Science > Physics > La naissance elementaire et triomphante du postscientisme
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28 Aug 2005 12:54:31 AM |
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La naissance elementaire et triomphante du postscientisme |
Jean-Pierre Maury, "Carnot et la machine a vapeur", PUF, 1986, p. 116:
<<C'est en 1850 que parait, dans les Annalen der Physik und Chemie,
l'article de Clausius intitule: "De la force motrice de la chaleur, et
des lois sur la chaleur qui peuvent s'en deduire."....Nous y trouvons
la simplicite triomphante avec laquelle, cinquante-cinq ans plus tard,
Einstein va admettre a la fois le principe de relativite et
l'invariance de la vitesse de la lumiere. Clausius...ne voit pas
pourquoi l'equivalence chaleur-travail serait contradictoire avec la
"chute en temperature": la machine transforme en travail une partie de
la chaleur recue de la source chaude (et Joule a raison...), mais une
partie seulement, et le reste, elle doit necessairement le ceder a une
source froide (et Carnot a raison!).
Elementaire, mon cher Watson? Certes...>>
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc\ N: dlzc1 D:cox" |
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28 Aug 2005 01:06:32 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125208471.652768.211230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Jean-Pierre Maury, "Carnot et la machine a vapeur", PUF, 1986,
p. 116:
<<C'est en 1850 que parait, dans les Annalen der Physik und
Chemie,
l'article de Clausius intitule: "De la force motrice de la
chaleur, et
des lois sur la chaleur qui peuvent s'en deduire."....Nous y
trouvons
la simplicite triomphante avec laquelle, cinquante-cinq ans
plus tard,
Einstein va admettre a la fois le principe de relativite et
l'invariance de la vitesse de la lumiere. Clausius...ne voit
pas
pourquoi l'equivalence chaleur-travail serait contradictoire
avec la
"chute en temperature": la machine transforme en travail une
partie de
la chaleur recue de la source chaude (et Joule a raison...),
mais une
partie seulement, et le reste, elle doit necessairement le
ceder a une
source froide (et Carnot a raison!).
Elementaire, mon cher Watson? Certes...>>
.... you fancy English kniggits... I fan my bottom at you.
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| User: "Robert Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: La naissance elementaire et triomphante du postscientisme |
29 Aug 2005 07:10:24 AM |
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N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Elementaire, mon cher Watson? Certes...>>
... you fancy English kniggits... I fan my bottom at you.
And your mother's breath smells of eldeberry wine.
Ah faht in your general direction.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \dlzc\ N: dlzc1 D:cox" |
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29 Aug 2005 09:06:19 PM |
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Dear Robert Kolker:
"Robert Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:IqydnaY_waqsZo_eRVn-tA@comcast.com...
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
Elementaire, mon cher Watson? Certes...>>
... you fancy English kniggits... I fan my bottom at you.
And your mother's breath smells of eldeberry wine.
Ah faht in your general direction.
I thought it was:
"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of
elderberries." *Now* I'm going to have to watch it again!
http://www.cafepress.com/shop/humor/browse/store/moviequoteshirt.21825605
.... fire up the old LaserDisc(R)...
David A. Smith
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| User: "OsherD" |
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28 Aug 2005 01:57:10 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
I say, is Pentcho becoming French or is French becoming Pentch(o)?
And what does it all have to do Dr. Watson, who with Holmes' help was
able with one hand tied behind his back to capture Holmes' French
nemesis? And what do the French have to do with physics anyway? After
all, physics is neither drinkable nor sexable nor avengable (liberte,
fraternite, et egalite?).
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "François Guillet" |
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28 Aug 2005 11:05:49 AM |
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"OsherD" <mdoctorow@comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
1125212230.395152.215710@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| ...And what do the French have to do with physics anyway?
Ampère, Curie, Biot, Savart, Poincaré, Coulomb, Becquerel, Fizeau,
Brillouin, Pascal, De Broglie, Foucault, Langevin, Aspect...
If you don't know them, I presume you was studying creationism when
believing to do physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_physicists
FG
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| User: "OsherD" |
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28 Aug 2005 12:15:47 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Francois Guillet typed:
Amp=E8re, Curie, Biot, Savart, Poincar=E9, Coulomb, Becquerel, Fizeau,
Brillouin, Pascal, De Broglie, Foucault, Langevin, Aspect
and furthermore typed:
If you don't know them, I presume you was studying creationism when
believing to do physics.
I presume that your wine is more accurate than your words. These
people are mostly long gone, as is French physics and mathematics and
psychology and politics and history. Pascal, and Pierre De Fermat who
was even greater than Pascal, were in the 1600s. Curie and Poincare
mainly worked around the turn of the 19th to 20th century, i.e., around
1900. Coulomb is long, long gone. Prince De Broglie made his biggest
contributions in the first two decades of the 1900s. Alain Connes and
his colleagues are the only French physicist-mathematicians of current
noteworthiness (and the Connes school is on a downward swing), although
Mandelbrot and his colleagues started in France but left there for IBM
in the USA as soon as he could (perhaps because of the glory of French
history?). France is one of history's most Violence-Oriented and
alcohol-oriented nations. When the U.K. was developing its Magna Carta
over centuries into its Acts of Parliament, France was chopping off
heads with guillotines. The USA and U.K. had to rescue France from
its total capitulation to Hitler without the French having fired a shot
against Hitler (in return for which Hitler "spared" Paris even to the
degree of one bomb), and the Marshall Plan of the USA rebuilt France
and Germany, after which both turned around and stabbed the USA and
U=2EK. in the back. With friends like these, who needs enemies? De
Gaulle, whose "Free French" the USA and U.K. hosted and protected, upon
the end of Hitler turned around and made France into an anti-U.K. and
anti-USA bastion if it wasn't already via its Vichy WWII government.
The French "Underground" in WWII wasn't even mostly loyal to France -
it was mostly Jewish, U.K, Russian, etc. France is currently in the
Islamist-Russian-Chinese-Belgian-German anti-Israel and anti-USA bloc
in the U.N. The French Revolution of the late 1700s invented the
modern version of revolutionaries whose dictatorship and
Violence-Orientation was at least as bad as the dictatorship which they
replaced. Marx issued his Plurality-Oriented and Power-Oriented babble
in mid-1800s France which resulted eventually in one of the most
genocidal systems of government that the world has ever seen.
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "François Guillet" |
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| Title: Re: La naissance elementaire et triomphante du postscientisme |
28 Aug 2005 12:34:59 PM |
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"OsherD" <> a écrit dans le message de news:
1125249347.309477.242390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| >From Osher Doctorow
| Francois Guillet typed:
| >Ampère, Curie, Biot, Savart, Poincaré, Coulomb, Becquerel, Fizeau,
| >Brillouin, Pascal, De Broglie, Foucault, Langevin, Aspect
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| >If you don't know them, I presume you was studying creationism when
| >believing to do physics.
| I presume that your wine...
It's confirmed. You was learning creationism, and now you are rewriting
history from demagogical anti-French nationalist media, as a political
bigot. Where is the physics ?
FG
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| User: "OsherD" |
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28 Aug 2005 01:35:12 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Francois Guillet (not Guillotine?) typed:
It's confirmed. You was learning creationism, and now you are rewriting
history from demagogical anti-French nationalist media, as a political
bigot. Where is the physics ?
I pointed out that most of the people on your list of French
physicists-mathematicians were from the 1920s or earlier (mostly
earlier), and that French physics is mostly (in effect) dead or
imitative. So that's where the physics is.
As for creationism and "it's confirmed", I haven't typed anything to
you or anybody else on this thread about those topics, and I'm not a
Creationist. Are you seeing things that aren't there? Too much wine
instead of water can do that. Needless to say, it doesn't go well with
science or mathematics.
As for French history, how can anybody rewrite such a Violence-Oriented
history to make it worse? Let's see, dictatorial monarchs, then
guillotine-murdering Robespierre in the French Revolution who made the
Cambodian killing fields look like a picnic, then Napoleon whose wars
finally were stopped by the Duke of Wellington and the Prussians, then
France gives away its military plans to the enemy in both WWI and WWII,
with special "honors" to Hitler who got all the plans and didn't have
to fight - he just walked in and in gratitude spared Paris any
bombardment. Then the pro-Nazi French Vichy government. Then the USA
and UK host and arm and sponsor the French Resistance and Free French
in the U.K., rescue France from Hitler, the USA rescues the French
economy by the postwar Marshall Plan, after which General Charles De
Gaulle (the leader of the "French Resistance") stabs the USA and U.K.
in the back with the accusation that they are "plotting against him"
(too much wine instead of water?). Now France is part of the U.N.
Islamist-Russian-Chinese-Belgian-German Axis. What is there to
exaggerate?
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "Traveler" |
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28 Aug 2005 02:29:56 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2005 11:35:12 -0700, "OsherD" <mdoctorow@comcast.net> wrote:
I pointed out that most of the people on your list of French
physicists-mathematicians were from the 1920s or earlier (mostly
earlier), and that French physics is mostly (in effect) dead or
imitative. So that's where the physics is.
You remind me of my little nieces. Always fighting with each other
over who is the prettiest or the smartest, or who's the oldest or
tallest, or what have you. Grow up, you stupid *****.
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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29 Aug 2005 12:59:44 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Louis Savain typed:
You remind me of my little nieces. Always fighting with each other
over who is the prettiest or the smartest, or who's the oldest or
tallest, or what have you. Grow up, you stupid *****.
Profanity is grown up? Like "adult movies"? Calling a fellow
scientist a "stupid *****"? You're not a walking advertisement for
France yourself, and even less for growing up. But heck, who cares
what anybody else thinks as long as you express your frustration to
others - that seems to be your style. How about growing down a little
bit, back to scientific humility and detachment? But how does one do
that when drinking wine instead of water? It's all in the physics and
chemistry of wine and hashish, not in your little nieces.
Osher Doctorow
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29 Aug 2005 07:08:24 AM |
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On 28 Aug 2005 22:59:44 -0700, "OsherD" <> wrote:
From Osher Doctorow
Louis Savain typed:
You remind me of my little nieces. Always fighting with each other
over who is the prettiest or the smartest, or who's the oldest or
tallest, or what have you. Grow up, you stupid *****.
Profanity is grown up?
Yep.
Like "adult movies"? Calling a fellow
scientist a "stupid *****"?
ahahaha... A fellow scientist? ahahaha... Good one.
You're not a walking advertisement for
France yourself, and even less for growing up.
Did I tell you I was French, *****?
But heck, who cares
what anybody else thinks as long as you express your frustration to
others - that seems to be your style.
Wrong. Not frustration. It's called disrespect. Get it right.
How about growing down a little
bit, back to scientific humility and detachment?
***** you. Going on and on about how some ethnic group (other than
one's own) sucks is neither humble nor detached, you self-righteous
*****. It's fake humility and hypocrisy.
But how does one do
that when drinking wine instead of water?
ahahaha... Anybody who hates good wine is seriously suspect in my
book. You are either a pederast or a pedophile. ahahaha...
It's all in the physics and
chemistry of wine and hashish, not in your little nieces.
ahahaha... Here we go again. You really are a stupid *****. ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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30 Aug 2005 12:02:04 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Traveler (who uses Hanson's modus operandi "ahahaha") needs a strong
mouth washing, a stretch in the pen (both prison and English 101), a
mental hospital, and then a one-way ticket to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
That should get rid of his flighty mentality to say the least (hey
Traveller, they really chop heads off there, no kidding).
Osher Doctorow
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30 Aug 2005 08:40:55 AM |
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On 29 Aug 2005 22:02:04 -0700, "OsherD" <> wrote:
From Osher Doctorow
Traveler (who uses Hanson's modus operandi "ahahaha") needs a strong
mouth washing, a stretch in the pen (both prison and English 101), a
mental hospital, and then a one-way ticket to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
That should get rid of his flighty mentality to say the least (hey
Traveller, they really chop heads off there, no kidding).
ahahaha... I know when they start harboring murderous intent that the
technique is having its intended effect. Osher, you can now join *****
van de merde in the club of those who want to see me dead. ahahaha...
I got news for you two fuckfaces. I ain't gonna die yet. ahahaha...
AHAHAHA...ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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29 Aug 2005 02:18:03 AM |
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OsherD wrote:
It's all in the physics and
chemistry of wine and hashish, not in your little nieces.
Wine is actually good for you. And France was of course right about
Iraq. (So was everybody else for that matter.)
--
Jan Bielawski
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29 Aug 2005 11:50:24 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
JanPB typed:
Wine is actually good for you. And France was of course right about
Iraq. (So was everybody else for that matter.)
You just made two (2) errors.
A. "Wine is actually good for you." Although wine helps young people
relax for sex, a nation that drinks wine instead of water gets the
second effect of wine: it's a depressant and a logic-distorter and a
reality-distorter. The French paranoia that all the world is out to
get them (recently it's been the USA and UK allegedly, but what about
older French history?) is only one example. When your "reward" to
nations that fight WWII to free you from Hitler by forming an anti-USA
and anti-UK bloc in the U.N. and playing footsie with Iran and Saddam's
Iraq and almost every other anti-USA nation in the world, you're
definitely neither in a "reproductive" or "pleasure" stage.
B. "And France was of course right about Iraq. (So was everybody else
for that matter.)"
This has got to be the bad joke of the millenium. Leave a madman in
power who gases hundreds of thousands of Iranian in the 1980s Iran-Iraq
War, who gases Kurds in the Kurd Genocide in Iraq, who pays families of
suicide bombers against Israel $25,000 per family (which makes them
proportional to millionaires in the Iraqi economy), and you're guilty
of full-scale genocide. As for "everybody else", you mean Kofi Annan
and his U.N. of Genocidal and Criminal Nations? Do you know what
Nigeria's main economic product is? Money-laundering and narcotics
dealing and genocide (against the Christian Ibo ethnic group for one).
Care to go through the "everybody else" list one by one?
Osher Doctorow
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29 Aug 2005 07:17:28 AM |
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JanPB wrote:
Wine is actually good for you. And France was of course right about
Iraq. (So was everybody else for that matter.)
As right as they are about the benefit of nurturing a nest of Moslem
vipers in the heart of Europe. Anyday the call to prayer in Paris will
be chanted by the Muzzein from the Eifel Tower.
Bob Kolker
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12 Sep 2005 05:03:24 PM |
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Traveler wrote:
You remind me of my little nieces.
You looking in the mirror will do that even better.
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29 Aug 2005 07:15:32 AM |
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OsherD wrote:
As for French history, how can anybody rewrite such a Violence-Oriented
history to make it worse? Let's see, dictatorial monarchs, then
guillotine-murdering Robespierre in the French Revolution who made the
Cambodian killing fields look like a picnic
Puhleeze! Pol Pot and his buddies killed over 1.5 million Cambodians.
Proportionately it was worse than the Holocaust. May 20,000 had their
height reduced during the Terrors that followed the French Revolution.
How about exhibiting a sense of proportion here.
I know you detest the French. So do I, but that is no excuse for
falsifying history.
Bob Kolker
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29 Aug 2005 11:30:07 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Bob Kolker typed:
I know you detest the French. So do I, but that is no excuse for
falsifying history.
I didn't falsify history. In Robespierre's French Revolution of the
late 1700s, everybody was guillotined who didn't tow the Party Line.
For a nation that had lived under Monarchy "forever", this arguably
included a higher proportion of the population than Cambodia. If you
can find a difference in the mentalities of Robespierre and Pol Pot,
I'd be very surprised. I also blame that Revolution for Napoleon's
Wars that enmeshed all of Europe, since Napoleon took over the remains
of the Revolution and was partly inspired by them. If you want to know
what slaughters the Napoleonic Wars involved, read biographies of
Nelson. It was very reminiscent of the USA Civil War in slaughters.
Osher Doctorow
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29 Aug 2005 07:12:58 AM |
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OsherD wrote:
replaced. Marx issued his Plurality-Oriented and Power-Oriented babble
in mid-1800s France which resulted eventually in one of the most
genocidal systems of government that the world has ever seen.
The Icon of France is the Mickey Mouse Watch (tm) at five minutes of
eleven or at eleven oh five.
Bob Kolker
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29 Aug 2005 08:15:29 AM |
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On 27 Aug 2005 22:54:31 -0700, "Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jean-Pierre Maury, "Carnot et la machine a vapeur", PUF, 1986, p. 116:
<<C'est en 1850 que parait, dans les Annalen der Physik und Chemie,
l'article de Clausius intitule: "De la force motrice de la chaleur, et
des lois sur la chaleur qui peuvent s'en deduire."....Nous y trouvons
la simplicite triomphante avec laquelle, cinquante-cinq ans plus tard,
Einstein va admettre a la fois le principe de relativite et
l'invariance de la vitesse de la lumiere. Clausius...ne voit pas
pourquoi l'equivalence chaleur-travail serait contradictoire avec la
"chute en temperature": la machine transforme en travail une partie de
la chaleur recue de la source chaude (et Joule a raison...), mais une
partie seulement, et le reste, elle doit necessairement le ceder a une
source froide (et Carnot a raison!).
Elementaire, mon cher Watson? Certes...>>
Thanks, Valev. I, for one, appreciate these excerpts.
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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29 Aug 2005 01:00:06 PM |
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What is the connection between thermodynamics and relativity other than
the fact that Eonstein wrote papers in both?
A temperature reflects mean energy per degree of freedom. The gas being
relativistic has no bearing on the matter.
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