Science > Physics > Is there enough of Jill's mind left for her to get another job ?
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30 Sep 2005 08:37:38 PM |
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Is there enough of Jill's mind left for her to get another job ? |
Hey All, I just got laid after 14 years without.
Her name is Jill and I met her for the first time early this morning.
She let me ***** her without a condom
but about a minute after I finished ejaculating
she pulled me out and got out of bed
saying she felt_dirty and didn't want to cuddle.
I just wanted to make sure my plumming still worked... ha !
I came fast, drenching the bed.
She's 36 and a 16 year veteran of Boeing before quitting 2.5 years ago.
Boeing has fallen on hard times, in case ya all hadn't heard... ha ha.
She's been very suicidal after leaving Boeing,
initially trying to drink herself to death before switching to crack.
She's a regular at the Blue_Moon, a historic tavern in Seattle's U_distric.
I've been eating the Blue_Moon peanuts that she left me.
There's a 62 year old UW arts professor there that buys her drinks
and gives her some money... she cooks and cleans for him at times... no sex.
Other girls drop by his place for that.
Although she once was anorexic, she's fat now, with big tits and long hair.
Her face is... well... very bull_dykish.
She used to ride a Harley, or something like that.
She owns a lot of guns, including an M16 machine_gun.
Her dad is retired after working for the railroad for 36 years.
As a child she lived in the mountians of southern Oregon.
Her 10 year marriage is only just now being finalized
but she has had a boyfriend for the last 2 years,
often fucking him 4 times a day, she said.
She has no kids and never used birth control,
so I'm thinking she must be infertile.
She said medical test said she was fertile.
The boyfriend is a nice looking black guy, according to my friend Dennis,
but he beats her and she says she's dumping him.
Dennis, a friend of my housemate Ken, is how I met Jill.
Ain't rooming_houses grand ?
She's heavy into to crack, so I'll probably stear clear of her in the future.
I gave her 20 bucks... yes, I paid for sex...
and yes, she'll probably spend that on crack, so yes, she was a crack *****.
Although she has let guys eat her ***** recently,
she claims that, other than her boyfriend,
I'm the only one who has fucked her in the last two years.
She cried when she told me that... so I'm inclined to believe her.
The crack house she was staying in got shutdown recently,
....imgaine 26 cops breaking down doors, tossing grenades
and combing through everything, handcuffing everyone.
They thought, erroneously, that there was a meth lab there
and a grow operation.
After that, and before today's breakup,
Jill and her boyfriend were staying at friend of hers,
so she's now looking even harder for a place to rent.
She gets GAU, cash benefits, from Washinton state's DSHS for chronic pain,
....and she claims she always pays rent.
She pays for the crack by selling it and then smoking the profits.
So yes, besides being a crack_whore and a gun_toting bull_dyke
she's a crack_dealer... yeah !
I told her to get a job, any job, for her mental health,
but the question is:
Is there enough of Jill's mind left for her to get another job ?
Check out these cool songs from Rehab, a band Ken introduced me to,
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_Crazy_People_.MP3
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_It_Dont_Matter_.WMA
And how am I suppose to walk, and how am I suppose to talk,
and how am I suppose to live when I ain't got a damn thang to give ?
[ Repeat ]
Hey you wanna get a .50 [ caliber ] piece ? [ Nah ] Me neither.
You ever wanna kill a cop ? [ Nah ] Me neither.
Ever contemplated suicide ? [ Nah ] Me neither.
You ever wanna run through a mall
with an M16 yellin' kill 'em all ? [ Nah ] Me neither.
You ever wanna swerve into the oncoming lane leavin' nothin' but body parts,
wrecked cars and brains ? [ Nah ] Well, me neither.
World full of crazy people and I guess I'm one in the same.
And I tell you man it's evil, but I don't know no other game.
How did I get so dirty, you can see it on my face.
But I ain't killed nobody today, just yet,
so ya'll better give me some praise.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Is there enough of Jill's mind left for her to get another job ? |
30 Sep 2005 09:07:36 PM |
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She's suicidal? So you ***** her then hand her $20. I'm sure that
improved her self esteem a big bunch. You're so thoughtful of others.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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02 Oct 2005 04:15:07 PM |
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Hi Mark_Martin, You wrote:
She's suicidal ? So you ***** her then hand her $20.
I'm sure that improved her self esteem a big bunch.
You're so thoughtful of others.
She asked for the 20 USD because she was recently evicted, twice,
not to mention recently losing a husband of 10 years and a boyfriend of 2 years,
and she had no money... and I agreed because I liked her life's story.
She said that, other than her boy friend,
I'm the only one to have had full_on sex with her in the last 2 years.
She came by again yesterday and she said she'd come by today,
I think she likes me... so yes, I am thoughtful of others.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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02 Oct 2005 04:37:40 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Mark_Martin, You wrote:
She's suicidal ? So you ***** her then hand her $20.
I'm sure that improved her self esteem a big bunch.
You're so thoughtful of others.
She asked for the 20 USD because she was recently evicted, twice,
not to mention recently losing a husband of 10 years and a boyfriend of 2 years,
and she had no money... and I agreed because I liked her life's story.
She said that, other than her boy friend,
I'm the only one to have had full_on sex with her in the last 2 years.
She came by again yesterday and she said she'd come by today,
I think she likes me... so yes, I am thoughtful of others.
Whatever. You're the one who said she felt tainted after doin' it
with the likes of you.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: I guess Duckie's mad at me now. |
02 Oct 2005 06:59:43 PM |
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Hi Mark_Martin, You reminded me that Jill said she felt dirty after I came
and refused to cuddle afterwards...
Unlike men, women hate to cuddle with strangers, I'm afraid.
Duckie let Ethen, her semi_boyfriend, cuddle her after sex,
but she recently told me she didn't like it.
Duckie recently gave up on Pete, a guy she's known since she was 14,
and the only one she thinks could ever understand her... so now she wants to die.
After a wild drug/sex orgy, she miscarried Pete's baby about three months ago.
She loved to cuddle with Pete, of course.
Pete, who lives in Tampa, has sent her emails detailing
how much fun/sex he's been having with his new girl... I read them myself.
He also told her to stop killing herself slowly with drugs,
a sentiment Duckie knows I wholeheartedly agree with.
While males can enjoy sex/cuddling with strangers,
women tend to prefer it only in a long_term relationship,
....unless they're high or otherwise getting paid.
P.S. Duckie served me dinner again tonight,
but she told me she met Jill at one of her squats and was repulsed by her.
I guess she's mad at me now... she said she won't be back for a few days.
Now playing, a song Duckie, Ken and me like, Rehab's _Sittin_At_A_Bar_.MP3
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_Sittin_At_A_Bar_.MP3
I guess it was meant to be, romance is misery.
So much for memories, and now I'm headed to the Penitentary.
See me on T.V., the next cop series.
I am a danger, I guess I should've done something about my anger.
But I'll never learn, real things I don't concern.
I poor kerosene on everything I love and watch it burn.
I know it's my fault, but I wasn't happy it was over.
She threw a fit so I crashed that piece a ***** nova.
And now I'm goin' back again, back to the pen to see my friends.
And when we all pile out that county van, they'll ask me where I've been.
I've been at a bar on the inside, waitin' for my ride on the outside.
She broke my heart in the trailer park,
so I jacked the keys to her fuckkin' car,
I crashed that piece of ***** and then stepped away.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: I guess Duckie's mad at me now. |
03 Oct 2005 05:08:40 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_2_Y9u8@Cotse.NET...
Unlike men, women hate to cuddle with strangers, I'm afraid.
From personal experience I would say this is far from true. If anything it
is the opposite way round.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Can't T_Wake give examples ? |
03 Oct 2005 06:43:20 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, Giving real_life examples, I said women, unlike men,
don't like to cuddle with strangers...
And you replied:
From personal experience I would say this is far from true.
If anything it is the opposite way round.
Can't you give examples ?
Have you ever tried walking up to some random hot chick
and start cuddling with her ? Have you ever wanted to ? Are you male ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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04 Oct 2005 03:23:47 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_3_97Yh@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, Giving real_life examples, I said women, unlike men,
don't like to cuddle with strangers...
And you replied:
From personal experience I would say this is far from true.
If anything it is the opposite way round.
Can't you give examples ?
Yes.
Have you ever tried walking up to some random hot chick
Who said anything about a "hot chick."
and start cuddling with her ? Have you ever wanted to ? Are you male ?
Going back to my young single days -I have, many a time, woken up (whilst
still sobering up) next to some random female from the night before and
thought "***t, I have to get out" while they are still trying to cuddle etc.
I never once woke up next to a strange woman I had met the night before and
thought "I just want a cuddle."
I have never spoken to another male who wanted to "cuddle" the girl they
pulled the night before - most want to get out and get away before she
starts asking questions like "what is your name?"
However, a key point here is this is something I grew out of long ago.
(leaving the Army helped as well..)
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Maybe I just care that much more about the people I'm with. |
04 Oct 2005 10:13:03 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, You said you used to ***** strangers,
when you were younger and in the army.
I've _Never_ ever been like that myself.
I knew Jill's history backwards and forwards before I agreed to do her.
As it turned out, she and I know some of the same people, including
a woman named Tina who hanged herself not long after losing her job at boeing.
She also knows Marc, the meth dealer who's trying to quite the business.
I always want to cuddle with the _Friend_ that I'm fucking,
unfortunately for me, she refused to do it after I ejactulated,
even though we were cuddling at times before then.
Hmm... maybe you're right, maybe it is just me,
maybe I just care that much more about the people I'm with.
That can drive people away at times.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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05 Oct 2005 01:04:44 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_4_c7yT@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, You said you used to ***** strangers,
when you were younger and in the army.
I've _Never_ ever been like that myself.
I knew Jill's history backwards and forwards before I agreed to do her.
Had you known her all her life or did you know her history from what she
told you?
I like your choice of words here - "do her" - good sign of your attitude.
As it turned out, she and I know some of the same people, including
a woman named Tina who hanged herself not long after losing her job at
boeing.
She also knows Marc, the meth dealer who's trying to quite the business.
I always want to cuddle with the _Friend_ that I'm fucking,
unfortunately for me, she refused to do it after I ejactulated,
even though we were cuddling at times before then.
Wonder why, most women I know complain that men dont want to cuddle enough.
Hmm... maybe you're right, maybe it is just me,
maybe I just care that much more about the people I'm with.
Interesting - however I dont agree. If you did care about them so much you
would put their needs and desires above your own.
That can drive people away at times.
So you say.
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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06 Oct 2005 09:11:38 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hmm... maybe you're right, maybe it is just me,
maybe I just care that much more about the people I'm with.
That can drive people away at times.
Jeff,
You are the Abraham Lincoln of your generation...like him, you tried and
tried to /find/ a career until at a late age, it came to you.
You failed as a physicist.
You failed as a programmer.
You failed as a contractor.
You failed as a father.
And now, you found your niche -- as host to drug peddlers and petty thieves.
--
360 updated 10/5
http://360.yahoo.com/manfrommars_43
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| User: "John Bailo" |
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02 Oct 2005 09:46:51 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
P.S. Duckie served me dinner again tonight,
but she told me she met Jill at one of her squats and was repulsed by her.
I guess she's mad at me now... she said she won't be back for a few days.
Once again, you blew a chance at the one good thing in your life that could
save you.
--
The Texeme Construct, http://www.texeme.com
360, http://360.yahoo.com/manfrommars_43
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Homeless nut_jobs are costing me lots of time, worry and money. |
03 Oct 2005 12:03:39 PM |
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Hi John_Bailo,
I said Duckie was unhappy about Jill and would be leaving for a few days,
and you replied:
Once again, you blew a chance at the one good thing in your life
that could save you.
Duckie, being the flake that she is, actually came back about an hour later
and spent many hours re-arraging her closet, washing her clothes,
taking a shower, etc. I even watched her shop_lift again.
There's a slight chance that I could convince Duckie to get a job,
or, perhaps more appropriately for her, cash/food/medical assistence,
and to end her life of squats, drugs, crime and confinement... a slight chance.
So it'd be me saving her... not the other way around, Bailo.
Other than the company of a Pretty_Young_Thing and the thugs following her,
I'm getting nothing in return.
I've spent tons more time and money on Marc,
the guy that called me a snitch, so you know I'm no skirt chaser.
Two guys in my house have filed warrents against him,
he's got them fearing for their lives, it seems.
I'm a real pushover,
these homeless nut_jobs are costing me lots of time, worry and money,
I might have to find some extra income soon.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:39:29 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
I'm a real pushover,
these homeless nut_jobs are costing me lots of time, worry and money,
I might have to find some extra income soon.
No you don't, if you choose not to. All you have to do is tell them
the free ride is over, that you've come to the end of your resources.
Tell them it's time to find their own extra income.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Such little goes so far. |
03 Oct 2005 11:59:27 PM |
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Hi Mark_Martin,
I said I needed to earn more money to help baby_sit the homeless,
and you told me:
No you don't, if you choose not to.
All you have to do is tell them the free ride is over,
that you've come to the end of your resources.
Tell them it's time to find their own extra income.
I always pay my own bills first, of course.
I like giving to the homeless... such little goes so far.
It's such a circus, the freaks are entertaining.
I realize my help is trivial, but who has anything but trivial choices anyways ?
None avoids death in the long run, just like none chose to be born,
and all any ever did was burn bright, like a star, dissipating into the night.
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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04 Oct 2005 04:57:18 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
I realize my help is trivial, but who has anything but trivial choices anyways ?
None avoids death in the long run, just like none chose to be born,
and all any ever did was burn bright, like a star, dissipating into the night.
You don't help. If you are for real, which I very much
doubt, you victimize and capitalize on other's misfortune to
serve your own sexual appetite. You are a predator and a
creep of the highest order. If you continue your
unprotected sex practices you will soon be a felon if you
aren't already. You will also be dead and that will be to
the world's benefit. You will find the process of dying
from what you are inviting to be extremely unpleasant.
That's a small justice but it's some at least.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: I only trust studies on mammals, like rats... that's hard science. |
04 Oct 2005 12:14:18 PM |
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Hi Bob_Cain, I spoke of how I'm basically baby_sitting the homeless,
And you replied:
You don't help. If you are for real, which I very much doubt, you victimize
and capitalize on other's misfortune to serve your own sexual appetite.
I've had sex once in the last 14 years,
and I gave some money to a woman with a really, really, _Really_ sad story.
I've given far, far more money and free rent to males.
You:
You are a predator and a creep of the highest order.
If you continue your unprotected sex practices
you will soon be a felon if you aren't already.
You will also be dead and that will be to the world's benefit.
You will find the process of dying from what you are inviting
to be extremely unpleasant.
That's a small justice but it's some at least.
Viruses are just always around, condoms are useless.
Drugs destroy the immune and nervous systems... leading to HIV and AIDS.
Human studies, HIV studies, are a wildly soft science,
I only trust studies on mammals, like rats... that's hard science.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: I only trust studies on mammals, like rats... that's hard science. |
04 Oct 2005 03:20:15 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_4_7AMc@Cotse.NET...
I've had sex once in the last 14 years,
and I gave some money to a woman with a really, really, _Really_ sad
story.
I've given far, far more money and free rent to males.
You are not being selfless though. You are doing all this for your own
gratification and pleasure at the "freak show." You are not helping them
lift themselves out of the position they are in, if anything you are simply
prolonging their agony.
Viruses are just always around, condoms are useless.
Drugs destroy the immune and nervous systems... leading to HIV and AIDS.
Human studies, HIV studies, are a wildly soft science,
I only trust studies on mammals, like rats... that's hard science.
You are fully aware Humans are mammals, aren't you? You are saying here you
trust studies of rats more than studies of humans? Unusual approach.
By the way, how do you account for the non-drug users who are HIV+ / AIDS
sufferers.
What about all the other collection of sexually transmitted diseases? When
you start to go mad from syphilis will you be thinking "good job I only
trusted the rat studies..."
Condoms are the most effective (other than abstinence) method for the
prevention of most STIs - of which HIV/AIDS is just one. Did she have
genital warts? Did she have .... etc.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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04 Oct 2005 01:04:41 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
condoms are useless.
Wrong: pregnancy, syphilis, gonorrhea, trichomoniasis, etc.
Human studies, HIV studies, are a wildly soft science,
I only trust studies on mammals, like rats... that's hard science.
Does it occur to you that HIV studies are carried out on lab
mammals? They're done on rats, monkeys, cows and even cats. There are
immunodeficiency viruses for several varieties of non-human mammals.
(Incidentally, animals that get infected with species-specific
immunodeficiency viruses are rarely drug abusers.)
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Mark_Martin, I call your bluff. |
05 Oct 2005 06:09:50 AM |
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Hi Mark_Martin, I said I only trust studies on mammals, like common rats,
because it's a harder science than human studies...
And you replied:
Does it occur to you that HIV studies are carried out on lab mammals ?
They're done on rats, monkeys, cows and even cats.
There are immunodeficiency viruses for several varieties of non-human mammals.
( Incidentally, animals that get infected with species-specific
immunodeficiency viruses are rarely drug abusers. )
I've never heard of the common rat, for example,
losing it's immune system to a virus, all other things being equal,
....and neither have you.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Mark_Martin, I call your bluff. |
05 Oct 2005 06:38:45 AM |
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But we need HIV to help thin the crop so that what's left can be
supported in a post fossil fuel era.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Finally, Don_Stockbauer makes sense. |
05 Oct 2005 04:17:06 PM |
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Hi Don_Stockbauer, You said you were glad that drugs are destroying
your immune and nervous systems because others need the resources...
For once, I agree with you.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Finally, Don_Stockbauer makes sense. |
05 Oct 2005 04:22:20 PM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Don_Stockbauer, You said you were glad that drugs are destroying
your immune and nervous systems because others need the resources...
For once, I agree with you.
You're such an idiot.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Mark_Martin, I call your bluff. |
05 Oct 2005 08:25:28 AM |
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Jeff_Relf wrote:
Hi Mark_Martin, I said I only trust studies on mammals, like common rats,
because it's a harder science than human studies...
And you replied:
Does it occur to you that HIV studies are carried out on lab mammals ?
They're done on rats, monkeys, cows and even cats.
There are immunodeficiency viruses for several varieties of non-human mammals.
( Incidentally, animals that get infected with species-specific
immunodeficiency viruses are rarely drug abusers. )
I've never heard of the common rat, for example,
losing it's immune system to a virus, all other things being equal,
...and neither have you.
I never said that rats display loss of immunity. I said that
laboratory studies are done using lab mammals.
Progress in use of rats for controlled HIV-1 studies:
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/full/75/17/8063
(By the way, my wife happens to DO rodent based laboratory studies and
is an expert on them. If you ever need some advice on the topic...)
Incidence of immunodeficiency virus in bovines, and their study in the
lab:
http://www.vetmed.iastate.edu/faculty_staff/Users/carplab/BIV/main.html
http://cdli.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/2/232
Incidence of Simian Immunodefiiency Virus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus
Transmission of SIV to humans by blood transfusion:
http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/research/biosafety/mmwr.html
Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, commonly (COMMONLY) known as FIV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_immunodeficiency_virus
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/fiv/
Notice, by the way, that I emphasised COMMONLY in reference to FIV.
Anyone (ANYONE) who has cats and takes them to the vet is made aware of
the existence of FIV and its effects upon cats on a regular basis. I
have two kittens in my garage at this exact moment who are awaiting to
be tested for FIV this Saturday.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Mark_Martin, I call your bluff. |
05 Oct 2005 01:02:21 PM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Notice, by the way, that I emphasised COMMONLY in reference to FIV.
Anyone (ANYONE) who has cats and takes them to the vet is made aware of
the existence of FIV and its effects upon cats on a regular basis. I
have two kittens in my garage at this exact moment who are awaiting to
be tested for FIV this Saturday.
Yep - same here with my kittens and its a pretty worrying thing. Poor
buggers have never taken drugs either.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats. |
12 Oct 2005 03:37:36 PM |
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Hi T_Wake and Mark_Martin, As to what causes immunodeficiency in cats,
and if drugs or senescence are required, as I claim...
Your anecdotal stories are not even science, much less hard science.
Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats, not FIV cats,
and I might well change my mind.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats. |
12 Oct 2005 03:46:47 PM |
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Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats, not FIV
cats, and I might well change my mind.
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Come on over, Jeff, any time. Got thousands of studies for you to
look at. Wear a gardenia.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats. |
12 Oct 2005 06:13:11 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_12_0tRJ@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake and Mark_Martin, As to what causes immunodeficiency in cats,
and if drugs or senescence are required, as I claim...
Your anecdotal stories are not even science, much less hard science.
Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats, not FIV cats,
and I might well change my mind.
By the way, at what point did you read our comments as "anecdotal stories"
we were trying to pass of as science? Are you denying FIV exists now or are
you saying all cats with FIV are drug users? Maybe they aren't "mammals" as
you only seem to accept rat studies as "mammal" studies of value.
This may interest you: (it published under creative commons licence)
http://www.virologyj.com/content/2/1/10
Failing that, read up from http://www.biomedcentral.com/currhivaidsrep/
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: What causes immunodeficiency in rats. |
12 Oct 2005 07:03:35 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, I told you:
Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats, not FIV cats,
and I might well change my mind.
And, without citing any of it's content, you showed this link:
http://www.virologyj.com/content/2/1/10
That didn't even begin to address the issue, sorry.
Also, a rat study would be much cheaper than a cat study, I'm thinking,
so I'd look for carfully controlled studies of
what causes immunodeficiency in rats.
I think you'll find that, under heavily controlled studies with the common rat,
drugs or senescence are the causes, not viruses.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: What causes immunodeficiency in rats. |
14 Oct 2005 01:08:09 PM |
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"Jeff_Relf" <Me@Privacy.NET> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2005_Oct_12_vFn0@Cotse.NET...
Hi T_Wake, I told you:
Show me carfully controlled studies of immunodeficient cats, not FIV
cats,
and I might well change my mind.
And, without citing any of it's content, you showed this link:
http://www.virologyj.com/content/2/1/10
That didn't even begin to address the issue, sorry.
See, this is the problem with your, ahem, unique approach to quoting
messages. I said if you had access to pubmed you could read some reports
that explain the FIV process. Then I sent you that link for your information
and education.
However, as always, you refuse to address what was actually said and
maintain your own stance by burying your head and assuming if you cant see
it, it cant be there.
Nice one.
Also, a rat study would be much cheaper than a cat study, I'm thinking,
so I'd look for carfully controlled studies of
what causes immunodeficiency in rats.
About 10 years ago I had a cat with FIV that had to be put down. I am
convinced the cat had never used drugs.
I think you'll find that, under heavily controlled studies with the common
rat,
drugs or senescence are the causes, not viruses.
You use the term "drugs" as if it has some special meaning based on somewhat
arbitrary laws controlling what substances can and cant be sold.
The other "cause" you allude to there is just as farcical. Everyone is
growing old. Every one is showing the effects of aging. After I read your
messages I have aged.
By the way, I know that in heavily controlled studies, FIV is not caused by
the effects of aging or Drug use in the cat.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: T_Wake continually fails to make the distinction between immunodeciency and FIV. |
14 Oct 2005 07:10:56 PM |
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Hi T_Wake, You told me:
I know that in heavily controlled studies,
FIV is not caused by the effects of aging or Drug use in the cat.
You continually fail to make the distinction between immunodeciency and FIV.
For example, immunodeciency... caused my stress, aging or drugs...
causes FIV... not the other way around.
To convince me otherwise, you'd have to actually read and understand
carefully controlled studies of the common rat and then
quote the relavent portions... not just post random links.
You're incapable of doing the above, I know all too well.
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