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15 Oct 2005 03:38:59 PM |
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It's a pity ain't it |
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
He could have made his vectors short enough - since s=(16'/sec^2)t^2 -
that they would have blended right into the elliptical curvature of
orbital motion.
Too bad; so sad(;^)
Don
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16 Oct 2005 07:26:10 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
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It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
sr
He could have made his vectors short enough - since s=(16'/sec^2)t^2 -
that they would have blended right into the elliptical curvature of
orbital motion.
Too bad; so sad(;^)
Don
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16 Oct 2005 07:53:12 AM |
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Steve Ralph wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129408739.286364.314130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
sr
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something we
need?
There are more important things we need to study.
He could have made his vectors short enough - since s=(16'/sec^2)t^2 -
that they would have blended right into the elliptical curvature of
orbital motion.
Too bad; so sad(;^)
Don
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16 Oct 2005 08:06:06 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> writes:
Steve Ralph wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129408739.286364.314130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something
we need?
Uh, because it is something we need? In quite more than one
discipline, by the way, but certainly so in physics.
There are more important things we need to study.
That might hold for you, but most others have learnt those things in
primary school already.
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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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16 Oct 2005 09:26:10 AM |
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David Kastrup wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> writes:
Steve Ralph wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129408739.286364.314130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something
we need?
Uh, because it is something we need? In quite more than one
discipline, by the way, but certainly so in physics.
There are more important things we need to study.
That might hold for you, but most others have learnt those things in
primary school already.
Yes, and wasted college years.
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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:29:05 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
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David Kastrup wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> writes:
Steve Ralph wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129408739.286364.314130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd
a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per
second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved
us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something
we need?
Uh, because it is something we need? In quite more than one
discipline, by the way, but certainly so in physics.
There are more important things we need to study.
That might hold for you, but most others have learnt those things in
primary school already.
Yes, and wasted college years.
Why do you revel in ignorance Don?
sr
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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07 Nov 2005 02:18:55 PM |
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In article <85br1p3935.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>, says...
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> writes:
Steve Ralph wrote:
"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129408739.286364.314130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Only for those who are too incompetent to understand basic calculus
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something
we need?
Uh, because it is something we need? In quite more than one
discipline, by the way, but certainly so in physics.
There are more important things we need to study.
That might hold for you, but most others have learnt those things in
primary school already.
I've recently re-subscribed to sci.physics after not following it for
several years. I am astounded at the amount of success this Don1
character is able to attain in his attempts to troll this newsgroup.
They are blantantly obvious and amature trolls but he gets tons of
replys and some threads that he starts go on and on and on.
John Black
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| User: "Herman Trivilino" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:56:34 AM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote ...
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
But it wouldn't produce a model that matches what's observed. The reason
for the invention of physics is to produce models that match what we
observe.
Why even try to understand _basic_ calculus, if it isn't something we
need?
There are more important things we need to study.
Don't you remember the lesson you learned from the Plymouth Prowler? The
model based on constant acceleration (the lesson you learned from Galileo)
won't work when the acceleration isn't constant. It may satisfy you on some
philosophical level, but it doesn't match what's observed in Nature.
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16 Oct 2005 12:11:09 PM |
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What's your objection to calculus? You dispute the postulate that the
real world is continuous? Certainly you don't objection to the use of
fractions - are you familar with the construction of the real numbers
and how to properly inturpret their meaning?
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| User: "PD" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:33:34 AM |
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Don1 wrote:
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Galileo's observations were, and applied only to, objects near the
surface of the Earth.
Newton did the exceptional step of asking whether that could be
extended to the moon in free fall orbit around the Earth, or planets in
free fall around the sun. He found that it could, but not by using the
16' per second per second rule that Galileo used. For the extension, he
needed a new mathematical tool. Hance, calculus.
He could have made his vectors short enough - since s=(16'/sec^2)t^2 -
that they would have blended right into the elliptical curvature of
orbital motion.
Unfortunately, the free-fall acceleration of the moon is nowhere near
16'/sec^2. Had he assumed it was, he would have immediately found the
error.
Too bad; so sad(;^)
Don
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| User: "tadchem" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:42:35 PM |
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PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Galileo's observations were, and applied only to, objects near the
surface of the Earth.
Newton did the exceptional step of asking whether that could be
extended to the moon in free fall orbit around the Earth, or planets in
free fall around the sun. He found that it could, but not by using the
16' per second per second rule that Galileo used. For the extension, he
needed a new mathematical tool. Hance, calculus.
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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08 Nov 2005 09:07:26 PM |
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"tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil> wrote in message
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I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Seated on his own shoulders.
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09 Nov 2005 06:50:08 AM |
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"operator jay" <none@none.none> wrote in message
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"tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil> wrote in message
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I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Seated on his own shoulders.
Touché...
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08 Nov 2005 10:13:51 PM |
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operator jay wrote:
"tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil> wrote in message
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I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Seated on his own shoulders.
Which conjures up an obvious mental image...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/dos0711/head_up_your_ass2.jpg
PD
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09 Nov 2005 02:40:15 AM |
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tadchem wrote:
I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Or perhaps:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
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09 Nov 2005 06:54:44 PM |
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Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
news:dksclf1jt6@enews2.newsguy.com:
tadchem wrote:
I infer that Don1 sees what he sees by standing upon his own shoulders.
Or perhaps:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Bob
An obvious self portrait, as Bob Cain is well known for labeling others
with his own personal character flaws.
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09 Nov 2005 09:40:25 PM |
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wrote:
An obvious self portrait, as Bob Cain is well known for labeling others
with his own personal character flaws.
uuu is Gary Sokolich. He is enchanted with me and stalks me wherever I
post.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
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19 Nov 2005 06:18:23 PM |
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Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
news:dkuff4014ik@enews3.newsguy.com:
uuu is Gary Sokolich. He is enchanted with me and stalks me wherever I
post.
Bob
Only three lies in two sentences. You're slipping.
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19 Nov 2005 08:32:08 PM |
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"Gary Sokolich" <sokolich@google.com> wrote in message
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Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
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uuu is Gary Sokolich. He is enchanted with me and stalks me wherever I
post.
Bob
Only three lies in two sentences. You're slipping.
You certainly seem to be a stalker, Suck-or-lick.
How long did it take you to think up that witty reply?
Never mind, I'm not interested in you or Ark-ane.
*plonk*
Androcles.
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08 Nov 2005 04:25:01 PM |
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tadchem wrote:
PD wrote:
Don1 wrote:
It's a pity that Newton didn't take a lesson from Galileo: Then he'd a
known that bodies free fall a distance of 16' per second, per second,
and wooden a had to invent his method of integrating changes in
velocity (vt-vi) for his infinitesimal calculus. That wood a saved us
all a lot of grief:
Galileo's observations were, and applied only to, objects near the
surface of the Earth.
Newton did the exceptional step of asking whether that could be
extended to the moon in free fall orbit around the Earth, or planets in
free fall around the sun. He found that it could, but not by using the
16' per second per second rule that Galileo used. For the extension, he
needed a new mathematical tool. Hance, calculus.
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675 [...]
"I would have seen further, were it not for the giants standing on my
shoulders." -- Anon.
--- Christopher Heckman
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09 Nov 2005 07:01:44 AM |
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tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
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09 Nov 2005 11:37:54 AM |
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Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
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09 Nov 2005 01:47:12 PM |
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"Double-A" <double-a@hush.ai> wrote in message
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<snip>
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Where I live you can get arrested for even letting your ornaments hang out
on a bridge.
But I think Don1 is safe since his ornaments would never attract any
attention.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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09 Nov 2005 01:35:32 PM |
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Double-A wrote:
Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
The best part is that after twenty years of retirement, I've yet to
hear of any of my bridges falling; hope I never do.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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09 Nov 2005 03:42:27 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
The best part is that after twenty years of retirement, I've yet to
hear of any of my bridges falling; hope I never do.
....and how many bridges did 'you' build?
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09 Nov 2005 04:56:16 PM |
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Eric Gisse wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
The best part is that after twenty years of retirement, I've yet to
hear of any of my bridges falling; hope I never do.
...and how many bridges did 'you' build?
None. I designed a few, and consequently; _call_ them mine.
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09 Nov 2005 09:28:19 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
The best part is that after twenty years of retirement, I've yet to
hear of any of my bridges falling; hope I never do.
...and how many bridges did 'you' build?
None. I designed a few, and consequently; _call_ them mine.
....and what exactly was your contribution to the design process?
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10 Nov 2005 05:51:15 AM |
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Eric Gisse wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Don1 wrote:
Double-A wrote:
Don1 wrote:
tadchem wrote:
Snip<
"If I have seen further [than certain other men] it is by standing upon
the shoulders of giants." - Isaac Newton, Letter to Robert Hooke,
February 5, 1675
Newton knew that Hooke was one of the head scientists of their day, and
while I'm sure he was sincere, he knew that a little flattery wouldn't
hurt his own cause.
Today we all still need our "blanky", and what better than a leading
institution of learning, where all our peers have a common goal? Where
CERN can be worked on by all, and provide us with plenty of
comradeliness.
Newton was a loner and learned a good deal of what he new by empirical
trial and error, without the blessing of most of his peers: Standing on
his own two feet.
That's how Don 1 became a bridge designer, and if you subscribe to his
only skill being the design of ornamental bridge railing, your a bigger
fool than most fools.
Hang on to your blanky;^)
Did any of your ornaments ever fall off a bridge?
Most?
The best part is that after twenty years of retirement, I've yet to
hear of any of my bridges falling; hope I never do.
...and how many bridges did 'you' build?
None. I designed a few, and consequently; _call_ them mine.
...and what exactly was your contribution to the design process?
They paid me for sitting at a desk.
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| User: "Tice with a J" |
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| Title: Re: It's a pity ain't it |
07 Nov 2005 02:42:50 PM |
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Don1: I think you'll find that gravity is much more variable than you
suggest. After all, do objects on the moon fall at 16 feet per second
squared?
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