship mounted phasers could easilly be
programmed to avoid your own side with only a small
seperation distance ( if you have a really good
weaopons systems man on board of course).
Well, we do have Scotty. But why bother? Simply tell the ship computer
to automatically neutralize any hostile movement within a radius of the
scout party using the ship-mounted razor-phaser --- to hell with the
Prime Directive!
That must be the Composite Directive, made up of fancy plastics.
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http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
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| User: "Ben Bradley" |
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28 Mar 2005 01:19:01 PM |
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On 24 Mar 2005 08:32:42 -0800, "Andor" <an2or@mailcircuit.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote:
P.S. Can photon torpedoes be used in jungle warfare?
Ha - photon torpedoes would be a bit overkill I
think but ship mounted phasers could easilly be
programmed to avoid your own side with only a small
seperation distance ( if you have a really good
weaopons systems man on board of course).
Well, we do have Scotty. But why bother? Simply tell the ship computer
to automatically neutralize any hostile movement within a radius of the
scout party using the ship-mounted razor-phaser --- to hell with the
Prime Directive!
That must be the Composite Directive, made up of fancy plastics.
-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
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