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Science > Physics |
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"Douglas Eagleson" |
| Date: |
18 Mar 2007 11:21:59 AM |
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Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form. A dog
independent of park appears. And the fallacy as form was to be used
to define.
A theorectical fallacy and not a form fallacy for only in physics may
the park not be existing by dog effect.
So the usage was to be the alternative applied thougth experimental
usage. A type of Gedanken. And to define type was the reason for the
inverted.
So these terms mean exact things in physics, type, set class,
existence, relation, function etc.
And the relation between all is a realm of the philosopher physicist.
A student to formal the form of the science in relation to the form of
statement. Here is a thing to consider.
Science as form uses a logical form different from common discourse.
A structure to science appears well founded, but common discourse
allows fallacy to be inferred unless equivalence is applied to test
theory. SO the equivalence principle causes well founded science in
the logic of common abstracted subject predicate.
Without the equivalence a form of validity would allow erratic
experimental design.
So to example again:
Here is the goal, use inverted Gedanken. And appear to cause
independence.
Pick an example any example, and I will use it in example.. This is a
study of mine and I do need a real example to demonstrate.. Try a
common theory.
If you do not like this kind of logical analysis you might want to
never try theoretical physics, btw.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
18 Mar 2007 04:13:30 PM |
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"Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondouglas@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174234919.702670.41000@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form.
I know that, sometimes, English grammar can appear confusing but it really
is easy once you get to grips with it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
18 Mar 2007 04:53:27 PM |
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On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174234919.702670.41000@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form.
I know that, sometimes, English grammar can appear confusing but it really
is easy once you get to grips with it.
Sometimes I start to believe he's actually a 'bot written by
somebody whose first language is German (from his usual sentence*
construction).
But somebody's gotta be feeding the bot the ideas, and occasionally
he comes up with a fairly good one (when he can be deciphered).
Seriously, he seems to have a weird form of dyslexia; he knows what
he's trying to say, but his parseware tends to run sorta sideways to
everyone else's.
* I use the term loosely here.
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
18 Mar 2007 05:28:33 PM |
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"nuny@bid.ness" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174254807.939299.227230@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174234919.702670.41000@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form.
I know that, sometimes, English grammar can appear confusing but it
really
is easy once you get to grips with it.
Sometimes I start to believe he's actually a 'bot written by
somebody whose first language is German (from his usual sentence*
construction).
But somebody's gotta be feeding the bot the ideas, and occasionally
he comes up with a fairly good one (when he can be deciphered).
I am honestly amazed you have the patience and skill to extract readable
sentences from what he has posted. I spent what felt like a month trying to
reform this recent fully and all it did was make my eyes hurt.
I got the (odd) feeling that there was something interesting in one of the
other posts but by the seventh read-through I had to give up...
Seriously, he seems to have a weird form of dyslexia; he knows what
he's trying to say, but his parseware tends to run sorta sideways to
everyone else's.
* I use the term loosely here.
Very loosely :-)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
18 Mar 2007 11:28:39 PM |
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On Mar 18, 3:28 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"n...@bid.ness" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174254807.939299.227230@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174234919.702670.41000@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form.
I know that, sometimes, English grammar can appear confusing but it
really
is easy once you get to grips with it.
Sometimes I start to believe he's actually a 'bot written by
somebody whose first language is German (from his usual sentence*
construction).
But somebody's gotta be feeding the bot the ideas, and occasionally
he comes up with a fairly good one (when he can be deciphered).
I am honestly amazed you have the patience and skill to extract readable
sentences from what he has posted. I spent what felt like a month trying to
reform this recent fully and all it did was make my eyes hurt.
A misspent youth featuring unreasonable quantities of hallucinogens
and an adult-lifelong habituation to assorted cannibinoids in
naturally-available proportions probably helps.
Sometimes I just get lost in the patterns, maaan.
I got the (odd) feeling that there was something interesting in one of the
other posts but by the seventh read-through I had to give up...
This time I'm pretty sure he wants to extend the QM Observer Effect
issue to all of physics; he's saying a thing cannot be defined
independently of context, _and vice versa_. I've always thought that
was obvious.
Or I might be having a flashback... ;>)
Seriously, he seems to have a weird form of dyslexia; he knows what
he's trying to say, but his parseware tends to run sorta sideways to
everyone else's.
* I use the term loosely here.
Very loosely :-)
Ever notice his "sentences" resemble equations written in a kind of
math you haven't taken any courses in?
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
19 Mar 2007 08:21:00 AM |
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"nuny@bid.ness" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174278518.988381.11670@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 3:28 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"n...@bid.ness" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174254807.939299.227230@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174234919.702670.41000@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form.
I know that, sometimes, English grammar can appear confusing but it
really
is easy once you get to grips with it.
Sometimes I start to believe he's actually a 'bot written by
somebody whose first language is German (from his usual sentence*
construction).
But somebody's gotta be feeding the bot the ideas, and occasionally
he comes up with a fairly good one (when he can be deciphered).
I am honestly amazed you have the patience and skill to extract readable
sentences from what he has posted. I spent what felt like a month trying
to
reform this recent fully and all it did was make my eyes hurt.
A misspent youth featuring unreasonable quantities of hallucinogens
and an adult-lifelong habituation to assorted cannibinoids in
naturally-available proportions probably helps.
Sometimes I just get lost in the patterns, maaan.
I got the (odd) feeling that there was something interesting in one of
the
other posts but by the seventh read-through I had to give up...
This time I'm pretty sure he wants to extend the QM Observer Effect
issue to all of physics; he's saying a thing cannot be defined
independently of context, _and vice versa_. I've always thought that
was obvious.
Or I might be having a flashback... ;>)
Seriously, he seems to have a weird form of dyslexia; he knows what
he's trying to say, but his parseware tends to run sorta sideways to
everyone else's.
* I use the term loosely here.
Very loosely :-)
Ever notice his "sentences" resemble equations written in a kind of
math you haven't taken any courses in?
Pretty much sums them up :-)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
19 Mar 2007 10:05:23 AM |
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On Mar 19, 6:21 am, "T Wake" <usenet.es...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"n...@bid.ness" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174278518.988381.11670@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
A misspent youth featuring unreasonable quantities of hallucinogens
and an adult-lifelong habituation to assorted cannibinoids in
naturally-available proportions probably helps.
BTW I should clarify that the above was not meant as a snide
implication about Eagleson; it refers to my personal history.
I have no idea why he writes in his, um, unique style, but IMO my
mentioned history actually helps decipher him because _my_ parseware
is capable of out-of-the-ordinary flexibility.
Hey, I could have broken it permanently. ;>)
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Inverted Gedanken Form Clarifed |
18 Mar 2007 11:46:06 PM |
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On Mar 18, 9:21 am, "Douglas Eagleson" <eaglesondoug...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Inverted Gedanken Form
"A set of dog in a park caused the park's existence."
A dog set was to cause the park appears inverted form. A dog
independent of park appears. And the fallacy as form was to be used
to define.
A theorectical fallacy and not a form fallacy for only in physics may
the park not be existing by dog effect.
So the usage was to be the alternative applied thougth experimental
usage. A type of Gedanken. And to define type was the reason for the
inverted.
So these terms mean exact things in physics, type, set class,
existence, relation, function etc.
And the relation between all is a realm of the philosopher physicist.
A student to formal the form of the science in relation to the form of
statement. Here is a thing to consider.
Science as form uses a logical form different from common discourse.
A structure to science appears well founded, but common discourse
allows fallacy to be inferred unless equivalence is applied to test
theory. SO the equivalence principle causes well founded science in
the logic of common abstracted subject predicate.
Without the equivalence a form of validity would allow erratic
experimental design.
So to example again:
Here is the goal, use inverted Gedanken. And appear to cause
independence.
Pick an example any example, and I will use it in example.. This is a
study of mine and I do need a real example to demonstrate.. Try a
common theory.
If you do not like this kind of logical analysis you might want to
never try theoretical physics, btw.
I wasn't going to engage you this time because I agree that a thing
cannot be defined absent context, and vice versa. At least, that's
what I parsed out of what you wrote.
But then the Elevator Gedankenexperiment burbled up from my
subconscious; the standard form disallows any measurements within the
elevator except at a single point within the elevator (comparisons
between points is disallowed for reasons I find spurious), yet an
acceleration _field_ cannot be described at a single point. If one
measures felt acceleration _as if one were in a field_ which is to say
measure the force due to (gravity/acceleration) at two points within
the elevator and then compare them, one can tell whether the
acceleration field has divergence; i.e. is due to a nearby gravitating
mass or accelerated motion.
The context (gravity vs. inertia) is in the standard form rendered
irretrievably ambiguous before the experiment is done, thus rendering
any results ambiguous.
What say you?
Mark L. Fergerson
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