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"Pentcho Valev" |
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14 Feb 2006 01:32:50 AM |
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Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
Do postscientific educators know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible. If there is gravitational time
dilation, the speed of light (in vacuum) is constant c=300000km/s in a
gravitational field. If photons accelerate in a gravitational field and
a receiver measures their speed to be e.g. greater than c=300000km/s,
there is no gravitational time dfilation. The reason is that one factor
- either gravitational time dilation or variable speed of light - is
enough to explain, although incorrectly in the former case, the
frequency shift confirmed experimentally.
On p.3 in http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf
the educator has chosen gravitational time dilation and constancy of
the speed of light - his receiver obviously receives light with speed
c=300000km/s. Does the educator know what he is doing? Surely - here is
the testimony of another educator:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?
Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the measurement. It can
also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume you really mean the
standard value for c). And this can happen even for an accelerated
observer in a region without any significant gravitation (e.g. in
Minkowski spacetime).
Tom Roberts
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
14 Feb 2006 03:50:20 AM |
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In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible.
Bzzzt. Wrong. But we have a case of Rice-A-Roni as a consolation prize for
playing.
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| User: "Howard" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
14 Feb 2006 09:53:15 AM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Nothing. He makes things up in his head.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
14 Feb 2006 11:23:16 AM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Postscientific is what comes after science.
What comes after science is that part of science for which
Pentcho Valev's (and most other imbeciles' on this forum)
brain is not wired, i.e. the part where equations are used.
know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible.
Bzzzt. Wrong. But we have a case of Rice-A-Roni as a consolation
prize for playing.
hm, they kicked all over the place. Isn't that enough as
a consolation prize?
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
15 Feb 2006 03:30:11 AM |
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Postscientific is what comes after science.
Raving villagers with pitchforks and torches???
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Hexenmeister" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
17 Feb 2006 08:00:23 AM |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1139995811.547979.155940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Postscientific is what comes after science.
Raving villagers with pitchforks and torches???
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Yeah, that's about right.
Androcles.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
15 Feb 2006 05:12:31 AM |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1139995811.547979.155940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Postscientific is what comes after science.
Raving villagers with pitchforks and torches???
and with Bibles, Talmoeds and Korans.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
14 Feb 2006 10:59:25 AM |
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In article <8moIf.256903$8P4.7895106@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:dssqne$dsp$1@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
Postscientific is what comes after science.
So is there post math?
What comes after science is that part of science for which
Pentcho Valev's (and most other imbeciles' on this forum)
brain is not wired, i.e. the part where equations are used.
know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible.
Bzzzt. Wrong. But we have a case of Rice-A-Roni as a consolation
prize for playing.
hm, they kicked all over the place. Isn't that enough as
a consolation prize?
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
17 Feb 2006 08:09:45 AM |
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Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <1139902370.089647.166480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do postscientific educators
What the heck does that mean?
I don't know.
The period after work is called PostOffice.
The period after breakfast is called PostToasties.
The period after excavating is called PostHoleDigger.
PD
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| User: "stavros" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
17 Feb 2006 08:35:37 AM |
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have you a post phd?
phd is nothen withot an electronc engineer,
lets see your post phd
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| User: "Pentcho Valev" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
14 Feb 2006 01:48:12 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Do postscientific educators know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible.
This is a mistake. The correct phrase is: For instance, gravitational
time dilation and the principle of VARIABILITY of the speed of light
are incompatible.
Pentcho Valev
If there is gravitational time
dilation, the speed of light (in vacuum) is constant c=300000km/s in a
gravitational field. If photons accelerate in a gravitational field and
a receiver measures their speed to be e.g. greater than c=300000km/s,
there is no gravitational time dfilation. The reason is that one factor
- either gravitational time dilation or variable speed of light - is
enough to explain, although incorrectly in the former case, the
frequency shift confirmed experimentally.
On p.3 in http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf
the educator has chosen gravitational time dilation and constancy of
the speed of light - his receiver obviously receives light with speed
c=300000km/s. Does the educator know what he is doing? Surely - here is
the testimony of another educator:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?
Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the measurement. It can
also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume you really mean the
standard value for c). And this can happen even for an accelerated
observer in a region without any significant gravitation (e.g. in
Minkowski spacetime).
Tom Roberts
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
15 Feb 2006 06:16:10 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139903292.557498.221240@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pentcho Valev wrote:
Do postscientific educators know what they are doing? Judging from the
grandiose idiocy surrounding entropy education the answer is rather no.
Yet in some cases educational fraud is obviously deliberate. For
instance, gravitational time dilation and the principle of constancy of
the speed of light are incompatible.
This is a mistake. The correct phrase is: For instance, gravitational
time dilation and the principle of VARIABILITY of the speed of light
are incompatible.
Pentcho Valev
Nonsense; and explained to you before. But this time you do have an excuse:
many people don't understand this matter -- probably because most people
just don't get that, as long as the transit time doesn't change over time,
there is no Doppler effect with constant distance between source and
receiver.
Harald
If there is gravitational time
dilation, the speed of light (in vacuum) is constant c=300000km/s in a
gravitational field. If photons accelerate in a gravitational field and
a receiver measures their speed to be e.g. greater than c=300000km/s,
there is no gravitational time dfilation. The reason is that one factor
- either gravitational time dilation or variable speed of light - is
enough to explain, although incorrectly in the former case, the
frequency shift confirmed experimentally.
On p.3 in http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf
the educator has chosen gravitational time dilation and constancy of
the speed of light - his receiver obviously receives light with speed
c=300000km/s. Does the educator know what he is doing? Surely - here is
the testimony of another educator:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
CAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT EXCEED 300000 km/s IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD?
Sure, depending on the physical conditions of the measurement. It can
also be less than "300000 km/s" (by which I assume you really mean the
standard value for c). And this can happen even for an accelerated
observer in a region without any significant gravitation (e.g. in
Minkowski spacetime).
Tom Roberts
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is Postscientific Education Deliberate? |
15 Feb 2006 01:38:48 AM |
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Vociferous imbecile. Put a cork in it.
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