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Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
performed flawlessly in Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab at MIT during ICCF10.
Its excess power ranged from 167% to 267% as Dr. Swartz altered the
experimental conditions. This excess heat, as measured by his
precision calorimeter, persisted from Sunday August 24 to August 30,
longer than ICCF10 itself. The excess heat was interrupted on the
last day only to bring the equipment back to Wellesley, MA otherwise
it would have continued much longer.
Prof. John Dash of the physics department at Portland State University
in
Oregon and his summer high school student interns also put on historic
demonstrations of excess heat at Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab. They used
simple
but effective calorimetric apparatus, which allowed observers to check
the
level of excess heat for themselves.
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
been independently observed by three outside groups: Dr. Michael
McKubre of
SRI International, Dr. Edmund Storms in New Mexico, and Dr. Mitchell
Swartz
in Wellesley, Massachusetts. This phenomenon, you may recall, was the
subject of the "Fire from Water" cover story in the last issue of
Infinite Energy.
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output (a 30-fold
multiplication of
input power). This is evidently a highly repeatable effect, one that
has the
potential of breaking though into numerous other labs around the
world.
Dr. James Patterson and his colleagues from Sarasota, Florida revealed
a
stunningly simple, robust and ingenious gas-phase cold fusion reactor
that
has produced excess heat for months on end. Full details will be
provided
to the public in the near term; he is not seeking patent protection at
this
point.
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
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"JohnnyCJohnny" <johnwc@patmedia.net> wrote in message
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Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Here is a corrected version...read it all straight through
as one article.
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic
palladium Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/
platinum cell performed flawlessly {snip}
demonstrating that there is actually a real Fleischmann-Pons-
Hawkins Effect (FPHE), as postulated by Shanahan.
Unfortunately Dr. Swartz refuses to acknowledge or comment on
Dr. Shanahan's explanation.
Prof. John Dash of the physics department at Portland State
University in Oregon and his summer high school student interns
also put on historic demonstrations of
apparent
excess heat at Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab {snip}
again demonstrating the reality of the FPHE, which is a non-
nuclear explanation of what is commonly called "cold fusion".
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called ,
is apparent
excess heat
stimulated by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic
cell cathodes, {snip}
where
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge
apparent
excess power excess emerges, for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1
watt output (a 30-fold multiplication of input power). This is
evidently a highly repeatable effect, one that has the potential
of {snip}
directly proving the non-nuclear basis of the FPHE (see comments
on sci.physics.fusion by Shanahan, message id =
<806722ae1fe352f3c103c2ba78a0dbbc.38703@mygate.mailgate.org> ).
Dr. James Patterson and his colleagues from Sarasota, Florida
revealed a stunningly simple, robust and ingenious gas-phase
cold fusion reactor that has produced
apparent
excess heat for months
on end. Full details will be provided to the public in the
near term; he is not seeking patent protection at this point.
Hopefully, the data-to-come will be more conclusive than that
formerly supplied by Patterson et al on the Patterson Power
Cell, a channeling bubble trap that produced erroneous excess
power readings, as shown by separate replication attempts of
Little and Merriman.
Helium-4 correlated with
apparent
excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the
Italian government. Energetics Technologies Limited, a company
from Israel, which began its multi-million dollar cold fusion
effort only two years ago, has already achieved
apparent
excess heat in a
variety of processes. Funded by investors in the United States,
the fifteen-member staff of Energetics Limited is aiming
directly at the commercialization of the technology. The leader
of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning presentation at
ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
Hopefully, the good doctor has read the recent literature by W. B.
Clarke, et al, and has considered how to avoid getting the same
erroneous results that have plagued the field so far. If not,
consultation with world experts on trace level He detection and
typical "CF" calorimetry errors should be undertaken.
(Shanahan, Thermo. Acta 387 (2002) 95;
Clark, et al, Fusion Science and Technology 43(2) (2003) 250-255,
43(1) (2003) 122-127, 40(2) (2001) 147-151, 40(2) (2001) 152-167)
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Kirk Shanahan {My opinions...noone else's}
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Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Here is a corrected version...read it all straight through
as one article.
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic
palladium Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/
platinum cell performed flawlessly {snip}
demonstrating that there is actually a real Fleischmann-Pons-
Hawkins Effect (FPHE), as postulated by Shanahan.
Unfortunately Dr. Swartz refuses to acknowledge or comment on
Dr. Shanahan's explanation.
Prof. John Dash of the physics department at Portland State
University in Oregon and his summer high school student interns
also put on historic demonstrations of
apparent
excess heat at Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab {snip}
again demonstrating the reality of the FPHE, which is a non-
nuclear explanation of what is commonly called "cold fusion".
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called ,
is apparent
excess heat
stimulated by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic
cell cathodes, {snip}
where
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge
apparent
excess power excess emerges, for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1
watt output (a 30-fold multiplication of input power). This is
evidently a highly repeatable effect, one that has the potential
of {snip}
directly proving the non-nuclear basis of the FPHE (see comments
on sci.physics.fusion by Shanahan, message id =
<806722ae1fe352f3c103c2ba78a0dbbc.38703@mygate.mailgate.org> ).
Dr. James Patterson and his colleagues from Sarasota, Florida
revealed a stunningly simple, robust and ingenious gas-phase
cold fusion reactor that has produced
apparent
excess heat for months
on end. Full details will be provided to the public in the
near term; he is not seeking patent protection at this point.
Hopefully, the data-to-come will be more conclusive than that
formerly supplied by Patterson et al on the Patterson Power
Cell, a channeling bubble trap that produced erroneous excess
power readings, as shown by separate replication attempts of
Little and Merriman.
Helium-4 correlated with
apparent
excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the
Italian government. Energetics Technologies Limited, a company
from Israel, which began its multi-million dollar cold fusion
effort only two years ago, has already achieved
apparent
excess heat in a
variety of processes. Funded by investors in the United States,
the fifteen-member staff of Energetics Limited is aiming
directly at the commercialization of the technology. The leader
of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning presentation at
ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
Hopefully, the good doctor has read the recent literature by W. B.
Clarke, et al, and has considered how to avoid getting the same
erroneous results that have plagued the field so far. If not,
consultation with world experts on trace level He detection and
typical "CF" calorimetry errors should be undertaken.
(Shanahan, Thermo. Acta 387 (2002) 95;
Clark, et al, Fusion Science and Technology 43(2) (2003) 250-255,
43(1) (2003) 122-127, 40(2) (2001) 147-151, 40(2) (2001) 152-167)
---
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(JohnnyCJohnny) wrote:
Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Typical flying saucer / alien abductions cultic rhetoric. Nothing new
here.
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24 Sep 2003 12:19:40 PM |
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JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
performed flawlessly in Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab at MIT during ICCF10.
Its excess power ranged from 167% to 267% as Dr. Swartz altered the
experimental conditions. This excess heat, as measured by his
precision calorimeter, persisted from Sunday August 24 to August 30,
longer than ICCF10 itself. The excess heat was interrupted on the
last day only to bring the equipment back to Wellesley, MA otherwise
it would have continued much longer.
Prof. John Dash of the physics department at Portland State University
in
Oregon and his summer high school student interns also put on historic
demonstrations of excess heat at Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab. They used
simple
but effective calorimetric apparatus, which allowed observers to check
the
level of excess heat for themselves.
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
been independently observed by three outside groups: Dr. Michael
McKubre of
SRI International, Dr. Edmund Storms in New Mexico, and Dr. Mitchell
Swartz
in Wellesley, Massachusetts. This phenomenon, you may recall, was the
subject of the "Fire from Water" cover story in the last issue of
Infinite Energy.
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output (a 30-fold
multiplication of
input power). This is evidently a highly repeatable effect, one that
has the
potential of breaking though into numerous other labs around the
world.
Dr. James Patterson and his colleagues from Sarasota, Florida revealed
a
stunningly simple, robust and ingenious gas-phase cold fusion reactor
that
has produced excess heat for months on end. Full details will be
provided
to the public in the near term; he is not seeking patent protection at
this
point.
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
Perfect.
Jupiter also gives off more heat than it can get
from the Sun.
Where from? The huge amount of gravitational energy
that it blocks.
John
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JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
performed flawlessly in Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab at MIT during ICCF10.
Its excess power ranged from 167% to 267% as Dr. Swartz altered the
experimental conditions. This excess heat, as measured by his
precision calorimeter, persisted from Sunday August 24 to August 30,
longer than ICCF10 itself. The excess heat was interrupted on the
last day only to bring the equipment back to Wellesley, MA otherwise
it would have continued much longer.
Prof. John Dash of the physics department at Portland State University
in
Oregon and his summer high school student interns also put on historic
demonstrations of excess heat at Prof. Hagelstein¹s lab. They used
simple
but effective calorimetric apparatus, which allowed observers to check
the
level of excess heat for themselves.
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
been independently observed by three outside groups: Dr. Michael
McKubre of
SRI International, Dr. Edmund Storms in New Mexico, and Dr. Mitchell
Swartz
in Wellesley, Massachusetts. This phenomenon, you may recall, was the
subject of the "Fire from Water" cover story in the last issue of
Infinite Energy.
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output (a 30-fold
multiplication of
input power). This is evidently a highly repeatable effect, one that
has the
potential of breaking though into numerous other labs around the
world.
Dr. James Patterson and his colleagues from Sarasota, Florida revealed
a
stunningly simple, robust and ingenious gas-phase cold fusion reactor
that
has produced excess heat for months on end. Full details will be
provided
to the public in the near term; he is not seeking patent protection at
this
point.
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
The concentration of buzzwords is too high, indicating to
be a clever setup to empty investors pockets on a big scale.
Rene
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Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
[snip]
... .. .
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
[snip]
... .. .
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output
[snip]
... .. .
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
The concentration of buzzwords is too high, indicating to
be a clever setup to empty investors pockets on a big scale.
Rene
By comparison to tokamak fusion, the buzzwards are quite modest. See
"Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights" under sci.physics.plasma. Note that
you are an investor in tokamaks, like it or not.
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3F733951.9070801@know.me">JohnnyCJohnny
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<blockquote type="cite">Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
<br>
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.infinite-energy.com">www.infinite-energy.com</a>
<br>
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Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
<br>
<br>
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
<br>
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
[snip]<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3F733951.9070801@know.me">
<blockquote type="cite">... .. .<br>
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
<br>
stimulated
<br>
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
<br>
has now
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
[snip]<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3F733951.9070801@know.me">
<blockquote type="cite">... .. .<br>
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
<br>
emerges,
<br>
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output </blockquote>
</blockquote>
[snip]<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3F733951.9070801@know.me">
<blockquote type="cite">... .. .<br>
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
<br>
solid-state
<br>
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
<br>
government.
<br>
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
<br>
its
<br>
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
<br>
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
<br>
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
<br>
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
<br>
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
<br>
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
The concentration of buzzwords is too high, indicating to
<br>
be a clever setup to empty investors pockets on a big scale.
<br>
<br>
Rene<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
By comparison to tokamak fusion, the buzzwards are quite modest. See
"Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights" under sci.physics.plasma. Note that
you are an investor in tokamaks, like it or not.<br>
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Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Breaking Through By Dr. Eugene Mallove
an editorial for Infinite Energy Magazine No.51, September 2003
www.infinite-energy.com
Here are some of the high points to be taken from ICCF10:
Dr. Mitchell Swartz¹s Fleischmann/Pons-type electrolytic palladium
Phusor/low electrolyte conductance heavy water/platinum cell
[snip]
... .. .
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
[snip]
... .. .
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output
[snip]
... .. .
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
The concentration of buzzwords is too high, indicating to
be a clever setup to empty investors pockets on a big scale.
Rene
By comparison to tokamak fusion, the buzzwards are quite modest. See
"Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights" under sci.physics.plasma. Note that
you are an investor in tokamaks, like it or not.
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Yeah! We've literally thrown away tens of Billions on hot fusion for
decades and what do we have to show for it? And the skeptics complain
about throwing a few crumbs at Cold Fusion? Pathetic!
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Paul M. Koloc wrote:
Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Infinite Energy Magazine No.51
... .. .
The Letts-Cravens Effect, as it is now being called , excess heat
stimulated
by laser light irradiation of cold fusion electrolytic cell cathodes,
has now
[snip]
... .. .
Low-level laser light power is input and a huge excess power excess
emerges,
for example: 30 milliwatts input, 1 watt output
[snip]
... .. .
Helium-4 correlated with excess heat has been observed now in a
solid-state
LENR device by a laboratory effort sponsored by the Italian
government.
Energetics Technologies Limited, a company from Israel, which began
its
multi-million dollar cold fusion effort only two years ago, has
already achieved excess heat in a variety of processes. Funded by
investors in the United States, the fifteen-member staff of Energetics
Limited is aiming directly at the commercialization of the technology.
The leader of the effort Dr. Arik El-Boher made a stunning
presentation at ICCF10, which caused many jaws to drop.
The concentration of buzzwords is too high, indicating to
be a clever setup to empty investors pockets on a big scale.
By comparison to tokamak fusion, the buzzwards are quite modest. See
"Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights" under sci.physics.plasma. Note that
you are an investor in tokamaks, like it or not.
You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
rather high too.
Rene
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| User: "Bruce Scott TOK" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr. Eugene Mallove |
26 Sep 2003 12:49:28 PM |
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Rene wrote:
|> You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
|> After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
|> I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
|> rather high too.
This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
to say fusion will never work.
They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
respect to photons.
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cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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| User: "Rene Tschaggelar" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr.Eugene Mallove |
26 Sep 2003 02:23:54 PM |
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Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
Rene wrote:
|> You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
|> After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
|> I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
|> rather high too.
This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
to say fusion will never work.
They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
respect to photons.
That is a bit too fast.
You mean the Stefan-Boltzman does not apply to the 10 million kelvins ?
To the sun, made of plasma it appears to apply. Yes, the sun, due to
its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind a convection zone.
Too bad, a tokmak will never have a convection layer.
If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
Rene
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Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net
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| User: "Gordon D. Pusch" |
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26 Sep 2003 10:30:59 PM |
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Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
Rene wrote:
You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
rather high too.
This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
to say fusion will never work.
They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
respect to photons.
That is a bit too fast.
You mean the Stefan-Boltzman does not apply to the 10 million kelvins ?
Yes, because the tokamak plasma is "optically thin" to most of its own
radiation, and therefore its emitted photons do not have time to thermalize
before they escape the plasma. Hence, the emitted spectrum is not even
approximately like that of the "Black Body" spectrum, from which the
Stefan-Boltzmann "law" is derived. (Nor does the emitted spectrum
have a single, well-defined "temperature" either!)
To the sun, made of plasma it appears to apply.
Because the Sum is optically thick to its own radiation below the photosphere.
Most of the Sun's emitted photons have undergone a bazillion collisions
before they reached the photophere and managed to escape; hence, the Sun's
spectrum is _APPROXIMATELY_ thermal. (However, the Sun's spectrum stil
exhibits clearly measurable and significant deviations from a "black body"
spectrum, because its temperature changes significantly as one descends
through the photosphere, and the plasma goes from optically thin to
optically thick; hence, the solar spectrum is a _MIXTURE_ of black-body
spectra over a significant temperature range.
Yes, the sun, due to its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind
a convection zone.
The gravity has NOTHING to do with it, nor the existence of a "convective zone."
(The hottest stars are "radiative" throughout most of their volumes.)
What is important is that the Sun is very, VERY, =VERY= big, so that it is
_OPTICALLY THICK_ to its own radiation, and therefore most of its volume
may be approximated as being in "local thermal equilibrium." =NEITHER=
of the conditions "optically thick plasma" or "local thermal equilibrium "
are true of a tokamak.
Too bad, a tokmak will never have a convection layer.
Again, the existence or non-existence of a "convective layer" has nothing
to do with it.
If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
The problem is =NOT= that the "range" is too large, but rather that =NOTHING=
is a good reflector for soft X-rays...
-- Gordon D. Pusch
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| User: "Rene Tschaggelar" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr.Eugene Mallove |
27 Sep 2003 04:41:51 PM |
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Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
Rene wrote:
You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
rather high too.
This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
to say fusion will never work.
They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
respect to photons.
That is a bit too fast.
You mean the Stefan-Boltzman does not apply to the 10 million kelvins ?
Yes, because the tokamak plasma is "optically thin" to most of its own
radiation, and therefore its emitted photons do not have time to thermalize
before they escape the plasma. Hence, the emitted spectrum is not even
approximately like that of the "Black Body" spectrum, from which the
Stefan-Boltzmann "law" is derived. (Nor does the emitted spectrum
have a single, well-defined "temperature" either!)
Interesting. See below.
To the sun, made of plasma it appears to apply.
Because the Sum is optically thick to its own radiation below the photosphere.
Most of the Sun's emitted photons have undergone a bazillion collisions
before they reached the photophere and managed to escape; hence, the Sun's
spectrum is _APPROXIMATELY_ thermal. (However, the Sun's spectrum stil
exhibits clearly measurable and significant deviations from a "black body"
spectrum, because its temperature changes significantly as one descends
through the photosphere, and the plasma goes from optically thin to
optically thick; hence, the solar spectrum is a _MIXTURE_ of black-body
spectra over a significant temperature range.
I had one semester of fusion, but we never went that into the details.
I'd assume, if the plasma was not dense, fusion wouldn't work continously.
Meaning, if the contained particles do not 'see' the 10 million or so Kelvin,
the definition of temperature is meaningless.
Yes, the sun, due to its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind
a convection zone.
The gravity has NOTHING to do with it, nor the existence of a "convective zone."
(The hottest stars are "radiative" throughout most of their volumes.)
What is important is that the Sun is very, VERY, =VERY= big, so that it is
_OPTICALLY THICK_ to its own radiation, and therefore most of its volume
may be approximated as being in "local thermal equilibrium." =NEITHER=
of the conditions "optically thick plasma" or "local thermal equilibrium "
are true of a tokamak.
The sun with its layers is made such that the hard radiation
produced by the hot core is self absorbed is the colder outer layers,
such that the radiation thermalizes and 'softens'. If there wasn't gravity
to keep the sun together, it'd blow apart.
If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
The problem is =NOT= that the "range" is too large, but rather that =NOTHING=
is a good reflector for soft X-rays...
There are good reflectors for soft XRays, but only for grazing angles.
Rene
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| User: "Gordon D. Pusch" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr. Eugene Mallove |
27 Sep 2003 09:08:17 PM |
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Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
[...]
I had one semester of fusion, but we never went that into the details.
Then what else exactly _were_ they teaching you during that semester, if not
the "details" ??? A mere overview does not take more than one or two class
periods !!!
I'd assume, if the plasma was not dense, fusion wouldn't work continously.
What is important is not the density or temperature taken by themselves,
but the =PRODUCT= of density and the energy confinement time. Even though
the plasma in a tokamak is a pretty good vacuum by industrial standards,
let alone by comparison to the core of the Sun or the peak density in a
fusion bomb, the plasma particles (and more importantly, their kinetic energy)
are confined within the reactor long enough for there to still be a significant
probability for many of the particles to participate in a fusion reaction
before they escape. If the density- confinement time product is large enough,
the energy released by the fusion reactions will be larger than the energy
consumed in heating the plasma; this is known as the "Lawson Criterion for
[Scientific] Breakeven," <http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/phys/fusion-confine.html>.
Meaning, if the contained particles do not 'see' the 10 million or so
Kelvin, the definition of temperature is meaningless.
You are confusing the photons emitted by the plasma with the plasma particles.
The plasma _particles_ are confined within the tokamak, have a mean kinetic
energy equivalent to a temperature of over 100 million degrees, and collide
with each other many many times before they escape. Hence, the plasma _particles_
are more or less "thermalized."
By contrast, most of the photons emitted by the plasma escape before they've
had a chance to collide even _once_ --- which is one reason why they are
=NOT= in thermal equilibrium with the plasma, have a highly NON-thermal
spectrum, and therefore do not obey the Stefan-Boltzmann "law" for thermal
radiation.
Yes, the sun, due to its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind
a convection zone.
The gravity has NOTHING to do with it, nor the existence of a
"convective zone." (The hottest stars are "radiative" throughout most
of their volumes.) What is important is that the Sun is very, VERY,
=VERY= big, so that it is _OPTICALLY THICK_ to its own radiation, and
therefore most of its volume may be approximated as being in "local
thermal equilibrium." =NEITHER= of the conditions "optically thick
plasma" or "local thermal equilibrium " are true of a tokamak.
The sun with its layers is made such that the hard radiation produced by
the hot core is self absorbed is the colder outer layers, such that the
radiation thermalizes and 'softens'. If there wasn't gravity to keep the
sun together, it'd blow apart.
You confuse a CONTINGENT FACTOR with a "cause." It is not gravity, but the
OPACITY OF THE VERY THICK LAYER OF PLASMA that impedes the escape of radiation
and scatters the photons a sufficient number of times to "thermalize." The
plasma would be just as opaque no matter WHAT force was responsible for its
confinement --- be it gravity, electromagnetism, or whatever.
If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
The problem is =NOT= that the "range" is too large, but rather that
=NOTHING= is a good reflector for soft X-rays...
There are good reflectors for soft XRays, but only for grazing angles.
First of all, that depend on how generoos one is in using the word "good."
Even at "grazing incidence," the reflectivity of an X-ray mirror sucks.
Second, since the plasma radiates in all directions, whereas "grazing
incidence" only works if the spread of angles in the beam is quite narrow
(i.e., less than the "grazing incidence" angle), it is therefore impossible
to arrange a set of "grazing incidence" reflectors such that more than a
minute fraction of the plasma's radiation would be returned to the plasma.
-- Gordon D. Pusch
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| User: "Harry Conover" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr. Eugene Mallove |
28 Sep 2003 02:33:03 PM |
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(Gordon D. Pusch) wrote in message news:<gipthlr7fy.fsf@pusch.xnet.com>...
Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Rene Tschaggelar <some@know.me> writes:
[...]
I had one semester of fusion, but we never went that into the details.
Then what else exactly _were_ they teaching you during that semester, if not
the "details" ??? A mere overview does not take more than one or two class
periods !!!
Indeed!
This is sort of silly, because most physicists would be struggling to
just keep up with the details surfaced in a one semester course
focused on fusion. Hell, the subject is entirely details, since the
gross concepts are so trival as not to warrant a course in them.
Harry C.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: International tommatto fusion |
28 Sep 2003 05:59:36 PM |
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I have a ripe tommatto ,,,fuse it silly fuckers.
You think we will be using controle rods as fuel soon ???
dumbasses wount ever learn
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: International contole rods useless |
28 Sep 2003 06:04:57 PM |
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they absorb the nurtons energy ,,,so cold ffusion would be like using
controle rods for fuel SO fill it with tommattoes or pancakes will do HU
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The fusion pancake self cooks ???
Forget nuke fuel ,,,retards found a way to fision da fucking pancakes
!!!
It dont matter if the atoms are too far apart because some dumbfuck
dont know they are .
*****
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| User: "Bruce Scott TOK" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr. Eugene Mallove |
27 Sep 2003 10:51:56 AM |
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Rene wrote:
|> Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
|> > Rene wrote:
|> >
|> > |> You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
|> > |> After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
|> > |> I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
|> > |> rather high too.
|> >
|> > This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
|> > to say fusion will never work.
|> >
|> > They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
|> > respect to photons.
|> >
|> That is a bit too fast.
|> You mean the Stefan-Boltzman does not apply to the 10 million kelvins ?
|> To the sun, made of plasma it appears to apply. Yes, the sun, due to
|> its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind a convection zone.
|> Too bad, a tokmak will never have a convection layer.
|>
|> If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
|> could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
Gordon already answered this.
My point is just that criticism like this most often comes from people
who have no idea of the physics of the situation, but instead of taking
the trouble to learn they step in and make dismissive pronoucements
nonetheless.
You have to understand how people often don't have much patience for
that...
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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| User: "Rene Tschaggelar" |
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| Title: Re: International Conference on Cold Fusion - 10 Highlights by Dr.Eugene Mallove |
27 Sep 2003 04:51:32 PM |
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Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
Rene wrote:
|> Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
|> > Rene wrote:
|> >
|> > |> You're right, I tend to doubt the hot fusion too.
|> > |> After an hourly lesson about radiation losses of fusible plasma,
|> > |> I had a look at Stefan-Boltzman and found the visible radiation being
|> > |> rather high too.
|> >
|> > This is a common mistake, according to which lots of people have tried
|> > to say fusion will never work.
|> >
|> > They forget the plasma is not in local thermodynamic equilibrium with
|> > respect to photons.
|> >
|> That is a bit too fast.
|> You mean the Stefan-Boltzman does not apply to the 10 million kelvins ?
|> To the sun, made of plasma it appears to apply. Yes, the sun, due to
|> its size and gravity can conceal the hot part behind a convection zone.
|> Too bad, a tokmak will never have a convection layer.
|>
|> If the wavelengths of the thermal radiation was a bit more limited, one
|> could think of mirrors, but the range is just a bit big.
Gordon already answered this.
My point is just that criticism like this most often comes from people
who have no idea of the physics of the situation, but instead of taking
the trouble to learn they step in and make dismissive pronoucements
nonetheless.
You have to understand how people often don't have much patience for
that...
I had one semester of fusion, and we never went that into the details.
And now since it doesn't connect to my job, I don't have the time to
properly study it anymore.
My experience with software projects : We're almost there, give us another
year, give us another million, appears to apply here too.
Especially when this story came up year after year for a couple decades.
The tokamak is conceptually not feasible, otherwise it'd have worked.
Rene
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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26 Sep 2003 09:56:33 PM |
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Show the fucking atom your free nutron will hit or shut the ***** up.
Your too stupid to understand the next atom will just absorb the
energy.
A nutron wount just split any atom dumbfuck.
Thats what controle rods are for.
Your cold fusin trash has o atoms that will react and you best shut
the ***** up and read a book dumbass.
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