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01 May 2007 10:25:08 PM |
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lessons from the male alpha problem |
after another round of provocation and fury
it is nice to take a step back and reflect
lessons learned and all that
only in this way can progress ever be made
the first thing notceable
was the apparent skew of responses
although difficult to ascertain with fair certainty on usenet
a very good majority of the responses appeared male
only 3 or 4 responders were very apparently female
with 25 or 26 different responders apparently male
although many of the responses were aggressive
the original post had aggressive undertones
so gender distinction here may be poorly measured
but well over 50% of the female posts were aggressive
this is an indication
that the trait of aggressiveness
is (in one meaning of the word) "heterogeneous"
that the behaviors overlap across genders
it is because of such possibilities
that the correlation falacies are built
and why antidiscrimination laws
assist the social mobility of subjugated populations
it is incorrect derivation
to take traits common to a population
and assert them for an individual of that population
without furthur information
traits common are not traits universal
this (i believe) is (one reason) why
many objected to the use of the term "male alpha problem"
i have used that term a number of times over the years
often as a loose catch-all for aggressive institutions
displaying other gender subjugation bias
but because of its loose use
it engenders the same instancing abuse
of the correlation fallacies
and so i think this will be the last time i use the term
of course
there does seem to be gender skew in math and the sciences
and there has been research indicating
- the aggression-confidence interaction
does cause self-selection
- aggression is poorly correlated to evidence for position
- aggression and confidence are both traits
that indicate correlation over the genders
and may be able to account for the gender skew
or at least possibly some of it
and it is important that these dynamics
be viewed as the technological problem they are
and solutions sought
but the technological solution will likely have no gender bias
...
it is important to note the great case study material
usenet provides
steve carlip
for instance
continued to make claims after the first series of posts
eventually showing that his aggressive claims to knowledge
were founded on almost no knowledge of the field he was attacking
but more examples arise every day
recently
quasi
a very careful and studied poster on sci.math
who has demonstrated his desire to learn
was attacked by a series of posters
for daring suggest that mathematical modelling
may help resolve the controversy of wtc7/911
the blind avoidance aggression displayed in that thread
is repeated daily over many newsgroups
of course
many careful and studied scientists and mathematicians
do not participate in such attacks
but they also remain silent
that is the failure of the establishment
it is why realist quantum mechanics is seen as "fringe"
constructivism
preferred frames
woodin's approach to projective determinancy
and the continuum hypothesis
associated stigmas that provide barriers to study
it is very interesting to note
however
that there is one poster who has regularly pointed to literature
that would have cleared up carlip's misunderstandings
and has consistently shown familiarity
with many of the underpinnings of these controversies:
jack sarfatti
he has even discussed leggett in the past
that is definitely something to chew on...
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galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: lessons from the male alpha problem |
03 May 2007 04:56:58 AM |
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In article <galathaea-0105072025080001@10.0.1.2>,
(galathaea) wrote:
after another round of provocation and fury
it is nice to take a step back and reflect
lessons learned and all that
only in this way can progress ever be made
the first thing notceable
was the apparent skew of responses
although difficult to ascertain with fair certainty on usenet
a very good majority of the responses appeared male
only 3 or 4 responders were very apparently female
with 25 or 26 different responders apparently male
although many of the responses were aggressive
the original post had aggressive undertones
so gender distinction here may be poorly measured
but well over 50% of the female posts were aggressive
this is an indication
that the trait of aggressiveness
is (in one meaning of the word) "heterogeneous"
that the behaviors overlap across genders
it is because of such possibilities
that the correlation falacies are built
and why antidiscrimination laws
assist the social mobility of subjugated populations
it is incorrect derivation
to take traits common to a population
and assert them for an individual of that population
without furthur information
traits common are not traits universal
this (i believe) is (one reason) why
many objected to the use of the term "male alpha problem"
You appear to not to be able to learn a damned thing.
Behind every male alpha (or in front, depending on the circumstances)
is a female alpha.
i have used that term a number of times over the years
often as a loose catch-all for aggressive institutions
displaying other gender subjugation bias
but because of its loose use
it engenders the same instancing abuse
of the correlation fallacies
and so i think this will be the last time i use the term
Apparently not.
of course
there does seem to be gender skew in math and the sciences
and there has been research indicating
- the aggression-confidence interaction
does cause self-selection
- aggression is poorly correlated to evidence for position
- aggression and confidence are both traits
that indicate correlation over the genders
and may be able to account for the gender skew
or at least possibly some of it
Has it ever occurred to you that the perceived gender skew isn't
a skew? Has it ever occurred to you that the females who aren't
doing math aren't interested in doing math?
and it is important that these dynamics
be viewed as the technological problem they are
and solutions sought
Why does there have to be a "solution"? You aren't looking for
a solution, you have already created a solution and are now
trying to force people into complying.
but the technological solution will likely have no gender bias
...
it is important to note the great case study material
usenet provides
steve carlip
for instance
continued to make claims after the first series of posts
eventually showing that his aggressive claims to knowledge
were founded on almost no knowledge of the field he was attacking
You are outright lying. So, why do you target a male, whom
you perceive to be an alpha within a newsgroup, and then hound
him?
but more examples arise every day
recently
quasi
a very careful and studied poster on sci.math
who has demonstrated his desire to learn
was attacked by a series of posters
for daring suggest that mathematical modelling
may help resolve the controversy of wtc7/911
the blind avoidance aggression displayed in that thread
is repeated daily over many newsgroups
of course
many careful and studied scientists and mathematicians
do not participate in such attacks
but they also remain silent
that is the failure of the establishment
You are unhappy that males post corrections to errors and you
are unhappy that males do not post corrections.
it is why realist quantum mechanics is seen as "fringe"
constructivism
preferred frames
woodin's approach to projective determinancy
and the continuum hypothesis
associated stigmas that provide barriers to study
it is very interesting to note
however
that there is one poster who has regularly pointed to literature
that would have cleared up carlip's misunderstandings
and has consistently shown familiarity
with many of the underpinnings of these controversies:
jack sarfatti
he has even discussed leggett in the past
that is definitely something to chew on...
Only if you enjoy wasting your time.
/BAH
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| User: "galathaea" |
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| Title: Re: lessons from the male alpha problem |
03 May 2007 02:25:16 PM |
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On May 3, 2:56 am, wrote:
In article <galathaea-0105072025080...@10.0.1.2>,
galath...@veawb.coop (galathaea) wrote:
[...]
steve carlip
for instance
continued to make claims after the first series of posts
eventually showing that his aggressive claims to knowledge
were founded on almost no knowledge of the field he was attacking
You are outright lying. So, why do you target a male, whom
you perceive to be an alpha within a newsgroup, and then hound
him?
in a strange way
i admire your ability to avoid all facts
and alter your perception to support your preconceived notions
in businesses that do not rely upon correlation to common perceptions
i know this can be a very useful trait
( finance
marketing
president of the united states )
however
your lack of any substance in your arguments
throws away any respect that might form from the admiration
steve started going off on several tangents
as each of his initial concerns were corrected
eventually stating absurdities about which operators
were involved in bohminisations of bosons
among a larger list posted in the relevant thread
the issue was always about his saving face
after first self-righteously coming into a thread
and responding to one of my posts
by claiming he couldn't let such false statements go unanswered
i don't stalk him
just as i don't go around after you
posting absurdities about your necrophilia
you are the one "hounding" others
following me into threads on legitimate topics
where i made legitimate and studied comments
to simply (and falsely) state my modus operandi is only attacking guys
it is you and your type
that brings down the level of discussion in these groups
steve does contribute quite a lot to these groups
unfortunately he also aggressed the wrong individual
with unsupported haughtiness
and got called
i am sure your abilities
jmfbah
will allow you to respond without substance again...
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galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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| Title: Re: lessons from the male alpha problem |
03 May 2007 04:45:29 PM |
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Aside from the ad hominum, there are lotsa "alpha males" (as we
inherited the term from zoology) that dont have an alpha female behind
them, and in many cases, dont want anything to do with assertive
women. Even tho alphas sire them.
Hominid history shows how often young males are booted out so that the
alpha male can have more control over the females. The boys must,
perforce, adapt to living on their wits alone in the bush. Those that
survive tend to stay in the gene pool beause of some service they
offer to a hominid group. But the females were never pushed into the
bush alone. They may have been traded or stolen, and had to adapt to
the strange customs of another tribe, but didnt need to learn to think
on their own.
The women are better at communication and consensus. but it is the out
of the box, out of the group thinking that males can sometimes have
that results in innovation. Nevertheless, it is the female dominated
groups that are more accepting of new ideas. The alpha males want
things done the way they always have cause it simplifies their efforts
to control. Of course, rarely, but it does sometimes happen when an
alpha male is endowed with remarkable intellectual powers and can see
beyond his own alpha instincts, and see new opportunities in doing
things in a new way.
Great power and progress comes of this, but right now, all the alphas
we have are hacks, so it is the ability of the women to cooperate that
is empowering them.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: lessons from the male alpha problem |
05 May 2007 04:51:56 AM |
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In article <1178220316.079671.117260@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
galathaea <galathaea@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 3, 2:56 am, wrote:
In article <galathaea-0105072025080...@10.0.1.2>,
galath...@veawb.coop (galathaea) wrote:
[...]
steve carlip
for instance
continued to make claims after the first series of posts
eventually showing that his aggressive claims to knowledge
were founded on almost no knowledge of the field he was attacking
You are outright lying. So, why do you target a male, whom
you perceive to be an alpha within a newsgroup, and then hound
him?
in a strange way
i admire your ability to avoid all facts
and alter your perception to support your preconceived notions
My notions are based on the behaviour I observe through your posts.
in businesses that do not rely upon correlation to common perceptions
i know this can be a very useful trait
( finance
marketing
president of the united states )
however
your lack of any substance in your arguments
throws away any respect that might form from the admiration
I don't expect nor desire any form of admiration.
steve started going off on several tangents
as each of his initial concerns were corrected
eventually stating absurdities about which operators
were involved in bohminisations of bosons
among a larger list posted in the relevant thread
the issue was always about his saving face
after first self-righteously coming into a thread
and responding to one of my posts
by claiming he couldn't let such false statements go unanswered
I suggest you reread what he wrote. I never read him saying that.
That is your interpretation of a correction he made for you
about your math model.
Any math person worth his axioms would have gleefully reexamined
the math model to see what would happen when the commutative axiom
were changed. Instead you post yet another boring rant about
how men keep you from doing your work by using agression and
excoriate Carlip. Telling you what you are doing wrong
is not agression.
i don't stalk him
just as i don't go around after you
posting absurdities about your necrophilia
Another lie.
you are the one "hounding" others
following me into threads on legitimate topics
where i made legitimate and studied comments
to simply (and falsely) state my modus operandi is only attacking guys
Ranting about alpha males keeping you from doing math captured my
attention. Now you've got my attention. Stop ranting and do your
work (work is not necessarily your job) and you will lose my
interest in this matter.
it is you and your type
that brings down the level of discussion in these groups
I hear the Twilight Zone music coming in.
steve does contribute quite a lot to these groups
unfortunately he also aggressed the wrong individual
with unsupported haughtiness
Dr. Carlip has never been haughty in these newsgroups. I read
his posts to learn how to deal with people who are not nice.
and got called
i am sure your abilities
jmfbah
will allow you to respond without substance again...
Here's more unsubstance to chew on.
/BAH
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| User: "galathaea" |
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| Title: Re: lessons from the male alpha problem |
03 May 2007 12:59:07 AM |
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On May 1, 8:25 pm, (galathaea) wrote:
after another round of provocation and fury
it is nice to take a step back and reflect
lessons learned and all that
only in this way can progress ever be made
the first thing notceable
was the apparent skew of responses
although difficult to ascertain with fair certainty on usenet
a very good majority of the responses appeared male
only 3 or 4 responders were very apparently female
with 25 or 26 different responders apparently male
although many of the responses were aggressive
the original post had aggressive undertones
so gender distinction here may be poorly measured
but well over 50% of the female posts were aggressive
this is an indication
that the trait of aggressiveness
is (in one meaning of the word) "heterogeneous"
that the behaviors overlap across genders
it is because of such possibilities
that the correlation falacies are built
and why antidiscrimination laws
assist the social mobility of subjugated populations
it is incorrect derivation
to take traits common to a population
and assert them for an individual of that population
without furthur information
traits common are not traits universal
this (i believe) is (one reason) why
many objected to the use of the term "male alpha problem"
i have used that term a number of times over the years
often as a loose catch-all for aggressive institutions
displaying other gender subjugation bias
but because of its loose use
it engenders the same instancing abuse
of the correlation fallacies
and so i think this will be the last time i use the term
of course
there does seem to be gender skew in math and the sciences
and there has been research indicating
- the aggression-confidence interaction
does cause self-selection
- aggression is poorly correlated to evidence for position
- aggression and confidence are both traits
that indicate correlation over the genders
and may be able to account for the gender skew
or at least possibly some of it
and it is important that these dynamics
be viewed as the technological problem they are
and solutions sought
but the technological solution will likely have no gender bias
..
it is important to note the great case study material
usenet provides
steve carlip
for instance
continued to make claims after the first series of posts
eventually showing that his aggressive claims to knowledge
were founded on almost no knowledge of the field he was attacking
but more examples arise every day
recently
quasi
a very careful and studied poster on sci.math
who has demonstrated his desire to learn
was attacked by a series of posters
for daring suggest that mathematical modelling
may help resolve the controversy of wtc7/911
the blind avoidance aggression displayed in that thread
is repeated daily over many newsgroups
of course
many careful and studied scientists and mathematicians
do not participate in such attacks
but they also remain silent
that is the failure of the establishment
it is why realist quantum mechanics is seen as "fringe"
constructivism
preferred frames
woodin's approach to projective determinancy
and the continuum hypothesis
associated stigmas that provide barriers to study
it is very interesting to note
however
that there is one poster who has regularly pointed to literature
that would have cleared up carlip's misunderstandings
and has consistently shown familiarity
with many of the underpinnings of these controversies:
jack sarfatti
he has even discussed leggett in the past
that is definitely something to chew on...
another good reference for the archives
http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/~avb/micromathematics/2006/08/women-and-mathematics.html
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