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28 Mar 2005 08:59:00 PM |
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It starts with Killing the most helpless |
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
You don't know what you're dealing with.
The cheating husband has been given the choice to
kill his wife.
She knows they are killing her.
Why don't they do it right. They wouldnt do the
same thing to an animal.
Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
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| User: "Bilge" |
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30 Mar 2005 01:45:13 AM |
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If anyone were to start with the most helpless, you would have been dead
long ago.
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28 Mar 2005 11:46:10 PM |
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<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
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Terri Schiavo, [snip]
Quit posting this spam in physics newsgroups
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29 Mar 2005 01:52:45 AM |
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<macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
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Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
God beat everyone to it.. he has been the root cause of every death that has
ever happened.
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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28 Mar 2005 09:29:31 PM |
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Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
*****. Many terminally or permanently incapacitated patients have had
their life support or nutrition discontinued. Usually it is done
according to a "living will" but in the Schiavo case no such will was
written. HOWEVER under Florida law the patients will in the matter can
be established by attestations of what the patient said he/she wanted in
case of permanent incapacitation or terminal illness.
Remember Karan Ann Quinlan?
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Maleki" |
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29 Mar 2005 11:48:03 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:29:31 -0500, robert j. kolker wrote:
Many terminally or permanently incapacitated patients have had
their life support or nutrition discontinued.
Why would they do it in such a sick way? Do you all share a
sense of torturing others with South American military
generals? Hospitals kill patients everyday in the most
common, most efficient, least painful way, when it's decided
that nothing else can be done. I told you before (or was it
Al), at least do it the Iranian way. Shoot the sucker with
large caliber long aggressively looking bullets, fired ten
or twenty at a time. Leaves them heck of a lot saner than
any of you sickos.
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"dosad man ostekhAn bAyad ke sad man bAr bardArad"
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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29 Mar 2005 10:16:34 AM |
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wrote:
[snip crap]
Hey fuckwad - your halfling ***** god-on-a-stick is not physics. Hey
idiot Raemsch, how may ISPs need we kill you at to shut you up?
FOaD
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Nick" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:24:38 PM |
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Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
You don't know what you're dealing with.
The cheating husband has been given the choice to
kill his wife.
She knows they are killing her.
Why don't they do it right. They wouldnt do the
same thing to an animal.
Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
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| User: "Bilge" |
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31 Mar 2005 05:07:14 PM |
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Nick:
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
And your own efforts to address this consists of what?
Posting to a usenet relativity newsgroup? You probably think
it's helpful to make your case in way that pisses everyone off
regardless of what cross section of opinions those people may
hold. I guess you're just an all-around armchair everything.
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| User: "Akazzi" |
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03 Apr 2005 01:34:19 PM |
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Americans aren't free anyway. We claim of freedom, but it really comes down
to "SEX". Freedom and democracy = sex. Democracy is not freedom to have sex
and do drugs and all types of *****, while being controlled by the
government. You can't make money as you are being fucked paying billions of
dollars. You don't own a house as you are in debt with the mortgage as you
couldn't make enough money as you paid all the taxes.
We are all working like dogs and don't have a dollar in our account at the
end of the month. This fucking democracy totally sucks.
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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Nick:
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
And your own efforts to address this consists of what?
Posting to a usenet relativity newsgroup? You probably think
it's helpful to make your case in way that pisses everyone off
regardless of what cross section of opinions those people may
hold. I guess you're just an all-around armchair everything.
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| User: "Bilge" |
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05 Apr 2005 12:08:23 AM |
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Akazzi:
Americans aren't free anyway. We claim of freedom, but it really comes down
to "SEX". Freedom and democracy = sex. Democracy is not freedom to have sex
and do drugs and all types of *****, while being controlled by the
government. You can't make money as you are being fucked paying billions of
dollars. You don't own a house as you are in debt with the mortgage as you
couldn't make enough money as you paid all the taxes.
That's a different issue, that's also off topic.
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| User: "Nick" |
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05 Apr 2005 01:30:56 AM |
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Bilge wrote:
Akazzi:
Americans aren't free anyway. We claim of freedom, but it really
comes down
to "SEX". Freedom and democracy = sex. Democracy is not freedom to
have sex
and do drugs and all types of *****, while being controlled by the
government. You can't make money as you are being fucked paying
billions of
dollars. You don't own a house as you are in debt with the mortgage
as you
couldn't make enough money as you paid all the taxes.
That's a different issue, that's also off topic.
Slimeball
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| User: "Bilge" |
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05 Apr 2005 03:07:50 AM |
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Nick:
Bilge wrote:
Akazzi:
Americans aren't free anyway. We claim of freedom, but it really
comes down
to "SEX". Freedom and democracy = sex. Democracy is not freedom to
have sex
and do drugs and all types of *****, while being controlled by the
government. You can't make money as you are being fucked paying
billions of
dollars. You don't own a house as you are in debt with the mortgage
as you
couldn't make enough money as you paid all the taxes.
That's a different issue, that's also off topic.
Slimeball
No thanks. I don't own a slimeball bat.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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03 Apr 2005 06:13:58 PM |
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The mob toulk the usa.
its not for the people its for the mob.
It would take 65 million gun owners to corect it.
terry's ex basterd wanted his money .
The insurance wanted thier money .
The lawyer wanted his money .
Re: You Good People are Going to Lose Your Freedom Through Terri Schiavo =
Group: sci.physics Date: Sun, Apr 3, 2005, 2:34pm From:
akazzi@rogers.com (Akazzi)
Americans aren't free anyway. We claim of freedom, but it really comes
down to "SEX". Freedom and democracy =3D sex. Democracy is not freedom to
have sex and do drugs and all types of *****, while being controlled by
the government. You can't make money as you are being fucked paying
billions of dollars. You don't own a house as you are in debt with the
mortgage as you couldn't make enough money as you paid all the taxes.
We are all working like dogs and don't have a dollar in our account at
the end of the month. This fucking democracy totally sucks.
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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Nick:
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
=A0=A0=A0=A0And your own efforts to address this consists of what?
Posting to a usenet relativity newsgroup? You probably think it's
helpful to make your case in way that pisses everyone off regardless of
what cross section of opinions those people may hold. I guess you're
just an all-around armchair everything.
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01 Apr 2005 05:11:12 PM |
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Slimeball.
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| User: "Bilge" |
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01 Apr 2005 06:12:40 PM |
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macromitch@internetCDS.com:
Slimeball.
Well, if someone tries to bump me off, don't forget to post
lots of articles to as many newsgroups as you can discover would
consider the article off topic.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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30 Mar 2005 11:23:08 PM |
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Impossible!
She has no business connections to cheap labor countries.
Wal-Mart is way ahead of her in the slavery business.
Sue...
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Mar 2005 09:57:39 AM |
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Nick wrote:
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
The Crusades are the precendent for mass murder. The Inquisition is
the precendent for mass murder. Sodom and Gomorrah are the precedents
for mass murder. The tenth plague of Egypt is the precedent for mass
murder. Turks vs. Armenians is the precedent for mass murder. Roman
decimation is the precedent for mass murder. WWI is the precedent for
mass murder. The meat industry is the precedent for mass murder.
Antibiotics are the precedent for mass murder. Shows what happens
when you don't do it enough.
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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01 Apr 2005 06:14:55 PM |
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Wile Bush hands SS over to wall street just because he blew 5 trillion
out his *****.
wile the population decreases yet the TV makes the bleek fear in nead
of more laws and more butal pigs.
USSR america ??
rusha was never this bad.
Its still not as bad.
The propaganda of the USA is USA is the only place to live and be free.
Its bullfuckingshit.
ALL the violance and crap on TV is geared to de sencitize the
population and adding a constant fear .
Now LOOK ,,pot evrywhere ..the GOV ships it in and sells it then bust
you . Id like to see you get a ton of dope over the boarder.
You cant drive a ton of dope over the line any more after 911 but the
pot is still evrywhere.
Bush sucks oil from mexico is why the mex boarder gets no fence.
The mob will kill you for a buck.
Thats the USA gov ..the mob .
Thats why the rich get 5 trillion and why the med makers wrote thier
own laws and old poeple cant buy cheeper drugs from canada.
Our MOB GOV is all about fucking you out of helth care and making temp
employment services a way around benifits and unemployment . NONE of
that crap is For the poeple by the POEPLE . Its to ***** the people for
the MOB.
5 docs ,,3 work for insurance co and 2 dont.
3 said kill her shes a plant and 2 said they could help her talk.
The judge sided with the mob and will play liberal ***** claiming
he did noting wrong.
I want the judge killed slow.
I want her husband killed slower.
burry them alive
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02 Apr 2005 03:19:35 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6468-424DE3FF-341@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
I want the judge killed slow.
I want her husband killed slower.
burry them alive
Do you also want all the people in charge of the Popes medical treatment
killed? After all, they are letting him die when they could hook him up to
lots of machines that will force him to stay alive.
Oh yeah, I didn't see you at the Hospice in Florida.. shouldn't you have
been there?
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| User: "RP" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:47:18 PM |
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Nick wrote:
Terri Schiavo, is the precedent to mass murder.
You don't know what you're dealing with.
The cheating husband has been given the choice to
kill his wife.
She knows they are killing her.
Why don't they do it right. They wouldnt do the
same thing to an animal.
Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
Of course they would do the same thing to an animal. Animals are put
to sleep every day that have no brian damage whatsoever. We eat a good
number of them too. As for pets, yes they are also commonly put to
sleep when they are terminally ill or in chronic incurable misery.
However, given a pet that can't eat some owners will simply let them
die of starvation and dehydration rather than insert a feeding tube;
some will have them euthanized.
The problem with Schiavo is that it makes apparent contradictory
sentiments. Which sentiment is right? If you attempt to answer that
question based upon religion, then it only gets worse because mercy
and murder both seem to apply, notions that are supposed to be
mutually exclusive. One more point in favor of the idiocy of religion
in general. Remove the religion and it becomes a simple matter of
being consistent, and in that context consistent is simply "what's
best for...whoever it is that is considering the problem". We can each
formulate our own conclusion, and be consistent with ourselves, though
not necessarily consistent with others. Kant took a different approach
to right and wrong, he aimed for the public good. IOW, which
decision will be in the favor of the majority? I think it's obvious in
this case that answer is life for Shiavo. Only her husband stands to
gain from her death. Does the good of the one outweigh the good of the
many? I think Mr. Spock should have been left to his fate; very
irresponsible of Capt. Kirk to fetch him, but then hey, Kant's good
for reading but who wants to subscribe to his imperative all the time,
it goes against our nature.
Richard Perry
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| User: "Nick" |
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30 Mar 2005 11:13:57 PM |
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***** you perry. they don't deprive animals in this fashion.
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| User: "RP" |
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31 Mar 2005 07:39:19 AM |
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Nick wrote:
***** you perry. they don't deprive animals in this fashion.
You've apparently misunderstood my post.
Unfortunately some people will in fact deprive even perfectly healthy
animals in this fashion, which is one of the reasons that the ASPCA
came into existence. No veterinary doctor would recommend this method
even for the severely disable animal, at least I would hope not, but
many people would do so on their own, people that you might regard
otherwise as Christian, or upstanding. I have certain knowledge that
people like this will in fact treat their animals in this fashion.
There are too many people in this world who in one form or another are
monsters underneath the facade.
Richard Perry
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| User: "Harry" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:53:05 PM |
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Hello,
Terry can talk and swallow:
http://snipurl.com/dqyo
Terri's vocal sounds are the same as a deaf
person, who is deaf from birth. Her head actions
are the same as a blind person, blind from birth.
To the non-professional, Terri's actions mean
nothing, however if you were to put a nearly blind,
deaf baby, from birth, in a crib; never talked to it
or moved it, but to feed it and change its diaper etc.
(a couple hours a day of silent interaction); it would
grow up to be a Terri. Terri needed therapy, however
Michael stopped it, and as soon as all the settlement
money ($2.25 million) was raked in, he decided he
wanted her dead.
Terri Schiavo's $2.25 Million
Exclusive
Schiavogate---The Big Cover-up
By June Maxam and Ginger Berlin
=A9 The Empire Journal
"People may die during the course of abuse investigations
and the investigation may become moot".
Apparently that's what Florida's Sixth Circuit Court George
Greer is hoping. Maybe even the judges in the 2nd District
Court of Appeals at Lakeland have the same mindset.
It appears that Greer has a vested interest in the death of
Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Her death may make moot the
warranted and overdue investigations of Greer's own
complicity in the case---alleged violations of guardianship
laws and well as the alleged cover-up of criminal
wrongdoing in the matter---an obstruction of justice---a
prosecutable offense for which culpability will only
increase with judicial homicide.
Saying that that death will render the alleged decade-long
abuse of Terri Schiavo, aided and abetted by the court as
moot, Greer denied the motion of Florida's Department of
Children and Families (DCF) to intervene in the case of
Terri Schiavo, sentenced to die March 18 by Greer because
she requires food and water to live.
The plethora of alleged improprieties in the Schiavo case
gives immediate cause for the appointment of a special
prosecutor into not only the alleged wrongdoing of Michael
Schiavo but of George Greer. The longer that Florida
authorities resist in removing Greer from the case and
bench, the greater the miscarriage of justice.
Conspiracy, collusion, fraud.
Not only has Greer unlawfully become a party to the action
by acting as both jurist and guardian ad litem in the case
but he, like Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George
Felos, may need to insure that Terri Schiavo dies and her
body immediately cremated in order to destroy evidence of
not only the alleged criminal wrongdoing of Michael
Schiavo but perhaps by Greer himself in impeding and
interfering in valid abuse investigations.
And then there's the guardianship issue.
According to an investigation conducted by The Empire
Journal, not only has Michael Schiavo allegedly
egregiously violated the guardianship laws of the State of
Florida, but so has Greer. By refusing to act on the petitions
submitted by Terri's parents to remove the estranged
husband as the guardian, Greer has violated his statutory
duties as well as aided in the alleged abuse, neglect and
exploitation of the ward.
Greer has steadfastly dodged the guardianship issue,
refusing to rule on petitions to remove Schiavo as guardian
of the person of Terri Schiavo, abdicating the duties of the
judicial office as well as his position on the Sixth Circuit
Committee on Guardianship Monitoring.
Condoned Medicare Fraud
In addition, with the knowledge that Terri Schiavo is not
terminal, Greer has actually condoned and participated in a
fraud of the federal and state governments, becoming
partners with Michael Schiavo and others to allegedly
engage in Medicare and Medicaid fraud by allowing the
placement of Terri in a hospice without proper
certification. He has also repetitively allowed Michael
Schiavo to violate the statutory filing requirements under
guardianship laws regarding the physical and mental
condition of his ward, Terri Schiavo. Although he claims
that he has ruled on the subject previously, each year that
Schiavo fails to file the requisite reports and accountings
constitutes a new violation, grounds for his removal as
guardian.
At an evidentiary hearing before Greer in October, 2002,
Dr. Victor Gambone, former attending physician of Terri
Schiavo, testified under oath that his patient was not
terminal and that was not in any sort of health crisis. At
that time, Terri Schiavo had been a resident of Hospice of
Florida Suncoast for over two years unlawfully as the
requisite certification of her terminal illness had not been
filed.
But instead of reporting the alleged fraud, Greer allegedly
became an accomplice to it, granting the husband's petition
to enroll Terri into a Medicaid program for her stay at the
hospice.
On Nov. 15, 2002, Patricia Anderson, attorney for the
Schindlers, filed with Greer a petition to remove Michael
Schiavo as guardian. The petition included a declaration of
adversary proceedings charging that the husband had
violated a dozen or more Florida Statutes. As of this date,
more some 2 =BD years later, Greer has never ruled on the
motion---in violation of state law. But then there if a
hearing was conducted as required, there would be only
one way to rule on the motion---to remove Schiavo as
guardian.
On Jan. 10, attorneys for Mary and Robert Schindler Sr.
renewed their petition for the removal of Schiavo as
guardian of their daughter and as this date, Greer has failed
to rule on that motion too, in direct contravention of
Florida Statutes. By refusing to conduct the required
hearing on the issue and addressing the blatant
violations of state law, Greer is not only aiding and
abetting Michael Schiavo and George Felos but he is a
lawbreaker himself, a violation of public trust and the oath
of office that he presumably took and filed.
"My oath is to follow the law and if I can't follow the law, I
need to step down".
According to review of Greer's handling of the Schiavo
case conducted by The Empire Journal, Greer has
consistently failed to follow the law and needs to hang up
the black robe.
Instead of serving to protect the assets of incapacitated
persons such as the disabled and the elderly, the existing
guardianship system in Florida and particularly in Pinellas
County presents the opportunity for unscrupulous guardians
to loot the assets of their wards and enrich themselves with
the complete blessing of the court.
No Report, No Authority Pursuant to Chapter 744 of
Florida Statutes, each guardian, whether non-professional
or professional, is required to file an annual guardianship
report, plan and accounting. By law, the court retains
jurisdiction over all guardians. The court, and that includes
Greer, is required to review "the appropriateness and extent
of a guardianship annually and if an objection to terms of
the guardianship has been filed, if interim review
requested, if the guardianship report has not been received
and the guardian has failed to respond to a show cause
order".
Unless the court requires filing on a calendar-year basis,
each guardian of the person, such as Schiavo, is required to
file with the court an annual guardianship plan within 90
days after the last day of the anniversary month the letters
of guardianship were signed, and the plan must cover the
coming fiscal year. If calendar year filing is required, the
guardianship plan must be file within 90 days after the
end of the calendar year---or in the case of 2004----on
March 30, two weeks after Greer has decreed that the death
order be executed.
The annual accounting must also be filed at this time by the
guardian of the person.
The guardian of the property, who in the Schiavo case is
Alyson Carpenter according to Ken Burke, clerk of the
Sixth Circuit Court, must also file an annual accounting.
The annual report of a guardian of the person of an
incapacitated person must consist of an annual
guardianship plan. The annual report is required to be
served on the ward and on the attorney for the ward. The
guardian is required to provide a copy to any other person
as the court may direct. Unless the ward is a minor or has
been determined to be totally incapacitated, the guardian is
required to review a copy of the annual report with the
ward, to the extent possible. Within 30 days after the
annual report has been filed, any interested person,
including the ward, may file written objections to any
element of the report specifying the nature of the objection.
Section 744.3685 states that if the guardian fails to file the
annual guardianship report, as it is alleged in the Schiavo
case, Greer is required to order the guardian to file the
report within 15 days after the service of an order on him to
show cause why he shouldn't be compelled to do so. If the
guardian fails to file the report within the time specified
without good cause, the court may cite him for contempt.
However, in the case of Greer, he has failed to exercise his
mandate and instead of ordering Schiavo to comply with
the law or show cause why he shouldn't have to, Greer
ignores his responsibility under the law and allows Schiavo
to escape the filing requirement.
If an annual report is not timely filed, the law states the
court "shall", not permissive but mandatory, order the
guardian to file the report or show cause why it is not
timely filed. The court is required by law to review the
initial and annual guardianship report to determine that the
report meets the needs of the ward, authorizes a guardian to
act only in areas in which the adult ward has been declared
incapacitated and conforms to all other requirements of
law.
In the case of Schiavo, Greer has allegedly taken no steps
as required to force Schiavo to file the requisite reports and
obviously in the absence of the reports being filed, Greer
fails to exercise his statutory duties of reviewing the report.
Without the report being filed or being reviewed as
required, Greer in essence is not only allowing Schiavo to
violate the guardianship laws but he himself is actually
becoming a party to allowing the abuse, neglect and
exploitation to occur and continue unaddressed.
Greer has consistently refused to consider the allegations of
abuse even in light of the massive evidence presented to
him.
By law, if an objection is filed to a report, (or the lack of
the guardian to file the mandated report) the court is
required by law to set the matter for hearing and conduct
hearing within 30 days after filing of objection.
Greer Violating Guardianship Law Too
Greer is in violation of this section of guardianship law too
as he has failed to conduct a hearing on the Nov. 2002
motion or the Jan. 11, 2005 motion.
http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/PetitionToRemoveGu
ardian.pdf
http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Mot%20Dism%20Pet
%20Rem%20Guard%20120602.pdf
Among the issues in the petition for the removal of Schiavo
is his abandonment of the marriage, failure to provide the
ward with her rights including independent legal counsel,
palliative care and rehabilitation services; failure to file
valid guardianship plans and mismanagement of the ward's
assets.
There are a number of reasons provided for the removal of
a guardian. Among those in the case of Michael Schiavo
are a material failure to comply with the guardianship
report by the guardian; failure to comply with rules for
timely filing the initial and annual reports; failure to fulfill
guardianship education requirements; fraud in obtaining
her or her appointment; failure to discharge her or his
duties; abuse of his powers; wasting, embezzlement or
other mismanagement of ward's property; development of
conflict of interest between ward and guardian; improper
management of ward's assets.
After the mandated hearing is held, the court shall enter a
written order either approving or ordering modifications to
the report. Greer has failed to do this too.
By law, the approved report constitutes the authority for
guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of
guardian are initiated by terms of the report. The annual
report may not grant additional authority to guardian
without a hearing as provided. In the absence of Schiavo
and Felos filing an annual report and accounting, Schiavo
has no legal authority to act as a guardian in that year-----a
ongoing violation which seems to have been unlawfully
endorsed by Greer. By failing to take action against
Schiavo to force him to comply with the law, the court is
aiding and abetting Schiavo in violating the law----hardly a
role that a judge should play---particularly when the stakes
are a sentence of death..
Any initial, annual or final guardianship report is subject to
investigation only by the court, clerk of the court or clerk's
representative, the guardian, the guardian's attorney, the
ward and the ward's attorney. By failing to appoint
independent counsel for Terri, Greer has also violated that
law.
According to Section 744.3715, at any time any interested
person, including the ward, may petition the court for
review, alleging that the guardian is not complying with
guardianship plans or is exceeding authority under
guardianship plan, and that the guardian is not acting in
best interest of the ward. The petition must state the nature
of objection to the guardian's action or proposed action.
Upon the filing of such petition court is required by law to
review the petition and act on it expeditiously.
Greer has consistently refused to do so, violating the law
himself while allowing Michael Schiavo to violate
numerous sections of state law, using the auspices of his
judicial power and resources to allow an individual to
break the law which in the case of Terri Schiavo, is against
the best interests of the ward, the interests that Greer is
sworn to protect. Instead, he has ordered her death to
allegedly cover-up the wrongdoings of not only Michael
Schiavo and others involved in the case, but himself.
Terri Schiavo collapsed amidst mysterious circumstances
at her home on Feb. 25, 1990, during a time when
witnesses say there had been on ongoing situation of
argument and strife and possible domestic violence. The
only person at the home at the time of her collapse which
resulted in a lack of oxygen to the brain, causing serious
brain damage, was her husband.
Within 48 hours after she had been admitted to the
hospital, her husband's employer, the owner of a restaurant,
arrived at the hospital. Daniel Grieco, also an attorney,
consulted with Terri's parents outside the Intensive Care
Unit waiting room, recommending that they sign
documents that would allow Schiavo to handle Terri's
medical affairs on the pretense it would expedite Terri's
emergency treatment.
The attorney's rationale was since Terri was barely clinging
to life, vesting Michael Schiavo with this power would
expedite her medical care. Grieco did not mention that
Schiavo would have exclusive power to dictate Terri's
medical treatment and the authority to control the release
of any medical information concerning Terri.
Another Greer Contributor
Since there are no documents in Terri's legal case files
regarding this meeting with Daniel Grieco, that agreement
may have been designed as a short term control solution.
Notably, the document allowed Schaivo to conceal Terri's
hospital admittance records and the ability to filter all of
the doctor's information. (Daniel Grieco was a $300
contributor to the 2004 election campaign of Judge Greer)
As an example, on March 5, 1991, just 53 weeks after
Terri's collapse, a bone scan taken of Terri revealed a
healed broken right femur bone and healed bone fractures
in her ribs, pelvis, spine and ankle. The radiologist, Dr.
Walker, concluded that "Terri has a history of trauma" and
presumed "that the other multiple areas of abnormal
activity also relate to previous trauma". WALKER PDF &
Bone Scan
Despite testimony and sworn affidavits by caregivers
attesting to the alleged abuse, neglect and exploitation of
Terri Schiavo allegedly at the hands of Michael Schiavo,
Greer has steadfastly refused to consider any of the
allegations.
An orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Hamilton, initially saw Terri a
few months after she collapsed. Schiavo never disclosed
this information to any of the Schinder family.
On June 18, 1990, after a conducted investigation declaring
Terri incapacitated, a hearing was held in a St. Petersburg
courtroom appointing Michael Schiavo as Terri's legal
guardian.
The St. Petersburg court files state that Terri's parents were
notified by mail of these events, including the hearing, and
had no objections to Michael Schiavo being appointed
legal guardian.
Terri's parents emphatically state that they did not know of
the investigation which concluded that Terri was
incapacitated or the subsequent court hearing and were
never notified.
Additionally, there is no evidence of any documentation in
Terri's legal case files verifying that Terri's parents
supported Michael Schiavo's guardianship appointment,
other than a reference that Terri's parents were in
agreement. It should be noted that during this
1990 time frame, Terri's parents were in daily contact with
Michael Schiavo and nothing was ever mentioned
regarding these court proceedings by Schiavo or his
attorney. The entire legal guardianship transaction was
handled by attorney Daniel Grieco who later contributed to
Greer's election campaign as did each one of the attorneys
representing Michael Schiavo.
In fact, not only did Hamdin Baskin III contribute the
maximum of $500 to Greer's campaign, but so did his law
partner, Joseph Fleece, thereby the law firm of Baskin and
Fleece contributed a total of $1,000 to Greer's reelection at
the time Baskin was representing Michael Schiavo in the
guardianship proceeding before Greer.
In 1993, the Schindlers filed a petition in Pinellas Circuit
Court, to have Michael Schiavo removed as Terri's
guardian, claiming he was compromised by the money he
had been awarded as the result of medical malpractice
claims against doctors who had been treating Terri prior
to her collapse, and that he was no longer acting in her best
interest.
In August, 1992, Terri was awarded $250,000 in a
settlement by the insurance company of Dr. Joel Prawer
who was later cleared by the state Department of Health of
all negligence in the case. In November, 1992, she was
awarded $1.4 million following the malpractice trial of Dr.
Stephen Igel and Schiavo himself was awarded $600,000
for loss of consortium, giving him a sum of $2.25 million.
A probate judge dismissed the case after an independent
guardian ad litem issued a report stating that he was acting
in her best interests.
For the next five years, the Schindlers were unsuccessful in
their legal maneuvers to get Terri's medical records and
take over their daughter's guardianship. Meanwhile,
Michael Schiavo became involved with another woman.
They became engaged in 1996 and have two children
together.
In 1998, Schiavo filed a petition to have Terri's nutrition
and hydration tube removed. The case when to trial in
February, 2000 before Greer as the probate judge handling
guardianship matters. Based on self-serving hearsay
evidence by Michael Schiavo, inadmissible by law, Greer
ruled that there was "clear and convincing" evidence that
Terri Schiavo would not want to receive assisted feeding
and on Feb.11, 2000, signed her death order allowing her
guardian, Michael Schiavo to remove the assisted feeding
which will cause her death by starvation.
Circuit Investigates Guardians Annually
According to the newsletter of the Sixth Judicial Circuit,
the circuit investigates guardians at least once a year as part
of the court's responsibility in ensuring that the best
interests of the wards are being met. For non-professional
guardians, such as Michael Schiavo, the reinvestigations
are due at the time of filing of the annual accounting or if
the time to file has been extended, then when the annual
accounting is filed with the annual plan.
However, there is no indication that the court has ever
conducted an annual investigation of Michael Schiavo.
The court---and that includes Greer---is required by statute
to review both the guardianship accounting and plan. The
monitoring of a guardianship begins at the initial filing
with the court. Following the initial investigation and filing
by the guardian, according to the newsletter, the court
conducts a follow-up investigation on an annual basis to
insure that parties remain qualified under the law to protect
the rights, health and safety of the individual. A $50
statutory annual fee is required for the initial investigation
and annually thereafter for the guardian of the person and
property and guardian of the property alone. The fee for
guardian of the person, such as Schiavo, is $ $25 upon
filing and annually thereafter. Professional guardians are
required to pay the fee annually and not for every case.
The court is also required to audit all guardianship
reports----therefore, the court must insure that all reports
are filed. In addition, the court must also conduct random
comprehensive filed audits to ensure that the guardians are
acting appropriate regarding their activities to court
accurately. It is the court role of protecting citizens and
assist state in meeting the needs of elderly and
incapacitated population but apparently in the case of
Greer, not only has allowed Michael Schiavo to violate the
guardianship laws by not filing the requisite accountings,
plans and reports, but Greer himself has failed to comply
with the law.
The guardianship court monitor investigates when
appointed by the probate judge to look into a particular
guardianship case. The monitor reviews al internal, annual
and interim guardianship rights and reports the findings to
the court.
Even though Greer has failed to comply with the law in
ensuring that Michael Schiavo is accountable to the court
in protecting the interests of the ward by his required
annual filings, Schiavo is also accountable to the clerk of
circuit court who is now Ken Burke.
Burke took office Jan. 1 after Karleen DeBlaker retired
after more than 20 years in the position.
Clerk Required To Do Annual Review
Burke as clerk of the Sixth Judicial Circuit is required by
law to review each initial and annual guardianship report to
ensure it contains information about the ward; physical and
mental health care, personal and social services, the
residential setting, application of insurance, private
benefits and government benefits, and physical and mental
health exams.
The clerk also undertakes an initial verified inventory of
the annual accounting and is mandated by law within 30
days after the date of filing of initial or annual report of the
guardian of the person complete his or her review of the
report.
Within 90 days of the filing of the initial or annual
guardianship report by the guardian, he is required to audit
the verified inventory or annual accounting and is
mandated to advise the court of the results of audit. The
clerk shall report to the court when a report is not timely
filed.
Therefore, by law, not only is Michael Schiavo required to
file an annual guardianship plan and accounting, but the
court clerk is required to audit same and that audit is part
of the public record and subject to public scrutiny and
review.
http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/0CAC9D4B79
C9A8B985256EC5005D3AED
"Guardianship is an area ripe for fraud and where most
fraud abuse has in fact occurred", DeBlaker has said.
Particularly critical of the way that the Sixth Circuit Court
judges handle guardianships is Robert W. Melton, chief
deputy director internal audit division, certified public
accountant, certified fraud examiner with the Pinellas
County Circuit Court. During public hearings conducted by
the Florida Guardian Task Force appointed by Florida
legislators to address guardianship reform, Melton testified
that in his office was being "stonewalled" in their attempts
to audit guardianship.
According to a report appearing in the April, 2004 issued
of the Gulf Coast Business Review by Francis Gilpin,
associate editor, Melton told the task force that "In Pinellas
County, attempts are being made to limit the clerk's
authority", a county where George Greer is the
Administrative Judge of the Probate Division. "This
ranges from guardians that refuse to submit to an audit
unless a court order is received, to judges that question the
authority of the clerk to use professional auditing staff to
conduct the audits".
While Melton advocates opening the guardianship process
to public review, Greer is opposed to that practice. Melton
said openness would be one way to prevent improprieties,
making public the initial inventories of wards' estates and
the annual accountings of assets that guardians are required
to file with the court. "The lack of public scrutiny breeds
misdeeds and misappropriations because people who may
know the truth would not have access", according to
Melton.
Greer has reportedly said that he sees more potential for
financial abuse by immediate family members who create
guardianships or gain power of attorney status than by
professional guardians. Melton told the task force that there
have been times when a Pinellas judge, whom he did not
name, has prevented clerk's auditors from examining the
entire record of a guardianship case.
Melton told the task force that the assets of wards are being
transferred into pooled trusts that he says operate
imprudently outside the supervision of the courts. He adds
that the real estate of wards is being sold at below-market
prices to land trusts whose owners don't have to be
disclosed. Pooled trusts are promoted as a legal method for
wards to maintain Medicaid eligibility in nursing homes,
according to Melton.
"When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep
auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and
fraud", Melton said.
Former chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez of the 13th Circuit,
Hillsborough County, says that Pinellas County has
historically resisted guardianship reform. Perhaps that's
because there's big money to be made among lawyers and
other players in guardianships---particularly in the
disposition of assets of wards including real and personal
property including real estate, jewelry and antiques in
addition to the guardian fees.
Melton says that Pinellas judges, which include George
Greer, not only keep court records hidden from public view
but are anxious to extend the cloak of secrecy to the audits.
In February, 2004, Melton recommended to Chief Judge
David Demers that he take a closer look at guardianships in
the Sixth Circuit.
Greer recently unsuccessfully challenged Demers for the
position of chief judge of the circuit.
In 2002, the same year as Schindlers filed their previous
petition before Greer for the removal of Schiavo, ignored
by Greer, court auditors concluded that court officials had
failed to monitor guardianships carefully. The clerk's
office, which systematically reviews about 2,400
guardianships in Pinellas County annual, set up a fraud
hotline. Te report suspected fraud in a guardianship to
county auditors, call 727-453-3728.
While conducting audits of guardianship reports, the
Pinellas clerk's office discovered serious irregularities.
Pinellas County state attorney Bernie McCabe confirmed in
2003 that a preliminary inquiry had been initiated by his
office into selected Pinellas guardianships. However,
despite the by then well-publicized failure of Michael
Schiavo to file his required guardianship plans and
accountings, McCabe took no action in that case. He
opened an inquiry into Adult Comprehensive Protection
Services which managed the assets of 300 of the county's
elderly and infirm and which had allegedly mismanaged
the funds of some of the county's most vulnerable residents.
The inquiry was stonewalled when the ACPS attorney
denied access to minutes of the agency's board of directors.
The attorney was Richard Pearse, the former guardian ad
litem in the Terri Schiavo case Pearse had recommended
that the feeding tube not be removed in his GAL report
to Greer in 1999. Thereafter, Schiavo petitioned Greer for
Pearse's removal as GAL and Greer complied. Since then,
Greer has refused to appoint a new guardian ad litem,
acting in the role himself---prohibited by Canon 3 of the
state Code of Judicial Conduct. No judge may serve as a
guardian unless the ward is a member of his own family.
Melton and other critics say the court system favors the
guardian. When court challenges are raised to a
guardianship as in the Schiavo case, the proof needed by
the petitioner is in documents which are sealed by the
court---and Greer----claiming its for the protection of
the ward. When complaints are made to law enforcement
agencies such as in the Schiavo case, officials such as
McCabe---with a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer,
and former Sheriff Everett Rice who also had a prohibited
conflict of interest with Greer as well as being a member of
the board of directors of the Hospice Foundation of Florida
Suncoast, a subsidiary of the corporation operating the
hospice where Terri Schiavi is a resident, claim it's a civil
matter being handled by the courts.
According to critics, guardianships are based on the
assumption that the court will provide oversight, the
guardian will be honest and discharge his duties toward the
ward responsibly.
"When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep
the auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and
fraud", De Blaker and Melton told the task force. "The
practices I have seen in the short time I have been involved
in guardianships is shocking", Melton said. "It's time to put
an end to unscrupulous practices at the expense of our
state's most vulnerable citizens".
Politically connected attorneys who stand to profit
handsomely from guardianship fees are involved with
alleged guardianship abuse. In Greer's 2004 reelection
campaign, a massive $144,000 was raised in campaign
contributions, said to be the largest amount ever raised in a
judicial campaign. More than half of those contributors
were attorneys----attorneys whose practices in real estate,
probate, wills and elder law stand to profit greatly from
guardianships to which they are court appointed by probate
judges such as George W. Greer. .
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Where's Tom Potter?
Brain dead?
Did someone pull his feeding tube?
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