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"Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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02 Sep 2005 03:34:56 AM |
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HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
Ladies & Gentlemen of America,
Instead of raving on now about the cyclone and its aftermath...
1) Why not implement a way to stop or at least slow down the huge thing on
its path, and do the same for tornadoes !
.... and in my view, the one of a True Geologist indeed, I know this is VERY
easy to do !. .
2) Why give excuses to people building a town under MSL, and pretending the
potential catastrophic situation should have been carried on and on ! ...
and wait for the announced denouement .
This indicates a complete ignorance of True Geology & an irresponsible
attitude indeed. ..
3) Why keep on building sea front and tornado path houses along the line
that is done in the USA i.e. some type of doll houses made with matches ?
Houses just laid down on a slab of concrete and hooked on to that without
walls and real foundations ? If you don't know to build houses other than
the Wild Far West ones, you have something to learn & right now indeed ! The
house I live in which is a terrace house with strong walls did sustain in
Dec 1999 winds of 210 km / h and there was damage at all ... and further we
live in high ground about 60m AMSL. All your houses are conceived and
thought with in mind budgets, costs, savings, race to the cheapest or more
economic concepts. None of the higher intelligence approach involving proper
environment, proper construction and duration for centuries is of concern to
you, nor to your leaders
4) Why not consider the responsibility of that Oil & Coal & Atomic energy
industry in that catastrophe.... alternative solutions do exist but have
been fought by vested interest and have been maintained hidden from all. I
am making reference here to the immense Serb Genius Tesla & to his research
and findings !
5) Why do you keep on feeding like Hogs with your fast food which is real
***** indeed ! ... blurring your mind and tempering your spiritual evolution
towards higher spheres of discernment and awareness ! If you are unable to
go without carrion-like and other types of animals corpses bloody feeding ,
with the most awful consequence on your endocrinal system & genetic code and
the one of your children ... and not knowing and not wanting further to
know the superior approach of the Kosherout ( the Laws of Racial Purity) ,
you should be well advised to adopt at the very least the Laws of life of
the Hereditary Lords of Grande Bretagne.
( of course what precedes are my own discoveries, which I intent to share
with all people of goodwill )
6) Why not see the implication in that drama of the Agriculture Industry and
the Drought it generates by the use of Chemical Fertilisers pretending on
greater yields ... which they do not except by puffing things up with added
water ... and using 1 000 times more water than would be required with
organic grown and appropriate crops adapted to both climate and soil ! With
the result of water tables like the Texas one having lost 120 ft in about
15 years ! ... the trees dying as a result and the rivers running dry
7) Why not see in that drama the responsibility of the mad bankers and
financial brokers of NY, Chicago, London, Paris, Sydney, who have lost all
expected normal characteristics of Humanity, wild money greedy terrorists
pushing the fires of the Stock Exchanges steam engines right into the red
....for more profit, more return on investment, more slavery of the hogs like
feeding human beasts, more this and more that !
8) Why refuse to see the absolute & infinite intricacies of Natural Laws,
which bear terrific consequences for causes of trivial appearances ? ...
like for example the mutilation of children by some of the Zemite sects
pretending on religiosity and direct contact with godly spooks... in fact a
smoke screen to hide the real purpose of such degenerative practice, in
confirmation of the very limited intelligence of the Human animal ! I am the
one who has discovered the whole manipulation on Humanity generated by that
practice... leading to the preying mentality which is going to bring
Humanity at large to its loss ... if such is not stopped immediately by the
Zews & the Slamists
Nature Laws are clear, straight forward and do not suffer exception.
Those who infringe them, pay for it ! ... and this is good !
.... and some of us Celts , can see the consequences of the Ignorance or
Contempt for Cosmic Laws taking their toll !!!
.... and this is very refreshing
since proving indeed there's NO exception to Divine & Eternal Laws !
NO Immunity !
NO Impunity !
NO Forgiveness !
NO Forgetting !
.... AND THE NEW ORLEANS CATASTROPHE PROVES THIS !
Things are in fact very much simpler that it does appear, Cancer, Brain
Tumour, AIDS, Arthritis can be cured in 5 days flat, as I have discovered
!!! ... and other terrific results can be obtained easily, cheaply and
without of course any debilitating / poisonous drugs imposed by that
Quacking Parasites !!! .... but as people brain-washed in Universilities
are unable to conceive this to be possible ... patients affected by such
will continue to die like flies !
As much as there has never been any Glaciations, Continental Rafting ( EE is
the correct approach) Orogenesis in zillionz of yearzz ( achieved in fact in
a matter of a few hours), no erosion of Silicates by water & erosion of
river path by such, Carbonate sedimentation due to degradation of animals
bones etc
IN ALL fields of knowledge the wrong is preferred to right, and the
analytical, linear, mole-like approach is preferred to the Synthesis,
Universal eagle-like understanding !!!
.... AND THE NEW ORLEANS CATASTROPHE IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS !
Yours faithfully
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Exploration Geologist
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia
Founder of the True Geology
* The "Golden Rule" or true story of the Discovery of the Telfer Mine
Author Bob Sheppard President of the APLA (Australian Prospectors' Union)
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html ,
* As well as Dr Don Findlay's Geological Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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| User: "Robert Baer" |
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02 Sep 2005 04:13:32 AM |
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I answer as follows...if it is so easy to slow down and/or stop
hurricanes and tornadoes, then put your "expertise" where your big mouth is!
Many thousands of people and governments would gladly pay $$$ for
workable solutions.
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:33:19 AM |
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In article <0JURe.3754$4P5.3478@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Robert Baer <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote:
I answer as follows...if it is so easy to slow down and/or stop
hurricanes and tornadoes, then put your "expertise" where your big mouth is!
Many thousands of people and governments would gladly pay $$$ for
workable solutions.
Hurricanes are nature's stirring spoons. There are good things
about them.
/BAH
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| User: "Gerard Fryer" |
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03 Sep 2005 06:29:34 PM |
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On 2005-09-01 23:13:32 -1000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@earthlink.net> said:
I answer as follows...if it is so easy to slow down and/or stop
hurricanes and tornadoes, then put your "expertise" where your big
mouth is!
Many thousands of people and governments would gladly pay $$$ for
workable solutions.
A decade ago the US was making noises about weather modification in the
western Pacific to reduce the intensity of typhoons around Guam and the
CNMI. The Japanese asked them to give up on the idea--a lot of the
recharge of groundwater in the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, and China is
from typhoons.
Be careful what you ask for; you may get it.
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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04 Sep 2005 05:18:33 AM |
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Gerard,
This is not weather modification, which is not possible, but only
downgrading of intensity though punctual intervention.
Simple to implement and with no consequences on environment indeed.
Yours
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
"Gerard Fryer" <gerard@hawaii.edu> a écrit dans le message de news:
2005090313293416807%gerard@hawaiiedu...
On 2005-09-01 23:13:32 -1000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@earthlink.net> said:
I answer as follows...if it is so easy to slow down and/or stop
hurricanes and tornadoes, then put your "expertise" where your big mouth
is!
Many thousands of people and governments would gladly pay $$$ for
workable solutions.
A decade ago the US was making noises about weather modification in the
western Pacific to reduce the intensity of typhoons around Guam and the
CNMI. The Japanese asked them to give up on the idea--a lot of the
recharge of groundwater in the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, and China is
from typhoons.
Be careful what you ask for; you may get it.
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:55:33 AM |
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Sure ! ... and the solution like Mining Discoveries is evident once outlaid
.... and furthermore it will be free of charge !
But before that happens some Newmont Mining Rabble in the US, and some other
Newcrest & BHP Mining Rabble in Australia will have to put in step !
.... but I am in no hurry.
--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Founder of the True Geology
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
0JURe.3754$4P5.3478@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I answer as follows...if it is so easy to slow down and/or stop
hurricanes and tornadoes, then put your "expertise" where your big mouth
is!
Many thousands of people and governments would gladly pay $$$ for
workable solutions.
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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02 Sep 2005 06:44:48 AM |
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Using a finger dipped in purple ink, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@earthlink.net> scribed:
I answer as follows...
PLEASE don't feed the trolls.
This has NOTHING to do with ANY of the newsgroups it was spammed to.
--
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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| User: "Jo Schaper" |
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02 Sep 2005 09:23:45 AM |
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JP
In answer to questions 2-7:
It's because we're Americans by god and we don't have to make or show
any sense. The minority of thinking Americans agree with your points
2-7, but we are powerless to change anything about corporate or
collective behavior but ourselves. That is what freedom is about here.
It includes the freedom to be stupid. Which too many of us exercise
every day.
best,
Jo
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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02 Sep 2005 04:40:14 PM |
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Dear Jo,
Unknown to you, people are really conditioned by their way of life, i.e.
what they breathe, drink and eat, as well as their physical & mental
environment .
Not only does it conditions one's immediate genetic code through the
Endocrinal interface, ( yes, it does easily) a very important secret of
Mankind 's working, which I am the only one in the world to have entirely
discovered, and with all its implications. ... but it conditions as well the
outlook on life of individuals and of a whole society indeed.
Hence you are not powerless as you said, since you have the power to change
yourself a bit ( adult phase is limitative ) but foremost you children.
The knowledge & abeyance to the basic 7 Laws of life is of utmost
importance towards establishing an aware and peaceful society.
I have decided to share that great secret with all now, and in the interest
of all indeed.
In a coming thread I will probably today explain things in details for all
to understand, and draw indeed conclusion applicable to their own life.
With kind regards
jp
PS Johan 's knowledge of Cosmic Genius N. Tesla is very limitative indeed.
.... just in passing Tesla lodge 700 patents and is behind Bell and Marconi
inventions ! ... the latest incidentally having robbed 7 of Tesla 's
patents
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
"Jo Schaper" <joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> a écrit dans le message de
news: 11hgo4haklf8928@corp.supernews.com...
JP
In answer to questions 2-7:
It's because we're Americans by god and we don't have to make or show any
sense. The minority of thinking Americans agree with your points 2-7, but
we are powerless to change anything about corporate or collective behavior
but ourselves. That is what freedom is about here. It includes the freedom
to be stupid. Which too many of us exercise every day.
best,
Jo
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| User: "SBC Yahoo" |
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02 Sep 2005 10:56:01 AM |
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Prefect. And I have a solution that does not involve granulometry anything.
Strap Turdcaud in the path of the next hurricane (preferebly a 4 or 5) and
allow him to shout stop. I am sure it will obey his commands.
It would definately make me feel better. One less loon, the world would
have to be a little better off.
"Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" <Sir.JP@atlante.com> wrote in message
news:43180ebc$0$17199$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
Ladies & Gentlemen of Merica,
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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03 Sep 2005 02:45:41 AM |
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Well, the solution exists and it has been said.
The means to implement it exist as well, and the cost is very low in
comparison of the devastating effects of Hurricanes.
( Well documented indeed ).
But whatever is done as a result is equilateral to me, since nothing will be
outlaid until the Australian Collective Crime has been fully paid and atoned
for. The Criminal Australian Convict Rabble indeed not only persist and
sign, but as well refuse the evidence before its very eyes.
Going to live in such Land of Bastards is the worse thing anyone can do, as
that whole case wholly demonstrate.
Achieving what I did for such Australian Filth is, I have to admit, the
error of a lifetime.
--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Shadow Ambassador of Australia in France
(Commissioned to prevent French migration to Australia)
Australia Mining Pioneer
Exploration Geologist
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia
Founder of the True Geology
* The "Golden Rule" or true story of the Discovery of the Telfer Mine
Author Bob Sheppard President of the APLA (Australian Prospectors' Union)
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html ,
* As well as Dr Don Findlay's Geological Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:14:28 AM |
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I love ewes.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:05:02 PM |
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud wrote:
Ladies & Gentlemen of America,
Instead of raving on now about the cyclone and its aftermath...
1) Why not implement a way to stop or at least slow down the
huge thing on its path, and do the same for tornadoes !
What do you suggest? I suggest we try and find a large plug
at the bottom of the sea and pull it. That way we'd empty
the Atlantic so the hurricanes couldn't form.
... and in my view, the one of a True Geologist indeed,
I know this is VERY easy to do !. .
Well my method should be MODERATELY easy to do, once we find
that plug, but I bow to your superior knowledge of meteorology,
being a "true geologist".
3) Why keep on building sea front and tornado path houses along
the line that is done in the USA i.e. some type of doll houses
made with matches ? Houses just laid down on a slab of concrete
and hooked on to that without walls and real foundations ?
Hmm, you do have a semblance of a point there. If I lived anywhere
on the US East Coast or Gulf of Mexico, my house would be like the
Fortress of Sebastopol, on thirty foot stilts.
At the very least you'd think wooden houses had a small "refuge"
made of steel girders, to which the occupants could retreat and
be safe even if the rest of the house disappeared in a flurry
of flying boards and planks.
5) Why do you keep on feeding like Hogs with your fast food
which is real ***** indeed ! [...] If you are unable to go
without carrion-like and other types of animals corpses
bloody feeding [...] you should be well advised to adopt
at the very least the Laws of life of the Hereditary Lords
of Grande Bretagne.
who ate and drank like ogres - great example to follow, Sir Turkey!
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:59:19 PM |
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<john_ramsden@sagitta-ps.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1125777902.349062.234760@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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5) Why do you keep on feeding like Hogs with your fast food
which is real ***** indeed ! [...] If you are unable to go
without carrion-like and other types of animals corpses
bloody feeding [...] you should be well advised to adopt
at the very least the Laws of life of the Hereditary Lords
of Grande Bretagne.
who ate and drank like ogres - great example to follow, Sir Turkey!
Sir John, ,
In this you are wrong.
The Hereditary Lords of Grande Bretagne.ate & eat Kosher.
.... and so do I, with the difference that I apply the upgraded Kosherout
version 2.0 which I have developed, and consequently do not suffer
sickness of any kind, nor have seen a Quack in 45 years.
( nor will I need to see any by the way, until I decide to die )
I have to add that curing Cancer, Brain Tumour, AIDS etc, all those goodies
indeed takes about 5 days in my book.
.... but unfortunately this is not for the handing out, since knowing the
state of complete lack of Gratitude & Recognition of the Australia Convict
Colony , I would be afraid such excellent discovery finds its way to the
Antipodeans Rabble.
And please be careful about spelling my name next time, you spelt it
incorrectly above.
With best regards
--
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Shadow Ambassador of Australia in France
(Commissioned to prevent French migration to Australia)
Australia Mining Pioneer
Exploration Geologist
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia
Founder of the True Geology
* The "Golden Rule" or true story of the Discovery of the Telfer Mine
Author Bob Sheppard President of the APLA (Australian Prospectors' Union)
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html ,
* As well as Dr Don Findlay's Geological Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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| User: "Sunny" |
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03 Sep 2005 06:34:26 PM |
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" Jean-Paul Turd" < FALSE_SIR@KOOK_R_US.net.fr >
I have to add that curing Cancer, Brain Tumour, AIDS etc, all those
goodies indeed takes about 5 days in my book.
... but unfortunately this is not for the handing out, since knowing the
state of complete lack of Gratitude & Recognition of the Australia Convict
Colony , I would be afraid such excellent discovery finds its way to the
Antipodeans Rabble.
And please be careful about spelling my name next time, you spelt it
incorrectly above.
Name corrected.
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| User: "" |
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07 Sep 2005 02:07:11 PM |
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud wrote:
Ladies & Gentlemen of America,
Instead of raving on now about the cyclone and its aftermath...
1) Why not implement a way to stop or at least slow down the huge thing on
its path, and do the same for tornadoes !
Your idea. Your project.
I expect to see a report and complete workable design on my desk by
next Monday. Get to it; time's a wasting.
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| User: "Johan Wevers" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:16:30 AM |
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud <Sir.JP@atlante.com> wrote:
been fought by vested interest and have been maintained hidden from all. I
am making reference here to the immense Serb Genius Tesla & to his research
and findings !
He was quite clever in the beginning (inventing multiphase electrical
systems) but in his later years quite a nutcase. Every first-year
physics student can debunk his later nonsense easily. Refering to a
well-known crackpot doesn't give you much credit.
However, I do wonder why the Americans build so many houses of wood in
those areas. Not that building decent stone houses would help against
flooding, but it would against hurricanes.
--
ir. J.C.A. Wevers // Physics and science fiction site:
johanw@vulcan.xs4all.nl // http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/index.html
PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html
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02 Sep 2005 05:00:10 PM |
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In article <IM6y7J.5H8@vulcan.xs4all.nl>, Johan Wevers wrote:
Refering to a
well-known crackpot doesn't give you much credit.
Turdcaud doesn't have any credibility to start with.
However, I do wonder why the Americans build so many houses of wood in
those areas.
I remember saying exactly the same thing to an American friend of
mine, as we drove through the woods of New England to his wedding. His
answer was simple : "look around you". It took me a few seconds to see
the wood for the trees. Or rather, to see the lumber for the wood.
Still doesn't fully satisfy as an answer - why not use the wood
to make charcoal to bake bricks to give the termites indigestion.
--
Aidan Karley, FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N, 02°08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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02 Sep 2005 06:17:30 PM |
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--
"Aidan Karley" <doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.group> a
écrit dans le message de news:
VA.00000895.1069658b@validemailaddresstoa.news.group...
In article <IM6y7J.5H8@vulcan.xs4all.nl>, Johan Wevers wrote:
Refering to a
well-known crackpot doesn't give you much credit.
Turdcaud doesn't have any credibility to start with.
However, I do wonder why the Americans build so many houses of wood in
those areas.
I remember saying exactly the same thing to an American friend of
mine, as we drove through the woods of New England to his wedding. His
answer was simple : "look around you". It took me a few seconds to see
the wood for the trees. Or rather, to see the lumber for the wood.
Still doesn't fully satisfy as an answer - why not use the wood
to make charcoal to bake bricks to give the termites indigestion.
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Aidan Karley, FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N, 02°08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
So you reason in term of bricks, Turd Karley FGS ( Follish Ghastly Sod )
There is the option of building with Rocks and Portland Cement, and use the
wood to make beautiful furniture, and of course the timber-framework !
.... and not to burn it to make charcoal Foolish Ghastly Sod, to be burned
in turn to make your stupid bricks.
By the way bricks don't give termites indigestion, Turd Karley, termites
don't eat clay nor bricks of course. I thought appropriate to break that
news to you.
By the way here in La Rochelle we have mountains of termites, and we had
some at home.
With an old chemist friend we devised a system, and they are all gone now.
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It cost me 10 Euros in all to free my house of termites using special baits
outside the house, and they won't return.
Further more it is environment friendly. But it is too good for FSG of your
kind, Turdy Karly.
Coming back to the prevention of cyclones / hurricanes by my system, it is
very efficient indeed. But in Scotland you are not concerned indeed, so why
don't you shut up your mouth, Turdy ?
Finally coming back to that credibility issue, I have discovered 22
mineral deposits and have 3 mines to my name. On the part of a sterile
Gogologist of your kind, your precedent demonstrates indeed what FGS you
are Turdy Curly Queer Karley !
No regards
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Founder of the True Geology
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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| User: "Nobody" |
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03 Sep 2005 01:28:02 PM |
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After reading that - I know you've got to not be a real person
but rather a poorly written cgi script program that just strings
nonsenseicalasationality words together. You are most amusing
to read though. Your scrambled and looping babble always
makes me laugh.
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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02 Sep 2005 07:16:01 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:00:10 +0100, Aidan Karley
<doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.group> wrote:
In article <IM6y7J.5H8@vulcan.xs4all.nl>, Johan Wevers wrote:
Refering to a
well-known crackpot doesn't give you much credit.
Turdcaud doesn't have any credibility to start with.
However, I do wonder why the Americans build so many houses of wood in
those areas.
I remember saying exactly the same thing to an American friend of
mine, as we drove through the woods of New England to his wedding. His
answer was simple : "look around you". It took me a few seconds to see
the wood for the trees. Or rather, to see the lumber for the wood.
Still doesn't fully satisfy as an answer - why not use the wood
to make charcoal to bake bricks to give the termites indigestion.
The wood is a lot cheaper to ship.
In areas with a lot of clay you see a lot of brick construction.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "Aidan Karley" |
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02 Sep 2005 11:00:08 PM |
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In article <roqhh1lj37rc78127dm4ce0jrlc9tlp7ed@4ax.com>, Hatunen wrote:
Still doesn't fully satisfy as an answer - why not use the wood
to make charcoal to bake bricks to give the termites indigestion.
The wood is a lot cheaper to ship.
So ... one moment, shipping is in consideration ...
In areas with a lot of clay you see a lot of brick construction.
... and the next moment we're talking about local resources, so
ruling transportation down to the local minimum.
Nope, still don't get it.
Jo's answer in "Message-ID: <11hhd4tr0jhal64@corp.supernews.com>"
does make some sense, well at least it's internally consistent. Still
somewhat incomprehensible though:
Because Americans move so much during their lifetime, and do not
have the same sort of place-roots as Europeans do, they see no point in
erecting buildings that will endure for a hundred, 500 or 1000 years.
Well, as an Irishman dragged up in England, who lives in Scotland,
married to a Russian who wants to move to a hotter climate ... I guess I
don't exactly have terribly deep place-roots either. And having
participated in the joys of re-wiring a house that was last wied about
1900, for DC, I can appreciate some of the difficulties of living in old
build. But I don't see that as any reason for living in shoddy clap-trap
accommodation.
Hmmm, etymology of "clap-trap"? ...
http://www.worldwidewords.org/backissues/wbi050402.txt no, nothing to do
with clapboard construction which my memory was hinting at. WTF, it's
horribly early in the morning.
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Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N, 02°08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
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| User: "Jo Schaper" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
03 Sep 2005 01:31:48 PM |
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Aidan Karley wrote:
In article <roqhh1lj37rc78127dm4ce0jrlc9tlp7ed@4ax.com>, Hatunen wrote:
Still doesn't fully satisfy as an answer - why not use the wood
to make charcoal to bake bricks to give the termites indigestion.
The wood is a lot cheaper to ship.
So ... one moment, shipping is in consideration ...
In areas with a lot of clay you see a lot of brick construction.
... and the next moment we're talking about local resources, so
ruling transportation down to the local minimum.
Nope, still don't get it.
Jo's answer in "Message-ID: <11hhd4tr0jhal64@corp.supernews.com>"
does make some sense, well at least it's internally consistent. Still
somewhat incomprehensible though:
Because Americans move so much during their lifetime, and do not
have the same sort of place-roots as Europeans do, they see no point in
erecting buildings that will endure for a hundred, 500 or 1000 years.
Well, as an Irishman dragged up in England, who lives in Scotland,
married to a Russian who wants to move to a hotter climate ... I guess I
don't exactly have terribly deep place-roots either. And having
participated in the joys of re-wiring a house that was last wied about
1900, for DC, I can appreciate some of the difficulties of living in old
build. But I don't see that as any reason for living in shoddy clap-trap
accommodation.
I didn't say it made sense, Aidan. Put enough shiny wrapping on it, tell
them it is new, exclusive,in the so-called right neighborhood, will
impress the neighbors and Americans will pay twice what it is worth, buy
something twice as big as they really need as shelter, tear up good
farmland to get this, and they will never knock on the paperthin walls,
or notice it is built with one corner in a sinkhole until it blows down
into a heap of kindling wood.
I don't get it, either, so we share the incomprehensibility. People will
live in a new mobile trailer, which is essentially a tin can, before
they will consider a good solidly built 'older' home at the same price.
best,
Jo
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
03 Sep 2005 03:32:44 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:31:48 -0500, Jo Schaper
<joschapern4ospam@2socketdot.no5net> wrote:
I don't get it, either, so we share the incomprehensibility. People will
live in a new mobile trailer, which is essentially a tin can, before
they will consider a good solidly built 'older' home at the same price.
best,
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
I find it hard to beleive they might be the same price.
I do hope we are distinguishing between trailers and so called
'manufadtured homes".
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "Johan Wevers" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
04 Sep 2005 05:01:26 AM |
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Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
Well, for example, it will not collapse after the first storm it has
to face.
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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04 Sep 2005 06:33:58 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:26 GMT, (Johan
Wevers) wrote:
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
Well, for example, it will not collapse after the first storm it has
to face.
That's silly. Few houses will collapse after the first storm it
faces.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
05 Sep 2005 06:05:15 AM |
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In article <m11nh19cq9t94381536i7l9sgrbsf7qo9q@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:26 GMT, (Johan
Wevers) wrote:
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
Well, for example, it will not collapse after the first storm it has
to face.
That's silly. Few houses will collapse after the first storm it
faces.
Then you haven't been noticing home construction. In my area,
I've watched million dollar homes getting built. They are
crap. My Dad's chicken houses are built better and will last
decades longer. A newly built school here had to be fixed
a year after it opened.
/BAH
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
05 Sep 2005 12:12:54 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Sep 05 11:05:15 GMT, wrote:
In article <m11nh19cq9t94381536i7l9sgrbsf7qo9q@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:26 GMT, (Johan
Wevers) wrote:
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
Well, for example, it will not collapse after the first storm it has
to face.
That's silly. Few houses will collapse after the first storm it
faces.
Then you haven't been noticing home construction. In my area,
I've watched million dollar homes getting built. They are
crap.
So? if someone wants to get more living space by using cheaper
construction that won't outlive him, who are you and I to gainsay
them?
Have those homes faced a storm yet?
My Dad's chicken houses are built better and will last
decades longer. And I've seen chicken houses a fewe decades old; I wouldn't want to live in one.
That's a business investment.
A newly built school here had to be fixed a year after it opened.
I have no doubt, but I thought we were talking about homes.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
06 Sep 2005 05:23:11 AM |
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In article <lvuoh1d29gfo349ullaj7ms1qvehqjtbf2@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 05 11:05:15 GMT, wrote:
In article <m11nh19cq9t94381536i7l9sgrbsf7qo9q@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:26 GMT, (Johan
Wevers) wrote:
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
What , exctly, are the practical reasons they should want to live
in a "good solidly built 'older' home"
Well, for example, it will not collapse after the first storm it has
to face.
That's silly. Few houses will collapse after the first storm it
faces.
Then you haven't been noticing home construction. In my area,
I've watched million dollar homes getting built. They are
crap.
So? if someone wants to get more living space by using cheaper
construction that won't outlive him, who are you and I to gainsay
them?
If I put down a million bucks for a house, I expect it to last
for more than a couple of years. If I'm paying double property
taxes for any town building, I expect it to last for my lifetime.
Especially when the building replaced a perfectly solid one.
Have those homes faced a storm yet?
Nope.
My Dad's chicken houses are built better and will last
decades longer. And I've seen chicken houses a fewe decades old; I wouldn't
want to live in one.
That's a business investment.
It makes no difference what the purpose of the building is.
The point is that, if you're going to expend any money or
time building something, you should make something that
won't need more of your money and time for major repairs
or replacements in the near (or far) future. One should
be able to write off the capital expenditures before
you have to replace it.
A newly built school here had to be fixed a year after it opened.
I have no doubt, but I thought we were talking about homes.
No, we're talking about building construction that should
have a lifetime of more than a year. In case you haven't
noticed, those public buildings are housing in emergencies.
/BAH
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
07 Sep 2005 12:35:12 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 05 10:23:11 GMT, wrote:
In article <lvuoh1d29gfo349ullaj7ms1qvehqjtbf2@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 05 11:05:15 GMT, wrote:
My Dad's chicken houses are built better and will last
decades longer. And I've seen chicken houses a fewe decades old; I wouldn't
want to live in one.
That's a business investment.
It makes no difference what the purpose of the building is.
It makes a big difference. For one thing the cost of the chicken
coop is a tax write-off.
The point is that, if you're going to expend any money or
time building something, you should make something that
won't need more of your money and time for major repairs
or replacements in the near (or far) future.
That depends. As an old engineering saying goes, a job worth
doing is worth doing well .... enough for the job at hand; to do
it any better is wasteful of money and other rescources.
Is it better for you, personally, to build a house that will last
200 years for $300,000 when you won't be around more than twenty
years or so, and when you can build a house for $40,000 that will
last you the rest of your life and which you can replace for
$40,000 if it doesn't?
One should
be able to write off the capital expenditures before
you have to replace it.
That's the key to the chicken house, but not teh main house.
A newly built school here had to be fixed a year after it opened.
I have no doubt, but I thought we were talking about homes.
No, we're talking about building construction that should
have a lifetime of more than a year. In case you haven't
noticed, those public buildings are housing in emergencies.
Come, come. Just how many schools are around that wil only last a
year, and why do you thing this one makes a good example?
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: HURRICANES CAN & SHOULD BE STOPPED |
08 Sep 2005 06:04:38 AM |
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In article <pq8uh1dujvjipr32o7te0fbt4lsb2vfj6d@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 05 10:23:11 GMT, wrote:
In article <lvuoh1d29gfo349ullaj7ms1qvehqjtbf2@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 05 11:05:15 GMT, wrote:
My Dad's chicken houses are built better and will last
decades longer. And I've seen chicken houses a fewe decades old; I
wouldn't
want to live in one.
That's a business investment.
It makes no difference what the purpose of the building is.
It makes a big difference. For one thing the cost of the chicken
coop is a tax write-off.
My folks were returning to their farming days. Dad got chickens
and my mother threatened to kill me if I mentioned a milking
cow. She didn't mind doing chicken chores but refused to
milk.
The point is that, if you're going to expend any money or
time building something, you should make something that
won't need more of your money and time for major repairs
or replacements in the near (or far) future.
That depends. As an old engineering saying goes, a job worth
doing is worth doing well .... enough for the job at hand; to do
it any better is wasteful of money and other rescources.
Is it better for you, personally, to build a house that will last
200 years for $300,000 when you won't be around more than twenty
years or so, and when you can build a house for $40,000 that will
last you the rest of your life and which you can replace for
$40,000 if it doesn't?
But that $40K house will cost a lot more in repairs over that
20 years. I'd estimate at least $5-$10K expenditure each
year. This does not include the cost of your time trying
to get somebody to fix it nor your time if you did your own
fixing. That $300K is a lot cheaper over the 20 years.
Come, come. Just how many schools are around that wil only last a
year, and why do you thing this one makes a good example?
All of the newly constructed schools. Construction standards
suck big time w.r.t. longevity. All you have to do is
look at a house getting built or a school getting built.
/BAH
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