Science > Physics > Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such?
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09 Feb 2006 04:56:49 PM |
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Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
that is actually based upon a speed?
After all
it is really like saying
a certain distance = a certain speed.
There is a big problem with that.
and it really needs to be addressed by the
higher lifeforms of Earth before science can
really "leap" again.
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 05:03:58 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
that is actually based upon a speed?
After all
it is really like saying
a certain distance = a certain speed.
There is a big problem with that.
and it really needs to be addressed by the
higher lifeforms of Earth before science can
really "leap" again.
If SR or GR are ever falsified, and if whatever
replaces them does not hold the speed of light
to be constant in all inertial frames, then
no doubt the standard will be modified accordingly.
Until then, and until someone can demonstrate that
the speed of light is in fact not constant in all
inertial frames, then there would be no motivation
to change the standard.
All experiments and observations to date involving
length and time units have obeyed SR and GR.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 05:29:07 PM |
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"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
| news:TtCdnf-V5MM-VXbenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| > After all
| > it is really like saying
| > a certain distance = a certain speed.
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| > There is a big problem with that.
| > and it really needs to be addressed by the
| > higher lifeforms of Earth before science can
| > really "leap" again.
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| If SR or GR are ever falsified, and if whatever
| replaces them does not hold the speed of light
| to be constant in all inertial frames, then
| no doubt the standard will be modified accordingly.
SR and GR have no proof the speed of light is
constant for all relative frames of reference.
In fact when you use relative speeds it actually
proves lightspeed can not be the same speed
to all.
Ship passes lightbulb at 0.5c
light bulb is turned on 1 second later.
lightbulbs light wave passing ship speed is 0.5c
Tada!
Not constant to all, at all..
total ***** only.
| Until then, and until someone can demonstrate that
| the speed of light is in fact not constant in all
| inertial frames, then there would be no motivation
| to change the standard.
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| All experiments and observations to date involving
| length and time units have obeyed SR and GR.
a distance = a speed.
you can swallow that crap all you want.
I will just laugh at it thanks.
:)
LOL
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 05:41:44 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message news:lZOdnVZjDtyoTXbeRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
| news:TtCdnf-V5MM-VXbenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| > After all
| > it is really like saying
| > a certain distance = a certain speed.
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| > There is a big problem with that.
| > and it really needs to be addressed by the
| > higher lifeforms of Earth before science can
| > really "leap" again.
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| If SR or GR are ever falsified, and if whatever
| replaces them does not hold the speed of light
| to be constant in all inertial frames, then
| no doubt the standard will be modified accordingly.
SR and GR have no proof the speed of light is
constant for all relative frames of reference.
Indeed. So you have nothing to fear.
SR and GR merely model all the experimental facts
that hint at the speed of light being locally constant
for all inertial frames of reference. Those same facts
are not consistent with our intuitive and common
sense gut feeling that the speed of light should vary
between relative frames of reference.
I know that it hurts you, and that you will not allow
anyone or anything to stop you from getting hurt
by this. So by all means, enjoy it.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 05:50:50 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message news:lZOdnVZjDtyoTXbeRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
a distance = a speed.
Distance = distance
Watch your units, they're broken.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 06:23:16 PM |
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"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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| > a distance = a speed.
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| Distance = distance
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| Watch your units, they're broken.
One of your distances is "a speed in reality"
It is your units that are broken and "stupid" also.
LOL
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| User: "Greg Neill" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 06:25:52 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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| > a distance = a speed.
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| Distance = distance
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| Watch your units, they're broken.
One of your distances is "a speed in reality"
It is your units that are broken and "stupid" also.
LOL
This might explain why you don't know any physics;
You figured that your school was thirty miles
per hour from home and haven't get there yet.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 06:44:29 PM |
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"Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
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| "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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| > "Greg Neill" <gneillREM@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
| > news:YzQGf.39037$1e5.695416@news20.bellglobal.com...
| > | "Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
| > news:lZOdnVZjDtyoTXbeRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
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| > | > a distance = a speed.
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| > | Distance = distance
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| > | Watch your units, they're broken.
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| > One of your distances is "a speed in reality"
| > It is your units that are broken and "stupid" also.
| > LOL
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| This might explain why you don't know any physics;
| You figured that your school was thirty miles
| per hour from home and haven't get there yet.
That is your "standards" thoughts,
not mine.
your standard has taken the speed of light, (a speed)
and used it as a standard for a distance.(distance)
hence you are the one with the
distance = speed
joke for a standard.
LOL
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using aspeed for such? |
10 Feb 2006 11:19:54 AM |
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Spaceshit wrote:
SR and GR have no proof the speed of light is
constant for all relative frames of reference.
In fact when you use relative speeds it actually
proves lightspeed can not be the same speed
to all.
SR and GTR are "physical" theories and not mathematical
"theorems", so the word "proof" is inappropriate.
The speed of light is always observed to be c. In fact
the speed of light is a "defined" constant.
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpeedofLight.html
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
10 Feb 2006 11:26:39 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
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| > SR and GR have no proof the speed of light is
| > constant for all relative frames of reference.
| > In fact when you use relative speeds it actually
| > proves lightspeed can not be the same speed
| > to all.
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| SR and GTR are "physical" theories and not mathematical
| "theorems", so the word "proof" is inappropriate.
Physical theories that use measurements that are not
physically taken?
LOL
| The speed of light is always observed to be c. In fact
| the speed of light is a "defined" constant.
| http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpeedofLight.html
Complete utter ***** that only brainwashed SR worshippers
will keep worshipping.
LOL
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using aspeed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 07:16:58 PM |
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Spaceshit wrote:
Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
that is actually based upon a speed?
Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
fundamental constant of the universe!
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 07:20:52 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
| fundamental constant of the universe!
Only to "one" frame of reference type morons.
No frame jumping allowed ofcourse.!
Simply because it creates non c speeds for light
when compared "relatively".
LOL
Sam thinks
a distance = a speed
is using a fundamental constant!
ROFLOL
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using aspeed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 10:55:55 PM |
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Spaceman wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
| fundamental constant of the universe!
Only to "one" frame of reference type morons.
No frame jumping allowed ofcourse.!
Simply because it creates non c speeds for light
when compared "relatively".
LOL
The speed of light is c for all observers.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
10 Feb 2006 02:00:15 AM |
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In sci.physics, Sam Wormley
<swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote
on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:55:55 GMT
<v1VGf.758618$x96.48884@attbi_s72>:
Spaceman wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
| fundamental constant of the universe!
Only to "one" frame of reference type morons.
No frame jumping allowed ofcourse.!
Simply because it creates non c speeds for light
when compared "relatively".
LOL
The speed of light is c for all observers.
More precisely, the speed of light in vacuo is hypothesized
to be c for all observers regardless of motion of observer
with respect to light source, and has never been observed
to be anything but c, within experimental error.
(There was an experiment measuring gamma ray lightspeed from
fast-moving pi mesons, for example (v =~ 0.2c). I would
forget the name of the experimenters, unfortunately.)
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using aspeed for such? |
09 Feb 2006 10:31:24 PM |
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Spaceshit wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
| > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
| fundamental constant of the universe!
Only to "one" frame of reference type morons.
No frame jumping allowed ofcourse.!
Simply because it creates non c speeds for light
when compared "relatively".
The speed of light is c for all observers.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using a speed for such? |
10 Feb 2006 10:46:45 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Spaceshit wrote:
| > "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
| > news:eQRGf.766052$_o.94147@attbi_s71...
| > | Spaceshit wrote:
| > | > Let's look at the (new) standard for the meter.
| > | > Is it really proper to make the meter a standard
| > | > that is actually based upon a speed?
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| > | Excellent standard--the speed of light appears to be a
| > | fundamental constant of the universe!
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| > Only to "one" frame of reference type morons.
| > No frame jumping allowed ofcourse.!
| > Simply because it creates non c speeds for light
| > when compared "relatively".
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| The speed of light is c for all observers.
Nope.
If it truly were light would never doppler shift from
relative speeds alone.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Is creating a standard measurement of distance ok by using aspeed for such? |
10 Feb 2006 11:09:06 AM |
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Spaceshit wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| The speed of light is c for all observers.
Nope.
If it truly were light would never doppler shift from
relative speeds alone.
Spaceshit doesn't understand Doppler Effect as it applies to
electromagnetic radiation.
Doppler Effect
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/DopplerEffect.html
No wiggle room for spaceshit.
Speed of Light is a defined constant
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpeedofLight.html
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