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"Rod Jones" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:02:42 AM |
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Levitating coils |
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Rod Jones
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| User: "Eric Dennison" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
01 Apr 2005 07:57:46 AM |
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peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table
and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
I've built several 60 Hz air-core solenoids some undoubtedly larger and
more powerful (with resonant capacitors and water cooling, no less) than
the one you describe, and I can assure you that they don't have the
slightest tendency to levitate. It never occurred to me to strap one down
prior to testing.
They are good at attracting ferrous objects like wrenches and heating up
conductive objects, but that's about it.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 10:51:49 AM |
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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
01 Apr 2005 06:22:03 PM |
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Hi Uncle All It is interesting that frogs and mice can be levitated by
a magnetic field(yes?) It shows to us that there is
magnetisim in all objects. I wonder if that levitated metal disk is
still spinning(goes back to 60 years).I believe the magnetic coil was
kept at the temperature of liquid hydrogen. Bert
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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31 Mar 2005 12:00:03 PM |
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In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
--
"Outside the camp you shall have a place set aside to be used as a
latrine. You shall keep a trowel in your equipment and with it, when you
go outside to ease nature, you shall first dig a hole and afterward cover
up your excrement." -- Deuteronomy 23:13-14
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 12:09:49 PM |
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"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 02:49:11 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
So you think there
is not enough evidence for UFOs
to exist?
What *would* convince you that
you are wrong?
John
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Mar 2005 03:28:16 PM |
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John Sefton wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
So you think there
is not enough evidence for UFOs
to exist?
What *would* convince you that
you are wrong?
A tethered UFO, idiot. Put up or shut up.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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31 Mar 2005 03:39:51 PM |
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In article <424C6B70.C81D716B@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
John Sefton wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was a metal
table.
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Nope. But 220 windings of copper wire jumping off the table is something
I might believe in.
--
"What are the possibilities of small but movable machines? They may or
may not be useful, but they surely would be fun to make."
-- Richard P. Feynman, 1959
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| User: "Ken S. Tucker" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 04:04:48 PM |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
In article <424C6B70.C81D716B@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
John Sefton wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
In article <424C2AA5.3D085AF4@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the
other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
At this point you transition from gullible to astoundingly
stupid.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out
he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He
proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter
which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged
into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off
the
table and
hovered there.
[snip]
*****.
Seems like the jumping ring demonstration in reverse, if it was
a metal
table.
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to
the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Nope. But 220 windings of copper wire jumping off the table is
something
I might believe in.
Don't know how to make that work yet, but
Asymmetrical Capacitors, check this out...
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GLTRS/browse.pl?2004/CR-2004-213312.html
Maybe Al would care to comment too.
Ken S. Tucker
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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31 Mar 2005 03:10:35 PM |
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John Sefton wrote:
So you think there
is not enough evidence for UFOs
to exist?
What *would* convince you that
you are wrong?
By UFO, I presume you mean ET spaceships.
Let's ask this: Do you believe that Earth is under visitation by ET
spacecraft, and if so, what makes you believe it?
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Schoenfeld" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:03:32 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:31:15 PM |
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Schoenfeld wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?
No.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:27:00 PM |
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Schoenfeld wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?
Res ipsa loquiter.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:24:18 PM |
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I once fixed a floating cylider with a MIG.
But my welder wount fly.
I can tig a beer can back together in 60 seconds flat.
I made an all weld eagle ..100 pounds.
it sits n the crows nest.
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| User: "Mitch Perkins" |
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31 Mar 2005 04:16:44 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Schoenfeld wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to
the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?
Res ipsa loquiter.
http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=1823&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
Res ipsa loquitur.
Mitch Perkins
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Mar 2005 05:38:35 PM |
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Mitch Perkins wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Schoenfeld wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
There are all sorts of rationalizations, none of which apply to
the
UFO *****. Ditto Coriolis thrusters, cavorite, electrostatic
thrusters, and hooking into a notch on the photon belt.
Ever seen a MIG chasing a floating cylinder, idiot?
Res ipsa loquiter.
http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=1823&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
Res ipsa loquitur.
Sonofagun. OK. The thing speaks for itself.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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01 Apr 2005 10:19:42 PM |
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My welder dont fly.
Its an AC curent buster ,,go get the DC and a magnet for the floor and
we'll talk tesla.
If you made a magnet with AC I want you to come find Jimmy Hoffa.
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| User: "Schoenfeld" |
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01 Apr 2005 01:51:24 PM |
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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Rod Jones
110.x=220
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:12:02 AM |
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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Do the experiment yourself. (out on the lawn, with a fire extinguisher
on hand) If it fails to perform as advertised, then maybe they're lying
to you.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Rod Jones" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:27:22 AM |
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Of course, I should do the experiment, but for the moment I'm trying to find
out if this is an effect that's understood...
Rod
"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112285522.145787.64110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Do the experiment yourself. (out on the lawn, with a fire extinguisher
on hand) If it fails to perform as advertised, then maybe they're lying
to you.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Don Kelly" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
12 Apr 2005 12:26:26 AM |
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A reference -if you can find it, is in an old book called "propulsion
without wheels" by John(?) Laithewaite (Not a UFO guru but a respected
British engineering prof.) which deals with a number of experimental
electromagnetic lifting devices. Sorry, none of them would lift a flying
saucer. but the techniques involved are in use in Mag-Lev trains.
--
Don Kelly
dhky@peeshaw.ca
remove the urine to answer
"Rod Jones" <rmjones@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cZ-dneAzQKNcvtHfRVnytg@brightview.com...
Of course, I should do the experiment, but for the moment I'm trying to
find
out if this is an effect that's understood...
Rod
"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112285522.145787.64110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other
night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had
glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had
some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do
a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the
table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with
parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper
wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with
the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the
table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the
effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was
that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it
could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an
alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Do the experiment yourself. (out on the lawn, with a fire extinguisher
on hand) If it fails to perform as advertised, then maybe they're lying
to you.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
12 Apr 2005 02:40:44 PM |
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Don It is interesting that frogs and mice can be levitated by a
magnetic field. We think of iron bars for levitating.What mice and frogs
are showing us is "every thing" has a magnetic field. Bert
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| User: "Richard Herring" |
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12 Apr 2005 09:29:24 AM |
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In message <6_I6e.970533$6l.946118@pd7tw2no>, Don Kelly
<dhky@peeshaw.ca> writes
A reference -if you can find it, is in an old book called "propulsion
without wheels" by John(?) Laithewaite
Eric Laithwaite.
(Not a UFO guru but a respected
British engineering prof.)
Until he became a gyroscope crank :-(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/laithwaite_eric.shtml
which deals with a number of experimental
electromagnetic lifting devices. Sorry, none of them would lift a flying
saucer. but the techniques involved are in use in Mag-Lev trains.
--
Richard Herring
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| User: "Don Kelly" |
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14 Apr 2005 12:43:39 AM |
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"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:PEqdYsbEt9WCFwyJ@baesystems.com...
In message <6_I6e.970533$6l.946118@pd7tw2no>, Don Kelly
<dhky@peeshaw.ca> writes
A reference -if you can find it, is in an old book called "propulsion
without wheels" by John(?) Laithewaite
Eric Laithwaite.
(Not a UFO guru but a respected
British engineering prof.)
Until he became a gyroscope crank :-(
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Ah, that is too bad. His book, as I recall, was quite interesting and had
many simple, easily built "toys".
Thanks for your update and reference..
--
Don Kelly
dhky@peeshaw.ca
remove the urine to answer
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/laithwaite_eric.shtml
which deals with a number of experimental
electromagnetic lifting devices. Sorry, none of them would lift a flying
saucer. but the techniques involved are in use in Mag-Lev trains.
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Richard Herring
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
12 Apr 2005 10:17:56 AM |
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Richard Herring wrote:
... a gyroscope crank
ROFL
"Blessed are they that run around in circles, for they shall be known
as wheels."
Tom Davidson
Richmond, vA
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
12 Apr 2005 02:27:53 PM |
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In article <1113319076.030318.200120@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil> writes:
Richard Herring wrote:
... a gyroscope crank
ROFL
"Blessed are they that run around in circles, for they shall be known
as wheels."
:-)))))))))))
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Don Fyler" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 06:06:54 PM |
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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Rod Jones
Maybe this is what he is describing. Not really coils but some of the
model sort of look like coils.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/liftbldr.htm
Don Fyler
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| User: "Mark Fergerson" |
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| Title: Re: Levitating coils |
31 Mar 2005 10:18:04 AM |
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Rod Jones wrote:
Hi,
I was watching a UFO program on the Discovery Channel the other night, and
they showed an enhanced photo of an alleged sighting, that had glowing
cavities on the base of the craft.
Cue one aging boffin saying "I recognise that!". Turns out he'd had some
peripheral role in the U.S Space/Defense business. He proceeded to do a
demonstration with a hand wound coil around 6" in diameter which he
described as 220 windings of copper wire, which he then pugged into a
regular 110v AC socket. The coil jumped a couple of inches off the table and
hovered there. I noticed that the coil was tethered to the table with parcel
tape for stability. Within a few seconds the insulation on the copper wire
started smoking as the whole thing heated up, hence his analogy with the
'glowing' cavities.
Any idea what's going on here? Would the effect be explained if the table
was steel, or was something more wierd going on? Certainly, the effect was
presented as a possible form of propulsion, so the implication was that it
didn't need a slab of steel to react to. And I don't see that it could be
reacting to the Earth's magnetic field, as the coil had an alternating
magnetic field.
Any thoughts?
Probably an Aluminum tabletop which would diamagnetically repel the
coil's field. The tabletop would get hot too, but with thermal mass it
wouldn't be obvious.
If the tabletop were steel the coil would have clamped tightly to it
(and buzzed loudly since it was fed with AC).
Got nothing to do with putative UFO drives as even really strong
(megaTesla) magnets, whether AC or DC, don't repel the Earth.
Mark L. Fergerson
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