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| User: |
"greywolf42" |
| Date: |
15 Jan 2005 06:23:48 AM |
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Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?) tries to cover this up as "Fatio/LeSage"
theory.
"Incidentally, although Lesage's model is much the same as had previously
been proposed by Nicolas Fatio, such models are almost invariably referred
to in modern literature as "Lesage theories" rather than "Fatio theories".
This may be because Lesage gave a more detailed and lucid account of it,
or it may simply be that those who discussed such theories in later years
were unaware of Fatio's priority."
The reason is simply that LeSage's theory eliminated many of the problems
of Fatio's (rough) theory. LeSage did this by noting that matter is not
opaque to gravific corpuscles (the key assumption of Fatio and
light-pressure
models). Hence the reason that such theories are called LeSage
theories -- instead of Fatio theories -- is that they are fundamentally
different
theories. And LeSagian theories work. They are both "kinetic" theories.
But there the similarity ends.
Wow, talk about quick use of the memory hole! By January 12th (within days
of my pointing out to Bilge that this slime page had not even mentioned Le
Sage's actual model) the content of the site changed slightly. It still
doesn't use Le Sage's model in any calculations -- but now it at least
mentions Le Sage's model. Without any notice of the revision, however.
Could it be that someone is attempting to cover their tracks?
It won't help. The site is too far gone for mere editorial corrections to
save it. (I have my comments under review, and will incorporate changes as
I become aware of them.) Look for them to be posted next week.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 07:05:06 AM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:13:25 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
Paul Stowe
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 12:22:48 PM |
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >
| >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| >>
| >> greywolf42:
| >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it
will
| >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| >>
| >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| >> >
| >> > Have no fear, I will.
| >> >
| >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| >> >
| >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The
most
| >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
LeSage's
| >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the
page
| >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model).
LeSage
| >> > knew better in 1750.
| >> >
| >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| >
| > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
FrediFizzx
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
17 Jan 2005 03:49:37 AM |
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"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SNIP
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
FrediFizzx
Indeed it *used to be* so:
"This site contains several informal notes I've written on
various mathematical topics. "
But now it may be by several authors.
Harald
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 02:15:27 PM |
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"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >
| >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| >>
| >> greywolf42:
| >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it
will
| >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| >>
| >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| >> >
| >> > Have no fear, I will.
| >> >
| >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| >> >
| >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The
most
| >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
LeSage's
| >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the
page
| >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model).
LeSage
| >> > knew better in 1750.
| >> >
| >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| >
| > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
Thanks for spoiling the fun.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 02:54:37 PM |
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Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:zReGd.31924$mx.2758718@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
Thanks for spoiling the fun.
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, for all to see. "Kevin Brown" is
merely the administrator of the site. He doesn't necessarily write them
all.
Bye again, Dinky.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 02:54:36 PM |
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FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >
| >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| >>
| >> greywolf42:
| >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that
it
will
| >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| >>
| >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| >> >
| >> > Have no fear, I will.
| >> >
| >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| >> >
| >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The
most
| >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
LeSage's
| >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on
the
page
| >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model).
LeSage
| >> > knew better in 1750.
| >> >
| >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| >
| > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
The *administrator* of Mathpages is Kevin Brown. Just like Pete Brown is
the administrator of Mountain Man Graphics page
(www.mountainman.com.au/welcome.html). This does not mean that Pete
actually writes everything on the website.
Stephen Speicher once stated that *he* had written something that was a
Mathpages page. Later (but only after the page was changed) Speicher denied
that he was the author of that *particular* page.
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
16 Jan 2005 04:19:00 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
| > "Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
| > news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| > | On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| > | <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
| > news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| > | >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| > | >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| > | >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| > | >>
| > | >> greywolf42:
| > | >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that
| it
| > will
| > | >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| > | >>
| > | >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Have no fear, I will.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| > | >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| > | >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies.
The
| > most
| > | >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
| > LeSage's
| > | >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on
| the
| > page
| > | >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model).
| > LeSage
| > | >> > knew better in 1750.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| > | >
| > | > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
| > |
| > | What does this mean Dinky?
| >
| > I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
|
| The *administrator* of Mathpages is Kevin Brown. Just like Pete Brown is
| the administrator of Mountain Man Graphics page
| (www.mountainman.com.au/welcome.html). This does not mean that Pete
| actually writes everything on the website.
Well, at least on Pete's site you know whom the author is of a particular
piece. ;-). If no author is given for a piece on a site, then one can only
make the assumption that the administrator wrote it. Or is at least
responsible for it in some way.
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
17 Jan 2005 09:20:54 PM |
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FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3507bcF4g7kfjU1@individual.net...
"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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| FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
| > I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
|
| The *administrator* of Mathpages is Kevin Brown. Just like Pete Brown
is
| the administrator of Mountain Man Graphics page
| (www.mountainman.com.au/welcome.html). This does not mean that Pete
| actually writes everything on the website.
Well, at least on Pete's site you know whom the author is of a particular
piece. ;-).
That is the standard on the www. Unless one likes to snipe and slander from
cover.
If no author is given for a piece on a site, then one can
only make the assumption that the administrator wrote it. Or is at
least responsible for it in some way.
One does not need to make such an assumption.
However, since no one ever replies from the (required) Network Solutions ID,
who can tell?
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 03:23:18 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:gqfGd.33$eJ2.29@fe07.usenetserver.com...
FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34t54eF49d0ngU1@individual.net...
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >
| >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| >>
| >> greywolf42:
| >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that
it
will
| >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| >>
| >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| >> >
| >> > Have no fear, I will.
| >> >
| >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| >> >
| >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The
most
| >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
LeSage's
| >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on
the
page
| >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model).
LeSage
| >> > knew better in 1750.
| >> >
| >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| >
| > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
The *administrator* of Mathpages is Kevin Brown. Just like Pete Brown is
the administrator of Mountain Man Graphics page
(www.mountainman.com.au/welcome.html). This does not mean that Pete
actually writes everything on the website.
But he does, bonehead ;-)
Dirk Vdm
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 08:24:38 PM |
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Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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FrediFizzx <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >
| >"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
| >> greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
| >> > Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
| >> > news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
| >>
| >> greywolf42:
| >> "Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not
that
it
will
| >> ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
| >>
| >> > > Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
| >> >
| >> > Have no fear, I will.
| >> >
| >> > > Make sure to include equations,
| >> > > pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
| >> > > ``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
| >> >
| >> > Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies.
The
most
| >> > obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes
LeSage's
| >> > model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described
on
the
page
| >> > is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure"
model).
LeSage
| >> > knew better in 1750.
| >> >
| >> > The author (Speicher again?)
| >
| > You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
The *administrator* of Mathpages is Kevin Brown. Just like Pete Brown
is
the administrator of Mountain Man Graphics page
(www.mountainman.com.au/welcome.html). This does not mean that Pete
actually writes everything on the website.
But he does, bonehead ;-)
LOL! By the way, Dinky, why do you feel the need to obsess over who writes
things ... instead of what was written?
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 01:15:52 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:22:48 -0800, "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[Snip...]
|> You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
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| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
Thank you.
Whether or not it is, at least this is a 'straight' answer...
Paul Stowe
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 02:10:18 PM |
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:e9qiu0dkvaclcri5o0j040gc7rd1ah53r7@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:22:48 -0800, "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
| <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[Snip...]
|> You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
|
| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
Thank you.
Whether or not it is, at least this is a 'straight' answer...
And you couldn't have found it yourself?
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=who%20wrote%20mathpages
Look at the first entry, where your soul mate Mingst even declares:
| "I accept Stephen's word that he didn't author the slime.
| Now that he's seen fit to state it clearly."
And in the same thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4236e4c7c6882689
Selective memory?
Brain rot?
Dirk Vdm
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 02:54:38 PM |
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Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:22:48 -0800, "FrediFizzx"
<fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
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|> You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
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| What does this mean Dinky?
I thought the author of Mathpages is Kevin Brown?
Thank you.
Whether or not it is, at least this is a 'straight' answer...
And you couldn't have found it yourself?
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=who%20wrote%20mathpages
Look at the first entry, where your soul mate Mingst even declares:
| "I accept Stephen's word that he didn't author the slime.
| Now that he's seen fit to state it clearly."
Of course, at the time, I hadn't noted that the webpage had been changed
(again without notice) before Speicher saw fit to declare.
And in the same thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/4236e4c7c6882
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Selective memory?
Brain rot?
Utter stupidity on Dinky's part?
Even if Speicher wasn't the author, it doesn't mean Kevin Brown *is* the
author. "Kevin Brown" is merely the site administrator.
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greywolf42
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:17:12 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either
apparently.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:21:31 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:12 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either apparently.
Apparently not Dinky now can you explain???
Paul Stowe
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:26:58 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:ckciu0t4vp4r5f7v3jg6p6rap2l2e1eb0n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:12 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:a5ciu05mcdkk02s8t2696rdktgogs0rb15@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:05:06 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:oX7Gd.10074$W34.4619@news.flashnewsgroups.com...
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either apparently.
Apparently not Dinky now can you explain???
Well, for the explanation that you need, you could use your
memory. Or a search engine.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:31:16 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:26:58 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:ckciu0t4vp4r5f7v3jg6p6rap2l2e1eb0n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:12 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[Snip...]
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either apparently.
Apparently not Dinky now can you explain???
Well, for the explanation that you need, you could use your
memory. Or a search engine.
Neither of which leads us to the author. I think you're blowin it
out yer *****...
Paul Stowe
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 09:50:21 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:85diu0h8kdttuvqlvplnoqiug8h7bk76bn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:26:58 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:ckciu0t4vp4r5f7v3jg6p6rap2l2e1eb0n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:12 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[Snip...]
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either apparently.
Apparently not Dinky now can you explain???
Well, for the explanation that you need, you could use your
memory. Or a search engine.
Neither of which leads us to the author. I think you're blowin it
out yer *****...
That is what you think, obviously.
Stephen would be very pleased to find out that you think he
wrote the Mathpages. Actually, IIRC, he knows that your
soul mate thinks he is the author. I'm sure you won't be
able to google that one either :-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 01:21:53 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:50:21 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:85diu0h8kdttuvqlvplnoqiug8h7bk76bn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:26:58 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <ps@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message news:ckciu0t4vp4r5f7v3jg6p6rap2l2e1eb0n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:17:12 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[Snip...]
The author (Speicher again?)
You never learned to use a search engine ;-)
What does this mean Dinky?
That you never learned to use a search engine either apparently.
Apparently not Dinky, now can you explain???
Well, for the explanation that you need, you could use your
memory. Or a search engine.
Neither of which leads us to the author. I think you're blowin it
out yer *****...
That is what you think, obviously.
Stephen would be very pleased to find out that you think he
wrote the Mathpages.
First of all Stephen is Barry's guess, not mine. Second,
he shouldn't be since all the actual details in that page
are (how can I put it politely? Oh yeah) pure crap!
Actually, IIRC, he knows that your soul mate thinks he is the
author. I'm sure you won't be able to google that one either :-)
Personally I don't care about what he knows or dosen't know.
I'm sure the author does wants to remain anonymous given the pure
incompetence of the contents of that particular page.
Paul Stowe
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| User: "Bilge" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
16 Jan 2005 12:11:49 PM |
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Paul Stowe:
First of all Stephen is Barry's guess, not mine. Second,
he shouldn't be since all the actual details in that page
are (how can I put it politely? Oh yeah) pure crap!
Does that mean you won't be posting a refutation any time soon?
By the way, does the part of the text which mentions crackpots
refer to an attempt to ``correct'' the author on a previous occasion?
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
19 Jan 2005 08:46:58 PM |
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Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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Paul Stowe:
First of all Stephen is Barry's guess, not mine. Second,
he shouldn't be since all the actual details in that page
are (how can I put it politely? Oh yeah) pure crap!
Does that mean you won't be posting a refutation any time soon?
Oh, Bilgey, the refutation has been up since the 17th. Cat got your
keyboard?
By the way, does the part of the text which mentions crackpots
refer to an attempt to ``correct'' the author on a previous occasion?
Who can tell? The 'crackpot' part was only added circa Jan 12th, after I
pointed out that the page never actually discussed Le Sage's theory at
all -- contrary to multiple assertions. I guess the author was feeling a
little defensive......
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
16 Jan 2005 12:41:29 PM |
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Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
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Paul Stowe:
First of all Stephen is Barry's guess, not mine. Second,
he shouldn't be since all the actual details in that page
are (how can I put it politely? Oh yeah) pure crap!
Does that mean you won't be posting a refutation any time soon?
Why, David Semon, can't you read? I told you my rebuttal is being reviewed,
and would be posted next week. And why are you asking Paul?
By the way, does the part of the text which mentions crackpots
refer to an attempt to ``correct'' the author on a previous occasion?
As usual, it's simply a slimy ad hominem tactic, of no substantive import.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Le Sage's Shadows (was Pioneer anomaly revisited) |
15 Jan 2005 04:43:06 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:23:48 GMT, "greywolf42"
<mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote:
greywolf42 <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:...
Bilge <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnctpea0.p7.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
greywolf42:
"Looks likes it's time to once again correct "Mathpages." Not that it will
ever penetrate Bilge's skull."
Feel free to post the so-called ``corrections'' here.
Have no fear, I will.
Make sure to include equations,
pointing out the > 10 orders of magnitude alleged
``mistakes'' along with the ``corrected'' equations.
Also the plagiarisms, evasions, distortions and outright lies. The most
obvious distortion is that the webpage never actually describes LeSage's
model -- let alone modern versions. The only model described on the page
is a variant on Fatio's theory (Darwin's "light pressure" model). LeSage
knew better in 1750.
The author (Speicher again?) tries to cover this up as "Fatio/LeSage"
theory.
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"Incidentally, although Lesage's model is much the same as had previously
been proposed by Nicolas Fatio, such models are almost invariably referred
to in modern literature as "Lesage theories" rather than "Fatio theories".
This may be because Lesage gave a more detailed and lucid account of it,
or it may simply be that those who discussed such theories in later years
were unaware of Fatio's priority."
The reason is simply that LeSage's theory eliminated many of the problems
of Fatio's (rough) theory. LeSage did this by noting that matter is not
opaque to gravific corpuscles (the key assumption of Fatio and
light-pressure
models). Hence the reason that such theories are called LeSage
theories -- instead of Fatio theories -- is that they are fundamentally
different
theories. And LeSagian theories work. They are both "kinetic" theories.
But there the similarity ends.
Wow, talk about quick use of the memory hole! By January 12th (within days
of my pointing out to Bilge that this slime page had not even mentioned Le
Sage's actual model) the content of the site changed slightly. It still
doesn't use Le Sage's model in any calculations -- but now it at least
mentions Le Sage's model. Without any notice of the revision, however.
Could it be that someone is attempting to cover their tracks?
It won't help. The site is too far gone for mere editorial corrections to
save it. (I have my comments under review, and will incorporate changes as
I become aware of them.) Look for them to be posted next week.
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