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24 Aug 2005 11:04:17 PM |
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Induction cookers |
An enormous amount of energy could be saved
simply by using induction cookers.
Millions of Chinese use induction cookers for their "hot pots",
and beautiful, compact, microprocessor-controlled cookers with timers,
ceramic tops and adjustable wattage ranges between 500 and 2000 watts
sell for about $30.00. ( Note that the cookers on Froggle sell for
hundreds of dollars, and don't have the advanced features of the common
Chinese cookers.
It takes about 10 seconds to fry an egg with an induction cooker.
The pan heats up in three seconds, and it takes a few seconds to flip
the egg around. As induction cookers heat the pan evenly,
less oil is needed, so they are more healthful to use. As can be seen,
induction cookers heat pots and pans, rather than the room, as gas and
electric stoves do.
Recently I had the inopportunity to fry an egg on an electric range,
and I had to wait minutes for the pan to heat up, had to
use lots of oil, and had to be careful to avoid the hot burner
after the pan was removed.
Hopefully this post will encourage folks to investigate this healthful
way of saving energy and time.
If anyone wants to import these devices to America and Europe,
I suggest that they browse alibaba.com for manufacturers,
and ship the cookers using one of TJ frazir's ships.
If they make a billion, they can send me a few bucks
for cluing them in.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
25 Aug 2005 10:11:08 AM |
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wrote:
An enormous amount of energy could be saved
simply by using induction cookers.
[snip]
If "saved" means "lost," sure. First, they aren't efficient in
coupling source to sink. Second, they expose the user to lots of EMF.
Tom Potter
Poor excuse for a meat puppet.
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
25 Aug 2005 08:28:11 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
tdp1001@gmail.com wrote:
An enormous amount of energy could be saved
simply by using induction cookers.
[snip]
If "saved" means "lost," sure. First, they aren't efficient in
coupling source to sink. Second, they expose the user to lots of EMF.
I think what Uncle Al is saying
is that the world should eliminate electrical power,
as all these power lines are
"expos<ing> user<s> to lots of EMF."
Regarding the efficiency of induction cookers,
it seems to me that cooking an egg in ten seconds
with 500 watts is a lot more efficient
than using a 1500 watt hotplate or a gas burner
for several minutes to do the same.
The Chinese induction cookers couple almost all of
the energy into the ferrous pot or pan
placed on the ceramic top. If you move the pan away,
the cooker senses this, and turns off the power.
If the pan gets too hot, the cooker sense this,
and turns the power down or off.
I dare say that folks get more EMF
from the power lines, their refrigerators
and their washing manchines and other motors,
than they ever would from an induction cooker.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
25 Aug 2005 11:58:41 PM |
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They are nice cookers.
I ask the cook and we do have a 1300 watt .
Green beans cook quick ,,faster than microwave for green beans .
cooks more even then a microwave and thaws a ham without making the
edges hard.
But dont try outselling wallyworld.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
25 Aug 2005 11:44:30 PM |
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When was you in Shanghia ? : )
I was there a month ago.
I had a chineese girlfreind ,,she walked all over me. or was the the
jap girl ?
I was going to go to nam but just couldnt face it. Some one will
remeber me there and put a round in my head ! Or Id see a gard and rip
his head off.
Once in awaile I still dream about nam.
Some kid in my dream rode up and shot me 5 times wile I was getting in a
car..( dreams ).
I dont think Id stay together in sigon today .
But its still the beutifull place ..
Id ride a scooter evrywhere if I could but dont think I could handle nam
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The bay pic looks like Cam lam bay dont it !
or is it ?? when sigon went down ....
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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26 Aug 2005 02:46:25 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
tdp1001@gmail.com wrote:
An enormous amount of energy could be saved
simply by using induction cookers.
[snip]
If "saved" means "lost," sure. First, they aren't efficient in
coupling source to sink. Second, they expose the user to lots of EMF.
Prove it. Maybe your pans just suck, and that has nothing to do with
the cooker's better performance.
http://theinductionsite.com/
-Aut
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| User: "" |
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29 Aug 2005 12:16:16 AM |
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wrote:
An enormous amount of energy could be saved
simply by using induction cookers.
Millions of Chinese use induction cookers for their "hot pots",
and beautiful, compact, microprocessor-controlled cookers with timers,
ceramic tops and adjustable wattage ranges between 500 and 2000 watts
sell for about $30.00. ( Note that the cookers on Froggle sell for
hundreds of dollars, and don't have the advanced features of the common
Chinese cookers.
It takes about 10 seconds to fry an egg with an induction cooker.
The pan heats up in three seconds, and it takes a few seconds to flip
the egg around. As induction cookers heat the pan evenly,
less oil is needed, so they are more healthful to use. As can be seen,
induction cookers heat pots and pans, rather than the room, as gas and
electric stoves do.
Recently I had the inopportunity to fry an egg on an electric range,
and I had to wait minutes for the pan to heat up, had to
use lots of oil, and had to be careful to avoid the hot burner
after the pan was removed.
Hopefully this post will encourage folks to investigate this healthful
way of saving energy and time.
If anyone wants to import these devices to America and Europe,
I suggest that they browse alibaba.com for manufacturers,
and ship the cookers using one of TJ frazir's ships.
If they make a billion, they can send me a few bucks
for cluing them in.
I must mentions that I was browsing though
the Beijing Carrefour store yesterday
and they had about 20 different induction cookers,
and most cost less that $25.00.
All were attractive, well designed,
and had the basic features I mentioned above.
China is far ahead of America in many areas.
Automation, low energy lighting, induction cookers,
aquaculture, cell phone features
( You can use your cell phone to find your location, hotels,
restaurants, etc., and even the location of the person you are
talking to.).
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
29 Aug 2005 10:14:30 PM |
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Tom, include numbers to support your comparison.
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:54:53 PM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
Tom, include numbers to support your comparison.
Do a Google search on "China America aquaculture"
and you'll get thousands of hits to choose from.
Here is an excerpt from one of them.
http://www.oceansatlas.org/servlet/CDSServlet?status=ND0xMzU0MCZjdG5faW5mb192aWV3X3NpemU9Y3RuX2luZm9fdmlld19mdWxsJjY9ZW4mMzM9KiYzNz1rb3M~
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Aquaculture by 1998 was providing 31% of total fisheries supply,
compared to only 15% in 1989. The total value of aquaculture production
reached US$ 52.5 billion in 1998 - double the figure of a decade
earlier - and much of this increase originated from the Low Income Food
Deficit Countries (LIFDCs), in particular China. This reflects the
continuing trend in LIFDC countries of increased use of aquatic
resources to further diversify food production.
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Fishing is the last stage of hunting and gathering.
Aquaculture is at the same stage as when
agriculture was beginning to replace
hunting and gathering.
When you travel about China,
or zoom on the coasts of China using Google Earth,
you see numerous examples of aquaculture,
and when you go to Chinese restaurants,
you find that most Chinese restaurants,
have large stocks of live fish, crab, lobsters, prawn,
fish of all kinds, sea weed, and other aquaproducts,
and you find inexpensive pearls and shell products
in many stores.
In fact, China exports so much sea food to America,
that American fishermen and companies are trying
to get the government to restrict this.
As I mentioned, the Mississippi Delta
and the Mississippi Sound could be farmed
to provide most of the world's food,
( And may a lot of its' energy. )
and the aqua products would certainly be
much more healthful than beef and pork,
and the land and sea environments would be better off for it.
and good structuring and zoning of the Delta and Sound,
would prevent disasters such as the current one.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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02 Sep 2005 10:03:35 PM |
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its' -> its
You said far ahead of America in many areas.
Anyway, if the seastuffs aren't polluted, then they might be more
healthful.
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2005 09:34:41 PM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
Tom, include numbers to support your comparison.
There are some interesting numbers
about the aquaculture products China exports
in a graphic form at:
http://www.globefish.org/index.php?id=2085&easysitestatid=176126883
An interesting excerpt from this site:
"In contrast to the sluggish market in China, shrimp exports from China
in 2003 witnessed a big increase in term of both volume and value.
Attractive shrimp prices plus good harvest in 2003 were the major
reasons behind this increase. Exports by volume increased by 42%
reaching 188 399 MT and exports by value were up by 44% reaching US$880
million. Among the shrimp products exported, further processed value
added shrimp products showed big increases. For example, exports of
prepared or preserved products increased from 46 640 MT in 2002 up to
69 619 MT in 2003. USA, Japan, Hong Kong China and Republic of Korea
are the major four targeted markets for the Chinese shrimp exporters.
EU still has not yet opened its market again for Chinese aquaculture
products.
The most serious problem however is that as the biggest exporting
market, USA filed an anti-dumping case early this year on the Chinese
shrimp industry. If the case will be won by the US shrimp industry,
then the Chinese shrimp farming industry will face a heavy blow. The
only hope would be that the EU market will be reopened for China this
year."
As can be seen, China produces more aquaproducts
than it can sell in China, and America and the EU
try to keep China from exporting food to them.
As I mentioned,
fishing is the last stage of hunting and gathering,
and will be replaced by aquaculture, which will
save energy,
provide the world with enormous stocks of healthful food,
improve the sea and land environments, etc.
The Mississippi Delta and Sound,
are an enormous, unused, aquaculture resource.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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02 Sep 2005 10:04:13 PM |
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its' -> its
You said far ahead of America in many areas.
Anyway, if the seastuffs aren't polluted, then maybe they're more
healthful.
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| User: "" |
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04 Sep 2005 12:20:38 AM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
its' -> its
You said far ahead of America in many areas.
Anyway, if the seastuffs aren't polluted, then maybe they're more
healthful.
How about the use of INDUCTION COOKERS,
that this thread was about?
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "" |
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06 Sep 2005 07:34:41 PM |
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I neglected to mention the most important area
where China is far ahead of America,
and that is health care.
In China,
you don't have to worry about doctor offices, doctor appointments
and being shuffled between medical labs owned
by the doctor who is treating you.
If you are sick, or think you are,
you simply go to the nearest hospital.
There you pay about $1.00 to see a doctor.
He gives you a quick examination,
and discusses your symptoms with you.
After the examination,
he schedules for the specific tests indicated,
blood, urine, stool, x-ray, eeg, ekg, etc.
You pay a couple of bucks each for the tests,
and this are done immediately.
No waiting, no traveling about town, etc.
In a few minutes, you pick up the test results,
and go back to the doctor.
He/she reviews the tests and gives you prescriptions,
admits you to the hospital, schedules other tests,
or whatever is indicated.
I go in every year for a complete physical,
and it costs about $100.00 for several x-rays,
blood tests for scores of things, EKG,
sonar test of liver, heart, blood flow to the brain, etc.,
teeth, eyes, ears, nose and throat tests, bone test, etc.
I then get a compete debriefing by a couple of doctors,
and they give me all of the test results, including x-rays,
EKG recordings, etc.
China's health care system is very effective, efficient,
and low cost.
I might point out that during the SARS scare,
that in 90 days, Beijing built a thousand bed hospital,
that isolated all the patients from the health care providers,
and from each other, and they moved ALL patients
who seemed to have SARS symptoms to that hospital.
Although some Chinese medicine such as acupuncture
might be suspect, there are many medicines that would
be consider wonder drugs in the Western world.
For example, their cold, allergy and asthma medicines
work much better than Western Medicines.
I used to use all kinds of things to treat colds,
such as antihistamines, decongestants, anti-jussives, etc.
and they all made me feel bad and they prolonged the situation.
I never knew if I was feeling the effects of the cold of the treatment.
I now take Chinese medicine for colds,
and there are no side affects like being dried up from an
antihistamine,
being hyper from a decongestant, etc.
As I mentioned in a previous post,
I have found that using a sweetened form of dried ginger
is perfect for soothing the throat, and treating a cough.
The American health care system is a gigantic ripoff
by the drug industries (Prescription and patent),
and the doctors and dentists.
Not to mention a con job by the federal government.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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07 Sep 2005 06:27:13 AM |
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So what makes it different there, less profit?
affects -> effects
You should instead try immunising yourself by deliberately hanging
around sick people, getting sick, taking nothing, and using willpower
to heal and seal yourself. It's free! When I'd felt invulnerable, I
loved walking through the cold rain, behaving as if the bleak weather
made me stronger. I never got sick. I love overcast skies, and stormy
windy cold weather. I despise ginger, and Asian remedies and medicine.
I heal rashes that clear up in minutes with spit. (Spit has many
antimicrobial enzumes, including one, interferase?, that kills HIV. I
wonder if that's where the NT authors got that fraudulent Jesus-spit
blind man healing story.) I don't know what ice cream headaches are
about as I don't get them. I drank coffee young, and the caffeine
hardly did anything for me. I despise Red Bull and notices it does
nothing. I love sugary drinks, and know that germs can't live in a
high-sugar environment. When I haven't bathed in awhile, my arms smell
like dried pineapples. Okay... that's enough information.
-Aut
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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08 Sep 2005 12:37:15 AM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
When I'd felt invulnerable, I
loved walking through the cold rain, behaving as if the bleak weather
made me stronger. I never got sick.
Why would you think you would? Pathogens in the rain?
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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08 Sep 2005 04:06:41 AM |
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Bob Cain wrote:
Why would you think you would? Pathogens in the rain?
Poor weather weakening my immunity to insidious pathogens
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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09 Sep 2005 12:43:05 AM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
Bob Cain wrote:
Why would you think you would? Pathogens in the rain?
Poor weather weakening my immunity to insidious pathogens
What effect does weather have on immunity?
The discomfort you experience is just a surface effect.
Only in pretty extreme conditions of exposure does internal
temperature drop.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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11 Sep 2005 01:35:57 AM |
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Bob Cain wrote:
What effect does weather have on immunity?
The discomfort you experience is just a surface effect.
Only in pretty extreme conditions of exposure does internal
temperature drop.
There's pressure and sunlight too. Try SAD, vitamin D, sweating and
breathing, stirred pollution, allergies, psychoneuroimmunity...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
07 Sep 2005 06:34:49 AM |
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I like short shorts.
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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07 Sep 2005 06:41:07 AM |
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jussives -> tussives
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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25 Aug 2005 11:18:51 PM |
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The hot sheet calls for tractors to brazil.
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| User: "" |
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26 Aug 2005 02:53:08 PM |
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I prefer deduction cookers. They're more logical.
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| User: "" |
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26 Aug 2005 08:43:54 PM |
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wrote:
I prefer deduction cookers. They're more logical.
As can be seen from the newsgroups,
deduction and logic does not generate heat.
I suspect that a "deduction" device
would be a better cooler than a heater.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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25 Aug 2005 11:17:13 PM |
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alibaba B2B india trade : ))
wallyworld ..allready socks them under 40.
Go for the brazil chicken at 18 cents pound and sell in florida or
saudi arabia at 109 cents leg quarters .
Got room on the brazil and caribean NYNY line but the china line is
over full and under contract for the next 10 years.
BLUE was just biult in Tywan , its the worlds biggest bulker.
500,000 tons.
it has a 150,000 hp 2 cycle diesel.
I dont cook ,, our cooks this 1/2 year are from NYNY . first american
cooks in years.
country fryed steaks ,,,chicogo hot dogs ..
first hamburger I had in years .
they just got on the world last month .
sweden is in nead of fuel chips woodchips are up 140 ton in competion
with oil .
Steel is the hottest thing going.
despite bush !!!
usa the 1/3 of the world steel would have a record year if traders
would pay mind to the buy leads . mark up 70 to 80 bucks a ton .
india is hunting hard logs in any condition.
japan tuna is $ 4 a can again and 25 cents for the same can in usa .
japan has no terriff on tuna imports.
NICKLE is 10 bucks a pound now.
I migght have to go clean out another ship wreck hold .
people look for gold treasure shipwrecks but in the last 20 years so
many ship loads of steel and nickle and copper nd aluninum have gone to
the bottom ( 55 million per load avr )
100 loads sit in the grand banks.
5 billion in 60 years !!!
epa wount ask ,,usa gov says go for it and canada says give em 20 %.
2000 Giant dropped a load back down for the kirsk , but it picks up a
5000 ton ship loaded real easy.
LOOKING for money ..cross alibaba with ec21
grains feeds corn wheet soy .
I have boats 30,000 to 50,000 ton and no one esle does ,,its hard to
say no if the only tramps for charter big enouph sit in a row in cape
canaverl florida .
the planet has a ship tonnage shortage .
trandatalntic is up 20 %
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Induction cookers |
26 Aug 2005 10:19:26 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29143-430E97C9-86@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net...
crap
You are a boring idiot.
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