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06 Sep 2006 12:58:07 AM |
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JSH: We argue |
I may only have an undergraduate degree in physics but that is enough
to have experienced the joys of arguing about physics on so many things
and so many ideas.
That's what I hate about how this forum is corrupted, how arguing is
not useful, as people turn to personal attacks and anything to appear
to win versus caring about what is true.
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
How do you know that this thing you call existence is not just some
game of a superior intellect running you through crap like rats in a
maze?
I believe that physicists can know. And I believe that if this were
just some stupid crap game where I were a pawn to some cruel higher
intellect I could prove it, and with that proof, make my choice to
leave it.
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
Physics is about asking questions. Fighting for the answers.
And not giving up until you're satisfied.
Yes, you may settle when you should keep going, but at the end of the
day, all you can do is your best? Right?
And if you do your best, you never need apologize to anyone.
You may anyway, but it's not a necessity.
I think that in asking questions I turn to the best that history has to
offer, to great thinkers like Socrates--known as a gadfly--who annoyed
so many people till they pushed him to suicide.
The group can hate the truth. But if you wish your life to mean
something other than being a follower behind the herd, sometimes, you
have to...do more than wish.
You have to dig, get dirty, fight, argue, wish, find it futile, and
fight some more, and maybe get nothing, as who in the hell promised you
anything?
But I just say, I'll do my best, and then I need apologize to no one.
Arguing is in the best interest of intellectual discovery.
Physics almost died when people decided that consensus meant too much.
I say, ***** consensus. Give me disagreement.
Make people fight to prove what they believe with NOTHING GIVEN no
consideration, no benefit of the doubt.
GIVE ME NOTHING. MAKE ME PROVE EVERYTHING.
___JSH
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| User: "Dr. Moria" |
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| Title: Re: We argue |
07 Sep 2006 10:08:59 AM |
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<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1157522287.699696.22810@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
I may only have an undergraduate degree in physics
That is a lie.
You have no understanding of any of the basic concepts of Physics.
You do not even know algebra.
You are a simple troll/crackpot.
Go ahead, show us your "research" in physics.
you cannot talk the language of physics at all.
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| User: "oldton" |
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| Title: Re: We argue |
13 Sep 2006 07:53:59 AM |
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"" Forget the average fuckwit, he's a sheep anyway.
One bleats, they all say "baa".
you are just a stroll/ simple crack""
guys!! for gods sake...personal offences like these happen in high
school... i scrap you of your "Dr." dude!!
like i am sure all you ppl are really great physicists( discussing
things that will re-write physics... ON USENET!!!!)
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: We argue |
13 Sep 2006 08:22:02 AM |
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"oldton" <ussupraj@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158152039.795577.306590@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
| "" Forget the average fuckwit, he's a sheep anyway.
| One bleats, they all say "baa".
| you are just a stroll/ simple crack""
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| guys!! for gods sake...personal offences like these happen in high
| school... i scrap you of your "Dr." dude!!
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| like i am sure all you ppl are really great physicists( discussing
| things that will re-write physics... ON USENET!!!!)
Bad punctuation happens in 1st to 3rd grade, fuckwit.
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: We argue |
06 Sep 2006 03:41:23 PM |
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<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1157522287.699696.22810@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
|I may only have an undergraduate degree in physics but that is enough
| to have experienced the joys of arguing about physics on so many things
| and so many ideas.
|
| That's what I hate about how this forum is corrupted, how arguing is
| not useful, as people turn to personal attacks and anything to appear
| to win versus caring about what is true.
|
| How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
|
| How do you know that this thing you call existence is not just some
| game of a superior intellect running you through crap like rats in a
| maze?
|
| I believe that physicists can know. And I believe that if this were
| just some stupid crap game where I were a pawn to some cruel higher
| intellect I could prove it, and with that proof, make my choice to
| leave it.
|
| How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
|
| Physics is about asking questions. Fighting for the answers.
|
| And not giving up until you're satisfied.
|
| Yes, you may settle when you should keep going, but at the end of the
| day, all you can do is your best? Right?
|
| And if you do your best, you never need apologize to anyone.
|
| You may anyway, but it's not a necessity.
|
| I think that in asking questions I turn to the best that history has to
| offer, to great thinkers like Socrates--known as a gadfly--who annoyed
| so many people till they pushed him to suicide.
|
| The group can hate the truth. But if you wish your life to mean
| something other than being a follower behind the herd, sometimes, you
| have to...do more than wish.
|
| You have to dig, get dirty, fight, argue, wish, find it futile, and
| fight some more, and maybe get nothing, as who in the hell promised you
| anything?
|
| But I just say, I'll do my best, and then I need apologize to no one.
|
| Arguing is in the best interest of intellectual discovery.
|
| Physics almost died when people decided that consensus meant too much.
|
| I say, ***** consensus. Give me disagreement.
|
| Make people fight to prove what they believe with NOTHING GIVEN no
| consideration, no benefit of the doubt.
|
| GIVE ME NOTHING. MAKE ME PROVE EVERYTHING.
|
|
| ___JSH
Right on!
Forget the average fuckwit, he's a sheep anyway.
One bleats, they all say "baa".
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm
Androcles
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: JSH: We argue |
06 Sep 2006 05:41:38 PM |
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wrote:
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
One way to know, James Harris, is to observe that we are often
told two completely incompatible things by different people.
For example, some people say, "p mod 3 does not generate a
pseudorandom sequence."
Other people (well, one person) says, "p mod 3 generates a
pseudorandom sequence."
Those statements cannot both be lies. Therefore, not everything
I have been told is a lie.
QED
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: JSH: We argue |
06 Sep 2006 06:51:39 AM |
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wrote:
I may only have an undergraduate degree in physics but that is enough
to have experienced the joys of arguing about physics on so many things
and so many ideas.
That's what I hate about how this forum is corrupted, how arguing is
not useful, as people turn to personal attacks and anything to appear
to win versus caring about what is true.
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
How do you know that this thing you call existence is not just some
game of a superior intellect running you through crap like rats in a
maze?
I believe that physicists can know. And I believe that if this were
just some stupid crap game where I were a pawn to some cruel higher
intellect I could prove it, and with that proof, make my choice to
leave it.
How do you know that everything you have ever been told is not a lie?
Physics is about asking questions. Fighting for the answers.
And not giving up until you're satisfied.
Yes, you may settle when you should keep going, but at the end of the
day, all you can do is your best? Right?
And if you do your best, you never need apologize to anyone.
You may anyway, but it's not a necessity.
I think that in asking questions I turn to the best that history has to
offer, to great thinkers like Socrates--known as a gadfly--who annoyed
so many people till they pushed him to suicide.
The group can hate the truth. But if you wish your life to mean
something other than being a follower behind the herd, sometimes, you
have to...do more than wish.
You have to dig, get dirty, fight, argue, wish, find it futile, and
fight some more, and maybe get nothing, as who in the hell promised you
anything?
But I just say, I'll do my best, and then I need apologize to no one.
Arguing is in the best interest of intellectual discovery.
Physics almost died when people decided that consensus meant too much.
I say, ***** consensus. Give me disagreement.
Make people fight to prove what they believe with NOTHING GIVEN no
consideration, no benefit of the doubt.
GIVE ME NOTHING. MAKE ME PROVE EVERYTHING.
___JSH
You need to adopt the Hofstadter Endless Discussion Termination System
(HEDTS)
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| User: "oldton" |
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| Title: Re: JSH: We argue |
06 Sep 2006 10:26:17 AM |
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whatever hedts is... you're damn right abt the personal attacks thingy
in this group dude... it is extremely immature.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: JSH: We argue |
06 Sep 2006 11:42:24 AM |
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[snip usual stuff]
I say, ***** consensus. Give me disagreement.
Make people fight to prove what they believe with NOTHING GIVEN no
consideration, no benefit of the doubt.
GIVE ME NOTHING. MAKE ME PROVE EVERYTHING.
___JSH
OK, your wish is granted. Prove p mod 3 generates a pseudorandom
sequence.
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