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User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"
Date: 07 Sep 2005 05:56:53 AM
Object: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog
Einstein first quested to fulfil Mach's principle in 1912 (on the basis
of a then-scalar theory of gravity).
He asked (in the paper's title), "Gibt es eine Gravitationswirkung, ah
to Hell with it
or in English, "Is there a Gravitational Action which is the Analog of
the Electrodynamic Induction Action?"
Einstein considers a Spherical shell of mass M (big!) and radius R, and
a test mass m at the center. He concludes that the mere presence of M
increases m by GM/Rc^2 (a result since dismissed by Brans as an
illusionary coordinate effect). Einstein also shows that an
acceleration a of M induces an acceleration of m of magnitude
3GMa/2Rc^2. Both results are very similar to those derived in his
final gravitational theory, the accelerational parts of which are
affirmed by by post-Brans Machians.
Now, Einstein noted that the induced acceleration of m is in the SAME
direction as that of M. This is in contradistinction to the case in
electromagnetism, where -- between LIKE charges, the induced
acceleration is in the OPPOSITE direction.
In a recent posting, I suggested that -- if inertia is gravitational in
origin -- the Universe cannot be accelerating due to a predominantly
negative force in Einstein's gravitiational equation, because the
resultant negative cosmic gravitation field would cause inertia to be
negative (masses would accelerate in direction of push).
If gravity indeed acts in a manner analogous to electromagnetism, this
would be fundamental evidence against the postulated acceleration of
the Universe.
.

User: "Sue..."

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 14 Sep 2005 06:20:03 AM
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

Einstein first quested to fulfil Mach's principle in 1912 (on the basis
of a then-scalar theory of gravity).

He asked (in the paper's title), "Gibt es eine Gravitationswirkung, ah
to Hell with it

or in English, "Is there a Gravitational Action which is the Analog of
the Electrodynamic Induction Action?"

Einstein considers a Spherical shell of mass M (big!) and radius R, and
a test mass m at the center. He concludes that the mere presence of M
increases m by GM/Rc^2 (a result since dismissed by Brans as an
illusionary coordinate effect). Einstein also shows that an
acceleration a of M induces an acceleration of m of magnitude
3GMa/2Rc^2. Both results are very similar to those derived in his
final gravitational theory, the accelerational parts of which are
affirmed by by post-Brans Machians.

Now, Einstein noted that the induced acceleration of m is in the SAME
direction as that of M. This is in contradistinction to the case in
electromagnetism, where -- between LIKE charges, the induced
acceleration is in the OPPOSITE direction.

In a recent posting, I suggested that -- if inertia is gravitational in
origin -- the Universe cannot be accelerating due to a predominantly
negative force in Einstein's gravitiational equation, because the
resultant negative cosmic gravitation field would cause inertia to be
negative (masses would accelerate in direction of push).

If gravity indeed acts in a manner analogous to electromagnetism, this
would be fundamental evidence against the postulated acceleration of
the Universe.

<<If gravity indeed acts in a manner analogous to electromagnetism,
this
would be fundamental evidence against the postulated acceleration of
the Universe. >>
<<The Chandrasekhar limit arises from taking account of the effects of
quantum mechanics in considering the behaviour of the electrons
providing the degeneracy pressure supporting the white dwarf.
Electrons, being fermions, cannot be at equal energy levels, so that,
when an electron gas is cooling down, it is impossible to give them all
minimal energy. Plenty of electrons will have to stay at higher energy
levels and will thus give a certain pressure, which is purely quantum
mechanical in its nature. >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit
That looks like a 'swell' mechanism for a quantum gravity to become
weaker as stars collapse. The result would be accelerating
expansion...
Eh ?
Sue...
.
User: "Mahmoud In My Dinner Jacket"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 06 Oct 2005 05:09:29 AM
Dear Sue,
Belated thanks for all your references.
Yours sincerely,
Mahmoud
(ex Kooky)
.


User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 09 Sep 2005 05:12:12 AM
WOT?? No-one interested in Mach's Principle on these groups? If you
ask me (you don't!), you're all a bunch of kooks.
Let's include sci.physics.particle now. After all, most particles have
mass ....
(Also please note correction to formulae to include m.)
-----------------------
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

Einstein first quested to fulfil Mach's principle in 1912 (on the basis
of a then-scalar theory of gravity).

He asked (in the paper's title), "Gibt es eine Gravitationswirkung, ah
to Hell with it

or in English, "Is there a Gravitational Action which is the Analog of
the Electrodynamic Induction Action?"

Einstein considers a Spherical shell of mass M (big!) and radius R, and
a test mass m at the center. He concludes that the mere presence of M
increases m by GmM/Rc^2 (a result since dismissed by Brans as an
illusionary coordinate effect). Einstein also shows that an
acceleration a of M induces an acceleration of m of magnitude
3GmMa/2Rc^2. Both results are very similar to those derived in his
final gravitational theory, the accelerational parts of which are
affirmed by by post-Brans Machians.

Now, Einstein noted that the induced acceleration of m is in the SAME
direction as that of M. This is in contradistinction to the case in
electromagnetism, where -- between LIKE charges, the induced
acceleration is in the OPPOSITE direction.

In a recent posting, I suggested that -- if inertia is gravitational in
origin -- the Universe cannot be accelerating due to a predominantly
negative force in Einstein's gravitiational equation, because the
resultant negative cosmic gravitation field would cause inertia to be
negative (masses would accelerate in direction of push).

If gravity indeed acts in a manner analogous to electromagnetism, this
would be fundamental evidence against the postulated acceleration of
the Universe.

.
User: "Sue..."

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 12 Sep 2005 07:59:47 AM
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

WOT?? No-one interested in Mach's Principle on these groups? If you
ask me (you don't!), you're all a bunch of kooks.

Sure!
There is much to consider in Mach's principle.
Maxwell didn't get the speed of light through
a "space-time continuum".
He got it from Weber, who measured it on the
surface of a conductor.
http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm
Sue...


Let's include sci.physics.particle now. After all, most particles have
mass ....

(Also please note correction to formulae to include m.)

-----------------------

Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

Einstein first quested to fulfil Mach's principle in 1912 (on the basis
of a then-scalar theory of gravity).

He asked (in the paper's title), "Gibt es eine Gravitationswirkung, ah
to Hell with it

or in English, "Is there a Gravitational Action which is the Analog of
the Electrodynamic Induction Action?"

Einstein considers a Spherical shell of mass M (big!) and radius R, and
a test mass m at the center. He concludes that the mere presence of M
increases m by GmM/Rc^2 (a result since dismissed by Brans as an
illusionary coordinate effect). Einstein also shows that an
acceleration a of M induces an acceleration of m of magnitude
3GmMa/2Rc^2. Both results are very similar to those derived in his
final gravitational theory, the accelerational parts of which are
affirmed by by post-Brans Machians.

Now, Einstein noted that the induced acceleration of m is in the SAME
direction as that of M. This is in contradistinction to the case in
electromagnetism, where -- between LIKE charges, the induced
acceleration is in the OPPOSITE direction.

In a recent posting, I suggested that -- if inertia is gravitational in
origin -- the Universe cannot be accelerating due to a predominantly
negative force in Einstein's gravitiational equation, because the
resultant negative cosmic gravitation field would cause inertia to be
negative (masses would accelerate in direction of push).

If gravity indeed acts in a manner analogous to electromagnetism, this
would be fundamental evidence against the postulated acceleration of
the Universe.

.
User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 14 Sep 2005 04:33:07 AM
Sue... wrote:

Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

WOT?? No-one interested in Mach's Principle on these groups? If you
ask me (you don't!), you're all a bunch of kooks.


Sure!
There is much to consider in Mach's principle.

Maxwell didn't get the speed of light through
a "space-time continuum".

He got it from Weber, who measured it on the
surface of a conductor.

http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm

Sue...


WOT does c have to do with Mach's Principle?
.
User: "Sue..."

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 14 Sep 2005 05:31:24 AM
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

Sue... wrote:

Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

WOT?? No-one interested in Mach's Principle on these groups? If you
ask me (you don't!), you're all a bunch of kooks.


Sure!
There is much to consider in Mach's principle.

Maxwell didn't get the speed of light through
a "space-time continuum".

He got it from Weber, who measured it on the
surface of a conductor.

http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm

Sue...



WOT does c have to do with Mach's Principle?

<< alpha is proportional to e^2, it is viewed as the square of an
effective charge "screened by vacuum polarization and seen from an
infinite distance." >>
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/alpha.html
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
Note that a charge is *negative* to the degree that
something exist more *positive* than itself.
The correlation cannot be very explicit because:
<<Mach's principle was never developed into a quantitative
physical theory that would explain a mechanism by which the
stars can have such an effect.1 Although Einstein was
intrigued by Mach's principle, his general relativity does
not fully agree with it. There have been attempts to formulate
a theory which is more fully Machian, such as Brans-Dicke
theory, but none have been completely successful. >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach%27s_principle
Sue...
Some Mach and Weber related papers:
http://www.ifi.unicamp.br/~assis/wpapers.htm
.
User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 14 Sep 2005 05:43:45 AM
Alpha? Yes but .......
.
User: "Sue..."

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 14 Sep 2005 06:02:28 AM
Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel wrote:

Alpha? Yes but .......

but... you have a better equation than:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
....to descrbe the mechanism whereby a
charge in a sodium lamp moves, then some
predictable period of time later it results
in the motion of a charge in the retina of
of your eye?
Sue...
.





User: ""

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 09 Sep 2005 06:53:01 AM
You meany! Dont you dare call me names!!!!!!!!
.
User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 09 Sep 2005 06:58:47 AM
wrote:

You meany! Dont you dare call me names!!!!!!!!

Being on Mach's Principle, this thread's a bit -- heavy!
.

User: "Too Many Kooks Spoil the Brothel"

Title: Re: Mach's Principle and the Electrodynamic Induction Analog 12 Sep 2005 05:26:27 AM
wrote:

You meany! Dont you dare call me names!!!!!!!!

It's about time someone did, BTW, since you don't bother to give one to
yourself.
.




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