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25 Dec 2006 03:36:58 AM |
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It is a "memory" effects in solids? |
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
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| User: "Shadowland" |
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05 Jan 2007 11:22:43 AM |
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It's caused by the bearings.
The lubricant used in a gyros bearings becomes "aligned" to a spin
direction.
Reversing the spin, the lubricant/impurities must become realigned.
Realignment is felt as friction.
Case closed where's my Nobel ?
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| User: "Szczepan Bialek" |
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05 Jan 2007 01:35:22 PM |
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"Shadowland" wrote:
It's caused by the bearings.
The lubricant used in a gyros bearings becomes "aligned" to a spin
direction.
Reversing the spin, the lubricant/impurities must become realigned.
Realignment is felt as friction.
Case closed where's my Nobel ?
Miss. It is caused by the magnetic hysteresis. If the rotor contains the
additional electrons (it is material dependent) when they work like in
Eichenwald experiment.
S*
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| User: "Szczepan Białek" |
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07 Jan 2007 05:10:36 AM |
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"CWatters" wrote:
Overall the paper is interesting but they simply haven't done enough
experiments to prove it's not the bearings. I'd like to see them do the same
test with an air bearing or several different types of bearing.
They have made enough.
If the effect is real you might also expect it to vary with the mass of the
rotor
or something like that..
Mazur effect is the strongest when:
1 .Rotor is made of teflon (see triboelectric series)
2. The ratio: moment of inretia to mass is high
3. A steel inserts are mounted
So, it is an electromagnetic phenomenon.
S*
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13 Jan 2007 09:27:21 AM |
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Szczepan Bia=B3ek napisal(a):
"CWatters" wrote:
Overall the paper is interesting but they simply haven't done enough
experiments to prove it's not the bearings. I'd like to see them do the s=
ame
test with an air bearing or several different types of bearing.
They have made enough.
If the effect is real you might also expect it to vary with the mass of =
the
rotor
or something like that..
Mazur effect is the strongest when:
1 .Rotor is made of teflon (see triboelectric series)
2. The ratio: moment of inretia to mass is high
3. A steel inserts are mounted
So, it is an electromagnetic phenomenon.
Those effects strongly depend on material
(substance) of the rotor's disk, for example they are
great for the rotor's disk made in teflon and small one
for the rotor's disk made in plexiglas.=20
S*
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31 Jan 2007 10:58:41 AM |
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On 13 Sty, 16:27, wrote:
Szczepan Bia=B3ek napisal(a):
"CWatters" wrote:
Overall the paper is interesting but they simply haven't done enough
experiments to prove it's not the bearings. I'd like to see them do the=
same
test with an air bearing or several different types of bearing.
They have made enough.
If the effect is real you might also expect it to vary with the mass o=
f the
rotor
or something like that..
Mazur effect is the strongest when:
1 .Rotor is made of teflon (see triboelectric series)
2. The ratio: moment of inretia to mass is high
3. A steel inserts are mounted
So, it is an electromagnetic phenomenon.
Those effects strongly depend on material
(substance) of the rotor's disk, for example they are
great for the rotor's disk made in teflon and small one
for the rotor's disk made in plexiglas.
S*
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
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| User: "" |
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08 Jan 2007 10:15:47 AM |
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Szczepan Bia=B3ek napisal(a):
"CWatters" wrote:
Overall the paper is interesting but they simply haven't done enough
experiments to prove it's not the bearings. I'd like to see them do the s=
ame
test with an air bearing or several different types of bearing.
They have made enough.
If the effect is real you might also expect it to vary with the mass of =
the
rotor
or something like that..
Mazur effect is the strongest when:
1 .Rotor is made of teflon (see triboelectric series)
2. The ratio: moment of inretia to mass is high
3. A steel inserts are mounted
So, it is an electromagnetic phenomenon.
S*
hallo Szczepan! Thank you - "Mazur effect"!!!
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| User: "CWatters" |
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05 Jan 2007 02:32:48 PM |
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"Shadowland" <saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168017762.949119.159070@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
It's caused by the bearings.
The lubricant used in a gyros bearings becomes "aligned" to a spin
direction.
Reversing the spin, the lubricant/impurities must become realigned.
Realignment is felt as friction.
I guess you didn't read _all_ of the paper. The OP did some (but not
enough) tests to rule out friction effects. I read the paper 6 months ago
but I recall they did something like turn over the rotor (but not the axel
and bearings) - the effect followed the rotor not the axel/bearings.
Overall the paper is interesting but they simply haven't done enough
experiments to prove it's not the bearings. I'd like to see them do the same
test with an air bearing or several different types of bearing. If the
effect is real you might also expect it to vary with the mass of the rotor
or something like that.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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25 Dec 2006 06:01:44 AM |
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<top9@gazeta.pl> wrote in message news:1167039418.221151.215140@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
The influence of mixing "Unmemorized" with "Memorized"
rotors with ditto spindles and ditto bearings was not tested.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/fe59091e437f1fc4/
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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25 Dec 2006 09:07:47 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
Ref: http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/OpenAppealtoAPS.doc
N.C.Bartelt
Divisional Associate Editor
Physical Review Letters
Dear Dr. Mazur,
I am writing in connection with your manuscript "Anomalous "memory"
effects in a spinning top", LW8007, submitted to Physical Review
Letters. As you know, appeals beyond the level of the Divisional
Associate Editor are handled by the Editor-in-Chief, Dr. Martin
Blume. Dr. Blume evaluates the appeal solely on the basis of the
correctness and fairness of the procedures used in reviewing the
manuscript.
However, as a matter of practice, I review all such appeals in my
capacity as Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors.
If I am convinced by the arguments presented, I accept the manuscript
for publication in Physical Review Letters. If not, I may forward the
appeal to Dr. Blume. In this way, your email of September 23, 2003
has come to my attention and I have studied the manuscript and the
associated correspondence.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Secondly, you might have found an effect which, although consistent
with known physics, was both interesting and useful in other
applications. To make the case for this approach, you would have to
clearly understand the origin and underlying explanation of the
effect. This is also clearly not the case. Since your appeal did not
involve a procedural issue, I am not forwarding it to Dr. Blume. You
may, of course, appeal to Dr. Blume if you wish. However, in my
opinion, such an appeal is not likely to be successful.
Jack Sandweiss
Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors
Physical Review Letters
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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25 Dec 2006 09:17:03 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:7PRjh.327292$1i1.177333@attbi_s72...
top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
Ref: http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/OpenAppealtoAPS.doc
N.C.Bartelt
Divisional Associate Editor
Physical Review Letters
Dear Dr. Mazur,
I am writing in connection with your manuscript "Anomalous "memory"
effects in a spinning top", LW8007, submitted to Physical Review
Letters. As you know, appeals beyond the level of the Divisional
Associate Editor are handled by the Editor-in-Chief, Dr. Martin
Blume. Dr. Blume evaluates the appeal solely on the basis of the
correctness and fairness of the procedures used in reviewing the
manuscript.
However, as a matter of practice, I review all such appeals in my
capacity as Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors.
If I am convinced by the arguments presented, I accept the manuscript
for publication in Physical Review Letters. If not, I may forward the
appeal to Dr. Blume. In this way, your email of September 23, 2003
has come to my attention and I have studied the manuscript and the
associated correspondence.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Secondly, you might have found an effect which, although consistent
with known physics, was both interesting and useful in other
applications. To make the case for this approach, you would have to
clearly understand the origin and underlying explanation of the
effect. This is also clearly not the case. Since your appeal did not
involve a procedural issue, I am not forwarding it to Dr. Blume. You
may, of course, appeal to Dr. Blume if you wish. However, in my
opinion, such an appeal is not likely to be successful.
Jack Sandweiss
Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors
Physical Review Letters
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "CWatters" |
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25 Dec 2006 11:59:06 AM |
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:PXRjh.255786$aB2.5324894@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Have you read the paper? I read it the last time the OP was here. Some of
the results appear interesting - for example he had done some experiments to
rule out known friction effects... however overall I felt he hadn't done
quite enough of those, or if he had done them then they wern't given enough
weight in the paper.
Unfortunately the OP seems to have put more energy into trying to get
getting his existing paper published than into doing new experiments to
support a better paper.
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| User: "CWatters" |
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25 Dec 2006 12:00:40 PM |
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"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote in message
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:PXRjh.255786$aB2.5324894@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up
now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Have you read the paper? I read it the last time the OP was here.
Sorry Dirk. I've just seen your other reply.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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25 Dec 2006 04:43:04 PM |
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"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote in message news:4590123f$0$8724$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote in message
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:PXRjh.255786$aB2.5324894@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up
now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Have you read the paper? I read it the last time the OP was here.
Sorry Dirk. I've just seen your other reply.
No problem, I also just noticed this reprise :-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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25 Dec 2006 04:42:19 PM |
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"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote in message news:459011e0$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:PXRjh.255786$aB2.5324894@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Have you read the paper?
Yes.
They are idiots.
Dirk Vdm
I read it the last time the OP was here. Some of
the results appear interesting - for example he had done some experiments to
rule out known friction effects... however overall I felt he hadn't done
quite enough of those, or if he had done them then they wern't given enough
weight in the paper.
Unfortunately the OP seems to have put more energy into trying to get
getting his existing paper published than into doing new experiments to
support a better paper.
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05 Jan 2007 10:11:02 AM |
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Dirk Van de moortel napisal(a):
"CWatters" <colin.watters@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote in message news:459011e0$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:PXRjh.255786$aB2.5324894@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
The standard way to say "***** with your silly paper and shut up now."
It must be horrible to have to deal with these crackpot papers
in such an elaborately formal but restrainedly polite way :-(
Have you read the paper?
Yes.
They are idiots.
Dirk Vdm
I read it the last time the OP was here. Some of
the results appear interesting - for example he had done some experiments to
rule out known friction effects... however overall I felt he hadn't done
quite enough of those, or if he had done them then they wern't given enough
weight in the paper.
Unfortunately the OP seems to have put more energy into trying to get
getting his existing paper published than into doing new experiments to
support a better paper.
very scientifical opinion.... about "memory" effects in solids!
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25 Dec 2006 02:57:06 PM |
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Sam Wormley napisal(a):
top9@gazeta.pl wrote:
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
Ref: http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/OpenAppealtoAPS.doc
N.C.Bartelt
Divisional Associate Editor
Physical Review Letters
Dear Dr. Mazur,
I am writing in connection with your manuscript "Anomalous "memory"
effects in a spinning top", LW8007, submitted to Physical Review
Letters. As you know, appeals beyond the level of the Divisional
Associate Editor are handled by the Editor-in-Chief, Dr. Martin
Blume. Dr. Blume evaluates the appeal solely on the basis of the
correctness and fairness of the procedures used in reviewing the
manuscript.
However, as a matter of practice, I review all such appeals in my
capacity as Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors.
If I am convinced by the arguments presented, I accept the manuscript
for publication in Physical Review Letters. If not, I may forward the
appeal to Dr. Blume. In this way, your email of September 23, 2003
has come to my attention and I have studied the manuscript and the
associated correspondence.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Unfortunately, I have decided that the manuscript is not appropriate
for Physical Review Letters. Basically, you report surprising effects
in a mechanical system under conditions which are very well known to
be governed by existing principles of physics. Your results could, in
principle, be of interest in two ways. First, they could be evidence
that the known principles of physics need to be modified. Since an
enormous number of tests of those principles have been successfully
carried out, it is very unlikely that you have discovered something
truly new in physics. To establish that an extremely strong case
would have to be made. Such is clearly not the case.
Secondly, you might have found an effect which, although consistent
with known physics, was both interesting and useful in other
applications. To make the case for this approach, you would have to
clearly understand the origin and underlying explanation of the
effect. This is also clearly not the case. Since your appeal did not
involve a procedural issue, I am not forwarding it to Dr. Blume. You
may, of course, appeal to Dr. Blume if you wish. However, in my
opinion, such an appeal is not likely to be successful.
Jack Sandweiss
Editor and Chairman of the Divisional Associate Editors
Physical Review Letters
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/OpenAppealtoAPS.doc
The Report of the Divisional Associate Editor (Attachment 4):
Why do we have to submit to such criteria?:
"Whether this paper is important enough to be publishable in
Physical Review Letters depends on how likely it is that the
explanation of the memory effect will reveal fundamentally new
physics."
The quoted text " Physic Today " has nothing to do with our
manuscript. The remaining text of the review contradicts the final
remarks:
" While it is true that there is no immediately obvious
way friction could be responsible for the memory effect,"
And our manuscript treat exactly about that.
Referee reports are anonymous and:
"so referee B, one of the world's leading experts in
experimentally probing the atomic mechanisms of friction,"
We have made an "Appeal to DAE" (attachment 5) in which
we wrote about a real sensations for every physicist - the figures in
our manuscript show directly the changeability of the moment of
inertia. In his review N .C. Bartelt did not comment on the problem
and the figures in question, so we asked the editors and the Chairman
for the answer if this fact was due to N. C. Bartelt accepting the
figures 5,6,7 and the changeability of the moment of inertia or, if he
did not have the figures in his manuscript ( the first version of the
manuscript did not include them ). We did not get any answer again so
we came to conclusion that N. C. Bartelt checked the first version of
the manuscript and our appeal with all the comments on the figures
5,6,7 removed. Thus we treat it as a forgery. In last mail of
J.Malenfant (attachment 6):
"We've received an email from N.C. Bartelt in which he wrote
that he
did consider figures 5-7 in your manuscript but that their content was
not important to his decision. He added though that the fact that the
paper contains no conclusive interpretation of the data presented in
these figures also argued against publication in PRL."
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| User: "CWatters" |
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27 Dec 2006 01:04:51 PM |
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It's hopless quoting random extracts from correspondence like this. It's
impossible to follow and a waste of your time.
I was interested in your paper. I'm less interested now.
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| User: "" |
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03 Jan 2007 11:34:58 AM |
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CWatters napisal(a):
It's hopless quoting random extracts from correspondence like this. It's
impossible to follow and a waste of your time.
I was interested in your paper. I'm less interested now.
it is your problem, only!
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| User: "CWatters" |
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04 Jan 2007 04:21:42 AM |
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<top9@gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:1167845697.656923.61870@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
CWatters napisal(a):
It's hopless quoting random extracts from correspondence like this. It's
impossible to follow and a waste of your time.
I was interested in your paper. I'm less interested now.
it is your problem, only!
Look. You may well have discovered something interesting. I agree you did
indeed do some tests to rule out other causes (such as turning over the
rotor) but I agree your paper doesn't contain quite enough evidence that
other causes had been ruled out. The experiment needs to be repeated with a
totally different bearing design.
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| User: "" |
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02 Feb 2007 10:26:53 AM |
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On 25 Gru 2006, 10:36, wrote:
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
A symmetric harnessed gyroscope accelerated to a given spinning
frequency takes different time periods to stop, depending on the
direction of previous spins. For repeated alternating, anticlockwise
and clockwise spinning, the rotation period in both directions
significantly increases, which is not the case when the gyroscope is
repeatedly rotated in the same direction. Using the measurements it was
observed, that the time of gyroscope's rotation was significantly
lengthened or shortened, what indicates that it either increased or
decreased the movement resistance of the gyroscope. The presented
experimental results suggest the existence of anomalous movement
resistance and demonstrate that a fixed spinning gyroscope displays
unusual history-dependent movement resistance effects. The effect is
real, large, reproducible and does not follow from experimental errors.
The manuscript was reviewed thrice, according to the publishing
procedure in "Physical Review Letters" within two year. The remarks of
all the reviewers were taken into account during its correction.
Because the publishing procedure for our manuscript in "Physical Review
Letters" finished, we decided to publish it in Journal of Technical
Physics, J.Tech. Phys., 46, 2, 107-115, 2005.
http://www.oswirus.krakow.pl/cat_14/gyroscope/
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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| Title: Re: It is a "memory" effects in solids? |
25 Dec 2006 05:58:44 AM |
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Why can't you keep lotter in sentences consistent?
Your problem sounds like Bohm's implicate order: Blot a drum of
glucerin with ink; anspin it to see it vanish; then unspin it to see it
grow back.
But maybe the surface of your axle has a sawtoothed grain.
-Aut
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