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"Riley Corninget" |
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12 Sep 2005 07:13:23 PM |
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Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
12 Sep 2005 07:51:50 PM |
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Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
Or you are an idiot. Occam's razor just slashed your throat. A
system at its energy minimum does not spontaneously decay.
[snip crAp]
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Happy Hippy" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
14 Sep 2005 01:59:21 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
Or you are an idiot. Occam's razor just slashed your throat. A
system at its energy minimum does not spontaneously decay.
[snip crAp]
but it keeps moving?
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| User: "Hydrogen Atom" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 12:40:40 AM |
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Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
Don't you go callin' me no "perpetuum mobile" sonny. Ain't no
self-respectin' hydrogen atom gonna let any o' you whippersnappers try
that energy absorbin' mumbo jumbo 'lessin he's defective anyway, so you
jes git that notion right out o' yer head.
Hmpff!! Still workin', you say. I'll say I'm still workin', but only
'cause that dang union organizer ion made off with all the pension
money. And there I was, only a quarter o' a million years away from a
retirement!
You bozos in sci.physics haven't got a clue about how to show respect
to us older folks. I've a good mind to report y'all to the VBB. You
think that jest 'cause atoms can't actually type at the keyboard
without falling through the cracks means that you kin treat us like
we're nothin' but prob'ility waves, but you quantum mechanics wouldn'
even be able t' fix a pickup truck with those durn string thingees.
Jest 'cause YOU don't know 'xactly where we are and 'xactly how fast
we're goin' don't mean that WE don't know those things. Why I kin
'member jest about everythin' there is to know about where I've been
and how fast I got there 'xceptin' why I wanted to go there in the
first place.
[This message was typed by a proxy doxy following subliminal
communication from an irate hydrogen atom who accosted her while she
was down at the beauty shop. In an unrelated message to someone else,
Darlene sends her love and wanted to remind him to feed the chickens
when he gets back from the WalMart.]
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Gravity is like casino winnings. |
13 Sep 2005 02:24:12 AM |
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Hi Hydrogen_Atom and Riley_Corninget,
Corninget was sketching about protons being
some kind of perpetual energy machine.
First off... we're all suffering from an entropy crises, not an energy crises.
Entropy, the second law of thermodymanics, means that
Mass_Energy, a.k.a. Wave_Particles, tend to dissipate,
....making them unavailable for useful work !
Whether an entity is a wave or a particle depends on how you want to measure it.
But I posit that all such randomness is ever virtual, never real,
....randomness is merely a lack of information.
So_Called Cosmic_Time is really entropy, the fifth _Spatial_ dimension,
....it's Space_Time_Entropy... the entire universe, including protons
are on course to become relatively nothing... a vacuum.
It's only left_over density, from the so_called start of the big bang,
that accounts for things like gravity and long_lived protons.
What is the density of protons anyway ? We don't know.
Gravity is like casino winnings... irregardless of any short_term reversals,
everthing always loses to the house in the long_run.
The only thing anyone or _Anything_ ever did was burn bright, like a star,
dissipating into the night.
P.S. Today's obligatory song is Rehab's _It_Dont_Matter_.WMA
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_It_Dont_Matter_.WMA
So they say that life's a play, and that all the world's a stage,
then for another part I pray, the show ends the same way everyday.
And my heart carries the pain of a brain I can't explain.
Am I insane... Am I insane.
And it don't matter and I don't care, I let my pain into the air.
'Cuz everything good's over there, and everything here's hard to bear.
And it don't matter and I don't care, I let my pain into the air.
'Cuz everything good's over there, and everything here's hard to bear.
And everything good is gone... and everything good is gone...
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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13 Sep 2005 09:35:08 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Hydrogen_Atom and Riley_Corninget,
Corninget was sketching about protons being
some kind of perpetual energy machine.
First off... we're all suffering from an entropy crises, not an energy crises.
Entropy, the second law of thermodymanics, means that
Mass_Energy, a.k.a. Wave_Particles, tend to dissipate,
...making them unavailable for useful work !
Whether an entity is a wave or a particle depends on how you want to measure it.
But I posit that all such randomness is ever virtual, never real,
...randomness is merely a lack of information.
So_Called Cosmic_Time is really entropy, the fifth _Spatial_ dimension,
...it's Space_Time_Entropy... the entire universe, including protons
are on course to become relatively nothing... a vacuum.
It's only left_over density, from the so_called start of the big bang,
that accounts for things like gravity and long_lived protons.
What is the density of protons anyway ? We don't know.
Gravity is like casino winnings... irregardless of any short_term reversals,
everthing always loses to the house in the long_run.
Maybe, because we don't know how yet, that the universe is
already loaded with 'unclaimed energy' that is just there
for the taking. Don't know till someone tries.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: We suffer from an entropy crises, not an energy crises. |
14 Sep 2005 12:45:30 AM |
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Hi GreyCloud,
I posited that randomness is incomplete information, ever virtual, never real
and that entropy demarcates the fifth _Spatial_ dimension.
So protons and gravity appear to us as short_term casino winnings
losing to the house in the long_run.
The only thing anyone or _Anything_ ever did was burn bright, like a star,
dissipating into the night.
And you replied:
Maybe, because we don't know how yet,
that the universe is already loaded with 'unclaimed energy' that's
just there for the taking. Don't know till someone tries.
As I said, we suffer from an entropy crises, not an energy crises.
While you're free to posit a bottomless source of useful energy
you will only find yourself in the company of wild_eyed sketchers.
The second law of thermodynamics dictates that
the entropy of the unverse, dissipation, always increases.
There will be relatively no mass_energy in the long_long run.
Further, data from standard candles, e.g type 1-A supernovae,
tell us that space_time is expanding at an accelerated rate
where Einstein's cosmological constant, lambda, is the best fit.
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| User: "John A. Bailo" |
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| Title: Re: We suffer from an entropy crises, not an energy crises. |
14 Sep 2005 09:28:05 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
As I said, we suffer from an entropy crises, not an energy crises.
While you're free to posit a bottomless source of useful energy
you will only find yourself in the company of wild_eyed sketchers.
Do you know where the term "zero point energy" comes from?
During the Cold War, the Russians adopted code names for atomic terms.
A "zero point" is a neutron.
I read that in a book I'm reading, "The Making of A Soviet Scientist".
The Russians were also working on controlled fusion reactions in the
1950s...they thought they could build a fusion reactor in a few
years...but the problem is the magnetic containment takes off more
energy than it produces.
That's still the problem today.
BTW -- Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional
universe so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: We suffer from an entropy crises, not an energy crises. |
14 Sep 2005 12:05:43 PM |
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BTW -- Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional
universe so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
*************
Occam takes it on the chin again.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: North_South smells more than East_West ? |
14 Sep 2005 11:27:39 PM |
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Hi Stockbauer and Bailo,
On shrooms, as usual, Bailo sketched:
Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional universe
so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
How could a _Spatial_ dimension be smaller, much less smellier,
much, much less have some special mass_energy available for useful work ?
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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| Title: Re: North_South smells more than East_West ? |
15 Sep 2005 11:58:17 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Stockbauer and Bailo,
On shrooms, as usual, Bailo sketched:
Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional universe
so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
How could a _Spatial_ dimension be smaller, much less smellier,
much, much less have some special mass_energy available for useful work ?
Well, everything's finite. If you smell more energy, you smell more.
Maybe the universe is overall a steady-state tunneller. After all, the
matter in those black holes can end up elsewhere driving the white hole
that is the universe and its expansion.
-Aut
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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15 Sep 2005 09:48:52 PM |
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"Autymn D. C." wrote:
Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Stockbauer and Bailo,
On shrooms, as usual, Bailo sketched:
Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional universe
so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
How could a _Spatial_ dimension be smaller, much less smellier,
much, much less have some special mass_energy available for useful work ?
Well, everything's finite. If you smell more energy, you smell more.
Maybe the universe is overall a steady-state tunneller. After all, the
matter in those black holes can end up elsewhere driving the white hole
that is the universe and its expansion.
Out of curiosity, is there a micro-cosm parallel available??
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Hawking has denounced the worm holes he once thought might've existed. |
15 Sep 2005 11:02:53 PM |
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Hi GreyCloud, Autymn and Bailo, Autymn mentioned worm holes,
Hawking has denounced the worm holes he once thought might've existed.
He even apoligized to sci_fi freaks like you three guys.
From the perspective of earthlings, an ideal black hole radiates almost nothing,
just _Hawking_Radiation_, which is super tiny for supermassive black holes.
To us here, it seems infinitely cold, with an infinitely strong vacuum.
Thus, in that frame, black holes are the objects with the highest entropy.
A vacuum has a lot of entropy because it's very dissipated.
But if one could switch to the local frame at the center of the black hole,
the density, heat and _Unruh_Radiation_ are relatively infinite.
Thus, in that frame, black holes are the objects with the least entropy.
So entropy is frame dependent.
By the way, there's not enough time in the universe
for a black hole to perfectly form, it dissipates first.
P.S. Professor Unruh posts to Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy from time to time.
His web page is here: http://www.Theory.Physics.UBC.CA/
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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17 Sep 2005 12:42:50 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hawking has denounced the worm holes he once thought might've existed.
He even apoligized to sci_fi freaks like you three guys.
Have you noticed that ever since you stopped working on those crackpot DOS
programs, suddenly your social life has improved.
A word to the wise: go Linux.
--
The Texeme Construct, http://www.texeme.com
360, http://360.yahoo.com/manfrommars_43
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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17 Sep 2005 05:02:47 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo, You asked me:
Have you noticed that
ever since you stopped working on those crackpot DOS programs,
suddenly your social life has improved. A word to the wise: Go_Linux.
Targeting Win_XP is how I got
the money/time/stability to help tech_bust victims like you... ha ha.
Or am I just enabling drama_queens,
....spoiled_rotton kids who don't give a ***** about anything other than
the artificial drama of their homelessness and bag chasing ?
Are they geniuses, enjoying the common_wealth and their youth,
or are they truly insane ? Did the drugs make them insane ? I'm not sure.
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| User: "Daeron" |
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17 Sep 2005 01:04:13 PM |
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on Sep 16, 5:02 am Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hawking has denounced the worm holes he once thought might've
existed. He even apoligized to sci_fi freaks like you three guys.
Didn't Stephen Wolfram demonstrate that everything was some Cellular
Automata. The question of what the Universe is made of being reduced to
what does it run on. As good techies we know that kind of question is
meaningless. It might as well be green cheese or spagetti ;)
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067547
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| User: "chrisv" |
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15 Sep 2005 12:52:55 PM |
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Autymn D. C. wrote:
Jeff_Relf wrote:
*plonk*
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| User: "Aragorn" |
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15 Sep 2005 05:43:21 PM |
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On Thursday 15 September 2005 18:58, Autymn D. C. stood up and spoke the
following words to the masses...:
Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Stockbauer and Bailo,
On shrooms, as usual, Bailo sketched:
Most physicists today believe we live in an 11 dimensional universe
so its quite possible our energy comes into our dimension from
one of those other smaller, and possibly smellier, dimensions.
How could a _Spatial_ dimension be smaller, much less smellier,
much, much less have some special mass_energy available for useful
work ?
Well, everything's finite. If you smell more energy, you smell more.
Maybe the universe is overall a steady-state tunneller. After all,
the matter in those black holes can end up elsewhere driving the white
hole that is the universe and its expansion.
There actually is a theory - although not adopted - that black holes do
have a white hole counterpart in the form of quasars.
Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose however have shown that black holes
don't need a counterpart, since they are vaporizing in the form of the
virtual particles that make up for black hole radiation. ;-)
--
With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(Registered Gnu/Linux user #223157)
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| User: "John A. Bailo" |
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15 Sep 2005 01:04:11 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
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How could a _Spatial_ dimension be smaller, much less smellier,
much, much less have some special mass_energy available for useful work ?
I don't know,
go ask your mom...
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| User: "Hydrogen Atom" |
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13 Sep 2005 03:27:36 AM |
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Young Jeffie-boy jest might have hisself a point there, I shor did feel
kinda dissipated the last time I went to Vegas.
All them show girls were jigglin' about in their high heels and you
could feel that kinetic energy makin' alot o' heat. My proton was
getting mighty dense, so I drove my truck out all the way out to Nye
County where they got them legal brothel-places, but by the time I got
there that durn gravity had brought things back down and even though I
remembered what I come fer nothin' weren't in no condition fer no
useful work no more, so I figured I might as well git myself back to
Vegas so's I could go to the buffet.
And then later I found out that the fifth dimension is where yer money
goes when they's givin' you free drinks. And all this time I thought
the fifth dimension had somthin' to do with hot air balloons. Up, up
and away...
Jest goes to show you cain't trust nuthin' you hear on the radio. Them
thermodynamics will git you every time no matter what station you
lissen' to.
Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Hydrogen_Atom and Riley_Corninget,
Corninget was sketching about protons being
some kind of perpetual energy machine.
First off... we're all suffering from an entropy crises, not an energy crises.
Entropy, the second law of thermodymanics, means that
Mass_Energy, a.k.a. Wave_Particles, tend to dissipate,
...making them unavailable for useful work !
Whether an entity is a wave or a particle depends on how you want to measure it.
But I posit that all such randomness is ever virtual, never real,
...randomness is merely a lack of information.
So_Called Cosmic_Time is really entropy, the fifth _Spatial_ dimension,
...it's Space_Time_Entropy... the entire universe, including protons
are on course to become relatively nothing... a vacuum.
It's only left_over density, from the so_called start of the big bang,
that accounts for things like gravity and long_lived protons.
What is the density of protons anyway ? We don't know.
Gravity is like casino winnings... irregardless of any short_term reversals,
everthing always loses to the house in the long_run.
The only thing anyone or _Anything_ ever did was burn bright, like a star,
dissipating into the night.
P.S. Today's obligatory song is Rehab's _It_Dont_Matter_.WMA
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_It_Dont_Matter_.WMA
So they say that life's a play, and that all the world's a stage,
then for another part I pray, the show ends the same way everyday.
And my heart carries the pain of a brain I can't explain.
Am I insane... Am I insane.
And it don't matter and I don't care, I let my pain into the air.
'Cuz everything good's over there, and everything here's hard to bear.
And it don't matter and I don't care, I let my pain into the air.
'Cuz everything good's over there, and everything here's hard to bear.
And everything good is gone... and everything good is gone...
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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13 Sep 2005 08:48:03 AM |
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Hi Hydrogen_Atom,
If you think you can't lay whores in Las Vegas, I've got news for you,
they're always open for business.
Pato, a.k.a. duckie, my own personal 5'2", 88 pound, 18 year old gymnist *****,
is spending more time with me lately... all her bags are back.
She slept on my floor yesterday.
At another house she stays at, she's sleeping on the couch with my friend Ethen.
Ethen and Pato, both 18, are like fucking twins, very cuddly and stylish,
....so I'm quite happy for her.
God, Pato is hot, and the way she dresses doesn't help any,
but never would I seduce her,
....I'm just burning her CDs and helping her read and write emails.
It's quite voyeuristic, no doubt.
I'd be glad to help her straighten her mind out,
bring her down to earth, make her understand life a bit more,
....but the line of people wanting to help her
extends out the door and around the block.
Speaking of Vegas' buffets, food is one thing I allow myself to over_indulge in.
Drugs and seducers are all around me, but I abstain.
Instead I just try to help as much as I can, expecting nothing in return.
I said that entopy delimits the fith _Spatial_ dimension,
You you commented:
And all this time I thought the fifth dimension had somthin' to do with
hot air balloons. Up, up and away...
Holy *****, that's an old song, no wonder you think I'm young.
How old are you... 55 ?
You concluded:
Jest goes to show you cain't trust nuthin' you hear on the radio.
Them thermodynamics will git you every time
no matter what station you lissen' to.
In the short_term, you do win, and the initial chips were free too,
....it's only the long_term that sucks.
Jesus, in Matthew 6:34, had it right:
Take therefore no thought for the morrow,
for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself.
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
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| User: "John A. Bailo" |
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13 Sep 2005 09:23:57 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Hydrogen_Atom,
If you think you can't lay whores in Las Vegas, I've got news for you,
they're always open for business.
Pato, a.k.a. duckie, my own personal 5'2", 88 pound, 18 year old gymnist *****,
is spending more time with me lately... all her bags are back.
She slept on my floor yesterday.
If this were Vegas, you'd be the guy slicing the prime rib at the
complimentary buffet.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: I'm the coder computing the odds, never gambling. |
13 Sep 2005 09:15:00 PM |
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Hi Bailo, Repeating the obvious,
you said that in this great casino we call life,
you're the guy who cuts the cheese.
Yes, and I'm the coder computing the odds, never gambling.
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| User: "John A. Bailo" |
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14 Sep 2005 09:24:24 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Bailo, Repeating the obvious,
you said that in this great casino we call life,
you're the guy who cuts the cheese.
Yes, and I'm the coder computing the odds, never gambling.
You're that guy in the James Bond film, who builds the doomsday machine
for S.M.E.R.S.H, and who covets the beautiful female spy thats captured
by Bloefeld, and who thinks he's /in-wins-sib-ble/ -- but then, at the
end, gets killed by his own invention.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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15 Sep 2005 01:35:28 AM |
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Hi Bailo, You said that if life were a 007 movie you'd be Mini_Me,
while I'd be M, the babeless gadgeteer.
By the way, you looked good in this shot:
http://image.pathfinder.com/ew/features/990625/itlist/img/minime.jpg
Anyays, thanks for the suggestion,
I just started to download Gold_Member using eDonkey2000/Gnutella_1_2,
but it hasn't really started yet, there are about 400 to 700 sources.
I'm also trying a .Torrent, but it only has 8 sources so far.
I won't know for a few hours yet which, if any, will download reasonably fast.
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| User: "mike3" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 09:02:33 PM |
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Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
No. In quantum mechanics, the electron of an atom can only occupy
certain discrete, or "quantized" (hence "quantum" mechanics) values of
energy. There is a lowest-energy "ground state", that you just can't
get any less than, and therefore you can't extract anything, because
that would make it less.
The atom is not a perpetual motion machine either -- a perpetual
"motion" machine actually refers to a device that does perpetual work,
so it would be better called a "perpetual work machine" (for example,
an object moving in a vacuum under no forces at all moves forever, but
it does not generate any sort of energy -- it carries a CONSTANT amount
of energy that if used would cause it to stop -- it moves forever but
can NOT do work forever). The electron in an atom is not doing any
work, so it cannot be such a machine.
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 12:22:56 PM |
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Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
u r right
Atoms absorb energy and give it off.
Emanations from electrons are at 30c and
have incredibly high frequencies.
the question is, what frequencies do atoms absorb and how can we
turn that on and off.
John
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13 Sep 2005 12:36:07 PM |
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I have a perpetuum mobile. Hanging out in the garden on a tree, moving
in the wind. The instructions said that it will last a long time.
Hence the name, perpetuum mobile. Pecans are a good source of
polyunsaturated oil.
"Daddy, what if someone acted like a "troll", whatever that is at
first, and everybody put them in their horrribly named "killfiles", and
then s/he snuck truly monumental insights into later postings
concerning the fact that the Earth is forming a Planetary Intelligence,
but s/he refuses to ever read anyone's responses because the typical
sci.physics poster has all the class of Charles Whitman on a bad day?
Huh?"
"Son, then the cooking monk tipped over the urn with his toe, and
became the head of the monastery."
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 01:33:52 PM |
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John Sefton wrote:
Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
u r right
Atoms absorb energy and give it off.
Emanations from electrons are at 30c
Evidence of which you have from where?
and
have incredibly high frequencies.
What's "incredibly high" to you?
Is red light "incredibly high"?
the question is, what frequencies do atoms absorb and how can we
turn that on and off.
We know that. They're called absorption spectra. One also knows the
same thing about molecules, and there are whole chapters in organic
chemistry texts devoted to just that subject. Moreover, excited atoms
have different absorption spectra (usually just a line or two changes)
than do ground state atoms, so we know how to turn them on or off too.
Where have you been, John?
John
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 11:59:33 AM |
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Riley Corninget wrote:
Most atoms are quite a few million years old and still working.That means,
they either have very long-living batteries or they are true "perpetuum
mobiles".
A perpetuum mobile is something that you can extract useful work from
and it will *still* keep moving. An atom is not an example of that.
What makes you think an object needs a source of energy to keep moving?
What keeps the Earth flying around the sun at 67,000 mph?
And since we rarely encounter defective atoms, I think atoms would be the
perfect source of energy of the future.We just have to absorb the energy of
the atoms.Simple.
Am I right?
No.
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| User: "Hydrogen Atom" |
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| Title: Re: Is an atom a perpetuum mobile ??? |
13 Sep 2005 01:22:57 PM |
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PD wrote:
A perpetuum mobile is something that you can extract useful work from
and it will *still* keep moving. An atom is not an example of that.
What makes you think an object needs a source of energy to keep moving?
What keeps the Earth flying around the sun at 67,000 mph?
Fer the longest time I thought it were that first law
from that Newton feller, but then the sherriff tol' me
I didn't have to pay sech laws no nevermin' cuz I was
so much smaller then the folk who wasn't atoms.
Seems that the laws 'cordin' to relativity don't quite
come out the same as the laws 'cordin' to quantum
mechanics, so the jur'sdiction aint quite clear 'bout
what law I should be followin'.
Now I don't hold with breaking no laws, which is why
I drove clear out to Nye County to have some fun
where the girls gotta get checked for HIV regular-like.
An' my fiktishius friend Josie (the proxy doxys) sez that
it's less like 'xploitaion when them females get
themselves a 401K plan for when their looks start
to go, cuz it ain't no picnic bein' a post-menopausal
hag anymore, spec'lly on a usenet group where folks
think that 55 is real old.
Annyways, back to the questin 'bout movin' 'round.
Folks talk alot 'bout I-nertia, (pronounced eye-nersha,
jest like that country with the all the trouble lately
is called eye-rack). That Mach feller sez that I-nertia
has somethin' to do with everyone else in the universe
pullin' on you in a way that makes it hard to 'ceelerate
'lessen' there's some force actin' up. Now I don' like
this idea too much 'cause I don't hold with the notion
of bein' tol' what to do by some other stuff livin' in
a place that's so fer away that they talk funny.
Bet they don't know whether a Coke is a pop or a soda
way over there where everything goes red.
I cain't really say whether that Mach feller is right
or wrong, but I kin say that I don't like the notion
much either way. It's the principle of the thing
I alwus say.
But either way, I jest keep movin' 'round. Seems like
somethin' I gotta do becuz of who I am, like iffn' I
stop I jest gonna not really be me annymore. When you
fellers figure out what law I'm sposed to be followin',
kindly let me know. Like I saud, I don't hold with breakin'
no laws.
Now some of you are askin' me about how old I really am,
whether I'm 55 or 13.7 billion or 22 billion years.
Well I ain't gonna say. Part of it is 'cuz I get kinda
confused with you fellers changin' the calendar
so offen since I was born. How'm I s'posed to know
how when I'm s'posed to get a birthday cake let alone
how menny candles t' put onnit?
What's that? How old is Josie? Well, sorry to tell you
this, but Josie is act'shlly ficticious. She says she
ain't an' it depends on what frame of reference yer
partic'lar to, but I don't pay her much attention on
that score. You jest cain't trust someone who takes so
long to figger out that you cain't talk to a troll 'lessen
you switch threads cuz they never read any 'sponses.
And it seems to me that them ficticious folk ain't no
better than a centrifugal revenooer the one who didn'
get no taxes offa me cuz he looked even more ficticious
than Josie.
No offense, Darlene, keep up the good work.
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