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11 Aug 2005 02:51:29 PM |
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HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science |
First this:
http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg
Then this:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational
than the one above taken in 1996.
This time the Hubble took a photo through a black patch of sky
--through a black patch of sky in the the Hubble telescope, that is
-- and it was like peering through an eight-foot-long straw.
To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement.
The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 --
have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, of physics,
of geology - of many disciplines of science - not to mention
smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on
earth via evolution.
Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older)
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science |
11 Aug 2005 03:38:30 PM |
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<edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
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To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement.
Some peoples brains are more easily boggled than others.
But yes it's a nice photo.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science |
11 Aug 2005 03:08:31 PM |
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<edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
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First this:
http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg
Then this:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational
than the one above taken in 1996.
This time the Hubble took a photo through a black patch of sky
--through a black patch of sky in the the Hubble telescope, that is
-- and it was like peering through an eight-foot-long straw.
To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement.
The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 --
have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, of physics,
of geology - of many disciplines of science - not to mention
smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on
earth via evolution.
Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older)
Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let
alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution?
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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| Title: Re: HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science |
14 Aug 2005 08:00:56 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let
alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution?
Ditto that.
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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| Title: Re: HUBBLE PHOTOS Shaking Up ALL of Science |
12 Aug 2005 03:40:51 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
<edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1123789889.556589.186500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
First this:
http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg
Then this:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational
than the one above taken in 1996.
This time the Hubble took a photo through a black patch of sky
--through a black patch of sky in the the Hubble telescope, that is
-- and it was like peering through an eight-foot-long straw.
To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement.
The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 --
have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology, of physics,
of geology - of many disciplines of science - not to mention
smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on
earth via evolution.
Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older)
Oddly, I really cant see what is either mind-boggling about these photos let
alone how they rattle any of the theories of physics or evolution?
I'm not sure how odd that might be,
but shouldn't there be some sign of the
galaxies thinning out at those
distances according to Big Bang?
John
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| User: "T Wake" |
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14 Aug 2005 03:17:10 PM |
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"John Sefton" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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I'm not sure how odd that might be,
but shouldn't there be some sign of the
galaxies thinning out at those
distances according to Big Bang?
John
Not really. That would imply we were at the centre of the Universe which
isn't part of big bang theory.
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| User: "" |
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12 Aug 2005 10:06:37 PM |
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The universe is not expanding at an edge.
The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching.
Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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14 Aug 2005 03:17:38 PM |
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<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
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The universe is not expanding at an edge.
The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching.
Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch?
Its not stretching. The distance between large scale structures is
increasing.
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| User: "Nick" |
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14 Aug 2005 11:42:30 PM |
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No it's stretching all right. The only other choice
is a boundary expanding at light speed where the
galaxies are moving *through space* away from each
other in a giant empty sphere.
There is no boundary. The universe is closed
and space is stretching inbetween the galaxies.
How do you like?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Aug 2005 02:56:58 AM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No it's stretching all right. The only other choice
is a boundary expanding at light speed where the
galaxies are moving *through space* away from each
other in a giant empty sphere.
Why is that the only other choice? If space is "stretching" or "moving" -
which direction is it moving in?
There is no boundary. The universe is closed
You have no idea if this is true or not. Within the visible universe it is
definitely not closed. If the universe is closed, where is the centre?
and space is stretching inbetween the galaxies.
The balloon analogy is a teaching tool not an accurate representation of
reality.
How do you like?
How do I like what?
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| User: "the softrat" |
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14 Aug 2005 08:59:38 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:17:38 +0100, in sci.physics "T Wake"
<taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote:
<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
news:1123902397.767784.258580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The universe is not expanding at an edge.
The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching.
Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch?
Its not stretching. The distance between large scale structures is
increasing.
Not really. Space *is* stretching. All space. Everywhere. Not just
'between large scale structures'. However motion of the components of
'large scale structures' due to their mass/energy may move the
components in a fashion to counter the local space stretch. It all
depends on the local Mass-Energy tensor....
the softrat
Sometimes I get so tired of the taste of my own toes.
mailto:softrat@pobox.com
--
Oyster--n., a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddish
expressions.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Aug 2005 02:54:42 AM |
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"the softrat" <softrat@pobox.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:17:38 +0100, in sci.physics "T Wake"
<taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote:
<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
news:1123902397.767784.258580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The universe is not expanding at an edge.
The space inbetween the galaxies is stretching.
Anybody know of the geometry of the space-stretch?
Its not stretching. The distance between large scale structures is
increasing.
Not really. Space *is* stretching. All space. Everywhere. Not just
'between large scale structures'. However motion of the components of
'large scale structures' due to their mass/energy may move the
components in a fashion to counter the local space stretch. It all
depends on the local Mass-Energy tensor....
Is there evidence that the distance between (say) protons in the nucleus is
increasing? I will freely admit it is a few years since I spent time in an
academic institution however I am fairly sure the expansion of space is
limited on a "local" scale by the attractive nature of gravity.
It is possible that the localised expansion could be to small to detect but
this would imply a sliding scale for H_0 which isn't consistent with the
observed data.
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| User: "" |
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15 Aug 2005 02:57:24 AM |
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Brainwashed by the education system!!!
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Aug 2005 03:05:46 AM |
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<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
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Brainwashed by the education system!!!
You have been brainwashed by your religious cult.
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| User: "PD" |
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12 Aug 2005 03:57:47 PM |
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wrote:
First this:
http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg
Then this:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational
than the one above taken in 1996.
This time the Hubble took a photo through a black patch of sky
--through a black patch of sky in the the Hubble telescope, that is
-- and it was like peering through an eight-foot-long straw.
To say the photo boggles the brain is quite an understatement.
Yeah, OK.
The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 --
have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology,
Really? How so?
of physics,
Really? How so?
of geology
Really? How so?
- of many disciplines of science - not to mention
smashing to smithereens the myth of the origin and ancestry of man on
earth via evolution.
Really? How so?
Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
Man as Old as Coal (undoubtedly a great deal older)
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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12 Aug 2005 06:19:16 PM |
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PD has the hiccups.
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| User: "Guy" |
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12 Aug 2005 09:42:14 PM |
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"goozlefotz" <granteer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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PD has the hiccups.
No. PD asks good questions.
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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13 Aug 2005 09:40:14 AM |
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Guy wrote:
"goozlefotz" <granteer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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PD has the hiccups.
No. PD asks good questions.
Just kidding because he repeated the same thing several times...
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| User: "J. Davidson" |
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12 Aug 2005 06:21:24 PM |
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SKS please explain to me why and how the photos are shaking people up.
Thanks!
Jackie
"://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Another mind-boggling photo taken last year and even more sensational
than the one above taken in 1996.
The repercussions have been enormous. The phots -- especially No. 2 --
have rattled many of the unshakeable theories of cosmology,
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| User: "goozlefotz" |
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12 Aug 2005 06:22:39 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg
Nice pix. It looks like somebody sneezed on the film after eating a
hamburger and a milkshake. After closer examination, a Whopper and a
vanilla shake.
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