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"Moderate Mammal" |
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10 Sep 2005 01:42:53 PM |
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Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/085121.shtml?3day
Any weather buffs wish to comment on the rarity of such an event? Or
are such paths relatively common?
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| User: "Col" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
10 Sep 2005 01:52:22 PM |
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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
news:f4a6i1ptandjt9cbb38rj161798te6hqj8@4ax.com...
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/085121.shtml?3day
Any weather buffs wish to comment on the rarity of such an event? Or
are such paths relatively common?
No, that would not be unusual at all.
However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
the north Atlantic westerly flow.
Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
causing it.
Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
11 Sep 2005 01:19:58 AM |
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In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 10 Sep 2005 at 19:52:22, Col wrote :
No, that would not be unusual at all.
However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
the north Atlantic westerly flow.
Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
causing it.
Why is it that even something as powerful as a hurricane cannot knock
blocking highs out of the way, though?
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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13 Sep 2005 03:12:57 PM |
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"Paul Hyett" <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8EAl39AOy8IDFwxF@activist.demon.co.uk...
| In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 10 Sep 2005 at 19:52:22, Col wrote :
| >
| >No, that would not be unusual at all.
| >However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
| >hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
| >in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
| >the north Atlantic westerly flow.
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| >Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
| >to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
| >causing it.
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| Why is it that even something as powerful as a hurricane cannot knock
| blocking highs out of the way, though?
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| Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Cheltenham was saved by the Brecon Beacons to the West in 1995.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/naturaldisasters/
Sevenoaks in Kent was renamed Threeoaks.
Hurricane in Britain
http://www.aviation-central.com/1940-1945/images/aeg1d-pr.jpg
Androcles.
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| User: "Jan M Sørensen" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
14 Sep 2005 01:13:17 AM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> skrev i melding
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"Paul Hyett" <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8EAl39AOy8IDFwxF@activist.demon.co.uk...
| In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 10 Sep 2005 at 19:52:22, Col wrote :
| >
| >No, that would not be unusual at all.
| >However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
| >hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
| >in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
| >the north Atlantic westerly flow.
| >
| >Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
| >to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
| >causing it.
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| Why is it that even something as powerful as a hurricane cannot knock
| blocking highs out of the way, though?
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| Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Cheltenham was saved by the Brecon Beacons to the West in 1995.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/naturaldisasters/
Sevenoaks in Kent was renamed Threeoaks.
Hurricane in Britain
http://www.aviation-central.com/1940-1945/images/aeg1d-pr.jpg
Androcles.
According to the news this morning the rest of Maria hit the western part of
Norway and dumped 156 mm (about 6 inches) of rain on the city of Bergen
during the last 24 hrs, causing lots of damage due to flooding.
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| User: "Scott" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
14 Sep 2005 08:00:03 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Paul Hyett" <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8EAl39AOy8IDFwxF@activist.demon.co.uk...
| In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 10 Sep 2005 at 19:52:22, Col wrote :
| >
| >No, that would not be unusual at all.
| >However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
| >hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
| >in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
| >the north Atlantic westerly flow.
| >
| >Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
| >to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
| >causing it.
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| Why is it that even something as powerful as a hurricane cannot knock
| blocking highs out of the way, though?
| --
| Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Cheltenham was saved by the Brecon Beacons to the West in 1995.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/naturaldisasters/
Sevenoaks in Kent was renamed Threeoaks.
It's my very fuzzy vague recollection that the storm that
toppled the trees wasn't tropical in origin at all, just
an extratropical storm on steroids, as it were. It had
hurricane-force winds, but was not a hurricane in structure.
Scott
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
14 Sep 2005 08:46:36 AM |
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"Scott" <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:dg96sj$i2f$1@news.doit.wisc.edu...
| Androcles wrote:
| > "Paul Hyett" <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
| > news:8EAl39AOy8IDFwxF@activist.demon.co.uk...
| > | In uk.sci.weather on Sat, 10 Sep 2005 at 19:52:22, Col wrote :
| > | >
| > | >No, that would not be unusual at all.
| > | >However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
| > | >hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's
remnants
| > | >in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
| > | >the north Atlantic westerly flow.
| > | >
| > | >Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions
leading
| > | >to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that
is
| > | >causing it.
| > |
| > | Why is it that even something as powerful as a hurricane cannot
knock
| > | blocking highs out of the way, though?
| > | --
| > | Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
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| > Cheltenham was saved by the Brecon Beacons to the West in 1995.
| > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/naturaldisasters/
| >
| > Sevenoaks in Kent was renamed Threeoaks.
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| It's my very fuzzy vague recollection that the storm that
| toppled the trees wasn't tropical in origin at all, just
| an extratropical storm on steroids, as it were. It had
| hurricane-force winds, but was not a hurricane in structure.
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Temperatures in Gravesend hitting 101F in 2003 weren't tropical either,
but it was bloody hot. Having spent 2001-2003 in Florida I didn't mind
it,
but those around me were wilting.
It's all a matter of what you consider "normal".
Katrina was just another normal hurricane for the Gulf/East coast,
which is why no special measures were taken before it hit.
Androcles.
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| User: "Michael Moroney" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
15 Sep 2005 10:10:42 AM |
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Somewhat related: Is there a reason why the famous "noname" storm of 1991
wasn't given a name? The national hurricane center plots it along with
other Atlantic tropical storms in 1991. Is it because of where it formed,
off the coast of Newfoundland? (see: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1991.gif)
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| User: "Howard Tenke" |
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20 Sep 2005 04:57:59 AM |
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Michael Moroney wrote:
Somewhat related: Is there a reason why the famous "noname" storm of 1991
wasn't given a name? The national hurricane center plots it along with
other Atlantic tropical storms in 1991. Is it because of where it formed,
off the coast of Newfoundland? (see: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1991.gif)
Actually there were 3 weather facrors involved in "The Perfect Storm"
1. Hurricane Grace
2. The Nor'easter
3. A continental cold front that came out of Canada.
I found a most intresting history on the storm on the NCDC web site.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/satellite/satelliteseye/cyclones/pfctstorm91/pfctstorm.html
I speculate the "No Name Hurricane" was not named because of its extra
tropical orgins. As much as I respect the people at the NHC/TPC if its
not in their box between the equator and the Tropic of Cancer they seem
to put the blinders on.
I have seen monster lows coming out of the Gulf of Alaska that hammer
the Pacific Northwest that for all intents and purposes look like
hurricanes and have tropical to hurricane force winds. All they are
missing is the convection of thunderstorms. Watch the GOES pictures
this fall and I can gurantee you'll see what I'm reffering to. Seattle
generally gets nailed by one of these lows right around Thanksgiving.
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| User: "Scott" |
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15 Sep 2005 11:14:25 AM |
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Michael Moroney wrote:
Somewhat related: Is there a reason why the famous "noname" storm of 1991
wasn't given a name? The national hurricane center plots it along with
other Atlantic tropical storms in 1991. Is it because of where it formed,
off the coast of Newfoundland? (see: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1991.gif)
That storm coincided with the famous Nor'easter off the
coast of New England (described in Sebastian Junger's book
'The Perfect Storm').
The storm was not named because the larger nor'easter in
which is was embedded was, at the time, winding down, and
the notion was that naming a hurricane then would serve
only to confuse. The hurricane was a very small storm,
i.e., it covered very little area.
I'm not sure what the Canadians did as the hurricane was
threatening their shore. I suppose you could just
make a storm warning, and ignore the tropical aspects
of the storm.
Scott
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| User: "Michael Moroney" |
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| Title: Re: Hurricane Maria to Strike Iceland??? |
16 Sep 2005 01:38:04 PM |
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Scott <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> writes:
Michael Moroney wrote:
Somewhat related: Is there a reason why the famous "noname" storm of 1991
wasn't given a name? The national hurricane center plots it along with
other Atlantic tropical storms in 1991. Is it because of where it formed,
off the coast of Newfoundland? (see: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1991.gif)
That storm coincided with the famous Nor'easter off the
coast of New England (described in Sebastian Junger's book
'The Perfect Storm').
It was two storms that merged into one? Or was it a nor'easter that got
some tropical characteristics? I know it was called "The Perfect Storm"
because conditions were all right (wrong) for that very bad storm to come
into existence.
The storm was not named because the larger nor'easter in
which is was embedded was, at the time, winding down, and
the notion was that naming a hurricane then would serve
only to confuse. The hurricane was a very small storm,
i.e., it covered very little area.
Yet a storm only needs to reach tropical storm force, not hurricane force
to get a name. Surely it must have been a tropical storm for a length of
time before reaching hurricane force. Even before then they'll list it
as "Tropical Depression 5" or something.
What I am really wondering is why the National Hurricane Center plots it
as if it was really one of "their" storms but didn't name it despite
it getting hurricane force winds. I was wondering if there was a silly
rule such as "it formed north of XX latitude so it doesn't qualify as a
tropical storm" I do see from this thread a storm with hurricane force
winds doesn't necessarily get a name if it's not considered a tropical
storm. If this rule applied why did they track it? It sat over the warm
Gulf Stream so it probably had tropical characteristics.
Also of interest there was a hurricane last year that struck the gulf
coast, nearly disintegrated over land, moved back over the Atlantic then
south again and reformed as a tropical storm and hit again not too far
from the original strike point. It kept the same name (Ivan?) so it was
still Ivan even though it had broken up to a large rainstorm at one point.
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| User: "Scott" |
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16 Sep 2005 01:54:16 PM |
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Michael Moroney wrote:
Scott <ScottLWI@mouse-potato.com> writes:
Michael Moroney wrote:
Somewhat related: Is there a reason why the famous "noname" storm of 1991
wasn't given a name? The national hurricane center plots it along with
other Atlantic tropical storms in 1991. Is it because of where it formed,
off the coast of Newfoundland? (see: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1991.gif)
That storm coincided with the famous Nor'easter off the
coast of New England (described in Sebastian Junger's book
'The Perfect Storm').
It was two storms that merged into one? Or was it a nor'easter that got
some tropical characteristics? I know it was called "The Perfect Storm"
because conditions were all right (wrong) for that very bad storm to come
into existence.
After I posted, I went to the NHC website and poked around.
Apparently, the nor'easter as it spun down settled over very
warm water, and in the low-shear center of the formerly very
strong storm, a small hurricane formed. The large envelope
of the former nor'easter still was producing strong-ish winds,
and a small hurricane was in the center of the circulation.
That small hurricane, however, had very little to do with
the winds on the periphery of the dying nor'easter. So the
nor'easter acquired tropical characteristics, but only over a
small portion of its circulation.
The storm was not named because the larger nor'easter in
which is was embedded was, at the time, winding down, and
the notion was that naming a hurricane then would serve
only to confuse. The hurricane was a very small storm,
i.e., it covered very little area.
Yet a storm only needs to reach tropical storm force, not hurricane force
to get a name. Surely it must have been a tropical storm for a length of
time before reaching hurricane force. Even before then they'll list it
as "Tropical Depression 5" or something.
What I am really wondering is why the National Hurricane Center plots it
as if it was really one of "their" storms but didn't name it despite
it getting hurricane force winds. I was wondering if there was a silly
rule such as "it formed north of XX latitude so it doesn't qualify as a
tropical storm" I do see from this thread a storm with hurricane force
winds doesn't necessarily get a name if it's not considered a tropical
storm. If this rule applied why did they track it? It sat over the warm
Gulf Stream so it probably had tropical characteristics.
The decision to forego naming it was made because of the
large amount of press ongoing regarding the now-decaying
nor'easter out of which the hurricane emerged. I think if
the hurricane that formed had been large and had threatened
land, the story would have been different. But a small,
very isolated hurricane that was (correctly) forecast to
fizzle before landfall -- I think it's easy to imagine the
confusion that would have accompanied its official naming.
The NHC plotting it now is simple acknowledgement that this
unusual system did exist. It did have a warm core, i.e.,
tropical characteristics in a low-shear environment.
Also of interest there was a hurricane last year that struck the gulf
coast, nearly disintegrated over land, moved back over the Atlantic then
south again and reformed as a tropical storm and hit again not too far
from the original strike point. It kept the same name (Ivan?) so it was
still Ivan even though it had broken up to a large rainstorm at one point.
Yes, that's Ivan. There was some considerable controversy on
whether the storm that hit LA/TX moving in from the ese was
actually trackable as the large storm that hit the FL panhandle
the week before, and apparently NHC was able to track it and
convince naysayers that it was. I do recall reading the first
forecast discussion on Ivan's rebirth making note of the "lively
discussions" at NHC.
Scott (not affiliated in any way with NHC, but I like their webpage!)
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10 Sep 2005 03:38:51 PM |
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Yes, but by this storm seems to deepen significantly by this time
tomorrow well before it gets absorbed the westerlies. If it reached the
required windspeed and pressure would it get its hurricane status back?
Col wrote:
"Moderate Mammal" <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
news:f4a6i1ptandjt9cbb38rj161798te6hqj8@4ax.com...
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/085121.shtml?3day
Any weather buffs wish to comment on the rarity of such an event? Or
are such paths relatively common?
No, that would not be unusual at all.
However what you have to remember is that it's not really the
hurricane that has travelled so far north, but merely it's remnants
in the form of a mass of warm air that has become entrained in
the north Atlantic westerly flow.
Certainly such warm air can intensify Atlantic depressions leading
to gales but it is most certainly *not* the hurricane itself that is
causing it.
Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk
http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co.uk/WeatherPictures.html
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10 Sep 2005 05:09:57 PM |
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<sanctified1@angelfire.com> wrote:
Yes, but by this storm seems to deepen significantly by this time
tomorrow well before it gets absorbed the westerlies. If it reached the
required windspeed and pressure would it get its hurricane status back?
Surely that depends on the "official" defintion of a hurricane? OK it
may have winds exceeding 75mph or whatever but does it also need to have
the classic eye etc. fed by warm sea temperatures. Many winter Atlantic
depressions seem to qualify as hurricanes if the wind speed parameter is
all that counts! Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I would care to
comment?
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11 Sep 2005 11:12:24 AM |
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"Purbeckview" <purbeckview@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<sanctified1@angelfire.com> wrote:
Yes, but by this storm seems to deepen significantly by this time
tomorrow well before it gets absorbed the westerlies. If it reached the
required windspeed and pressure would it get its hurricane status back?
Surely that depends on the "official" defintion of a hurricane? OK it
may have winds exceeding 75mph or whatever but does it also need to have
the classic eye etc. fed by warm sea temperatures. Many winter Atlantic
depressions seem to qualify as hurricanes if the wind speed parameter is
all that counts! Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I would care to
comment?
No it would not be classified as a hurricane. For it to be classed as a
hurricane it has to be tropical in nature (driven by convection). The reason
it deepens again is due to baroclinic energy sources which clearly
classifies it as a midlatitude depression. The NHC issued its final advisory
on the system yesterday (as it is now fully extratropical).
Adam
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11 Sep 2005 02:53:13 AM |
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What confuses me is why the NHC are still tracking the storm if it is
extra-tropical at this stage?
Do they not usually just ignore them after the transition? The graphic
posted by Keith implies that Maria is still a tropical storm when it makes
landfall in SE Iceland.
Jeremy
"Purbeckview" <purbeckview@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1h2p444.h30nba1exol0oN%purbeckview@gmail.com...
<sanctified1@angelfire.com> wrote:
Yes, but by this storm seems to deepen significantly by this time
tomorrow well before it gets absorbed the westerlies. If it reached the
required windspeed and pressure would it get its hurricane status back?
Surely that depends on the "official" defintion of a hurricane? OK it
may have winds exceeding 75mph or whatever but does it also need to have
the classic eye etc. fed by warm sea temperatures. Many winter Atlantic
depressions seem to qualify as hurricanes if the wind speed parameter is
all that counts! Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I would care to
comment?
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11 Sep 2005 03:39:34 AM |
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I agree with Jeremy - It will be a tropical depression - or at least have
the same wind speeds as one. The long tracking by them must have meant they
were concerned ?
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Paul Crabtree
Brampton, Cumbria
117m A.S.L
www.bramptonweather.co.uk
"Jeremy Handscomb" <jeremy@handscomb0.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dg0o0k$n7q$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
What confuses me is why the NHC are still tracking the storm if it is
extra-tropical at this stage?
Do they not usually just ignore them after the transition? The graphic
posted by Keith implies that Maria is still a tropical storm when it makes
landfall in SE Iceland.
Jeremy
"Purbeckview" <purbeckview@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1h2p444.h30nba1exol0oN%purbeckview@gmail.com...
<sanctified1@angelfire.com> wrote:
Yes, but by this storm seems to deepen significantly by this time
tomorrow well before it gets absorbed the westerlies. If it reached the
required windspeed and pressure would it get its hurricane status back?
Surely that depends on the "official" defintion of a hurricane? OK it
may have winds exceeding 75mph or whatever but does it also need to have
the classic eye etc. fed by warm sea temperatures. Many winter Atlantic
depressions seem to qualify as hurricanes if the wind speed parameter is
all that counts! Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I would care to
comment?
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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13 Sep 2005 02:57:15 PM |
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"Moderate Mammal" <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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They are common, the strength falling away with temperature.
Androcles.
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13 Sep 2005 03:15:37 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Moderate Mammal" <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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| Any weather buffs wish to comment on the rarity of such an event? Or
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| Keith
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They are common, the strength falling away with temperature.
Androcles.
Yes, but the strength of those storms often increases when the warm,
moist airmasses come into contact with the cold and dry polar airmass
over Greenland and so a storm that is no longer of Hurricane strength
often has windspeeds of Hurricane strengths in the vicinity of Iceland.
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13 Sep 2005 07:10:44 PM |
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http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/085121.shtml?3day
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| > | Any weather buffs wish to comment on the rarity of such an event?
Or
| > | are such paths relatively common?
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| > | Keith
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| > They are common, the strength falling away with temperature.
| > Androcles.
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| Yes, but the strength of those storms often increases when the warm,
| moist airmasses come into contact with the cold and dry polar airmass
| over Greenland and so a storm that is no longer of Hurricane strength
| often has windspeeds of Hurricane strengths in the vicinity of
Iceland.
I don't dispute it, but there is a considerable size difference between
a
hurricane and a tornado, the tornado having the greater wind speed.
I was asked to comment on the relative frequency of storm systems
heading NE, and the answers is that it is not at all uncommon.
Hugo left the Carolinas and another storm appears shortly after in
Britain, http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tracks/1989.gif.
I was living in Pittsburgh at the time, the storm was then weak
but clearly a storm and Pittsburgh was in the eye. NOAA gives up
tracking after the storm leave the USA <shrug>.
Androcles
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