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Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Roger Coppock" |
| Date: |
23 Sep 2005 07:29:18 PM |
| Object: |
Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
Fossil fools live in a fossil fool fantasy, a world
where everything, even the laws of physics, is all lies.
For example, one of the fossil fool fucks on
alt.global-warming, Mr. Ray Lopez, actually said,
"to stop a bus going 60 mph I once calculated takes less
energy than to bring a teacup of water to a boil." -- Ray Lopez
(Post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/browse_frm/thread/d59c2285629b5d50?hl=en
)
Now a sane person, and that would exclude Mr. Lopez,
would think that we have either:
-- a very small bus, or
-- a very large teacup, or
-- some very cold water, or
-- a very bad calculation.
Let's do the calculation correctly for Mr. Lopez:
START WITH THAT SPEEDING BUS . . .
According to the California Department of Education Utility Bus
Specifications, an empty school school bus weighs 24,695 pounds,
and the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, is 37,000 pounds. Please see:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/tn/or/busspecs.asp
Let's use a nice round number in the middle somewhere, say 30,000
pounds.
Now how much kinetic energy does a bus have a 60 MPH?
60 MPH is 60 * 5280 / (60*60) = 88 feet/sec
The kinetic energy of a non-relativistic object is one-half the product
of its mass and its velocity squared.
http://www.st-agnes.org/~lstinson/webpages/kinpot.htm
Ke = M * V*V/2 = (60*5280/(60*60))^2 * 30000/2 = more than 100,000,000
foot-pounds of energy is required to stop a bus going at 60 miles an
hour.
NOW, ABOUT THAT TEACUP . . .
First three definitions:
1) One Btu is equal to the amount of heat required to raise the
temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1 degree Fahrenheit at its
maximum density, which occurs at a temperature of 39.1 degrees
Fahrenheit.
http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/B/Btu.html
2) One pint is equal to 2.0 cups. (Don't I wish these were metric
units!)
3) A pint is a pound the whole world around.
So, our teacup holds 1/2 pound of water.
(Actually, the tea cups in the Coppock household hold less,
but let's give Ray the benefit of the doubt.)
To raise that from room temperature, ~68F, to boiling, 212F, is about a
150F difference.
To do that takes 150 * 1/2 = 75 Btu
WHICH IS GREATER?
100,000,000 foot-pounds to stop that 60MPH bus, OR
75 Btu to boil the water in the teacup.
Ray said the teacup, with 75 Btu, was bigger.
1 Btu equals 778.3 foot-pounds
http://www.businessstart-up.com/si.htm
So, our 75 Btu is about 60000 foot-pounds and only
1/2000th the energy needed to stop that 60MPH bus.
Ray's claimed calculation was wrong by 3 decimal orders
of magnitude.
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY . . .
Ray (loopie) Lopez couldn't pass high school physics.
His statements have zero predictive value for policy
making concerns.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/browse_frm/thread/d59c2285629b5d50?hl=en
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 10:58:45 AM |
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"Roger Coppock" <rcoppock@adnc.com> wrote in message
news:1127521758.898818.39230@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Fossil fools live in a fossil fool fantasy, a world
| where everything, even the laws of physics, is all lies.
| For example, one of the fossil fool fucks on
| alt.global-warming, Mr. Ray Lopez, actually said,
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| "to stop a bus going 60 mph I once calculated takes less
| energy than to bring a teacup of water to a boil." -- Ray Lopez
| (Post:
|
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/browse_frm/thread/d59c2285629b5d50?hl=en
| )
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| Now a sane person, and that would exclude Mr. Lopez,
| would think that we have either:
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| -- a very small bus, or
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| -- a very large teacup, or
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| -- some very cold water, or
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| -- a very bad calculation.
Or an enormous tree in the way.
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| Let's do the calculation correctly for Mr. Lopez:
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| START WITH THAT SPEEDING BUS . . .
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| According to the California Department of Education Utility Bus
| Specifications, an empty school school bus weighs 24,695 pounds,
| and the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, is 37,000 pounds. Please see:
| http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/tn/or/busspecs.asp
That's a good place to start.
http://www.visitsequoia.com/images/h_r02c01.jpg
A Califor-nee-aye-eh redwood will stop a 60 mph bus.
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| Let's use a nice round number in the middle somewhere, say 30,000
| pounds.
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| Now how much kinetic energy does a bus have a 60 MPH?
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| 60 MPH is 60 * 5280 / (60*60) = 88 feet/sec
|
| The kinetic energy of a non-relativistic object is one-half the
product
| of its mass and its velocity squared.
| http://www.st-agnes.org/~lstinson/webpages/kinpot.htm
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| Ke = M * V*V/2 = (60*5280/(60*60))^2 * 30000/2 = more than 100,000,000
| foot-pounds of energy is required to stop a bus going at 60 miles an
| hour.
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The tree used energy? Nah... it just stood there. The bus LOST energy.
It was used up in crumpling the fender (and the passengers).
| NOW, ABOUT THAT TEACUP . . .
|
| First three definitions:
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| 1) One Btu is equal to the amount of heat required to raise the
| temperature of one pound of liquid water by 1 degree Fahrenheit at its
| maximum density, which occurs at a temperature of 39.1 degrees
| Fahrenheit.
| http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/B/Btu.html
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| 2) One pint is equal to 2.0 cups. (Don't I wish these were metric
| units!)
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| 3) A pint is a pound the whole world around.
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| So, our teacup holds 1/2 pound of water.
| (Actually, the tea cups in the Coppock household hold less,
| but let's give Ray the benefit of the doubt.)
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| To raise that from room temperature, ~68F, to boiling, 212F, is about
a
| 150F difference.
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| To do that takes 150 * 1/2 = 75 Btu
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| WHICH IS GREATER?
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| 100,000,000 foot-pounds to stop that 60MPH bus, OR
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| 75 Btu to boil the water in the teacup.
The water in the teacup. 75 BTU > -100,000,000 foot-pounds
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| Ray said the teacup, with 75 Btu, was bigger.
He's right. Numbers that are positive are bigger than numbers
that are negative.
The cup still has energy, the bus doesn't; it took negative
energy to stop the bus and bring its energy to zero.
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| 1 Btu equals 778.3 foot-pounds
| http://www.businessstart-up.com/si.htm
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| So, our 75 Btu is about 60000 foot-pounds and only
| 1/2000th the energy needed to stop that 60MPH bus.
| Ray's claimed calculation was wrong by 3 decimal orders
| of magnitude.
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| THE MORAL OF THIS STORY . . .
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| Ray (loopie) Lopez couldn't pass high school physics.
Nor could you, Roger (loopie) Coppock.
Androcles.
| His statements have zero predictive value for policy
| making concerns.
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|
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/browse_frm/thread/d59c2285629b5d50?hl=en
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 12:57:45 PM |
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You've applied ENRON accounting to physics.
A Nobel Prize can't be far away.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
23 Sep 2005 11:13:35 PM |
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No, the moral is that life is easier with the metric system. ALWAYS
use MKSA units (Meters, Kilograms, Seconds, Amperes) and then you never
have to convert things like BTU to some other weird unit. Remember
your physical constants in MKSA.
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| User: "Raymond Arritt" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
23 Sep 2005 11:38:39 PM |
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wrote:
No, the moral is that life is easier with the metric system. ALWAYS
use MKSA units (Meters, Kilograms, Seconds, Amperes) and then you never
have to convert things like BTU to some other weird unit. Remember
your physical constants in MKSA.
And Kelvins. Just because sometimes I can't resist nitpicking.
But your basic point is well taken.
ex:
15000 kg/bus * 1/2 * (30 m/s)^2 = 6.75 MJ/bus
If memory serves, latent heat of vaporization is about 2.25 MJ/kg for
water at 100 C. (Maybe not quite right, but we're doing back-of-envelope
stuff here.)
So we could boil (6.75 MJ / 2.25 MJ/kg) = 3 kg of water per speeding
bus. That doesn't count the heat required to bring the water from
ambient temperature to 100 C, but we can leave that as homework.
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 02:44:12 AM |
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Ray said, ". . . to bring a teacup of water to a boil."
The heat of vaporization is not needed here.
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| User: "raylopez99" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:55:08 AM |
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Roger--this is the first time you used '*****' in a post to me. I must
be getting under your skin. Must hurt, to devote your life to science,
see no material rewards, get laughed at by anonymous men (at the
bathhouse), get laughed at by anonymous men (on this newsgroup), and
then find your little life is meaningless. Ahahahansen would agree.
No, I stated that the heat of vapourization is indeed needed--the water
must boil away to steam.
If you do the math, you will find I am right.
RL
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 10:24:30 AM |
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"raylopez99" <raylopez99@yahoo.com> the wise one, wrote in message
news:1127552108.509400.277360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Roger--this is the first time you used '*****' in a post to me. I must
be getting under your skin. Must hurt, to devote your life to science,
see no material rewards, get laughed at by anonymous men (at the
bathhouse), get laughed at by anonymous men (on this newsgroup), and
then find your little life is meaningless. Ahahahansen would agree.
[hanson]
ahahaha... ahahaha... yes, I do agree, Ray, if you amend the 2nd last
phrase to "find your, Roger's, little life is a meaningless green"
After all Roger is damaged goods, the poor sod, and hangs on to
any green straw he can grasp. You gotta show compassion, Ray...
ahahaha...
No, I stated that the heat of vapourization is indeed needed
-- the water must boil away to steam.
If you do the math, you will find I am right.
RL
[hanson]
ahahaha... Don't even try any elementary arithmetic with enviros.
Enviro science is to Science what Astrology is to Astromomy.
Their enviro class 3, the hordes of little green idiots, have no idea
what vaporization or math is... They only get steamed and boil
if and when the read their green bible that says:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
It's a different story with class 1 & 2. They know green math very
well to calculate their PROFITS from the graft off their extorsions
via permit charges, user fees, envirosur- and kydiotd carbon taxes:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
Class (1)
Green *****(s): ...are the ones who advocate, promote,
support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax,
all reflected in HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!,
and being responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
Class (2)
Green turd(s):... are the ones who are recipients and
beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
Class (3)
Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
who think they do something for the "environment", when in
fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
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| User: "Schoenfeld" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 10:55:07 AM |
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hanson wrote:
"raylopez99" <raylopez99@yahoo.com> the wise one, wrote in message
news:1127552108.509400.277360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Roger--this is the first time you used '*****' in a post to me. I must
be getting under your skin. Must hurt, to devote your life to science,
see no material rewards, get laughed at by anonymous men (at the
bathhouse), get laughed at by anonymous men (on this newsgroup), and
then find your little life is meaningless. Ahahahansen would agree.
[hanson]
ahahaha... ahahaha... yes, I do agree, Ray, if you amend the 2nd last
phrase to "find your, Roger's, little life is a meaningless green"
After all Roger is damaged goods, the poor sod, and hangs on to
any green straw he can grasp. You gotta show compassion, Ray...
ahahaha...
No, I stated that the heat of vapourization is indeed needed
-- the water must boil away to steam.
If you do the math, you will find I am right.
RL
[hanson]
ahahaha... Don't even try any elementary arithmetic with enviros.
Enviro science is to Science what Astrology is to Astromomy.
Their enviro class 3, the hordes of little green idiots, have no idea
what vaporization or math is... They only get steamed and boil
if and when the read their green bible that says:
Give it up you messed up druggy. The environmental impact of human
activity is exceedingly obvious and a basic physics problem. Go farm
some fucking produce in half the world and salinity will screw you.
Idiot hanson your bride Katrina will meet you down the yellow brick
road to fantasy land.
[snip druggy babble]
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:12:05 AM |
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496,801.4 foot-pounds of force to boil a cup of water from room
temperature to steamed dry. That is one cup (236.5882 CC, or grams)
times 680 calories =
160879.976 calories = 496801.4 foot-pounds force.
Roger calculated:
Ke = M * V*V/2 = (60*5280/(60*60))^2 * 30000/2 = more than 100,000,000
foot-pounds of energy is required to stop a bus going at 60 miles an
hour.
You have miscalulated by a factor of 2,000 times not enough.
I bet you stink in chess too.
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| User: "Bush Grandpa sold Thyssen coal to burn jews in Auschwitz" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 06:18:16 PM |
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Loopy's response was to up his estimate to a potful of water boiling
dry, containing three "kilograms" or three liters of water.
If he was short by 2,000 times, increasing the water to 2,000 cups is
the only way to equalize the equation. Multiplying his first mistake by
12 cups does not solve the problem. He's still of by a multiple of 166
times wrongness.
496,801.4 foot-pounds of force to boil a cup of water from room
temperature to steamed dry. That is one cup (236.5882 CC, or grams)
times 680 calories =
160879.976 calories = 496801.4 foot-pounds force.
Roger calculated:
Ke = M * V*V/2 = (60*5280/(60*60))^2 * 30000/2 = more than 100,000,000
foot-pounds of energy is required to stop a bus going at 60 miles an
hour.
You have miscalulated by a factor of 2,000 times not enough.
I bet Loopyy stinks in chess too.
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:09:47 AM |
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No Ray! You can't lie here; your every word is recorded.
You said, ". . . to bring a teacup of water to a boil."
Besides, it takes liquid water to make tea.
Who makes tea with water vapor? I know who.
Ray 'loopy' Lopez does!
Even with this latest obvious lie of yours, you're 'calculation'
is still wrong by two decimal orders of magnitude..
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| User: "raylopez99" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:20:42 PM |
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Dodger crappock-
You are wrong. Fess up to it Fester! You festering sore.
Here are the calculations:
We could boil (6.75 MJ / 2.25 MJ/kg) = 3 kg of water per speeding
bus. That doesn't count the heat required to bring the water from
ambient temperature to 100 C, but we can leave that as homework.
Three kilograms Rodger is about 3 liters, or roughly about 3/4 of a
gallon, which is about the size of a large tea kettle.
And if you add the heat to bring the water from room temperature to
boiling, then you need even LESS water.
You are incompetent as a scientist. Your posts are rubbish. No more
math from you, idiot. "With 6 nine's certainty" Rogers sometimes says
in his sig line. What a clown! "69" is the only certainty you know,
and I shudder to think with what sex or species you would couple with.
RL
Roger Coppock wrote:
No Ray! You can't lie here; your every word is recorded.
You said, ". . . to bring a teacup of water to a boil."
Besides, it takes liquid water to make tea.
Who makes tea with water vapor? I know who.
Ray 'loopy' Lopez does!
Even with this latest obvious lie of yours, you're 'calculation'
is still wrong by two decimal orders of magnitude..
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| User: "Coby Beck" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:40:05 PM |
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"raylopez99" <raylopez99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127593242.455493.213770@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Three kilograms Rodger is about 3 liters, or roughly about 3/4 of a
gallon, which is about the size of a large tea kettle.
You missed your calling, you should be Bush's press secretary.
--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 06:08:50 PM |
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Either a Bush PR man, a professional creationist, a used car salesman,
or some other kind of paid liar.
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| User: "raylopez99" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:03:56 AM |
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One more point for you following this debate. The original point was
that to stop a hurricane you do not need to input as much external
energy as the hurricane itself. In other words, could an "atomic bomb"
having an energy release but a fraction of a hurricane upset the
hurricane and dissipate it? Roger (the Dodger) Crappock thought (like
the NOAA) that you need for the atomic bomb to have the same energy
release as the kinetic energy of the hurricane.
I disagree. A hurricane is a delicate thing, like a ballon stretched.
It only takes a tiny amount of energy (the pin pricking the balloon
skin) to weaken a hurricane. So perhaps (if you do the modeling) a 100
MT hydrogen bomb could indeed upset a hurricane and dissipate it. An
analogy I drew was reports that waterspouts have been upset by firing
an artillery shell into them--or, if you've ever lived in the desert,
how "dust devils" (whirlwinds of dust, often several hundred meters
high) can be upset by driving a car through them. You don't need a
'brute force' technique where the energy input equals the energy of the
thing you are trying to disrupt.
But Rodger cannot grasp this simple truth. And we are supposed to
trust his judgement on Global Warming?
Stick to your day job Rodger--or maybe your night job--night janitor.
I'm going to bed now.
RL
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:16:31 AM |
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Loopie, if you can't get teacups and buses right,
DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND HURRICANES!
Those things are for grown-ups, OK?
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 02:26:42 AM |
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Agreed! Metric is better, but this piece was written
for Ray 'Loopy' Lopez, an American with little science
training or contacts in technically superior foreign
countries.
(Gee! It's enough to make a Fundamentalist Christian
out of me for a minute or two.)
AMEN BROTHER!
MKSA UNITS BEAT THAT OLD DEVIL BRITISH!
HALAJAUJA!
(Resume Buddhist mode.)
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
23 Sep 2005 11:36:37 PM |
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No, the moral of the story is to download "convert" and have it sitting
as an icon in your speedload bar on the bottom of the screen. Then, you
can convert anything to anything, painlessly.
http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/
One cup (8 ozs) of water = 236.5882 CCs
It takes one calorie to raise one CC (one gram) of water one degree C.
68F = 20C, need 80 degrees raise in temp to reach 100C
80 x 236.5882 = 18927.056 calories.
18927.056 calories = 75.10863 BTU = 79.2438 kilojoule = 22.01217
watt-hours
= 58447.23 foot-pound force = 0.0295188 horsepower-hour.
It takes 600 calories per CC of water to go from liquid to vapor at
100C without temperature change. But that's another subject beyond
loopy lopez.
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| User: "James Annan" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:09:58 AM |
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Roger Coppock wrote:
3) A pint is a pound the whole world around.
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It takes a very special sort of (USAian) person to say things like that :-)
James
--
James Annan
see web pages for email
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/
http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:27:37 AM |
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Akzually, a pint is a cup in any good English pub. and it costs a pound.
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:46:24 AM |
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.. . . and to confuse everything completely, you can fill it with
enought water to weigh one pound.
Geesh, no wonder the British went metric!
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| User: "James Annan" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:51:47 AM |
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Roger Coppock wrote:
. . . and to confuse everything completely, you can fill it with
enought water to weigh one pound.
And still have space for an extra 4 floz, which was my point...
James
--
James Annan
see web pages for email
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/
http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 03:57:52 AM |
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Now you've lost me. Please explain, James.
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| User: "James Annan" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:35:53 AM |
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Roger Coppock wrote:
Now you've lost me. Please explain, James.
"A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter"
Google should help (on that exact phrase, and your version).
James
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James Annan
see web pages for email
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/
http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 04:48:43 AM |
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A US pint is 473.1765 grams.
A UK pint is 568.261 grams.
A pound (advp) is 453.5924 grams.
A pound (troy) is 373.2417 grams.
Neither pint weighs either pounds. A pint of ice might weigh a pound
(advp), but I've never measured that. At least you are both somewhere
in the ballpark. Loopy Lopez off by a factor of 2,000 times wrongness
is not on the same planet.
Just in case you get stuck sometime and need to know, a pint of
diamonds is 2365.882 carats, and if you burn them it would probably
stop a speeding schoolbus. But again, I've never measured this.
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| User: "James Annan" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 05:49:14 AM |
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Melchizedek wrote:
A US pint is 473.1765 grams.
A UK pint is 568.261 grams.
A pint is a measure of volume (and those values seem to refer to water).
Is there a common fluid for which a fluid ounce weighs an ounce in the
US? In the UK, a fluid ounce of water weighs an ounce (28.4 ml and g
respectively).
James
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| User: "Richard Tobin" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 06:02:12 AM |
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In article <3pkp3nFb0nu5U1@individual.net>,
James Annan <still_the_same_me@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is there a common fluid for which a fluid ounce weighs an ounce in the
US?
Water at just below boiling point must be very close.
-- Richard
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| User: "Roger Coppock" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 11:43:19 AM |
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OH, HOW ARCANE!
BRITISH UNITS ARE EVIL!
METRIC FOREVER!
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| User: "Richard Tobin" |
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| Title: Re: Loopie Lopez, the Teacup, and Speeding Bus |
24 Sep 2005 05:55:57 AM |
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In article <3pkfp1Fas30gU1@individual.net>,
James Annan <still_the_same_me@hotmail.com> wrote:
3) A pint is a pound the whole world around.
It takes a very special sort of (USAian) person to say things like that :-)
Which is strange because it's not even true in the USA (at least not
at room temperature).
-- Richard
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