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Topic: Science > Physics
User: ""
Date: 06 Feb 2005 02:06:22 PM
Object: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity
Hello group,
Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.
When I looked on, it seemed, as if there is already strong evidence,
that the base assumptions are flawed.
Is this thing still something that gets debated?
Thanks in advance,
Bye.
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 06:00:44 PM
wrote:


Hello group,

Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.

When I looked on, it seemed, as if there is already strong evidence,
that the base assumptions are flawed.

Is this thing still something that gets debated?

Thanks in advance,

The Alcubierre drive is debunked. There is no way to communicate
outside the warp bubble, so it cannot be navigated or selectively
stopped. Suppose you could go anywhere in the universe instantly, but
had no control over your destination? Reduction to practice is the
small problem.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "The Ghost In The Machine"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 10:00:08 PM
In sci.physics, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote
on Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:00:44 -0800
<4206AFAC.56A7B5B4@hate.spam.net>:

dunklervater@yahoo.com wrote:


Hello group,

Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.

When I looked on, it seemed, as if there is already strong evidence,
that the base assumptions are flawed.

Is this thing still something that gets debated?

Thanks in advance,


The Alcubierre drive is debunked. There is no way to communicate
outside the warp bubble, so it cannot be navigated or selectively
stopped. Suppose you could go anywhere in the universe instantly, but
had no control over your destination? Reduction to practice is the
small problem.

A more likely scenario is reduction into a small glowing spot
on any planet or asteroid that happens to be in the way, or a small
puff of relatively cool gas if one happens to run into a star... :-)
--
#191,

It's still legal to go .sigless.
.
User: "Morituri-|-Max"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 10:58:04 PM
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

A more likely scenario is reduction into a small glowing spot
on any planet or asteroid that happens to be in the way, or a small
puff of relatively cool gas if one happens to run into a star... :-)

Or rather, not so much running *into* the star, but ending up in a star
before you got there... 8 )
.


User: "Jesse Mazer"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 08:57:57 PM
Uncle Al wrote:

dunklervater@yahoo.com wrote:


Hello group,

Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.

When I looked on, it seemed, as if there is already strong evidence,
that the base assumptions are flawed.

Is this thing still something that gets debated?

Thanks in advance,



The Alcubierre drive is debunked. There is no way to communicate
outside the warp bubble, so it cannot be navigated or selectively
stopped. Suppose you could go anywhere in the universe instantly, but
had no control over your destination? Reduction to practice is the
small problem.



According to this paper, it has not even been proven that there are any
solutions to the equations of general relativity involving an Alcubierre
"warp bubble" that moves faster than light:
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9906050

The most problematic feature of the warp drive geometry is the
behaviour of the negative energy densities in the warp bubble wall [2,
5]. If the Alcubierre spacetime is taken literally, part of the exotic
matter will have to move superluminally with respect to the local
lightcone. It is easy to see that all exotic matter outside some
surface surrounding the center (let us call this the critical
surface), will move in a spacelike direction. For vs > 1, there has to
be exotic matter outside the critical surface, since the function f
must reach the value 0 for some rs (which, of course, can be
infinity), and the negative energy density is proportional to
(df/drs)^2 for an ‘Eulerian observer’ [1]. As noted in [5], the
Alcubierre spacetime is an example of what can happen when the
Einstein equations are run in the ‘wrong’ direction, first specifying
a metric, then calculating the associated energy–momentum tensor.

The problem of tachyonic motion can be interpreted as meaning that
part of the necessary exotic matter is not able to keep up with the
rest of the bubble: if one would try to make a warp bubble go
superluminal, the outer shell would be left behind, destroying the
warp effect.

It is conceivable that the problem can be circumvented, for example by
letting the distribution of exotic matter expand into a ‘tail’ in the
back. It may be possible to do this in a way compatible with both the
QI and the Quantum Interest Conjecture introduced in [13], which
states that a pulse of negative energy must always be followed by a
larger pulse of positive energy. However, it is unlikely that one can
get rid of tachyonic motion of the exotic matter without introducing a
naked curvature singularity in the front of the bubble [14].

Also, it should be pointed out that even if it would be possible to move
"faster than light" in a broad sense by using an Alcubierre warp bubble,
the ship would never *locally* exceed the speed of light in its own
local neighborhood. The same would be true of taking a shortcut to a
distant region through a wormhole, if this was possible (GR says it is,
but it may be ruled out by quantum gravity).
Jesse
.


User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 03:03:57 PM
wrote:


Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.


No arbitrary information -- FTL
No measured velocity of matter -- FTL or at light speed
.

User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 02:10:34 PM
wrote:


Recently I came across the paper of Miguel Alcubierre at arxiv, and
found it very interesting to see, that there might be physical laws
that allow superluminar velocities.

No arbitrary information -- FTL
No measured velocity of matter -- FTL or at light speed
.

User: "Morituri-|-Max"

Title: Re: Miguel Alcubierre and superluminar velocity 06 Feb 2005 02:39:45 PM
wrote:

that allow superluminar velocities.

Are you chinese? *Superluminal* seems to be the term you are searching for.
If you're going to jump into science fiction at least get the spelling
right.
.


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