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"W. Watson" |
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31 Mar 2007 06:39:04 PM |
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Measuring Pressure from Inside |
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
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Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
31 Mar 2007 10:05:28 PM |
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"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure =
from=20
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
=20
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up. =20
It will fill with fluid up to the hole and leave an air bubble=20
under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right,=20
but it will work.=20
It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of=20
a diver or an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated=20
and then drop it into a screw top coke bottle.=20
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| User: "W. Watson" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
01 Apr 2007 11:22:58 AM |
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How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up.
It will fill with fluid up to the hole and leave an air bubble
under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right,
but it will work.
It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of
a diver or an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated
and then drop it into a screw top coke bottle.
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "Herman Family" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
01 Apr 2007 09:53:03 PM |
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"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:t%QPh.2248$H_5.1353@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure
from inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up. It will fill with fluid up to
the hole and leave an air bubble under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right, but it will
work. It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of a diver or
an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated and then drop it into
a screw top coke bottle.
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, use a differential pressure meter with one side attached to a
calibrated pressure.
Michael
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| User: "W. Watson" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
02 Apr 2007 02:27:28 PM |
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I'll consider it.
Herman Family wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:t%QPh.2248$H_5.1353@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure
from inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up. It will fill with fluid up to
the hole and leave an air bubble under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right, but it will
work. It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of a diver or
an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated and then drop it into
a screw top coke bottle.
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, use a differential pressure meter with one side attached to a
calibrated pressure.
Michael
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Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
01 Apr 2007 12:57:03 PM |
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You said inexpensive, I gave you inexpensive for free.=20
I thought you wanted a toy for a soda-pop bottle, but if you mean
business then let's talk money.
The more stringent your specification the higher the price,
but your requirements can be met.
How about =A350 ($100) an hour, minimum fee 1 x 8-hour day?
Or just give me a full specification and I'll quote you a price,
in most cases there will be something commercially available
and I'll only charge you a search fee.
If not then I'll build it for you after you sign a contract, but you=20
are not going to get inexpensive that way. There are tight laws
governing pressure vessels in all Western countries and have been
since steam engine boilers exploded 150 years ago.
A transparent pressure vessel? That's going to be very limited,=20
OSHA will be all over it like drosophila melanogaster on two-day=20
old mashed banana.=20
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:t%QPh.2248$H_5.1353@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
=20
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure =
pressure from=20
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up. =20
It will fill with fluid up to the hole and leave an air bubble=20
under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right,=20
but it will work.=20
It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of=20
a diver or an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated=20
and then drop it into a screw top coke bottle.=20
=20
=20
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
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Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "W. Watson" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
02 Apr 2007 02:25:42 PM |
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"Are you talking to me?", Robert DeNiro in the movie Taxi.
Androcles wrote:
You said inexpensive, I gave you inexpensive for free.
I thought you wanted a toy for a soda-pop bottle, but if you mean
business then let's talk money.
The more stringent your specification the higher the price,
but your requirements can be met.
How about £50 ($100) an hour, minimum fee 1 x 8-hour day?
Or just give me a full specification and I'll quote you a price,
in most cases there will be something commercially available
and I'll only charge you a search fee.
If not then I'll build it for you after you sign a contract, but you
are not going to get inexpensive that way. There are tight laws
governing pressure vessels in all Western countries and have been
since steam engine boilers exploded 150 years ago.
A transparent pressure vessel? That's going to be very limited,
OSHA will be all over it like drosophila melanogaster on two-day
old mashed banana.
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:t%QPh.2248$H_5.1353@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up.
It will fill with fluid up to the hole and leave an air bubble
under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right,
but it will work.
It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of
a diver or an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated
and then drop it into a screw top coke bottle.
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
02 Apr 2007 02:59:32 PM |
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"Damnly my frank, I don't give a dear." (Plagiarised from Clarke Gable =
in the movie "Gone With The Wind").
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:WMcQh.4689$u03.747@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
"Are you talking to me?", Robert DeNiro in the movie Taxi.
=20
Androcles wrote:
You said inexpensive, I gave you inexpensive for free.=20
I thought you wanted a toy for a soda-pop bottle, but if you mean
business then let's talk money.
=20
The more stringent your specification the higher the price,
but your requirements can be met.
How about =A350 ($100) an hour, minimum fee 1 x 8-hour day?
Or just give me a full specification and I'll quote you a price,
in most cases there will be something commercially available
and I'll only charge you a search fee.
If not then I'll build it for you after you sign a contract, but you=20
are not going to get inexpensive that way. There are tight laws
governing pressure vessels in all Western countries and have been
since steam engine boilers exploded 150 years ago.
A transparent pressure vessel? That's going to be very limited,=20
OSHA will be all over it like drosophila melanogaster on two-day=20
old mashed banana.=20
=20
=20
=20
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:t%QPh.2248$H_5.1353@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
How about if the bottle is filled with air or some other gas?
=20
=20
Androcles wrote:
"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message =
news:siCPh.20196$uo3.16623@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure =
pressure from=20
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Yes, and very accurately once calibrated.
The weighted air bubble does a good job.
Take a plastic straw and seal one end, then place a hole
in the side about 1/4 inch below the sealed end and
drop it in to the bottle, sealed end up. =20
It will fill with fluid up to the hole and leave an air bubble=20
under the seal. Thus it will float.
Now pressurize the bottle, the air bubble will have a
lower volume and the straw will sink. Lower the pressure
again and the straw will rise. You may need to add some
blue tack to bottom of the straw to get the balance right,=20
but it will work.=20
It is a simple matter to mould plastic into the shape of=20
a diver or an octopus or some such once you have it calibrated=20
and then drop it into a screw top coke bottle.=20
=20
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
=20
--=20
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
=20
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
01 Apr 2007 04:11:34 PM |
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"W. Watson" wrote:
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
Androcles is a Fermi surface of stooopidity.
Google
"cartesian diver" 37,100 hits
The position of a drop of mercury sealing a closed capillary tube
filled with gas would do it.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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01 Apr 2007 04:47:26 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message =
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"W. Watson" wrote:
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Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure =
pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
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Androcles is a Fermi surface of stooopidity.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Morons/UncleStooopid.htm
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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01 Apr 2007 06:06:20 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:46102006.FE1C439B@hate.spam.net...
"W. Watson" wrote:
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
Androcles is a Fermi surface of stooopidity.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Morons/UncleStooopid.htm
Hey critic troll - where is your operative answer to his question?
You do not have any answer. You are an empirical Fermi surface of
stooopidity. You shout that you are the heir to the throne of the
Kingdom of Idiots. You are merely an Even Start dropout,
http://www.evenstart.org/
http://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/cd/op/evenstart.asp
http://www.ed.gov/programs/evenstartformula/index.html
Nobody is going to kiss you, frog, not even Bella Abzug.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
01 Apr 2007 06:13:39 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message =
news:46103AEC.B03C529E@hate.spam.net...
Androcles wrote:
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message =
news:46102006.FE1C439B@hate.spam.net...
"W. Watson" wrote:
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure =
pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
Androcles is a Fermi surface of stooopidity.
=20
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Morons/UncleStooopid.htm
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Hey critic troll=20
[snip river of *****]
FOaD :-)
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| User: "W. Watson" |
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| Title: Re: Measuring Pressure from Inside |
02 Apr 2007 02:29:11 PM |
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You've got that right.
I'll consider the mercury idea.
Uncle Al wrote:
"W. Watson" wrote:
Are there any inexpensive devices that can be used to measure pressure from
inside an enclosed but transparent container like a bottle?
Androcles is a Fermi surface of stooopidity.
Google
"cartesian diver" 37,100 hits
The position of a drop of mercury sealing a closed capillary tube
filled with gas would do it.
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
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