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13 Aug 2005 05:20:29 PM |
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Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars |
From Osher Doctorow
COPYRIGHT NOTICE
Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars
Copyright By Owner Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
First Published 2005
There is an "intellectual" War going on in physics between the Local
and Nonlocal schools, and it has various curious parallels with 20th
and 2st Century politically-inspired wars between corresponding
factions more or less.
On the Local side, which ranges from equally and highly valuing the
Individual and the Plurality to mostly valuing the Individual, are
several schools or factions which are often either independent or have
rather low interaction. I only list some of them now.
A. Algebraic Quantum (Field) Theory
B. Axiomatic Quantum (Field) Theory
C. Probable Influence (PI) Theory
D. Large Deviations Theory
E. General Relativity (GR) and its direct generalizations
F. Max Jammer's School
G. David Deutsch's School
H. (arguably) Sir Roger Penrose's substantive rather than relational
approach.
On the Nonlocal side are only mostly advocates of David Bohm, who are
found mostly in the same nations where the above schools are
concentrated, including especially Germany, the U.K., the USA. In the
USA, only Rutgers University seems to be entirely or almost entirely
Bohmian in physics, but political factors are exerting considerable
pressure on Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Chicago among others to
follow suit.
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "p6" |
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| Title: Re: Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars |
13 Aug 2005 07:14:33 PM |
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OsherD wrote:
From Osher Doctorow
COPYRIGHT NOTICE
Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars
Copyright By Owner Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
First Published 2005
There is an "intellectual" War going on in physics between the Local
and Nonlocal schools, and it has various curious parallels with 20th
and 2st Century politically-inspired wars between corresponding
factions more or less.
On the Local side, which ranges from equally and highly valuing the
Individual and the Plurality to mostly valuing the Individual, are
several schools or factions which are often either independent or have
rather low interaction. I only list some of them now.
A. Algebraic Quantum (Field) Theory
B. Axiomatic Quantum (Field) Theory
C. Probable Influence (PI) Theory
D. Large Deviations Theory
E. General Relativity (GR) and its direct generalizations
F. Max Jammer's School
G. David Deutsch's School
H. (arguably) Sir Roger Penrose's substantive rather than relational
approach.
On the Nonlocal side are only mostly advocates of David Bohm, who are
found mostly in the same nations where the above schools are
concentrated, including especially Germany, the U.K., the USA. In the
USA, only Rutgers University seems to be entirely or almost entirely
Bohmian in physics, but political factors are exerting considerable
pressure on Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Chicago among others to
follow suit.
Osher Doctorow
Add a third faction, the camp that believes that neither
locality nor non-locality exist... as a consequence of the
Kochen Specker Theorem.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kochen-specker/
We can call this camp the Matrix school of thought where positions,
distances, dimensions, etc. are not what they seem. They appear
to be just illusions.
p6
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars |
13 Aug 2005 06:44:21 PM |
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OsherD wrote:
From Osher Doctorow
COPYRIGHT NOTICE
Local vs Nonlocal Physics/Mathematics Wars
Copyright By Owner Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
First Published 2005
There is an "intellectual" War going on in physics between the Local
and Nonlocal schools, and it has various curious parallels with 20th
and 2st Century politically-inspired wars between corresponding
factions more or less.
On the Local side, which ranges from equally and highly valuing the
Individual and the Plurality to mostly valuing the Individual, are
several schools or factions which are often either independent or have
rather low interaction. I only list some of them now.
A. Algebraic Quantum (Field) Theory
B. Axiomatic Quantum (Field) Theory
C. Probable Influence (PI) Theory
D. Large Deviations Theory
E. General Relativity (GR) and its direct generalizations
F. Max Jammer's School
G. David Deutsch's School
H. (arguably) Sir Roger Penrose's substantive rather than relational
approach.
On the Nonlocal side are only mostly advocates of David Bohm, who are
found mostly in the same nations where the above schools are
concentrated, including especially Germany, the U.K., the USA. In the
USA, only Rutgers University seems to be entirely or almost entirely
Bohmian in physics, but political factors are exerting considerable
pressure on Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Chicago among others to
follow suit.
Osher Doctorow
Sorry, I am not following you.
You started off by stating a parallel between
local vs. non-local and political factions. What political factions?
And what local vs. non-local war are you talking about?
Bell's theorem discusses one form of non-locality. It's experimental
confirmation says that "spooky action at a distance" is here to stay.
The violation of Bell's theorem implies either a violation of SR or a
violation of separability. Is this the warfare that you are referring
to?
Or by non-locality do you mean non-local actions that result from terms
in a nonlocal Lagrangian that are non-local in the fields? The
Standard Model contains all local actions while some theories that try
to extend the standard model incorporate nonlocal actions. Why is this
warfare? Everyone believes that there is physics beyond the Standard
Model.
--Mike Jr.
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