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Moon can supply our energy needs for ever |
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
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http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052306.1B.lunar.power.12150b33.html
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
Web Posted: 05/23/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Cindy Tumiel
San Antonio Express-News
As the price of oil hovers at $70 a barrel, a Texas scientist claims
to have a surefire way to deflate the escalating cost of energy and
ease the political vise-grip that oil-producing nations hold on the
rest of the world.
advertisement
David Criswell, a professor at the University of Houston, says there
is a source of power out there bountiful enough to light every
household on Earth for the next 4 billion years, end worries about
greenhouse gas emissions and set OPEC on its ear.
There is a catch, though. You have to fly to the moon to get it.
Energy from the sun is 30 percent stronger on the moon because it has
no atmosphere to shield it or kick up weather events that interfere
with the solar rays hitting it with full force.
So while some earthbound thinkers are trying to turn wind, corn,
household waste and cow dung into consumable energy, a small group of
far-reaching physicists and engineers has already spent years testing
the theories and working on the practicalities of tapping into solar
power that abounds in outer space.
Some say the moon is the perfect place to set up shop, but others
think humans don't need to go nearly that far. Their idea is to float
satellites full of solar collectors in an orbit where the devices
would face the sun 24 hours a day, capture the energy and transmit it
back to Earth.
Criswell's vision calls for establishing lunar mining camps populated
with human prospectors who would work six-month shifts building and
operating the gear that harvests solar power and sends it streaming
240,000 miles back to Earth.
They would fly to the moon with the equipment they need and use raw
materials already on the moon to build thin sheets of silicon-based
solar collectors and microwave converters. Receivers on Earth would
catch the microwaves, turn them into electricity and feed the energy
into the global power grid.
Harvesting a small part of the solar energy that strikes the moon
would solve environmental problems caused by coal-burning power plants
and provide enough power to bring a reasonable level of prosperity to
10 billion people, the projected population of Earth in 2050, Criswell
said.
"You get rid of having to search for the fuel, you get rid of the ash,
you don't have to buy the land or build the power station, and you
don't have to maintain it, at least for another 4 billion years,"
Criswell said.
Not everyone has embraced his ideas, though; he meets skeptics as he
travels to alternative energy conferences and professional meetings
with his slide presentations and published studies.
"I think they are scared of it," said Criswell, a former NASA engineer
who helped examine moon rocks brought back to Earth by Apollo
astronauts. "I think it is too far out there for some people."
But the Houston scientist is hardly out there alone.
Neville Marzwell of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory envisions the day
when motorists will have their own saucer-sized receivers on the top
of their electric-powered cars, drawing fuel directly from an orbiting
solar satellite as they drive along the freeway.
Las Vegas may have its own dedicated solar cells in outer space,
beaming down power to light up the millions of flashing bulbs outside
the casinos and wedding chapels.
Marzwell worked on one of the earliest studies in 1979 that examined
the idea and concluded that it was safe and technologically feasible.
The only thing in the way was money.
"Congress asked, 'What is the cost?' and the cost was out of this
world," said Marzwell, now manager of advanced concepts and technology
innovations at JPL. "And at that time, oil was $12 a barrel, so it was
just insane to do it."
Money is still an issue, Marzwell said. But as fuel prices rise and
political woes ripple through oil-producing nations, business
executives in countries that rely on imported oil are dusting off
these old studies and using the Internet to find Marzwell's phone
number.
"I am being flooded with phone calls from companies, begging, 'We can
make a lot of money now. Why don't we revive this project?'" he said.
"Calls are coming from China, India and Chile."
Still, big ideas come with a big price tag.
"This is something that has been studied for 40 years, and the only
reason it hasn't happened yet is money," said Gregg Maryniak, a space
scientist who has spent much of his career advising companies about
commercial applications of space.
"Do you know what it costs to put something into orbit around the
Earth? It costs $10,000 a pound," said Maryniak, now director of the
McDonnell Planetarium in St. Louis.
"If people are unwilling to pay for clean power, it won't happen for a
while because it will take awhile before this gets competitively
cheap, compared to fossil fuel," he said. "We have lots of coal, but
if we use it, we die."
Criswell estimated that it would take a $500 billion investment over a
decade or more to get a moon-based operation going. But that is a
fraction of what it will cost to build and fuel enough coal- or
gas-fired power plants to support the burgeoning world population 50
years down the road.
Marzwell's plan is to start small, with one solar satellite serving
selected targets on Earth.
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24 May 2006 05:48:49 PM |
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What about sending machines which can be remotely controlled
from earth ? We can now do telemetry operations with the surgeons
sitting thousands of miles away.
So we would send a few machines which would make reflecting
materials from the moon's crust , and they would happily work 24hrs a
day seven days a week . So only a little bit need be lifted from
earth.
Maybe the solar collectors and micorwave beaming would be more
efficient that simple reflectors , however the part of the moon would
turn black as the collectors absorb energy. Maybe half the moon would
become black to give us energy for ever and ever.
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| User: "hi@anony habshi" |
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25 May 2006 04:47:55 AM |
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But Jim , these machines DO exist . Surgeons can do complex
operations remotely . So once we can use our hands remotely on the
moon we can make all the complex materials for solar collectors or
reflectors that we need . Solar energy is abundant there and even
coating just 25% of the moon surface would give us energy for ever.
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25 May 2006 11:55:03 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
But Jim , these machines DO exist . Surgeons can do complex
operations remotely . So once we can use our hands remotely on the
moon we can make all the complex materials for solar collectors or
reflectors that we need . Solar energy is abundant there and even
coating just 25% of the moon surface would give us energy for ever.
It takes a lot more than a set of remotely operated hands to produce
anything when you are starting with dirt and sunlight.
You are a babbling idiot.
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25 May 2006 01:28:22 PM |
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habshi wrote:
But Jim , these machines DO exist .
Your moon machines don't, nor will they ever do.
Surgeons can do complex
operations remotely .
They are sentient beings for heavens sake !
So once we can use our hands remotely on the
moon
And how is that going to happen ? Do you know how long a radio signal takes to
get there and back ? Just try doing anything by remote control when what you see
is 2.5 seconds after you do it.
Or are you perhaps going to change the speed of light too ?
we can make all the complex materials for solar collectors or
reflectors that we need .
No 'we' can't. Go learn about mining minerals, refining ore and manufacturing.
Solar energy is abundant there
No more so than in orbit round the Earth.
and even
coating just 25% of the moon surface would give us energy for ever.
You're a loony !
What does one do with the terminally clueless ?
Graham
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| User: "Duane C. Johnson" |
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25 May 2006 11:38:45 AM |
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habshi wrote:
But Jim, these machines DO exist. Surgeons can do
complex operations remotely. So once we can use
our hands remotely on the moon we can make all
the complex materials for solar collectors or
reflectors that we need. Solar energy is
abundant there and even coating just 25%
of the moon surface would give us energy
for ever.
Well, forever but only "half" the time.
What good is a power source that quits
for 2 weeks every month.
Oh, and you are still an idiot.
Duane
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24 May 2006 08:15:02 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
What about sending machines which can be remotely controlled
from earth ? We can now do telemetry operations with the surgeons
sitting thousands of miles away.
And a local surgeon standing by in case something goes wrong.
So we would send a few machines which would make reflecting
materials from the moon's crust , and they would happily work 24hrs a
day seven days a week .
Such machines don't exist.
So only a little bit need be lifted from
earth.
Where do the non-existant machines get the tools to work with?
Maybe the solar collectors and micorwave beaming would be more
efficient that simple reflectors , however the part of the moon would
turn black as the collectors absorb energy. Maybe half the moon would
become black to give us energy for ever and ever.
Utter, babbling, nonsense.
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| User: "Pooh Bear" |
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25 May 2006 01:21:59 PM |
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habshi wrote:
What about sending machines which can be remotely controlled
from earth ?
What about it indeed ?
We can now do telemetry operations with the surgeons
sitting thousands of miles away.
On the same planet. That helps you know !
So we would send a few machines which would make reflecting
materials from the moon's crust
And how would they turn dust and rocks into 'reflecting material', fabricate
mirrors out of it and install them ?
and they would happily work 24hrs a
day seven days a week .
Without ever breaking down and needing servicing ? Even after > 100 yrs of
automotive engineering the car that needs no servicing and never breaks down is
as elusive as ever.
So only a little bit need be lifted from
earth.
LMAO !
Maybe the solar collectors and micorwave beaming
Mmmmm ! Just imagine that microwave beam cooking us to death ! Have you noticed
by any chance that the moon isn't geo-stationary ? Hence you can't have a fixed
collection point for all this supposed energy.
would be more
efficient that simple reflectors , however the part of the moon would
turn black as the collectors absorb energy. Maybe half the moon would
become black to give us energy for ever and ever.
Maybe you should learn something about the art of the actually do-able ? This is
even dafter than the satellite solar idea.
Graham
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24 May 2006 02:21:15 AM |
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Boy, I'm sure hungry! I think Ill go to my sisters house 2000 miles
away and get a sandwich! ~;>P
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23 May 2006 08:05:03 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
Care to show the geometry that avoids always getting shade somewhere
from a mirror between the Earth and the Sun?
I thought not.
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| User: "bill" |
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25 May 2006 07:32:49 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
Care to show the geometry that avoids always getting shade somewhere
from a mirror between the Earth and the Sun?
I thought not.
POLAR ORBIT.
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25 May 2006 08:05:03 PM |
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In sci.physics bill <ford_prefect42@hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
Care to show the geometry that avoids always getting shade somewhere
from a mirror between the Earth and the Sun?
I thought not.
POLAR ORBIT.
OK, now you always get shade somewhere minus a bit when the orbital
plane happens to be close to orthogonal to the sun, excluding of
course the times when the Earth is shading the mirror.
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28 May 2006 12:00:10 AM |
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On Thu, 25 May 2006 17:32:49 -0700, bill wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
Care to show the geometry that avoids always getting shade somewhere
from a mirror between the Earth and the Sun?
I thought not.
POLAR ORBIT.
There is a solution that might work until the mirror's propellant runs
out: a polar orbit whose center/normal points towards Sol. This orbit
would basically rotate once a year, relative to the fixed stars.
However, because Earth is also rotating, twisting space (Gravity Probe B),
the mirror will need to compensate. There are also issues such as things
tugging on the mirror such as the Moon.
And then there's the issue of where to direct the mirror's output. A
polar orbit isn't all that stationary; the mirror would have to move its
beam from one receptor to another as it moves around in its orbit. This
wastes a little power.
[followups to sci.physics]
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25 May 2006 07:27:07 AM |
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habshi wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
excerpt
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052306.1B.lunar.power.12150b33.html
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
Web Posted: 05/23/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Cindy Tumiel
San Antonio Express-News
As the price of oil hovers at $70 a barrel, a Texas scientist claims
to have a surefire way to deflate the escalating cost of energy and
ease the political vise-grip that oil-producing nations hold on the
rest of the world.
Pure bull,
a part of the non-oil-owning nations switched a part
of their economy to be dependent on oil. The sillier
them built on oil hungry technologies while others
had a side glance on efficieny. Again others maximized
the required transports, by excessive distribution
of the economy.
Rene
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23 May 2006 08:16:15 PM |
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habshi wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
excerpt
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052306.1B.lunar.power.12150b33.html
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
Web Posted: 05/23/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Cindy Tumiel
San Antonio Express-News
As the price of oil hovers at $70 a barrel, a Texas scientist claims
to have a surefire way to deflate the escalating cost of energy and
ease the political vise-grip that oil-producing nations hold on the
rest of the world.
advertisement
David Criswell, a professor at the University of Houston, says there
is a source of power out there bountiful enough to light every
household on Earth for the next 4 billion years, end worries about
greenhouse gas emissions and set OPEC on its ear.
There is a catch, though. You have to fly to the moon to get it.
Energy from the sun is 30 percent stronger on the moon because it has
no atmosphere to shield it or kick up weather events that interfere
with the solar rays hitting it with full force.
So while some earthbound thinkers are trying to turn wind, corn,
household waste and cow dung into consumable energy, a small group of
far-reaching physicists and engineers has already spent years testing
the theories and working on the practicalities of tapping into solar
power that abounds in outer space.
Some say the moon is the perfect place to set up shop, but others
think humans don't need to go nearly that far. Their idea is to float
satellites full of solar collectors in an orbit where the devices
would face the sun 24 hours a day, capture the energy and transmit it
back to Earth.
Criswell's vision calls for establishing lunar mining camps populated
with human prospectors who would work six-month shifts building and
operating the gear that harvests solar power and sends it streaming
240,000 miles back to Earth.
They would fly to the moon with the equipment they need and use raw
materials already on the moon to build thin sheets of silicon-based
solar collectors and microwave converters. Receivers on Earth would
catch the microwaves, turn them into electricity and feed the energy
into the global power grid.
Harvesting a small part of the solar energy that strikes the moon
would solve environmental problems caused by coal-burning power plants
and provide enough power to bring a reasonable level of prosperity to
10 billion people, the projected population of Earth in 2050, Criswell
said.
"You get rid of having to search for the fuel, you get rid of the ash,
you don't have to buy the land or build the power station, and you
don't have to maintain it, at least for another 4 billion years,"
Criswell said.
Not everyone has embraced his ideas, though; he meets skeptics as he
travels to alternative energy conferences and professional meetings
with his slide presentations and published studies.
"I think they are scared of it," said Criswell, a former NASA engineer
who helped examine moon rocks brought back to Earth by Apollo
astronauts. "I think it is too far out there for some people."
But the Houston scientist is hardly out there alone.
Neville Marzwell of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory envisions the day
when motorists will have their own saucer-sized receivers on the top
of their electric-powered cars, drawing fuel directly from an orbiting
solar satellite as they drive along the freeway.
Las Vegas may have its own dedicated solar cells in outer space,
beaming down power to light up the millions of flashing bulbs outside
the casinos and wedding chapels.
Marzwell worked on one of the earliest studies in 1979 that examined
the idea and concluded that it was safe and technologically feasible.
The only thing in the way was money.
"Congress asked, 'What is the cost?' and the cost was out of this
world," said Marzwell, now manager of advanced concepts and technology
innovations at JPL. "And at that time, oil was $12 a barrel, so it was
just insane to do it."
Money is still an issue, Marzwell said. But as fuel prices rise and
political woes ripple through oil-producing nations, business
executives in countries that rely on imported oil are dusting off
these old studies and using the Internet to find Marzwell's phone
number.
"I am being flooded with phone calls from companies, begging, 'We can
make a lot of money now. Why don't we revive this project?'" he said.
"Calls are coming from China, India and Chile."
Still, big ideas come with a big price tag.
"This is something that has been studied for 40 years, and the only
reason it hasn't happened yet is money," said Gregg Maryniak, a space
scientist who has spent much of his career advising companies about
commercial applications of space.
"Do you know what it costs to put something into orbit around the
Earth? It costs $10,000 a pound," said Maryniak, now director of the
McDonnell Planetarium in St. Louis.
"If people are unwilling to pay for clean power, it won't happen for a
while because it will take awhile before this gets competitively
cheap, compared to fossil fuel," he said. "We have lots of coal, but
if we use it, we die."
Criswell estimated that it would take a $500 billion investment over a
decade or more to get a moon-based operation going. But that is a
fraction of what it will cost to build and fuel enough coal- or
gas-fired power plants to support the burgeoning world population 50
years down the road.
Marzwell's plan is to start small, with one solar satellite serving
selected targets on Earth.
Of course, the big problem is launch. In order for this to be a truly
*renewable* power source, launch fuels have to be made renewably, too.
And that's a *LOT* of fuel! Rocketless propulsion, of course, is what
we
need, but nobody has a good idea yet of how to do that. If we really
want
to turn space into something REALLY useful, we have to make launch easy
(as in $10/pound instead of $10,000/pound.) Rockets are extremely
inefficient and cumbersome.
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25 May 2006 01:22:49 PM |
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mike3 wrote:
Of course, the big problem is launch.
No, the big problem is that the moon orbits the earrth.
Graham
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25 May 2006 11:57:10 AM |
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habshi wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
excerpt
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052306.1B.lunar.power.12150b33.html
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
Web Posted: 05/23/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Cindy Tumiel
San Antonio Express-News
As the price of oil hovers at $70 a barrel, a Texas scientist claims
to have a surefire way to deflate the escalating cost of energy and
ease the political vise-grip that oil-producing nations hold on the
rest of the world. <
I don't worry about the grip that the petro-states have on the world.
It is General Motor's
and Ford's and Exxon-Mobil's grip on the minds of US auto buyers,
brainwashing them into buying HUGE and HUGELY profitable SUV's and
other GAS GUZZLERS that are the problem!
Get this! Just yesterday, General Motors in the US announced a new
incentive, that
anyhone who buys a huge gas-guzzling SUV or Humvee will get $1.00 off
at the gas pump for one year! In other words, while gasoline in America
today sells for $3.00 USD per US gallon, GEneral Motors now offers to
pay 1/3rd of that for the next year If you buy one of their big
gasoline-consuming behemoths! You see, the US automobile industry can
only compete by selling oversized automobiles, and this has been the
case since the dawn of the automobile era! They know they cannot
profitably compete with Japanese, European or Korean auto manufacturers
making smaller cars! And so, like any drug pusher, they keep the US
consumer in bondage regardless of what destruction they may wreak on
the environment or through global warming! They could care less about
that crap! They care ONLY about profits for the next quarter that they
have to show to Wall Street! And since the party in power, the
Republicans (and I am a Republican, albeit not a fanatical one) gets
their election money from the oil and auto and other big fuel-related
industries, the chances of any real change, such as forcing stricter
gasoline (CAFE) mileage regulations through Congress is simply not
going to happen.. And hence, global warming and higher oil prices are
here to stay till the bloody end, I think.
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25 May 2006 01:38:25 PM |
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It is General Motor's
and Ford's and Exxon-Mobil's grip on the minds of US auto buyers,
brainwashing them into buying HUGE and HUGELY profitable SUV's and
other GAS GUZZLERS that are the problem!
Americans don't seem to need to be brainwashed into buying them. I suspect the US macho big
is better attitude is responsible for the popularty of trucks as cars. It doesn't happen
elsewhere in the world.
Graham
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25 May 2006 12:25:03 PM |
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In sci.physics wrote:
habshi wrote:
I think its better to build solar reflectors - artificial
extremely lightweight thin skinned moons in low earth orbit. When one
wants shade one can turn them to reflect light back into space .
excerpt
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052306.1B.lunar.power.12150b33.html
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
Web Posted: 05/23/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Cindy Tumiel
San Antonio Express-News
As the price of oil hovers at $70 a barrel, a Texas scientist claims
to have a surefire way to deflate the escalating cost of energy and
ease the political vise-grip that oil-producing nations hold on the
rest of the world. <
I don't worry about the grip that the petro-states have on the world.
It is General Motor's
and Ford's and Exxon-Mobil's grip on the minds of US auto buyers,
brainwashing them into buying HUGE and HUGELY profitable SUV's and
other GAS GUZZLERS that are the problem!
Get this! Just yesterday, General Motors in the US announced a new
incentive, that
anyhone who buys a huge gas-guzzling SUV or Humvee will get $1.00 off
at the gas pump for one year! In other words, while gasoline in America
today sells for $3.00 USD per US gallon, GEneral Motors now offers to
pay 1/3rd of that for the next year If you buy one of their big
gasoline-consuming behemoths! You see, the US automobile industry can
only compete by selling oversized automobiles, and this has been the
case since the dawn of the automobile era! They know they cannot
profitably compete with Japanese, European or Korean auto manufacturers
making smaller cars! And so, like any drug pusher, they keep the US
consumer in bondage regardless of what destruction they may wreak on
the environment or through global warming! They could care less about
that crap! They care ONLY about profits for the next quarter that they
have to show to Wall Street! And since the party in power, the
Republicans (and I am a Republican, albeit not a fanatical one) gets
their election money from the oil and auto and other big fuel-related
industries, the chances of any real change, such as forcing stricter
gasoline (CAFE) mileage regulations through Congress is simply not
going to happen.. And hence, global warming and higher oil prices are
here to stay till the bloody end, I think.
Ranting nonsense.
Automakers TRY to produce the vehicles people want to buy.
The sudden rise in gas prices has people wanting to buy smaller vehicles,
leaving makers like GM stuck with the big stuff they were making when
that was where the market was a short time ago, so now they have to offer
incentives to get rid of them.
The Japanese, European, and Korean makers have the same problem with
their SUVs.
Or didn't you know there are foreign SUVs?
--
Jim Pennino
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25 May 2006 01:35:58 PM |
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Ranting nonsense.
Absolutely.
Automakers TRY to produce the vehicles people want to buy.
The sudden rise in gas prices has people wanting to buy smaller vehicles,
leaving makers like GM stuck with the big stuff they were making when
that was where the market was a short time ago, so now they have to offer
incentives to get rid of them.
Standard commercial practice to shift slow moving stock. Falsely attributing underhand motives
to it simply undermines his argument.
The Japanese, European, and Korean makers have the same problem with
their SUVs.
Luckily they don't rely on them so much for sales.
Or didn't you know there are foreign SUVs?
He may indeed not !
Graham
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25 May 2006 01:10:28 PM |
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habshi wrote:
Solar energy harvested on the moon would be sent back to Earth
It'll need a heck of a long extension lead to work though !
Where *do* ppl get such loony ideas ? More puzzling, why do they get any credibility ?
Graham
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