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Are you good at algebra? Then, you might enjoy seeing if you can
replicate NoEinstein's invalidation of the historic 1887 Michelson-
Morley interferometer experiment. Such was seeking to measure Earth's
velocity and direction in the cosmos. When the experiment was first
conducted, it was assumed that there was an energy form called ether--
even in the vacuum of space. If, by chance, light traveling in the
direction of motion of the Earth was slowed in passing through the
ether, then, the velocity of the Earth could be determined by how much
the light's velocity had slowed. And the direction of motion of the
Earth would correspond to the azimuth of the maximum slowing. But no
interference phase changes were seen at any azimuth. So, the
experiment was a failure... Many, especially A. A. Michelson, were
miffed to understand why the experiment didn't work.
To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong. The author of this
post, NoEinstein--who has a background in structural design--didn't
believe that velocity could compress matter or make any structure or
material contract. But he had to find an alternative explanation for
WHY the experiment failed. His intuition told him that light, as with
sound, speeds up when shined in the direction of motion of the Earth,
and slows down when shined in the direction opposite to the Earth's
motion. Would those two assumptions--that were never considered by
others--yield negative results for the M-M experiment, and without
having to resort to... "contracting matter" due to velocity?
NoEinstein's simple algebraic disproofs, that he is hereby inviting
others to replicate, will require an above average ability to
visualize the M-M apparatus moving at various angles relative to
Earth's velocity vector.
Once emitted from the light source, those rays will race around
their individual, tee shaped, courses to be reflected by two mirrors--
one normal, or perpendicular; the other the 45 degree beamsplitter,
that reflects light at a 90 degree angle--till each light ray finally
arrives at the target. A wave (crest or valley) reaches the target as
a SINGLE timed event from emission to target. The next wave (crest or
valley) completes another timed event, identical to the former, but
has different values depending upon the azimuth to which the apparatus
is oriented, relative to the Earth's velocity vector. Each light ray
is actually a continuous TRAIN of evenly spaced photons of a single
frequency. The TIME required for a single photon in either train to
reach a mirror, or to reach the target, is the same as for any other
photon in that train.
So, to simplify understanding, assume that just TWO side-by-side
photons are simultaneously emitted from the source, each traveling its
own unique, tee shaped course to the target. A schematic diagram of
the Michelson-Morley experiment can be found in most encyclopedias, or
on the WEB. For consistency, assume that the light source is in the -
Y position on the crossed light paths; the 50% silvered, 45 degree
beamsplitter is at the origin of X-X & Y-Y, and reflects LEFT, or
toward -X, at the first reflection; perpendicular Mirror 1 is at +Y,
and is equidistant from the center of the beamsplitter; perpendicular
Mirror 2 is at -X, and is equidistant from the center of the
beamsplitter; and finally, the target surface is perpendicular at +X,
and is equidistant from the center of the 45 degree beamsplitter.
The light rays (or just those two photons) get to travel one of
two light courses. Course 1 is: Source, through the half-silvered
beamsplitter to Mirror 1; then, from Mirror 1 back to the 45 degree
beamsplitter; then, from the 45 degree beamsplitter to the target
(located on the front of the telescope). Course 2 is: Source to the
45 degree beamsplitter; then, from such to Mirror 2; then, from Mirror
2 the light reflects back through the half-silvered beamsplitter to
arrive at the same target on the front of the telescope.
For the results of M-M to be negative, two photons emitted at the
same instant from the source must reflect around their own tee shaped
light courses and arrive at the target in the exact same amount of
TIME regardless of the orientation of the apparatus relative to
Earth's velocity vector. Important note: While the photons are in
transit, the apparatus is constantly moving. The point of original
"aim" of the light is to cross the centerline of the 45 degree
mirror. The purpose of algebra is to calculate WHERE the 45 degree
mirror will be when the photons reflect from such. Algebra is also
needed to calculate how far each photon must travel to reach a given
moving mirror and the moving target. How fast are those moving? Of
course it depends upon the orientation relative to the velocity vector
of the Earth. There are 360 degrees of possible apparatus orientation
to consider. But first consider just the four orthogonal
orientations. Since there are two light courses, that means you must
do eight algebraic calculations of the TIME to the target; and do
eight accrued algebraic calculations of the total distance the light
must travel. Done correctly, the TIME calculations will all be the
same, while the DISTANCE calculations will be longer or shorter than
the measured size of the apparatus.
Consider that each of the four legs of each course is length
unity, or 1. To simplify calculations, assume that the velocity of
light c, also, is unity or 1. And assume that Earth's velocity is .01
(of c), and that the apparatus will move a maximum of .01 in the time
it takes a photon to travel just one leg of the four legs to the
target (as measured when at rest). Re read the above while looking at
a schematic diagram of M-M. Most Important: Remember that the
apparatus is MOVING while the photons are in transit to a particular
mirror, or to the target. Check your algebra for each orientation
before considering the next orientation (90 degrees clockwise or
counterclockwise as you wish). Good luck to everyone!
Respectfully submitted, -- NoEinstein --
Other posts of mine may be accessed by clicking my "profile".
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
14 Jan 2008 01:22:33 PM |
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NoEinstein skrev:
To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong.
According to SR, the 'explanation' for the MMX null result is extremely
simple: the speed of light is isotropic, and nothing is contracting.
So the orientation of the interferometer doesn't affect the interference
pattern.
According to SR, matter doesn't contract.
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 10:35:31 PM |
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On Jan 14, 2:22 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
NoEinsteinskrev:
To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong.
According to SR, the 'explanation' for the MMX null result is extremely
simple: the speed of light is isotropic, and nothing is contracting.
So the orientation of the interferometer doesn't affect the interference
pattern.
According to SR, matter doesn't contract.
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Dear Paul: As a new visitor to my posts, thanks for replying. For
the past year I have been answering your same questions, though posed
by others. Reluctantly, I must tell you that I can't customize
replies "from square one" just for you. I simply don't have the
time. But I will reply to you if you will comment, later, after
reading some, or most of my earlier posts. Those should answer the
majority of your questions. Thanks again. -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "none doug\@none" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 11:16:44 PM |
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NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 14, 2:22 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
NoEinsteinskrev:
To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong.
According to SR, the 'explanation' for the MMX null result is extremely
simple: the speed of light is isotropic, and nothing is contracting.
So the orientation of the interferometer doesn't affect the interference
pattern.
According to SR, matter doesn't contract.
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Dear Paul: As a new visitor to my posts, thanks for replying. For
the past year I have been answering your same questions, though posed
by others. Reluctantly, I must tell you that I can't customize
replies "from square one" just for you. I simply don't have the
time. But I will reply to you if you will comment, later, after
reading some, or most of my earlier posts. Those should answer the
majority of your questions. Thanks again. -- NoEinstein --
Let's see, Noeinstein does not understand algebra. He cannot do
the average velocity calculation and tries to bluster his way
to get people to agree with him when he is completely wrong.
If he could do the math, he would see that he is wrong and that
the speed of light is isotropic. He cannot or will not do the
math. He prefers to try to bully people into believing him. He
is very frustrated that it is not working.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 07:18:04 AM |
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"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4js2n7k7t91@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 14, 2:22 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
| > <paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
| >> NoEinsteinskrev:
| >>
| >>> To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
| >>> to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
| >>> the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
| >>> in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
| >>> of relativity.
| >>> But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
| >>> Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong.
| >> According to SR, the 'explanation' for the MMX null result is extremely
| >> simple: the speed of light is isotropic, and nothing is contracting.
| >> So the orientation of the interferometer doesn't affect the
interference
| >> pattern.
| >>
| >> According to SR, matter doesn't contract.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Paul
| >>
| >> http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
| >
| > Dear Paul: As a new visitor to my posts, thanks for replying. For
| > the past year I have been answering your same questions, though posed
| > by others. Reluctantly, I must tell you that I can't customize
| > replies "from square one" just for you. I simply don't have the
| > time. But I will reply to you if you will comment, later, after
| > reading some, or most of my earlier posts. Those should answer the
| > majority of your questions. Thanks again. -- NoEinstein --
| Let's see, Noeinstein does not understand algebra. He cannot do
| the average velocity calculation and tries to bluster his way
| to get people to agree with him when he is completely wrong.
| If he could do the math, he would see that he is wrong and that
| the speed of light is isotropic. He cannot or will not do the
| math. He prefers to try to bully people into believing him. He
| is very frustrated that it is not working.
Let's see, doug\"@(none does not understand algebra.
The fuckhead cannot do any velocity calculation and tries to bluster its way
to get people to agree with it when the fuckhead is completely wrong.
If the fuckhead could do the math, the fuckhead would see that it is wrong
and that
the speed of light is source dependent. The fuckhead cannot or will not do
the
math. The fuckhead prefers to try to bully people into believing him. The
fuckhead
is very frustrated that it is not working.
Here is the math the fuckhead will not do:
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.
"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."
In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he blamed on Lorentz. That says you can't
use c+v.
Troll kooks such as
Uncle Schwartzschit,
Blind Poe,
Moron McCullough,
Humpty Roberts,
Phuckwit Duck Draper,
Sad and Lonely sal Lawrence,
Tusseladd ASSistant professor Andersen,
Shrine to Spirits Nieminen,
Ghost ewill,
Goosey Gisse,
Wanker Olson,
Minor Crank Tom & Jeery,
Fecal Jekyll,
Dork Van de merde et. al.
fail to realise is the existence of isomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
between Sagnac's real experiment and Einstein's hallucination experiment,
shown here:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/TwoSpeedRack.gif
Einstein sends light along the rack and back again, the rack
moving at velocity v in his pipe dream.
Sagnac sends the light around the gear wheel for real.
If you analyse one you should get the same result as the other, but
you cannot use SR to derive SR, that is petitio principii, circularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
c+v is essential to the derivation of the cuckoo malformations, the
part where Einstein screws up is:
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein
What he is claiming is that his "definition" is true for all frames of
reference. The absurdity that the velocity of light is the same
in all frames of reference is a consequence of that claim.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif
Here are some mathematical proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
Not included are
Proof by "because I say so",
Proof by "everybody knows",
Proof by "it is written",
the three most popular forms used in sci.physics.relativity.
You'll often see this pathetic mob muttering "Lorentz Transformations"
but they haven't a clue how they are derived and faithfully follow their
indoctrination like lemmings.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Prediction:
The troll kooks will ignore it, they are too stooopid to understand a
proof.
RULES OF REASONING IN PHILOSOPHY.
RULE I.
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true
and sufficient to explain their appearances.
To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity,
and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes.
-- Sir Isaac Newton
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 06:29:59 PM |
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On Jan 16, 8:18 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_d> wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4js2n7k7t91@corp.supernews.com...| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 14, 2:22 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"| > <paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
| >> NoEinsteinskrev:
| >>
| >>> To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
| >>> to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
| >>> the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
| >>> in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
| >>> of relativity.
| >>> But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
| >>> Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong.
| >> According to SR, the 'explanation' for the MMX null result is extremely
| >> simple: the speed of light is isotropic, and nothing is contracting.
| >> So the orientation of the interferometer doesn't affect the
interference
| >> pattern.
| >>
| >> According to SR, matter doesn't contract.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Paul
| >>
| >>http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
| >
| > Dear Paul: As a new visitor to my posts, thanks for replying. For
| > the past year I have been answering your same questions, though posed
| > by others. Reluctantly, I must tell you that I can't customize
| > replies "from square one" just for you. I simply don't have the
| > time. But I will reply to you if you will comment, later, after
| > reading some, or most of my earlier posts. Those should answer the
| > majority of your questions. Thanks again. -- NoEinstein --
| Let's see, Noeinstein does not understand algebra. He cannot do
| the average velocity calculation and tries to bluster his way
| to get people to agree with him when he is completely wrong.
| If he could do the math, he would see that he is wrong and that
| the speed of light is isotropic. He cannot or will not do the
| math. He prefers to try to bully people into believing him. He
| is very frustrated that it is not working.
Let's see, doug\"@(none does not understand algebra.
The fuckhead cannot do any velocity calculation and tries to bluster its way
to get people to agree with it when the fuckhead is completely wrong.
If the fuckhead could do the math, the fuckhead would see that it is wrong
and that
the speed of light is source dependent. The fuckhead cannot or will not do
the
math. The fuckhead prefers to try to bully people into believing him. The
fuckhead
is very frustrated that it is not working.
Here is the math the fuckhead will not do:
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.
"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."
In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he blamed on Lorentz. That says you can't
use c+v.
Troll kooks such as
Uncle Schwartzschit,
Blind Poe,
Moron McCullough,
Humpty Roberts,
Phuckwit Duck Draper,
Sad and Lonely sal Lawrence,
Tusseladd ASSistant professor Andersen,
Shrine to Spirits Nieminen,
Ghost ewill,
Goosey Gisse,
Wanker Olson,
Minor Crank Tom & Jeery,
Fecal Jekyll,
Dork Van de merde et. al.
fail to realise is the existence of isomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
between Sagnac's real experiment and Einstein's hallucination experiment,
shown here:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/TwoSpeedRack.gif
Einstein sends light along the rack and back again, the rack
moving at velocity v in his pipe dream.
Sagnac sends the light around the gear wheel for real.
If you analyse one you should get the same result as the other, but
you cannot use SR to derive SR, that is petitio principii, circularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
c+v is essential to the derivation of the cuckoo malformations, the
part where Einstein screws up is:
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein
What he is claiming is that his "definition" is true for all frames of
reference. The absurdity that the velocity of light is the same
in all frames of reference is a consequence of that claim.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif
Here are some mathematical proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
Not included are
Proof by "because I say so",
Proof by "everybody knows",
Proof by "it is written",
the three most popular forms used in sci.physics.relativity.
You'll often see this pathetic mob muttering "Lorentz Transformations"
but they haven't a clue how they are derived and faithfully follow their
indoctrination like lemmings.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Prediction:
The troll kooks will ignore it, they are too stooopid to understand a
proof.
RULES OF REASONING IN PHILOSOPHY.
RULE I.
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true
and sufficient to explain their appearances.
To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity,
and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes.
-- Sir Isaac Newton
Androcles: Isn't it amazing that my present post is inviting folks to
do simple algebra to show that the TIME required for light to circuit
the two courses in M-M is ALWAYS the same? Yet, None accuses me of
not doing the math. In Einstein's day, there was "the excuse" that
calculations to many significant figures were cumbersome. But today,
we have calculators that are so easy to use that writing "simplified"
equations isn't necessary. Write any correct equation and the
calculators can figure things out! But in over a week, not one person
has replied that they have confirmed that the TIME for light to
circuit M-M doesn't change. And the reason for that: M-M has no
CONTROL.
By testing my assumption that light velocity can vary with the
velocity of the Earth-mounted source, one proves that 'c' isn't the
maximum velocity! Einstein himself, who never did math on most of his
"theories", said that proving that 'c' isn't maximum disproves his
theories. So, why is everyone so afraid to do the high school
algebra? Do the algebra; and YOU could have disproved Einstein, too!
The present post would make a wonderful "for extra credit"
exercise for high school algebra students. Those aren't too proud to
do the math! -- NoEinstein --
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
09 Jan 2008 01:15:20 AM |
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NoEinstein wrote:
Are you good at algebra? Then, you might enjoy seeing if you can
replicate NoEinstein's invalidation of the historic 1887 Michelson-
Morley interferometer experiment. Such was seeking to measure Earth's
velocity and direction in the cosmos. When the experiment was first
conducted, it was assumed that there was an energy form called ether--
even in the vacuum of space. If, by chance, light traveling in the
direction of motion of the Earth was slowed in passing through the
ether, then, the velocity of the Earth could be determined by how much
the light's velocity had slowed. And the direction of motion of the
Earth would correspond to the azimuth of the maximum slowing. But no
interference phase changes were seen at any azimuth. So, the
experiment was a failure... Many, especially A. A. Michelson, were
miffed to understand why the experiment didn't work.
To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong. The author of this
post, NoEinstein--who has a background in structural design--didn't
believe that velocity could compress matter or make any structure or
material contract. But he had to find an alternative explanation for
WHY the experiment failed. His intuition told him that light, as with
sound, speeds up when shined in the direction of motion of the Earth,
and slows down when shined in the direction opposite to the Earth's
motion. Would those two assumptions--that were never considered by
others--yield negative results for the M-M experiment, and without
having to resort to... "contracting matter" due to velocity?
Your assumptions which you claim no one else ever considered were
exactly the assumptions that you claim to have invented. You should
be careful or Androcles and Mr. Henri Wilson will be mad at you
for "stealing" their ideas which they have been trying to sell on
this group for years. Maybe Ken Seto also but no one is sure what
it is he is really saying.
NoEinstein's simple algebraic disproofs, that he is hereby inviting
others to replicate, will require an above average ability to
visualize the M-M apparatus moving at various angles relative to
Earth's velocity vector.
Once emitted from the light source, those rays will race around
their individual, tee shaped, courses to be reflected by two mirrors--
one normal, or perpendicular; the other the 45 degree beamsplitter,
that reflects light at a 90 degree angle--till each light ray finally
arrives at the target. A wave (crest or valley) reaches the target as
a SINGLE timed event from emission to target. The next wave (crest or
valley) completes another timed event, identical to the former, but
has different values depending upon the azimuth to which the apparatus
is oriented, relative to the Earth's velocity vector. Each light ray
is actually a continuous TRAIN of evenly spaced photons of a single
frequency. The TIME required for a single photon in either train to
reach a mirror, or to reach the target, is the same as for any other
photon in that train.
So, to simplify understanding, assume that just TWO side-by-side
photons are simultaneously emitted from the source, each traveling its
own unique, tee shaped course to the target. A schematic diagram of
the Michelson-Morley experiment can be found in most encyclopedias, or
on the WEB. For consistency, assume that the light source is in the -
Y position on the crossed light paths; the 50% silvered, 45 degree
beamsplitter is at the origin of X-X & Y-Y, and reflects LEFT, or
toward -X, at the first reflection; perpendicular Mirror 1 is at +Y,
and is equidistant from the center of the beamsplitter; perpendicular
Mirror 2 is at -X, and is equidistant from the center of the
beamsplitter; and finally, the target surface is perpendicular at +X,
and is equidistant from the center of the 45 degree beamsplitter.
The light rays (or just those two photons) get to travel one of
two light courses. Course 1 is: Source, through the half-silvered
beamsplitter to Mirror 1; then, from Mirror 1 back to the 45 degree
beamsplitter; then, from the 45 degree beamsplitter to the target
(located on the front of the telescope). Course 2 is: Source to the
45 degree beamsplitter; then, from such to Mirror 2; then, from Mirror
2 the light reflects back through the half-silvered beamsplitter to
arrive at the same target on the front of the telescope.
For the results of M-M to be negative, two photons emitted at the
same instant from the source must reflect around their own tee shaped
light courses and arrive at the target in the exact same amount of
TIME regardless of the orientation of the apparatus relative to
Earth's velocity vector. Important note: While the photons are in
transit, the apparatus is constantly moving. The point of original
"aim" of the light is to cross the centerline of the 45 degree
mirror. The purpose of algebra is to calculate WHERE the 45 degree
mirror will be when the photons reflect from such. Algebra is also
needed to calculate how far each photon must travel to reach a given
moving mirror and the moving target. How fast are those moving? Of
course it depends upon the orientation relative to the velocity vector
of the Earth. There are 360 degrees of possible apparatus orientation
to consider. But first consider just the four orthogonal
orientations. Since there are two light courses, that means you must
do eight algebraic calculations of the TIME to the target; and do
eight accrued algebraic calculations of the total distance the light
must travel. Done correctly, the TIME calculations will all be the
same, while the DISTANCE calculations will be longer or shorter than
the measured size of the apparatus.
Consider that each of the four legs of each course is length
unity, or 1. To simplify calculations, assume that the velocity of
light c, also, is unity or 1. And assume that Earth's velocity is .01
(of c), and that the apparatus will move a maximum of .01 in the time
it takes a photon to travel just one leg of the four legs to the
target (as measured when at rest). Re read the above while looking at
a schematic diagram of M-M. Most Important: Remember that the
apparatus is MOVING while the photons are in transit to a particular
mirror, or to the target. Check your algebra for each orientation
before considering the next orientation (90 degrees clockwise or
counterclockwise as you wish). Good luck to everyone!
Now we get to the part where we expect you to do the simple calculations
which "proves" your case. You did not do them but they prove you
are wrong or perhaps you cannot do them.
Respectfully submitted, -- NoEinstein --
Other posts of mine may be accessed by clicking my "profile".
__________
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| User: "Androcles" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
09 Jan 2008 04:38:38 AM |
|
|
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > Are you good at algebra? Then, you might enjoy seeing if you can
| > replicate NoEinstein's invalidation of the historic 1887 Michelson-
| > Morley interferometer experiment. Such was seeking to measure Earth's
| > velocity and direction in the cosmos. When the experiment was first
| > conducted, it was assumed that there was an energy form called ether--
| > even in the vacuum of space. If, by chance, light traveling in the
| > direction of motion of the Earth was slowed in passing through the
| > ether, then, the velocity of the Earth could be determined by how much
| > the light's velocity had slowed. And the direction of motion of the
| > Earth would correspond to the azimuth of the maximum slowing. But no
| > interference phase changes were seen at any azimuth. So, the
| > experiment was a failure... Many, especially A. A. Michelson, were
| > miffed to understand why the experiment didn't work.
| > To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
It was a success for science, though, and Michelson's own belief
in aether was shaken. The greatness of Michelson lies in him biting
the bullet and publishing the result that proved him wrong.
Later, in 1913, Sagnac repeated Michelson's experiment but
got a positive result by constant rotation of the apparatus,
proving that both Einstein and the aetherialists were wrong
and Ritz was right.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
Einstein failed mathematics anyway, he was hopeless.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.
"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."
In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he blamed on Lorentz. That says you can't
use c+v.
Troll kooks such as
Uncle Schwartzschit,
Blind Poe,
Moron McCullough,
Humpty Roberts,
Phuckwit Duck Draper,
Sad and Lonely sal Lawrence,
Tusseladd ASSistant professor Andersen,
Shrine to Spirits Nieminen,
Ghost ewill,
Goosey Gisse,
Wanker Olson,
Minor Crank Tom & Jeery,
Fecal Jekyll,
Dork Van de merde et. al.
fail to realise is the existence of isomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
between Sagnac's real experiment and Einstein's hallucination experiment,
shown here:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/TwoSpeedRack.gif
Einstein sends light along the rack and back again, the rack
moving at velocity v in his pipe dream.
Sagnac sends the light around the gear wheel for real.
If you analyse one you should get the same result as the other, but
you cannot use SR to derive SR, that is petitio principii, circularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
c+v is essential to the derivation of the cuckoo malformations, the
part where Einstein screws up is:
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein
What he is claiming is that his "definition" is true for all frames of
reference. The absurdity that the velocity of light is the same
in all frames of reference is a consequence of that claim.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif
Here are some mathematical proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
Not included are
Proof by "because I say so",
Proof by "everybody knows",
Proof by "it is written",
the three most popular forms used in sci.physics.relativity.
You'll often see this pathetic mob muttering "Lorentz Transformations"
but they haven't a clue how they are derived and faithfully follow their
indoctrination like lemmings.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Prediction:
The troll kooks will ignore it, they are too stooopid to understand a
proof.
RULES OF REASONING IN PHILOSOPHY.
RULE I.
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true
and sufficient to explain their appearances.
To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity,
and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes.
-- Sir Isaac Newton
| Such is because
| > the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
| > in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
| > of relativity.
| > But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
| > Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong. The author of this
| > post, NoEinstein--who has a background in structural design--didn't
| > believe that velocity could compress matter or make any structure or
| > material contract. But he had to find an alternative explanation for
| > WHY the experiment failed. His intuition told him that light, as with
| > sound, speeds up when shined in the direction of motion of the Earth,
| > and slows down when shined in the direction opposite to the Earth's
| > motion. Would those two assumptions--that were never considered by
| > others--yield negative results for the M-M experiment, and without
| > having to resort to... "contracting matter" due to velocity?
| Your assumptions which you claim no one else ever considered were
| exactly the assumptions that you claim to have invented. You should
| be careful or Androcles and Mr. Henri Wilson will be mad at you
| for "stealing" their ideas which they have been trying to sell on
| this group for years. Maybe Ken Seto also but no one is sure what
| it is he is really saying.
|
| > NoEinstein's simple algebraic disproofs, that he is hereby inviting
| > others to replicate, will require an above average ability to
| > visualize the M-M apparatus moving at various angles relative to
| > Earth's velocity vector.
| > Once emitted from the light source, those rays will race around
| > their individual, tee shaped, courses to be reflected by two mirrors--
| > one normal, or perpendicular; the other the 45 degree beamsplitter,
| > that reflects light at a 90 degree angle--till each light ray finally
| > arrives at the target. A wave (crest or valley) reaches the target as
| > a SINGLE timed event from emission to target. The next wave (crest or
| > valley) completes another timed event, identical to the former, but
| > has different values depending upon the azimuth to which the apparatus
| > is oriented, relative to the Earth's velocity vector. Each light ray
| > is actually a continuous TRAIN of evenly spaced photons of a single
| > frequency. The TIME required for a single photon in either train to
| > reach a mirror, or to reach the target, is the same as for any other
| > photon in that train.
| > So, to simplify understanding, assume that just TWO side-by-side
| > photons are simultaneously emitted from the source, each traveling its
| > own unique, tee shaped course to the target. A schematic diagram of
| > the Michelson-Morley experiment can be found in most encyclopedias, or
| > on the WEB. For consistency, assume that the light source is in the -
| > Y position on the crossed light paths; the 50% silvered, 45 degree
| > beamsplitter is at the origin of X-X & Y-Y, and reflects LEFT, or
| > toward -X, at the first reflection; perpendicular Mirror 1 is at +Y,
| > and is equidistant from the center of the beamsplitter; perpendicular
| > Mirror 2 is at -X, and is equidistant from the center of the
| > beamsplitter; and finally, the target surface is perpendicular at +X,
| > and is equidistant from the center of the 45 degree beamsplitter.
| > The light rays (or just those two photons) get to travel one of
| > two light courses. Course 1 is: Source, through the half-silvered
| > beamsplitter to Mirror 1; then, from Mirror 1 back to the 45 degree
| > beamsplitter; then, from the 45 degree beamsplitter to the target
| > (located on the front of the telescope). Course 2 is: Source to the
| > 45 degree beamsplitter; then, from such to Mirror 2; then, from Mirror
| > 2 the light reflects back through the half-silvered beamsplitter to
| > arrive at the same target on the front of the telescope.
| > For the results of M-M to be negative, two photons emitted at the
| > same instant from the source must reflect around their own tee shaped
| > light courses and arrive at the target in the exact same amount of
| > TIME regardless of the orientation of the apparatus relative to
| > Earth's velocity vector. Important note: While the photons are in
| > transit, the apparatus is constantly moving. The point of original
| > "aim" of the light is to cross the centerline of the 45 degree
| > mirror. The purpose of algebra is to calculate WHERE the 45 degree
| > mirror will be when the photons reflect from such. Algebra is also
| > needed to calculate how far each photon must travel to reach a given
| > moving mirror and the moving target. How fast are those moving? Of
| > course it depends upon the orientation relative to the velocity vector
| > of the Earth. There are 360 degrees of possible apparatus orientation
| > to consider. But first consider just the four orthogonal
| > orientations. Since there are two light courses, that means you must
| > do eight algebraic calculations of the TIME to the target; and do
| > eight accrued algebraic calculations of the total distance the light
| > must travel. Done correctly, the TIME calculations will all be the
| > same, while the DISTANCE calculations will be longer or shorter than
| > the measured size of the apparatus.
| > Consider that each of the four legs of each course is length
| > unity, or 1. To simplify calculations, assume that the velocity of
| > light c, also, is unity or 1. And assume that Earth's velocity is .01
| > (of c), and that the apparatus will move a maximum of .01 in the time
| > it takes a photon to travel just one leg of the four legs to the
| > target (as measured when at rest). Re read the above while looking at
| > a schematic diagram of M-M. Most Important: Remember that the
| > apparatus is MOVING while the photons are in transit to a particular
| > mirror, or to the target. Check your algebra for each orientation
| > before considering the next orientation (90 degrees clockwise or
| > counterclockwise as you wish). Good luck to everyone!
| Now we get to the part where we expect you to do the simple calculations
| which "proves" your case. You did not do them but they prove you
| are wrong or perhaps you cannot do them.
|
| >
| > Respectfully submitted, -- NoEinstein --
| >
| > Other posts of mine may be accessed by clicking my "profile".
| > __________
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|
|
|
| User: "Paul B. Andersen" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
14 Jan 2008 01:38:01 PM |
|
|
Androcles wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
the speed of the ether.
http://www.oisc.net/Speed_of_Light.htm
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
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|
| User: "Androcles" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
14 Jan 2008 02:24:41 PM |
|
|
"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@guesswhatuia.no> wrote in message
news:478BBA19.9020704@guesswhatuia.no...
| Androcles wrote:
| > "none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
| > news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
| > | NoEinstein wrote:
| > | > To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by
many
| > | > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| >
| >
| > | It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| > | expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
| >
| > It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
| > the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
| > aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
|
| Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
| the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
| the speed of the ether.
And again up to his death. The speed of aether is nonsensical, it is the
speed
of Earth through the aether that he thought he knew, being approximately
2 piR per year where R is one AU. The displacement he sought was v/c
(about 1/10,000).
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 10:37:19 PM |
|
|
On Jan 14, 2:38 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
|NoEinsteinwrote:
| > To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
the speed of the ether.
http://www.oisc.net/Speed_of_Light.htm
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Dear Paul: Maxwell proposed to Michelson that Michelson use his new
interferometer to measure the drag on light caused by the suspected
ether. But Maxwell, and all supposed scientists since, was most
na=EFve. To wit: If 'ether' is capable of slowing the velocity of light
over the dimensions of the M-M experiment, then, ether would slow the
light from the stars, and from the Sun such that no light could reach
the Earth. No light, no life on Earth... Neither Michelson, Morley,
Lorentz, FitzGerald, Einstein, nor any of his army of Einsteiniacs
were, or are, sufficient mentally endowed to realize that "ether drag"
is a non issue. Ether NURTURES light, and only slows short term light
traveling at a velocity greater than 'c'. Long term light traveling
greater than 'c' will eventually tunnel through the ether. And those
tunnels will allow the passage of super fast light over vast distances
without interruption. Some of what detectors interpret as gamma rays
may be capsules of information compressed for super fast transport
across the galaxy. The "reader" for that information would likely
need to travel at a very high velocity to uncompress the data. --
NoEinstein --
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|
|
| User: "none doug\@none" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 11:19:49 PM |
|
|
NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 14, 2:38 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
|NoEinsteinwrote:
| > To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
the speed of the ether.
http://www.oisc.net/Speed_of_Light.htm
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Dear Paul: Maxwell proposed to Michelson that Michelson use his new
interferometer to measure the drag on light caused by the suspected
ether. But Maxwell, and all supposed scientists since, was most
naïve. To wit: If 'ether' is capable of slowing the velocity of light
over the dimensions of the M-M experiment, then, ether would slow the
light from the stars, and from the Sun such that no light could reach
the Earth. No light, no life on Earth... Neither Michelson, Morley,
Lorentz, FitzGerald, Einstein, nor any of his army of Einsteiniacs
were, or are, sufficient mentally endowed to realize that "ether drag"
is a non issue. Ether NURTURES light, and only slows short term light
traveling at a velocity greater than 'c'. Long term light traveling
greater than 'c' will eventually tunnel through the ether. And those
tunnels will allow the passage of super fast light over vast distances
without interruption. Some of what detectors interpret as gamma rays
may be capsules of information compressed for super fast transport
across the galaxy. The "reader" for that information would likely
need to travel at a very high velocity to uncompress the data. --
NoEinstein --
Now that he is realizing his math is wrong, he is trying to invoke magic
to explain his "theory". In his mind, naive means has actually studied
physics and experiments and realizes that what noeinstein is saying is
not even good enough to be wrong.
.
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|
| User: "Androcles" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 07:18:04 AM |
|
|
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4pkrvekem04@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 14, 2:38 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
| > <paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
| >> Androcles wrote:
| >>> "none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
| >>> news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
| >>> |NoEinsteinwrote:
| >>> | > To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by
many
| >>> | > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| >>> | It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| >>> | expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
| >>> It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
| >>> the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
| >>> aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
| >> Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
| >> the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
| >> the speed of the ether.
| >>
| >> http://www.oisc.net/Speed_of_Light.htm
| >>
| >> --
| >> Paul
| >>
| >> http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
| >
| > Dear Paul: Maxwell proposed to Michelson that Michelson use his new
| > interferometer to measure the drag on light caused by the suspected
| > ether. But Maxwell, and all supposed scientists since, was most
| > naïve. To wit: If 'ether' is capable of slowing the velocity of light
| > over the dimensions of the M-M experiment, then, ether would slow the
| > light from the stars, and from the Sun such that no light could reach
| > the Earth. No light, no life on Earth... Neither Michelson, Morley,
| > Lorentz, FitzGerald, Einstein, nor any of his army of Einsteiniacs
| > were, or are, sufficient mentally endowed to realize that "ether drag"
| > is a non issue. Ether NURTURES light, and only slows short term light
| > traveling at a velocity greater than 'c'. Long term light traveling
| > greater than 'c' will eventually tunnel through the ether. And those
| > tunnels will allow the passage of super fast light over vast distances
| > without interruption. Some of what detectors interpret as gamma rays
| > may be capsules of information compressed for super fast transport
| > across the galaxy. The "reader" for that information would likely
| > need to travel at a very high velocity to uncompress the data. --
| > NoEinstein --
| Now that he is realizing his math is wrong, he is trying to invoke magic
| to explain his "theory". In his mind, naive means has actually studied
| physics and experiments and realizes that what noeinstein is saying is
| not even good enough to be wrong.
One fuckhead believes in aether, the other fuckhead can't do the math.
Neither fuckhead has any chance of understanding physics.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "NoEinstein" |
|
| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 05:59:41 PM |
|
|
On Jan 16, 12:19=A0am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 14, 2:38 pm, "Paul B. Andersen"
<paul.b.ander...@guesswhatuia.no> wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13o8t2b50gvdi89@corp.supernews.com...
|NoEinsteinwrote:
| > =A0 =A0 =A0To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered =
by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. =A0It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
Michelson measured the speed of light in 1879, but that is not
the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was designed to measure
the speed of the ether.
http://www.oisc.net/Speed_of_Light.htm
--
Paul
http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
Dear Paul: Maxwell proposed to Michelson that Michelson use his new
interferometer to measure the drag on light caused by the suspected
ether. =A0But Maxwell, and all supposed scientists since, was most
na=EFve. =A0To wit: If 'ether' is capable of slowing the velocity of lig=
ht
over the dimensions of the M-M experiment, then, ether would slow the
light from the stars, and from the Sun such that no light could reach
the Earth. =A0No light, no life on Earth... =A0Neither Michelson, Morley=
,
Lorentz, FitzGerald, Einstein, nor any of his army of Einsteiniacs
were, or are, sufficient mentally endowed to realize that "ether drag"
is a non issue. =A0Ether NURTURES light, and only slows short term light=
traveling at a velocity greater than 'c'. =A0Long term light traveling
greater than 'c' will eventually tunnel through the ether. =A0And those
tunnels will allow the passage of super fast light over vast distances
without interruption. =A0Some of what detectors interpret as gamma rays
may be capsules of information compressed for super fast transport
across the galaxy. =A0The "reader" for that information would likely
need to travel at a very high velocity to uncompress the data. --
NoEinstein --
Now that he is realizing his math is wrong, he is trying to invoke magic
to explain his "theory". =A0In his mind, naive means has actually studied
physics and experiments and realizes that what noeinstein is saying is
not even good enough to be wrong.- Hide quoted text -
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Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892...
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 10:34:32 PM |
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|
On Jan 9, 5:38 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote:
Androcles: Though we have some differences regarding "the causes" we
both agree that Einstein was a con artist, and Einsteiniacs are his
shills. Thanks for helping to defend the right! -- NoEinstein --
| > Are you good at algebra? Then, you might enjoy seeing if you can
| >replicateNoEinstein'sinvalidationof the historic 1887 Michelson-
| > Morley interferometer experiment. Such was seeking to measure Earth's
| > velocity and direction in the cosmos. When the experiment was first
| > conducted, it was assumed that there was an energy form called ether--
| > even in the vacuum of space. If, by chance, light traveling in the
| > direction of motion of the Earth was slowed in passing through the
| > ether, then, the velocity of the Earth could be determined by how much
| > the light's velocity had slowed. And the direction of motion of the
| > Earth would correspond to the azimuth of the maximum slowing. But no
| > interference phase changes were seen at any azimuth. So, the
| > experiment was a failure... Many, especially A. A. Michelson, were
| > miffed to understand why the experiment didn't work.
| > To have been a failure, theM-Mexperiment is considered by many
| > to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time.
| It was not a failure. It did not give the results that they were
| expecting but that means their assumptions were wrong.
It certainly was a failure, Michelson was attempting to measure
the speed of light, knowing the speed of Earth through the supposed
aether as he has been commissioned to do by the US Navy.
It was a success for science, though, and Michelson's own belief
in aether was shaken. The greatness of Michelson lies in him biting
the bullet and publishing the result that proved him wrong.
Later, in 1913, Sagnac repeated Michelson's experiment but
got a positive result by constant rotation of the apparatus,
proving that both Einstein and the aetherialists were wrong
and Ritz was right.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/Sagnac.htm
Einstein failed mathematics anyway, he was hopeless.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.
"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."
In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he blamed on Lorentz. That says you can't
use c+v.
Troll kooks such as
Uncle Schwartzschit,
Blind Poe,
Moron McCullough,
Humpty Roberts,
Phuckwit Duck Draper,
Sad and Lonely sal Lawrence,
Tusseladd ASSistant professor Andersen,
Shrine to Spirits Nieminen,
Ghost ewill,
Goosey Gisse,
Wanker Olson,
Minor Crank Tom & Jeery,
Fecal Jekyll,
Dork Van de merde et. al.
fail to realise is the existence of isomorphism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism
between Sagnac's real experiment and Einstein's hallucination experiment,
shown here:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/TwoSpeedRack.gif
Einstein sends light along the rack and back again, the rack
moving at velocity v in his pipe dream.
Sagnac sends the light around the gear wheel for real.
If you analyse one you should get the same result as the other, but
you cannot use SR to derive SR, that is petitio principii, circularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
c+v is essential to the derivation of the cuckoo malformations, the
part where Einstein screws up is:
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein
What he is claiming is that his "definition" is true for all frames of
reference. The absurdity that the velocity of light is the same
in all frames of reference is a consequence of that claim.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/tAB=tBA.gif
Here are some mathematical proofs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
Not included are
Proof by "because I say so",
Proof by "everybody knows",
Proof by "it is written",
the three most popular forms used in sci.physics.relativity.
You'll often see this pathetic mob muttering "Lorentz Transformations"
but they haven't a clue how they are derived and faithfully follow their
indoctrination like lemmings.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Prediction:
The troll kooks will ignore it, they are too stooopid to understand a
proof.
RULES OF REASONING IN PHILOSOPHY.
RULE I.
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true
and sufficient to explain their appearances.
To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity,
and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes.
-- Sir Isaac Newton
| Such is because
| > the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
| > in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
| > of relativity.
| > But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
| > Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong. The author of this
| > post,NoEinstein--who has a background in structural design--didn't
| > believe that velocity could compress matter or make any structure or
| > material contract. But he had to find an alternative explanation for
| > WHY the experiment failed. His intuition told him that light, as with
| > sound, speeds up when shined in the direction of motion of the Earth,
| > and slows down when shined in the direction opposite to the Earth's
| > motion. Would those two assumptions--that were never considered by
| > others--yield negative results for theM-Mexperiment, and without
| > having to resort to... "contracting matter" due to velocity?
| Your assumptions which you claim no one else ever considered were
| exactly the assumptions that you claim to have invented. You should
| be careful or Androcles and Mr. Henri Wilson will be mad at you
| for "stealing" their ideas which they have been trying to sell on
| this group for years. Maybe Ken Seto also but no one is sure what
| it is he is really saying.
|
| >NoEinstein'ssimple algebraic disproofs, that he is hereby inviting
| > others toreplicate, will require an above average ability to
| > visualize theM-Mapparatus moving at various angles relative to
| > Earth's velocity vector.
| > Once emitted from the light source, those rays will race around
| > their individual, tee shaped, courses to be reflected by two mirrors--
| > one normal, or perpendicular; the other the 45 degree beamsplitter,
| > that reflects light at a 90 degree angle--till each light ray finally
| > arrives at the target. A wave (crest or valley) reaches the target as
| > a SINGLE timed event from emission to target. The next wave (crest or
| > valley) completes another timed event, identical to the former, but
| > has different values depending upon the azimuth to which the apparatus
| > is oriented, relative to the Earth's velocity vector. Each light ray
| > is actually a continuous TRAIN of evenly spaced photons of a single
| > frequency. The TIME required for a single photon in either train to
| > reach a mirror, or to reach the target, is the same as for any other
| > photon in that train.
| > So, to simplify understanding, assume that just TWO side-by-side
| > photons are simultaneously emitted from the source, each traveling its
| > own unique, tee shaped course to the target. A schematic diagram of
| > the Michelson-Morley experiment can be found in most encyclopedias, or
| > on the WEB. For consistency, assume that the light source is in the -
| > Y position on the crossed light paths; the 50% silvered, 45 degree
| > beamsplitter is at the origin of X-X & Y-Y, and reflects LEFT, or
| > toward -X, at the first reflection; perpendicular Mirror 1 is at +Y,
| > and is equidistant from the center of the beamsplitter; perpendicular
| > Mirror 2 is at -X, and is equidistant from the center of the
| > beamsplitter; and finally, the target surface is perpendicular at +X,
| > and is equidistant from the center of the 45 degree beamsplitter.
| > The light rays (or just those two photons) get to travel one of
| > two light courses. Course 1 is: Source, through the half-silvered
| > beamsplitter to Mirror 1; then, from Mirror 1 back to the 45 degree
| > beamsplitter; then, from the 45 degree beamsplitter to the target
| > (located on the front of the telescope). Course 2 is: Source to the
| > 45 degree beamsplitter; then, from such to Mirror 2; then, from Mirror
| > 2 the light reflects back through the half-silvered beamsplitter to
| > arrive at the same target on the front of the telescope.
| > For the results ofM-Mto be negative, two photons emitted at the
| > same instant from the source must reflect around their own tee shaped
| > light courses and arrive at the target in the exact same amount of
| > TIME regardless of the orientation of the apparatus relative to
| > Earth's velocity vector. Important note: While the photons are in
| > transit, the apparatus is constantly moving. The point of original
| > "aim" of the light is to cross the centerline of the 45 degree
| > mirror. The purpose of algebra is to calculate WHERE the 45 degree
| > mirror will be when the photons reflect from such. Algebra is also
| > needed to ...
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NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 9, 5:38 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote:
Androcles: Though we have some differences regarding "the causes" we
both agree that Einstein was a con artist, and Einsteiniacs are his
shills. Thanks for helping to defend the right! -- NoEinstein --
When you agree with Androcles, we know you have not studied physics.
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 07:08:03 AM |
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"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4crl6oiq618@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 9, 5:38 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote:
| >
| > Androcles: Though we have some differences regarding "the causes" we
| > both agree that Einstein was a con artist, and Einsteiniacs are his
| > shills. Thanks for helping to defend the right! -- NoEinstein --
| >
| When you agree with Androcles, we know you have not studied physics.
The truth must be painful for you.
Your assumptions are wrong and your conclusions are wrong. Reality
is being very hard on you. Study and learn why you are wrong. Math
is not that hard. You have made a freshman physics mistake and
everyone is trying to help you by correcting it. Trying to appeal
to some authority is not going to make reality change to agree
with your desires, *****.
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 05:58:25 PM |
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On Jan 16, 12:13=A0am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 9, 5:38 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote:
Androcles: Though we have some differences regarding "the causes" we
both agree that Einstein was a con artist, and Einsteiniacs are his
shills. =A0Thanks for helping to defend the right! -- NoEinstein --
When you agree with Androcles, we know you have not studied physics.
Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892...
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 10:31:22 PM |
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On Jan 9, 2:15 am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892e00156d4d92/4334582a68e5bb8d?hl=en&lnk=st&q=NC+Governor+Should+Resign+Over+Science#4334582a68e5bb8d
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "none doug\@none" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
15 Jan 2008 11:11:56 PM |
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NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:15 am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892e00156d4d92/4334582a68e5bb8d?hl=en&lnk=st&q=NC+Governor+Should+Resign+Over+Science#4334582a68e5bb8d
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
The truth must be painful for you.
Your assumptions are wrong and your conclusions are wrong. Reality
is being very hard on you. Study and learn why you are wrong. Math
is not that hard. You have made a freshman physics mistake and
everyone is trying to help you by correcting it. Trying to appeal
to some conspiracy is not going to make reality change to agree
with your desires.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 07:08:03 AM |
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"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4ar9d8pqef2@corp.supernews.com...
| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 9, 2:15 am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
| >
| > Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892e00156d4d92/4334582a68e5bb8d?hl=en&lnk=st&q=NC+Governor+Should+Resign+Over+Science#4334582a68e5bb8d
| > You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
| The truth must be painful for you.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Your assumptions are wrong and your conclusions are wrong.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Reality is being very hard on you.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Study and learn why you are wrong.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Math is not that hard.
No factual content, non sequitur.
| You have made a freshman physics mistake and
| everyone is trying to help you by correcting it.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Trying to appeal
| to some conspiracy is not going to make reality change to agree
| with your desires.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
You drooled nothing, fuckhead. "none" is a good name for you.
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 06:07:26 PM |
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On Jan 16, 8:08 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_d> wrote:
"none" <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote in message
news:13or4ar9d8pqef2@corp.supernews.com...| NoEinstein wrote:
| > On Jan 9, 2:15 am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
| >
| > Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
| >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892...
| > You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
| The truth must be painful for you.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Your assumptions are wrong and your conclusions are wrong.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Reality is being very hard on you.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Study and learn why you are wrong.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Math is not that hard.
No factual content, non sequitur.
| You have made a freshman physics mistake and
| everyone is trying to help you by correcting it.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
| Trying to appeal
| to some conspiracy is not going to make reality change to agree
| with your desires.
Personal, no factual content, non sequitur.
You drooled nothing, fuckhead. "none" is a good name for you.
Androcles: Readers know the shallowness on None's remarks. I like
your assessment that None substitutes character attacks for science.
But we can win without resorting to character attacks, too. There is
enough glory to go around. Be it known: We are kicking Einstein into
the dust (figurative violence accepted)! -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "NoEinstein" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
16 Jan 2008 05:57:33 PM |
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On Jan 16, 12:11=A0am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
NoEinstein wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:15 am, none <""doug\"@(none)"> wrote:
Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892...
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
The truth must be painful for you.
Your assumptions are wrong and your conclusions are wrong. =A0Reality
is being very hard on you. =A0Study and learn why you are wrong. =A0Math
is not that hard. =A0You have made a freshman physics mistake and
everyone is trying to help you by correcting it. =A0Trying to appeal
to some conspiracy is not going to make reality change to agree
with your desires.
Dear None: Please read my reply to you on
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/2e892...
You are a persona non grata. -- NoEinstein --
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: How to Replicate NoEinstein's M-M Invalidation (is Copyrighted.) |
08 Jan 2008 11:09:38 AM |
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NoEinstein wrote:
Are you good at algebra? Then, you might enjoy seeing if you can
replicate NoEinstein's invalidation of the historic 1887 Michelson-
Morley interferometer experiment. Such was seeking to measure Earth's
velocity and direction in the cosmos. When the experiment was first
conducted, it was assumed that there was an energy form called ether--
even in the vacuum of space. If, by chance, light traveling in the
direction of motion of the Earth was slowed in passing through the
ether, then, the velocity of the Earth could be determined by how much
the light's velocity had slowed. And the direction of motion of the
Earth would correspond to the azimuth of the maximum slowing. But no
interference phase changes were seen at any azimuth. So, the
experiment was a failure... Many, especially A. A. Michelson, were
miffed to understand why the experiment didn't work.
To have been a failure, the M-M experiment is considered by many
to be the greatest scientific experiment of all time. Such is because
the explanations of Lorentz and FitzGerald that "all matter contracts
in the direction of motion" became the basis for Einstein's theories
of relativity.
But what if matter doesn't contract in the direction of motion?
Of course those men, and Einstein, would be wrong. The author of this
post, NoEinstein--who has a background in structural design--didn't
believe that velocity could compress matter or make any structure or
material contract. But he had to find an alternative explanation for
WHY the experiment failed. His intuition told him that light, as with
sound, speeds up when shined in the direction of motion of the Earth,
and slows down when shined in the direction opposite to the Earth's
motion. Would those two assumptions--that were never considered by
others--yield negative results for the M-M experiment, and without
having to resort to... "contracting matter" due to velocity?
NoEinstein's simple algebraic disproofs, that he is hereby inviting
others to replicate, will require an above average ability to
visualize the M-M apparatus moving at various angles relative to
Earth's velocity vector.
Once emitted from the light source, those rays will race around
their individual, tee shaped, courses to be reflected by two mirrors--
one normal, or perpendicular; the other the 45 degree beamsplitter,
that reflects light at a 90 degree angle--till each light ray finally
arrives at the target. A wave (crest or valley) reaches the target as
a SINGLE timed event from emission to target. The next wave (crest or
valley) completes another timed event, identical to the former, but
has different values depending upon the azimuth to which the apparatus
is oriented, relative to the Earth's velocity vector. Each light ray
is actually a continuous TRAIN of evenly spaced photons of a single
frequency. The TIME required for a single photon in either train to
reach a mirror, or to reach the target, is the same as for any other
photon in that train.
So, to simplify understanding, assume that just TWO side-by-side
photons are simultaneously emitted from the source, each traveling its
own unique, tee shaped course to the target. A schematic diagram of
the Michelson-Morley experiment can be found in most encyclopedias, or
on the WEB. For consistency, assume that the light source is in the -
Y position on the crossed light paths; the 50% silvered, 45 degree
beamsplitter is at the origin of X-X & Y-Y, and reflects LEFT, or
toward -X, at the first reflection; perpendicular Mirror 1 is at +Y,
and is equidistant from the center of the beamsplitter; perpendicular
Mirror 2 is at -X, and is equidistant from the center of the
beamsplitter; and finally, the target surface is perpendicular at +X,
and is equidistant from the center of the 45 degree beamsplitter.
The light rays (or just those two photons) get to travel one of
two light courses. Course 1 is: Source, through the half-silvered
beamsplitter to Mirror 1; then, from Mirror 1 back to the 45 degree
beamsplitter; then, from the 45 degree beamsplitter to the target
(located on the front of the telescope). Course 2 is: Source to the
45 degree beamsplitter; then, from such to Mirror 2; then, from Mirror
2 the light reflects back through the half-silvered beamsplitter to
arrive at the same target on the front of the telescope.
For the results of M-M to be negative, two photons emitted at the
same instant from the source must reflect around their own tee shaped
light courses and arrive at the target in the exact same amount of
TIME regardless of the orientation of the apparatus relative to
Earth's velocity vector. Important note: While the photons are in
transit, the apparatus is constantly moving. The point of original
"aim" of the light is to cross the centerline of the 45 degree
mirror. The purpose of algebra is to calculate WHERE the 45 degree
mirror will be when the photons reflect from such. Algebra is also
needed to calculate how far each photon must travel to reach a given
moving mirror and the moving target. How fast are those moving? Of
course it depends upon the orientation relative to the velocity vector
of the Earth. There are 360 degrees of possible apparatus orientation
to consider. But first consider just the four orthogonal
orientations. Since there are two light courses, that means you must
do eight algebraic calculations of the TIME to the target; and do
eight accrued algebraic calculations of the total distance the light
must travel. Done correctly, the TIME calculations will all be the
same, while the DISTANCE calculations will be longer or shorter than
the measured size of the apparatus.
Consider that each of the four legs of each course is length
unity, or 1. To simplify calculations, assume that the velocity of
light c, also, is unity or 1. And assume that Earth's velocity is .01
(of c), and that the apparatus will move a maximum of .01 in the time
it takes a photon to travel just one leg of the four legs to the
target (as measured when at rest). Re read the above while looking at
a schematic diagram of M-M. Most Important: Remember that the
apparatus is MOVING while the photons are in transit to a particular
mirror, or to the target. Check your algebra for each orientation
before considering the next orientation (90 degrees clockwise or
counterclockwise as you wish). Good luck to everyone!
Respectfully submitted, -- NoEinstein --
Other posts of mine may be accessed by clicking my "profile".
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