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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "JSH"
Date: 16 Jan 2008 09:16:52 PM
Object: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved
There is a significant development to report which means I need to
come back and give additional information to this group as I'm still
concerned that mathematicians may fail in their duty to report these
findings. That development is an easy proof that what I call the
factoring congruences must work, and work well.
So now I can quickly and easily explain what the result is, and how
and why it works.
What I did was study a system of two rather simple equations:
x^2 = y^2 + pr_1
and
z^2 = y^2 + nT
where T is the target to be factored, and all the variables must be
integers. What I did to probe the equations was connect x and z
together with
z = x + ak
where I used two variables for that when it might seem like you could
use one (which I did at first).
Now I'll give you the information to help you understand how obvious
it must be that the solution I found is correct, as there are an
infinity of solutions with integers for the top equation given the
bottom one.
For example with z^2 = y^2 + 21, I have that y=2 is a solution, which
gives z = 5. Now with that y, there are an infinite number of integer
solutions for pr_1, where I'll give a few with their factors to help
readers understand several crucial points:
pr_1 = (5)(1) = 5, pr_1 = (6)(2) = 12, pr_1 = (7)(3) = 21,
pr_1 = (8)(4) = 32, pr_1 = (9)(5) = 45,
pr_1 = (10)(6) = 60, and pr_1 = (11)(7) = 77.
Remember, y = 2, so in each case adding 4 must give a square and it
does. Notice importantly I just advance the factors by 1, and, of
course, since you just step up by 1, every prime is a potential p, so
there is an answer for every prime.
I did this stepping out yesterday and realized that several
requirements I had put on nT were wrong, as it doesn't have to be odd
and can have 3 as a factor. For each of those values above, it's
trivial to find an x, as y is set, and, of course, for any integer x,
and integer z, there must exist an integer z-x, so since z-x= ak, ak
must exist.
So there are always solutions, for every prime p. Now I had to use
ak, instead of just one variable because I also have as a key
equation: k = 2ax mod p
Now that may seem to come out of the blue, but it's a deliberate
introduction to force
z = x + ak
as consider that of course then 2ax = k mod p, and to make that
explicit I'll let 2ax = k + pr_2
x^2 = y^2 + pr_1 and 2ax = k + pr_2
it makes sense to multiply the latter by k, so that you have
x^2 = y^2 + pr_1
and
2axk = k^2 + kpr_2
and then add them to get
x^2 + 2axk = y^2 + k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2)
which just begs for completing the square by adding a^2 k^2 to both
sides and simplifying a bit I get
(x+ak)^2 = y^2 + (1 + a^2) k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2)
and compare with
z^2 = y^2 + nT
and you have that z=x+ak, when
nT = (1 + a^2) k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2).
The skeptical among you can simply solve for k, using the quadratic
formula and look to see when
it is rational--remember that r_1 and r_2 are completely free
integers.
Now it's trivial to get the main factoring congruences:
z = (2a)^{-1} (1 + 2a^2)k mod p
k^2 = (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) mod p
and it's possible to also solve for y:
y = (1+2a^2)^{-1} z mod p, or y = -(1+2a^2)^{-1} z mod p.
Those results follow from that result that is so much about just
completing the square so it's easy algebra, and that stepping out with
values for pr_1 shows how you can get any prime.
But now you can easily show that the results solve the factoring
problem, as given a T that is the product of two primes, it must be
true that if p>sqrt(T), then p must be greater than the lesser prime
unless T=p^2. And with z mod p and y mod p, you can get z-y mod p and
z+y mod p, so you get residues modulo p of the factors since with
z^2 = y^2 + nT, you have trivially that (z-y)(z+y) = nT.
So, if you loop through all values for 'a' with n=1, then you have it
with mathematical certainty that you will get cases where z-y mod p or
z+y mod p just gives you one of the prime factors of T, directly.
Example: Let T=119, p=11. I find that a=2 will work and give me k=2
mod 11 as an answer.
Then z = 2(1+8)/4 mod 11 = 7/4 mod 11 = 10 mod 11.
And I can find y, from y^2 = 100 - 119 mod 11 = 3 mod 11 (or use the
formulas above), so
y=5 mod 11 will work, and then z-y = 5 mod 11 and z+y = 4 mod 11, but
I have something interesting here as I need to subtract 11, to get
z-y = -6 mod 11 and z+y = -7 mod 11.
The congruences will do the same thing without regard to the size of
the number if n=1, and you loop through the a's that work, where the
only other answers have to be for the trivial case where 119 is the
factor, so it can only bounce between two sets of values, where one
WILL factor your target.
But that is with n=1. You can also just set 'a' to some value and
then pick an n that will give you a k, as remember:
k^2 = (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) mod p
so (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) must be a quadratic residue modulo p. But if you
pick 'a' then you can ALWAYS find an n such that it is, but now you'd
need a prime about the size of sqrt(nT), and then z-y mod p and z+y
mod p would have to give residues of the factors of nT modulo p, where
you'd just look for a case where the target got split.
That would be REALLY FAST as unlike the approach with n=1, where you
have to resolve a quadratic residue and search through values for 'a',
here you are picking the quadratic residue yourself, by setting 'a'
and solving for n.
So that means the congruence relations solve the factoring problem,
and proof that they must is fairly trivial to step through.
Remember, most of the mathematical work is just completing the square,
and the two equations work together as a system. But mathematicians
have traditionally studied just equations like z^2 = y^2 + nT as their
full system and found various approaches to factoring in that way.
I added another equation to the system and found the mathematical laws
governing its behavior, and can easily prove then how you factor with
those laws. These laws were previously unknown to mathematicians.
So I used more information with a more robust system than
mathematicians traditionally used, which is what people call thinking
out of the box.
But rather than acknowledge this result, so far mathematicians have
for the most part sat quietly, but if it is true--and you can check
the easy algebra for yourself--then factoring is solved as a problem,
but my understanding is that presuming it is a hard problem is the
basis for RSA encryption and factoring the public key used in that
system can allow you to decrypt messages encrypted with it.
If so, then I fear that as of now the RSA system is defunct, but so
far no one is telling the world, but me.
James Harris
.

User: "aoc"

Title: Re: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 03:01:09 PM
"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e394c0aa-e4b1-46e3-9be8-fe30925f61f1@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

There is a significant development to report which means I need to
come back and give additional information to this group as I'm still
concerned that mathematicians may fail in their duty to report these
findings.

We have in place all academic blocks, and node blocks, and have re-notified
the industrial military complex of this JSH threat, proper action is
currently underway by the AOC "association of old crows" and will conclude
with re-institutional confinement by this weekend.
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 10:30:44 AM
JSH wrote:


There is a significant development to report which means I need to
come back and give additional information to this group as I'm still
concerned that mathematicians may fail in their duty to report these
findings. That development is an easy proof that what I call the
factoring congruences must work, and work well.

[snip crap]
Fucking imbecile.
1) HEY STOOOPID... Factor an RSA binary product, make your self
beaucoup bucks, and prove you're not dogshit scraped on a curb with
disgust.
2) HEY STOOOPID... Give us the sum of the reciprocals of all twin
primes to at least 10 significant figures from 3,5 to infinity.
Hint: The answer is less than 3 and you only need twin primes through
1.6x10^15 to get there.
(1/3 + 1/5) + (1/5 + 1/7) + (1/11 + 1/13) + (1/17 + 1/19)...
3) Ode to James Harris
Somebody said it couldn't be done,
But James with a chuckle replied
That "maybe it couldn't," but he would be one
Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
So James buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
James started to sing and he tackled the thing
And James never fucking could do it.
Somebody scoffed: "Oh, you'll never do that;
At least no one has ever done it";
But James took off his coat and he took off his hat,
And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
James started to sing and he tackled the thing
And James never fucking could do it.
There are thousands to tell James it cannot be done,
There are thousands to prophesy failure;
There are thousands to point out to James, one by one,
"How hopeless that task set before you."
But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
James take off your coat and go to it;
Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
And James, you'll never fucking do it.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
.

User: "Bob Cain"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 12:55:49 AM
JSH wrote:

But rather than acknowledge this result, so far mathematicians have
for the most part sat quietly, but if it is true--and you can check
the easy algebra for yourself--then factoring is solved as a problem,
but my understanding is that presuming it is a hard problem is the
basis for RSA encryption and factoring the public key used in that
system can allow you to decrypt messages encrypted with it.

If so, then I fear that as of now the RSA system is defunct, but so
far no one is telling the world, but me.

How about writing your out-of-the-box procedure down as a Matlab function (named
for example, factor()) so we can check it out.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
.
User: "JSH"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 06:51:38 PM
On Jan 16, 10:55 pm, Bob Cain <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote:

JSH wrote:

But rather than acknowledge this result, so far mathematicians have
for the most part sat quietly, but if it is true--and you can check
the easy algebra for yourself--then factoring is solved as a problem,
but my understanding is that presuming it is a hard problem is the
basis for RSA encryption and factoring the public key used in that
system can allow you to decrypt messages encrypted with it.


If so, then I fear that as of now the RSA system is defunct, but so
far no one is telling the world, but me.


How about writing your out-of-the-box procedure down as a Matlab function (named
for example, factor()) so we can check it out.

Bob

Oh, no, I won't do that, as I've explained enough and in enough detail
that anyone intrigued who is a solid physicist with a solid math
background can go from there.
The crucial point is the existence proof which is wrapped up in that
long post! And the reality of the two equations to the system.
Given the classically known z^2 = y^2 mod T, I've proven not only that
there is another equation in there, but also that it is a decision
equation: x^2 = y^2 mod p, where p is a prime number.
So there are two equations where mathematicians working on the
factoring problem focused on one, and I can trivially do some
derivations to get some underlying mathematical laws which were
previously unknown to mathematicians.
That's the easy information gleaned from my post.
The massive intellects among you can go from there to figure out the
rest. The rest of you can wait until the heavy lifting is done, and
you're informed of what is happening by people who can explain it to
you.
James Harris
.
User: "Bob Cain"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 08:59:51 PM
JSH wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:55 pm, Bob Cain <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote:


How about writing your out-of-the-box procedure down as a Matlab function (named
for example, factor()) so we can check it out.

Bob


Oh, no, I won't do that, as I've explained enough and in enough detail
that anyone intrigued who is a solid physicist with a solid math
background can go from there.

Then you are either a fraud or are showing the very lack of interest in your
work that you accuse others of. There is no conceivable sane reason to refuse
to write the program other than knowing that it can't be done. Whether that is
itself sane behavior in the context of your grand claims is an open issue.


The crucial point is the existence proof which is wrapped up in that
long post! And the reality of the two equations to the system.

[remaining yada-yada snipped]
Give it over or give it up. There are no other sane options.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
.
User: "JSH"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 11:59:36 AM
On Jan 17, 6:59 pm, Bob Cain <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote:

JSH wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:55 pm, Bob Cain <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote:


How about writing your out-of-the-box procedure down as a Matlab function (named
for example, factor()) so we can check it out.


Bob


Oh, no, I won't do that, as I've explained enough and in enough detail
that anyone intrigued who is a solid physicist with a solid math
background can go from there.


Then you are either a fraud or are showing the very lack of interest in your
work that you accuse others of. There is no conceivable sane reason to refuse
to write the program other than knowing that it can't be done. Whether that is
itself sane behavior in the context of your grand claims is an open issue.

The mathematics is simple enough that if it works other people will
use it.
So I play the role of theoretician.
Saying I must be the one to do both theory and experiment is like
saying that in physics any good theoretician must also be able to test
his theories out as an experimentalist.
What is being used against me is really a political argument with the
supposition at the start that I'm just some crackpot mouthing off,
which allows math people to avoid following their own rules.
But they've done that to me before.
I will sit back and just present the information. If you're right,
then nothing happens.
If you're wrong the evidence may be one day you go to get money from
your bank account and find that it's empty, and all records say you
took it out.
Or, like with the report of cyberattacks against cities, you may just
wake up one day to no power.
Information is power.
These ideas may not be as direct as atomic theory when it comes to
atomic weaponry but they can be quite potent in terms of real impact
and for better or for worse the failures of the math community are
making us all go into strange territory.
My major concern if I were to personally implement when I know that
the math field is corrupt is their next appeal would be to George W.
Bush to make me disappear claiming that it would be too much of an
impact on the world for the truth to be known.
So you people are really a hedge against a scenario where I get killed
for my discovery.
If I demonstrate by factoring an RSA public key, then they could move
very, very, very fast, and all any of you would know is that I stopped
posting, and the information could be swallowed up, just like that,
and I'd be a modern tragedy that few people might even know ever was.
James Harris
.
User: "Bob Cain"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 20 Jan 2008 10:14:05 PM
JSH wrote:

The mathematics is simple enough that if it works other people will
use it.

So I play the role of theoretician.

No, you are peddling a fraud and you well know it.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 04:37:31 PM
JSH wrote:
[snip crap]

The mathematics is simple enough that if it works other people will
use it.

Your math is crap. Your math si demonstrated to be crap.

So I play the role of theoretician.

You boast the role of loud dunce. Defecating a loose movement in
somebody's parlor does not make you a performance artist. Clean up
your mess adn go home.
[snip crap]

If I demonstrate by factoring an RSA public key, then they could move
very, very, very fast, and all any of you would know is that I stopped
posting, and the information could be swallowed up, just like that,
and I'd be a modern tragedy that few people might even know ever was.

Pendejo. Idiot.
No cat, no cradle.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
.
User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 05:11:46 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:47927BAB.848A1843@hate.spam.net...
Open sewer with Schwartztord floating (River of *****) snipped.
http://tinyurl.com/2g2ukd
20 Aug 2003, 21:16
| Hey stupid:
| 1) Newton summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = V1 + V2
| 2) Special Relativity summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = (V1 + V2)/[1
+(V1)(V2)/c^2]
| There's the math. Now you can ***** and moan about an inertial observer.
| We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
HEY FUCKHEAD!
We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
| [@] Among the reasons it is unphysical is the fact that the
| composition of two velocities to the right can result in a
| velocity to the left. Another reason is that "time" acts
| just like "space". Neither of these are true in the world
| we inhabit.
|
|
| Tom Roberts
No aether.
No fucking aether.
NO FUCKIN' AETHER.
NO FUCKING AETHER, DUMBFUCK!
NO ***** FUCKING AETHER, YOU USELESS PILE OF *****!
TAKE YOUR POXY AETHER AND SHOVE IT UP YER ARSE,
YOU MORON!!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
The pencil is broken. Don't like empirical observations, Schwartzshit?
Fuckhead.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
"BTW, you *****-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Schwartzshit, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley."
http://tinyurl.com/3pwu
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 05:51:50 PM
Androcles wrote:
[snip crap]
Nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
.
User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 06:20:35 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:47928D16.5EC85915@hate.spam.net...
Open sewer with Schwartztord floating (River of *****) snipped.
http://tinyurl.com/2g2ukd
20 Aug 2003, 21:16
| Hey stupid:
| 1) Newton summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = V1 + V2
| 2) Special Relativity summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = (V1 + V2)/[1
+(V1)(V2)/c^2]
| There's the math. Now you can ***** and moan about an inertial observer.
| We'll proactively play it your way, *****. -- Schwartzshit.
HEY FUCKHEAD!
We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
| [@] Among the reasons it is unphysical is the fact that the
| composition of two velocities to the right can result in a
| velocity to the left. Another reason is that "time" acts
| just like "space". Neither of these are true in the world
| we inhabit.
|
|
| Tom Roberts
No aether.
No fucking aether.
NO FUCKIN' AETHER.
NO FUCKING AETHER, DUMBFUCK!
NO ***** FUCKING AETHER, YOU USELESS PILE OF *****!
TAKE YOUR POXY AETHER AND SHOVE IT UP YER ARSE,
YOU MORON!!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
The pencil is broken. Don't like empirical observations, Schwartzshit?
Fuckhead.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
"BTW, you *****-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Schwartzshit, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley."
http://tinyurl.com/3pwu
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 07:26:12 PM
Androclitty wrote:
[snip crap]
Nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 20 Jan 2008 04:44:42 AM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4792A334.FF050D8D@hate.spam.net...
| Androclitty wrote:
| [snip crap]
|
| Nothing.
Head up arse, can't see.
Ignorant *****.
.



User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 06:20:35 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:47928D16.5EC85915@hate.spam.net...
Open sewer with Schwartztord floating (River of *****) snipped.
http://tinyurl.com/2g2ukd
20 Aug 2003, 21:16
| Hey stupid:
| 1) Newton summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = V1 + V2
| 2) Special Relativity summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = (V1 + V2)/[1
+(V1)(V2)/c^2]
| There's the math. Now you can ***** and moan about an inertial observer.
| We'll proactively play it your way, *****. -- Schwartzshit.
HEY FUCKHEAD!
We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
| [@] Among the reasons it is unphysical is the fact that the
| composition of two velocities to the right can result in a
| velocity to the left. Another reason is that "time" acts
| just like "space". Neither of these are true in the world
| we inhabit.
|
|
| Tom Roberts
No aether.
No fucking aether.
NO FUCKIN' AETHER.
NO FUCKING AETHER, DUMBFUCK!
NO ***** FUCKING AETHER, YOU USELESS PILE OF *****!
TAKE YOUR POXY AETHER AND SHOVE IT UP YER ARSE,
YOU MORON!!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
The pencil is broken. Don't like empirical observations, Schwartzshit?
Fuckhead.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
"BTW, you *****-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Schwartzshit, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley."
http://tinyurl.com/3pwu
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 07:26:39 PM
Androclitty wrote:
[snip crap]
Nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 20 Jan 2008 04:44:43 AM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4792A34F.33C1B6D6@hate.spam.net...
| Androclitty wrote:
| [snip crap]
|
| Nothing.
Head up arse, can't see.
Ignorant *****.
.






User: "Rotwang"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 02:13:42 PM
On 19 Jan, 17:59, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:

The mathematics is simple enough that if it works other people will
use it.

So I play the role of theoretician.

Saying I must be the one to do both theory and experiment is like
saying that in physics any good theoretician must also be able to test
his theories out as an experimentalist.

This is an utterly bogus analogy and you know it. Testing physical
theories requires significant expertise, time, equipment and in some
cases billions of dollars and sixteen miles of underground tunnels.
Theoretical physicists don't have those things. On the other hand,
testing a factoring method which you claim can factor RSA-sized
composites in ten minutes on a desktop computer requires a desktop
computer, the ability to program and approximately eleven minutes. You
have all of those things.
Regarding your oft-repeated analogy about Einstein and the atomic
bomb: had Einstein actually claimed that he could build an atomic bomb
then people would have been perfectly justified in asking him to
demonstrate, but he didn't. You *have* repeatedly claimed to be able
to factor RSA-sized composites. (In fact nobody knew for sure whether
building an atomic bomb was feasible before the Manhattan Project -
the reason that the Germans gave up trying was because Heisenberg
miscalculated the critical mass of uranium required and decided that
it *wasn't* feasible, though some people believe he did so on
purpose).
Of course, the reason that many people suggest you try factoring a
large number, even if you keep the answer to yourself as Jesse Hughes
suggested, is for your own benefit. You readily admit that you've been
mistaken about proof in the past, and if you're honest with yourself
you must also realise that it was often incredibly difficult to make
you /realise/ that you were mistaken - how long did it take you to
realise that rings need not be closed under convergent series, for
example? About a year after you condescendingly questioned the
mathematical ability of the people who tried to explain it to you,
right? If you have really solved the factoring problem then factoring
an RSA challenge number without telling anyone about it should take a
few minutes of your time. If you haven't then trying and failing will
make you realise that you haven't, but since you care so much about
the truth that's a good thing, yes? So what have you got to lose?
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User: "Randy Poe"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 19 Jan 2008 12:11:48 PM
On Jan 19, 12:59 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:

So you people are really a hedge against a scenario where I get killed
for my discovery.

"Sneakers". I saw that movie too.

If I demonstrate by factoring an RSA public key, then they could move
very, very, very fast, and all any of you would know is that I stopped
posting, and the information could be swallowed up, just like that,
and I'd be a modern tragedy that few people might even know ever was.

On the other hand, if you demonstrate by factoring numbers of
4, 5, ..., 9 digits to measure scalability (you know that concept,
right?) or factor an old, already factored RSA challenge number,
then there's no threat, no problem.
- Randy
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User: ""

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 18 Jan 2008 03:36:21 PM
On Jan 17, 9:59 pm, Bob Cain <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote:

Then you are either a fraud or are showing the very lack of interest in your
work that you accuse others of. There is no conceivable sane reason to refuse
to write the program other than knowing that it can't be done. Whether that is
itself sane behavior in the context of your grand claims is an open issue.

James always has lots of excuses for failing to follow through
on his claims. His favorite excuse for not factoring a number
is that he doesn't want to be responsible for the collapse of
the world economy. Other times he'll say that he's just the
"idea guy" and others are responsible for practical applications
of his ideas.
The real reason is much simpler, of course. It's not important
to James whether he's right or wrong. At some level he probably
realizes he's wrong.
All that matters to James is the possibility that his grand
claims will result in someone, somewhere, behaving as if they
believe James is an important person. Anything that might
achieve that goal is acceptable, regardless of how foolish it
makes James look.
--
"I am a true, living super genius" -- James Harris
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User: "Randy Poe"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 17 Jan 2008 11:31:01 AM
On Jan 16, 10:16 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:

But rather than acknowledge this result, so far mathematicians have
for the most part sat quietly, but if it is true--and you can check
the easy algebra for yourself--then factoring is solved as a problem,
but my understanding is that presuming it is a hard problem is the
basis for RSA encryption and factoring the public key used in that
system can allow you to decrypt messages encrypted with it.

If so, then I fear that as of now the RSA system is defunct, but so
far no one is telling the world, but me.

How much time does your method take to factor RSA-140 (one of the
oldest of the challenge numbers, factored in 1999), and
what factors did you obtain?
- Randy
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User: "Eric Gisse"

Title: Re: JSH: Update, factoring problem solved 16 Jan 2008 11:15:08 PM
On Jan 16, 6:16 pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a significant development to report which means I need to
come back and give additional information to this group as I'm still
concerned that mathematicians may fail in their duty to report these
findings. That development is an easy proof that what I call the
factoring congruences must work, and work well.

So now I can quickly and easily explain what the result is, and how
and why it works.

What I did was study a system of two rather simple equations:

x^2 = y^2 + pr_1

and

z^2 = y^2 + nT

where T is the target to be factored, and all the variables must be
integers. What I did to probe the equations was connect x and z
together with

z = x + ak

where I used two variables for that when it might seem like you could
use one (which I did at first).

Now I'll give you the information to help you understand how obvious
it must be that the solution I found is correct, as there are an
infinity of solutions with integers for the top equation given the
bottom one.

For example with z^2 = y^2 + 21, I have that y=2 is a solution, which
gives z = 5. Now with that y, there are an infinite number of integer
solutions for pr_1, where I'll give a few with their factors to help
readers understand several crucial points:

pr_1 = (5)(1) = 5, pr_1 = (6)(2) = 12, pr_1 = (7)(3) = 21,

pr_1 = (8)(4) = 32, pr_1 = (9)(5) = 45,

pr_1 = (10)(6) = 60, and pr_1 = (11)(7) = 77.

Remember, y = 2, so in each case adding 4 must give a square and it
does. Notice importantly I just advance the factors by 1, and, of
course, since you just step up by 1, every prime is a potential p, so
there is an answer for every prime.

I did this stepping out yesterday and realized that several
requirements I had put on nT were wrong, as it doesn't have to be odd
and can have 3 as a factor. For each of those values above, it's
trivial to find an x, as y is set, and, of course, for any integer x,
and integer z, there must exist an integer z-x, so since z-x= ak, ak
must exist.

So there are always solutions, for every prime p. Now I had to use
ak, instead of just one variable because I also have as a key
equation: k = 2ax mod p

Now that may seem to come out of the blue, but it's a deliberate
introduction to force

z = x + ak

as consider that of course then 2ax = k mod p, and to make that
explicit I'll let 2ax = k + pr_2

x^2 = y^2 + pr_1 and 2ax = k + pr_2

it makes sense to multiply the latter by k, so that you have

x^2 = y^2 + pr_1

and

2axk = k^2 + kpr_2

and then add them to get

x^2 + 2axk = y^2 + k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2)

which just begs for completing the square by adding a^2 k^2 to both
sides and simplifying a bit I get

(x+ak)^2 = y^2 + (1 + a^2) k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2)

and compare with

z^2 = y^2 + nT

and you have that z=x+ak, when

nT = (1 + a^2) k^2 + p(r_1 + kr_2).

The skeptical among you can simply solve for k, using the quadratic
formula and look to see when
it is rational--remember that r_1 and r_2 are completely free
integers.

Now it's trivial to get the main factoring congruences:

z = (2a)^{-1} (1 + 2a^2)k mod p

k^2 = (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) mod p

and it's possible to also solve for y:

y = (1+2a^2)^{-1} z mod p, or y = -(1+2a^2)^{-1} z mod p.

Those results follow from that result that is so much about just
completing the square so it's easy algebra, and that stepping out with
values for pr_1 shows how you can get any prime.

But now you can easily show that the results solve the factoring
problem, as given a T that is the product of two primes, it must be
true that if p>sqrt(T), then p must be greater than the lesser prime
unless T=p^2. And with z mod p and y mod p, you can get z-y mod p and
z+y mod p, so you get residues modulo p of the factors since with

z^2 = y^2 + nT, you have trivially that (z-y)(z+y) = nT.

So, if you loop through all values for 'a' with n=1, then you have it
with mathematical certainty that you will get cases where z-y mod p or
z+y mod p just gives you one of the prime factors of T, directly.

Example: Let T=119, p=11. I find that a=2 will work and give me k=2
mod 11 as an answer.

Then z = 2(1+8)/4 mod 11 = 7/4 mod 11 = 10 mod 11.

And I can find y, from y^2 = 100 - 119 mod 11 = 3 mod 11 (or use the
formulas above), so

y=5 mod 11 will work, and then z-y = 5 mod 11 and z+y = 4 mod 11, but
I have something interesting here as I need to subtract 11, to get

z-y = -6 mod 11 and z+y = -7 mod 11.

The congruences will do the same thing without regard to the size of
the number if n=1, and you loop through the a's that work, where the
only other answers have to be for the trivial case where 119 is the
factor, so it can only bounce between two sets of values, where one
WILL factor your target.

But that is with n=1. You can also just set 'a' to some value and
then pick an n that will give you a k, as remember:

k^2 = (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) mod p

so (a^2+1)^{-1}(nT) must be a quadratic residue modulo p. But if you
pick 'a' then you can ALWAYS find an n such that it is, but now you'd
need a prime about the size of sqrt(nT), and then z-y mod p and z+y
mod p would have to give residues of the factors of nT modulo p, where
you'd just look for a case where the target got split.

That would be REALLY FAST as unlike the approach with n=1, where you
have to resolve a quadratic residue and search through values for 'a',
here you are picking the quadratic residue yourself, by setting 'a'
and solving for n.

So that means the congruence relations solve the factoring problem,
and proof that they must is fairly trivial to step through.

Remember, most of the mathematical work is just completing the square,
and the two equations work together as a system. But mathematicians
have traditionally studied just equations like z^2 = y^2 + nT as their
full system and found various approaches to factoring in that way.

I added another equation to the system and found the mathematical laws
governing its behavior, and can easily prove then how you factor with
those laws. These laws were previously unknown to mathematicians.

So I used more information with a more robust system than
mathematicians traditionally used, which is what people call thinking
out of the box.

But rather than acknowledge this result, so far mathematicians have
for the most part sat quietly, but if it is true--and you can check
the easy algebra for yourself--then factoring is solved as a problem,
but my understanding is that presuming it is a hard problem is the
basis for RSA encryption and factoring the public key used in that
system can allow you to decrypt messages encrypted with it.

If so, then I fear that as of now the RSA system is defunct, but so
far no one is telling the world, but me.

Why don't you show us that you can quickly factor the RSA numbers?
Why you didn't do it when there were thousands of dollars on the table
still mystifies me.


James Harris

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