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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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More on NASA Space-Probe Pioneer 10/11 Anomaly Data |
On Oct 16, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Tony Smith wrote:
Jack, when you say
"... the spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field
concentric with the center of mass of the Sun ... is analogous
to the dark matter halo concentric with the allegedly super
massive black hole at the center of our galaxy ..."
are you saying that
the Pioneer anomaly is due to a Dark Matter Halo around the sun
and
that the Dark Energy component of /\ is not directly involved ?
Good question: No. We have to be very careful on how we use the terms
"dark energy" and "dark matter". Both are forms of "exotic vacuum".
Whether or not the zero point pressures of the exotic vacuum are
positive or negative and whether or not they give attractive gravity or
repulsive antigravity depends on several environmental factors: the
local intensity of the Higgs Ocean and, in the static Newtonian
approximation at least, the power law spatial distribution of the /\zpf
field. It is not as simple as I first thought in 2002. It's a bit more
subtle. I did not realize that until I worked on Ken Shoulders
laboratory "cold fusion" EVOs. The key is my table:
Ordinary vacuum has /\zpf = 0 zero ZPF pressure
Dark energy exotic vacuum has /\zpf > 0 negative ZPF pressure
Dark matter exotic vacuum has /\zpf < 0 positive ZPF pressure
If /\zpf > 0 and /\zpf ~ r^-|n| we have anti-gravity repulsion.
If /\zpf > 0 and /\zpf ~ r^+|n| we have gravity attraction
If /\zpf < 0 and /\zpf ~ r^-|n| we have gravity attraction
If /\zpf < 0 and /\zpf ~ r^+|n| we have anti-gravity repulsion
/\zpf = (Mc/h)^2[(h/Mc)^3|Higgs Ocean|^2 - 1]
h/Mc = a = short-wave cutoff of the effective ODLRO macro-quantum vacuum
local field theory.
In the case of the Pioneer 10/11 anomalies we have
V(t,r) ~ [c^2/LpR(t)]r = c^2/\zpfr^2
From the spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field concentric
with the center of mass of the Sun. This is analogous to the dark matter
halo concentric with the allegedly super massive black hole at the
center of our galaxy. These are all WMAP type primordial exotic vacuum
landscape attractors from the Big Bang.
/\zpf(t,r) ~ 1/(LpR(t)r) when R(t) >> 1 and r/Lp >> 1
with /\zpf > 0, i.e. the positive zero point dark energy density with
negative pressure actually gives a constant attractive retarding
acceleration ~ c^2/LpR(t) when it is inhomogeneously distributed as 1/r
because its potential energy then increases linearly with r. Note, this
is not a harmonic oscillator potential like you get for a uniform /\zpf
field distribution. We do not have enough information yet to decide if
the Galactic Halo is dark energy with negative pressure or dark matter
with positive pressure. It could be either! We do not have enough
observations yet as we do for the Solar Exotic Vacuum Halo from Pioneer
10/11. All we can say is that ALL Halo effects on all scales from the
Galaxy to the Sun to Ken Shoulders mesoscopic "cold fusion" EVO bottles
of exotic vacua made on his lab bench with microwave klystron tubes come
from exotic vacuum regions where the total zpf stress-energy density
tensor tuv(ZPF) does not vanish.
The would your solar system picture be something like
a thin shell of Dark Matter at about 100 AU,
so that
the Pioneers would not feel them while inside the shell
but
as soon as the Pioneers passed through the shell the
Dark Matter shell mass would look as though it were
a point mass at the center of the sun ?
NO! I computed the /\zpf field distribution
/\zpf = c^2/(LpR(t)r) ~ 1/r i.e. r^-1
That gives an effective Newtonian gravity potential field per unit test
mass
V(r) ~ +c^2r/LpR(t) ~ r i.e. r^+1
Note
V(r) = c^2/\zpfr^2
But /\zpf is NOT uniform in the Solar case according to the Pioneer data!
This is simple empirical curve fitting.
If so, then what is your reasoning for the Dark Matter being
concentrated in a thin shell at 100 AU ?
It's not a thin shell. You did not look at my actual equations carefully
enough. It's a sphere of zero point energy density extending out beyond
the Sun falling off as 1/r in this static first Newtonian approximation
that is good enough for the actual data.
On Oct 16, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Oct 16, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Tony Smith wrote:
Jack, OK I will for the sake of trying to grok your big picture
ignore the 4 pi stuff, and I will try to focus on the physical
orgin of the c^2 factor. You say
"... The c^2 factor comes from replacing the on mass shell G(mass density)
source by the virtual exotic vacuum source c^2/\zpf. It's one of my [Jack's]
"Feynman rules of thumb" I [Jack] have developed since 2002. ...".
Is the physical motivation based on E = m c^2 applied
to interpretation of the Dark Energy/Matter cosmological
"constant" /\ as a mass m instead of an energy E ?
The formal basic argument is given in Chapter 1 of John Peacock's
"Cosmological Physics" p. 26.
The physical idea is very simple. The equivalence principle requires
that ALL forms of energy density and pressure, both real and virtual,
bend space-time. That is fundamentally why the c^2. It is simply another
facet of the cosmological constant paradox. You cannot simply hand wave
zero point energy away by say a normal ordering argument as one appears
to be able to do in globally flat quantum field theory.
The classical vacuum equation
Ruv = 0
must be replaced by
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
Guv = Ruv - (1/2)Rguv
The weak field SLOW SPEED static limit of
Guv + /\zpfguv = 0
is simply
Laplacian of the exotic vacuum gravity potential per unit test particle
mass ~ c^2/\zpf
Both sides of this equation have dimensions (1/time)^2.
I am not worrying about factors of pi here.
The ordinary vacuum, of course, corresponds to /\zpf = 0.
The Question is: What is /\zpf under what conditions and WHY? That's
where the Higgs Ocean comes in to save the day.
The choppy random residual total zero point stress-energy density tensor is
tuv(ZPF) ~ (c^4/G)/\zpfguv
Note that
mpc^2/Lp ~ Muc^2/LpR(t) ~ c^4/G = String Tension = Macro Quantum
Coherent Phase Rigidity of the Higgs Ocean
Where in Carlos's terms
c^2/Lp = MAX acceleration at Big Bang singularity 13.7 billion years ago
c^2/LpR(t) = current stretched out cosmologically redshifted remnant of
that same MAX acceleration at
t = t' - f(h/kBoltzmannTcbr(now)) is one convenient arbitrary measure
(choice of temporal gauge) of global cosmic time in the FRW metric. t =
0 means NOW. t' = 0 is the Big Bang when Tcbr = mpc^2/kBoltzmann.
Now it is not at all clear from Carlo's picture whether mpc^2/Lp was an
acceleration or a deceleration? It should appear as a constant in the
deceleration parameter for the FRW equations of motion for R(t).
Observation of Pioneer suggest it is a deceleration. My model, of
course, gives the same c^2/LpR(t), but using a very different physical
picture in which the Sun has a concentric dark energy halo with exotic
vacuum potential energy per unit test mass
V(t,r) ~ [c^2/LpR(t)]r = c^2/\zpfr^2
From the spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field concentric
with the center of mass of the Sun. This is analogous to the dark matter
halo concentric with the allegedly super massive black hole at the
center of our galaxy. These are all WMAP type primordial exotic vacuum
landscape attractors from the Big Bang.
/\zpf(t,r) ~ 1/(LpR(t)r) when R(t) >> 1 and r/Lp >> 1
where r is the distance from field point to center of Sun under the
static approximation of Newton's potential theory.
You also say:
"... Rest masses of particles ... require
the smooth non-random Higgs Ocean ...
which soaks up the choppy random troublesome zero point energy ...".
Does that mean that a region in which ordinary matter is dominant,
such as the sun and our solar system,
is a region in which the mass-giving action of the Higgs mechanism
"soaks up" the Dark Energy zero point degrees of freedom that
are dominant in low-ordinary mass regions of our universe (which
are roughly the intergalactic voids that occupy most of the volume
of our universe) ?
No. I do not really understand your question. Basically on mass shell
rest mass BCS energy gaps
~ |Higgs Ocean| as in standard model.
It's like the effective mass of a photon inside a superconductor giving
the Meissner effect excluding magnetic flux from the bulk except for
quantized flux stringy vortex defects in the Type II SC.
If so, then could you say that in the Dark Energy void regions
there are extra degrees of freedom that give rise to expansion
of our universe,
and
that those degrees of freedom are suppressed by the action
of the Higgs mass-giving in regions (like the sun) in which
ordinary matter is dominant ?
No, this is excess vague verbal baggage. No need to say that. Keep vague
ordinary words to a minimum. Use math notation to the max to express
ideas more precisely.
Ordinary vacuum has /\zpf = 0 zero ZPF pressure
Dark energy exotic vacuum has /\zpf > 0 negative ZPF pressure
Dark matter exotic vacuum has /\zpf < 0 positive ZPF pressure
If /\zpf > 0 and /\zpf ~ r^-|n| we have anti-gravity repulsion.
If /\zpf > 0 and /\zpf ~ r^+|n| we have gravity attraction
If /\zpf < 0 and /\zpf ~ r^-|n| we have gravity attraction
If /\zpf < 0 and /\zpf ~ r^+|n| we have anti-gravity repulsion
/\zpf = (Mc/h)^2[(h/Mc)^3|Higgs Ocean|^2 - 1]
h/Mc = a = short-wave cutoff of the effective ODLRO macro-quantum vacuum
local field theory.
M is a regulator mass.
If so, then that is somewhat similar to my model based on Segal's work,
in which those "extra degrees of freedom" are 5 of the 15 conformal
generators (4 special conformal and 1 dilation), with the
other 10 (antideSitter or Poincare, etc) being manifest in
matter-dominated regions such as where we live.
No, you are mixing apples with oranges.
So far my model to explain Pioneer anomaly only needs Einstein's
conventional 1915 theory, i.e. locally gauge only 4-parameter
translation group. These other gauge fields may be there, but not in
this phenomenon.
If you look closely at the difference between the metrics in
those two regions, you see that the full conformal Dark Energy
region gives an "extra acceleration" that acts as a
"quadratic in time term" that has been considered as an
explanation of the Pioneer effect by John D. Anderson,
Philip A. Laing, Eunice L. Lau, Anthony S. Liu, Michael Martin Nieto,
and Slava G. Turyshev in their paper at
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0104064
I will also note that Carlos says that Nottale gets similar
results by also using two metrics, one of which has a
dilation-type factor.
You know Feynman seldom read other people's papers. He preferred to
invent it for himself in real time Socratic dialogue when possible. That
is what I am doing here. However, I will look at the papers if I can
prevent myself from going to sleep. :-)
It is interesting that your model using the c^2 factor seems
to give a similar result, and it seems to me that there might
be some deep connections here among the various concepts
used to get similar results.
As I say my model is simple visualizable Metric Engineering Physics 101
- you can easily picture it with battle-tested ideas. It may be wrong,
but that is a virtue in theoretical physics.
Tony
PS - Morse and Feshbach are big, green, and expensive,
but one of my Ga Tech professors (Hal Gersch, unfortunately
now deceased) told us (mostly then impoverished students)
that even if it cost a big chunk out of a small paycheck,
it would be a good investment as it contains (and explains,
sometimes with little 3-dim stereograms) more useful hard-core
physics-type math than anything else, so some of us bought
the books and as far as I know everybody who bought the
books is happy that they did so.
That's why I bought them.
.
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| Title: Re: COSMIC DAY SIX - BEAM UP ! |
17 Oct 2004 02:22:56 AM |
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Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<Fgjcd.14606$nj.3167@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
How come you did not take the poison with The Two in Rancho Bernardo?
:-)
When Jack was a 12 year old kid, a guy named Walter Breen
(a convicted paedophile) made a series of phone calls to
his NY apartment pretending to be a conscious machine from
the future. He told the bright youngster that if he
accepted his future role as a scientist, he would meet
"the others" who would one day help Jack facilitate great
technical achievements. Young Jack "accepted", and has ever
since been seeking fruition of this pseudo, self-fulfilling
prophecy. Jack's other great joys in life are Gilbert
& Sullivan musicals which, no doubt, would have kept him
out of trouble if he had succeeded as a show tune singing
stage performer. The rest is history...
On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Winifred Barton wrote:
"The truth has to appear only once, in a single mind, for it to be
impossible for anything ever to prevent it from spreading universally
and setting everything ablaze." ~ Pierre Teilhard deChardin.
The day will come when, after harnessing space
the winds, the tides, and gravitation,
we shall harness for God the energies of love.
And on that day, for the second time in the
history of the world,
we shall have discovered fire.
~ Pierre Teilhard De Chardin ~
++++++++++++++++
Einstein's curvature of space theory provides a clue to the place
where heaven is located.
The author contends Jesus may have meant that the kingdom of
heaven quite literally rests in the midst of us, meaning that heaven
is on an entirely different plane or wave length, invisible to us,
but existing parallel to our own and connected by bends or warps in
the space-time continuum.
Einstein also spoke of intellectual efforts being shipwrecked by
the laughter of the gods -
BEAM UP TO GENESIS II_
<http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/coil11.html>)
*Genesis II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html> is not a local
phenomena. It is a UNIVERSAL EVENT and each of us is part of it.
"Insofar as my life in the lower "Theatre of Mind" is concerned, it
is finished: I am nothing: I am naked in The Light of Day and
unashamed... Now I am one with The Light, which owns nothing
yet upholds all <http://neu-ark.net/owning-the-code.html>. Which
serves all for no other reason than the JOY OF GIVING - which is
the Only Universal Joy, for the flow of giving and receiving makes
us one with the River of Life.
(11.12 <http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/1112.html>)
We find our true mission through service, as it helps to
clarify our own true will. Prior to our arrival here, we, the staff of
Genesis II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html>, had to fulfil
many earthly tasks, like renunciation of anything that might cast a
possessive shadow on our reflective psyche. From a gross mortal
perspective we were freed from lower world possessions. What joy it is
to understand "Naked came ye
<http://vitarka.org/thrutheankh/naked-in.html> into this world and
naked shall you leave it
<http://vitarka.org/thrutheankh/naked-out.html>!"
*_BEAM UP TO GENESIS II..._*
As young "star-seeds" we "take on the flesh" to operate in the density
of the lower dimension. We come to exercise our creative talents in
SERVICE to THE SUN KING of consciousness. Because $$$ and survival
considerations have the power to cast dark shadows over our reasoning
process in the Lower Kingdom, our full potential is often cramped into
the task of building the material Whole Earth Civilization. Now at
last the Great Work is complete *and there IS only LIGHT!*
This effect has taken SIX Cosmic Days. Then comes the SEVENTH Cosmic
Day <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/day7.html>, when we have the number
of a man down pat: The total black and white of it. At this Zero Point
we can pass through the 666 mirror to 999 where EVIL reads LIVE.
THE ATLANTEANS ARE BACK - SILENT NO MORE !
BEAM UP TO GENESIS II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html>
The Puzzle of 'Magnetic Stars' Solved
October 15, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1582.html
How does one explain the enormous magnetic field strengths
of the so-called 'magnetic stars'? This question concerning
magnetic fields in the cosmos, first posed half a century
ago, has now been answered by scientists of the Max Planck
Institute for Astrophysics in Garching. With 3-dimensional
numerical simulations they have found the magnetic field
configurations that underly the strong magnetic fields
observed on the surface of the so-called magnetic A-stars
and magnetic White Dwarfs, and how these fields can survive
for the life time of these stars (Nature, 14 October 2004
<http://www.physorg.com/search/Nature>). The results confirm
the 'fossil field' hypothesis, which proposes that these
magnetic fields are remnants of the magnetic field in the
gas clouds from which stars are born. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1582.html
90-Day Mars Round Trip May Soon Become Possible
October 14, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1575.html
A new means of propelling spacecraft being developed at the
University of Washington could dramatically cut the time
needed for astronauts to travel to and from Mars and could
make humans a permanent fixture in space. In fact, with
magnetized-beam plasma propulsion, or mag-beam, quick
trips to distant parts of the solar system could become
routine, said Robert Winglee, a UW Earth and space
sciences professor who is leading the project. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1575.html
Scientists prepare for space probe's plunge into Titan's atmosphere
October 14, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1565.html
On Jan. 14, 2005, the probe will plow into the orange atmosphere of
Saturn's moon, Titan, becoming the first spacecraft to attempt to
land on a moon in our solar system since the Soviet Union's Luna 24
touched down on Earth's moon in 1976.
Though scientists hope that Huygens will survive the plunge, it will
be flying blind through hydrocarbon haze and methane clouds to a
surface that could consist of seven-kilometer-high ice mountains and
liquid methane seas. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1565.html
Kristallnacht - 9 November 1938: The day when all synagogues burned in Germany.
by Gottfried Helnwein <http://www.helnwein.com/>
http://kristallnacht.helnwein.com/en_US/kristallnacht/kristallnacht/home.html
Epiphany I, Adoration of the Magi: http://www.helnwein-museum.com/article68.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Helnwein
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Let's get something straight right away, you stupid motherfuckers.
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SAY SO!!!
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Am I mad??? Yes, I'm mad as hell that the sleazy democrats have
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while George and ***** and me lecture others on morality and
religion.
How would you feel if someone went on TV told the whole world your
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***** you and the horse that fucked your mother if you don't agree.
God Bless You,
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Goon Park Inverted Monkey Love
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SOUTH PARK - THE PASSION ....
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/south_park_the_passion_of_the_jew/
G E O G R A P H Y
MAPS DON'T LIE
Israel: The Most Disputed strip of Real Estate on Planet Earth!
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Israel
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/israel.htm
Trade Fair in Tripoli, Libya
Tripoli -- October 13, 2004 -- As the historic
NEFEXPO 04 trade fair enters its final day,
New Fields Exhibitions is preparing to build
on the successful event. The exhibition, which
opened on October 10, is bustling with excitement
as top buyers, distributors and retailers from
throughout Libya meet with a wide range of
companies from the Middle East and Europe as well
as some of the first American companies to venture
to Libya since the end of U.S. sanctions this year.
This December, New Fields will organize a major
private trade delegation to Libya for American
business leaders. As a leading provider of
information on emerging markets since 1994 and with
strong connections throughout the Middle East and
North Africa, New Fields is in a unique position to
help American companies forge commercial ties with
Libya in the post-sanctions era.
http://www.new-fields.com/press/pr1013.htm
Nefexpo international trade fair
http://www.libyaninvestment.com/events/events-9-10-2004.html
IRAQ: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
The First Arab & African Aviation Conference
http://www.wahaexpo.com/
The House of Saud, or the:
Saudi Arabian Information Resource
http://www.saudinf.com/main/w.htm
H.R.5293 would require states to conduct general elections
for Federal office using an instant runoff voting system.
H.J.R. 109 would amend the Constitution to abolish the
electoral college and provide for direct election of the
president by majority vote:
"H.J.Res. 109 (ih) Proposing an amendment to the
Constitution of the United States to provide for
the direct election of the President and Vice
President by the popular vote of all citizens of
the United States regardless of place of residence."
TEXT: http://tinyurl.com/4ggug
PDF: http://tinyurl.com/5gb5d
http://www.access.gpo.gov/
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/bills/index.html
2004 Presidential Candidates
John Kerry
On the issues: http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm
George W. Bush
On the issues: http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm
"Each state should become a sovereign nation.
That would be a good start. The Soviet Union broke up,
by god it's time for the US to break up into the
Disunited States -- the Commonwealth of Independent
American States... " REVELATION X -- THE "BOB" APOCRYPHON
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/answers/revxouts2.html
Neturei Karta <info@nkusa.org> wrote:
Palestine Conference October 15-17
Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews will be participating at
the Annual Conference of the Palestine Solidarity
Movement, taking place October 15th-17th at Duke
University. As part of a multifaceted effort, the
group will be attending to show solidarity and
support for the suffering Palestinian people and to
clearly state the Torah's opposition to Zionism.
Concurrently, on Sunday, a delegation of Orthodox
Rabbis will be counter protesting a planned
demonstration by Pro-Zionists. These Rabbis will
be working on setting the record straight - opposition
to Zionism does not make one Anti-Semitic, a commonly
publicized claim by Pro-Zionists.
Their intention is to educate the public about a well
known fact within traditional Jewish circles, that
Judaism and Zionism are actually completely
contradictory concepts. Additionally, they will be
rebuffing the ongoing attempts by the Pro-Zionist
movement to stifle the voice of the Palestinian
Conference and dispel the misnomer that Jews and
Arabs cannot coexist.
For more information please call 914-262-8342
For information on recent activities, please visit:
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"There you go, man
Keep as cool as you can
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave...
And keep on thinking free" --Moody Blues
"Reality is that which,
when you stop believing in it,
doesn't go away."
--Philip K. *****
http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm
"For a thousand years in Western culture, the advancement
of the mechanical arts - technology - has been inspired
by deep religious desires of transcendence and redemption.
Although currently obscured by secular language and
ideology, the contemporary resurgence of religion, even
fundamentalism, alongside and hand-in-hand with technology
is thus not an aberration but simply the reassertion of a
forgotten tradition."
Technology and Religion, Technology as Religion:
http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa020200a.htm
William James defined prayer in 'The Varieties of Religious
Experience' (1902) as: "...the very movement itself of the
soul putting itself in a personal relation of contact with
that mysterious power of which it feels the presence."
He further specified: 'Wherever this prayer rises and stirs
the soul, even in the absence of forms or doctrines we have
a living religion.'
Paul Perry's GOOD AND EVIL ON THE LONG VOYAGE
A Techno-Religious Work of Art
http://www.alamut.com/proj/97/longVoyage/technoReligion.html
"Walking the spiritual path properly is a very subtle process;
it is not something to jump into naively. There are numerous
sidetracks which lead to a distorted, ego-centered version of
spirituality; we can deceive ourselves into thinking we are
developing spiritually when instead we are strengthing our
egocentricity through spiritual techniques. This fundamental
distortion may be referred to as spiritual materialism."
--Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche (1939-1987)
Author of: "Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism"
The Origins of Christianity and
the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
by Acharya S [aka D. Murdock]
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
[...]
Basically, there are no non-biblical references to a
historical Jesus by any known historian of the time
during and after Jesus's purported advent. Walker says,
"No literate person of his own time mentioned him in
any known writing." Eminent Hellenistic Jewish
historian and philosopher Philo (20 B.C.E.-50 C.E.),
alive at the purported time of Jesus, makes no mention
of him. Nor do any of the some 40 other historians who
wrote during the first one to two centuries of the
Common Era. "Enough of the writings of [these] authors...
remain to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and
Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the
works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in
the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no
mention of Jesus Christ." Their silence is deafening
testimony against the historicizers.
In the entire works of the Jewish historian Josephus,
which constitute many volumes, there are only two
paragraphs that purport to refer to Jesus. Although
much has been made of these "references," they have
been dismissed by all scholars and even by Christian
apologists as forgeries, as have been those referring
to John the Baptist and James, "brother" of Jesus.
Bishop Warburton labeled the Josephus interpolation
regarding Jesus as "a rank forgery, and a very stupid
one, too."
[...]
The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales
of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such
as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God,"
most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a
number of whom were crucified or executed.
Adad of Assyria
Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece
Alcides of Thebes
Attis of Phrygia
Baal of Phoenicia
Bali of Afghanistan
Beddru of Japan
Buddha of India
Crite of Chaldea
Deva Tat of Siam
Hesus of the Druids
Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired,
bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
Indra of Tibet/India
Jao of Nepal
Krishna of India
Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Odin of the Scandinavians
Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
Salivahana of Bermuda
Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move,
later turned into the disciple Thomas)
Thor of the Gauls
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Wittoba of the Bilingonese
Xamolxis of Thrace
Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia
Zoar of the Bonzes
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
Of Myth & Men: http://www.truthbeknown.com/price.htm
[...]
Robert Price, [Deconstructing Jesus <http://tinyurl.com/3hylt>]
goes on to make interesting parallels between the various
fictional events of the gospel tale and those found within
histories such as Josephus. The triumphal entrance into the City
of Peace is also found in Egyptian mythology concerning the sun
god Horus's twin-*****-adversary, Set, the night sky, whence comes
"Satan." Set's totem animal was the *****, which he rides into the
City. As Massey says, " . . . the *****-headed god is portrayed as
the bearer of the sun.... In the Greek shape of the mythos,
Hephaistos ascends to the heavens, or to heaven, at the instigation
of Dionysus, and is depicted as returning thither riding on an *****."
Set was also the biblical Seth, son of Adam or Atum, and progenitor
of the Hebrew people.
Price further delineates some of the mythical motifs found
in the gospels:
As the Gospels have Mary Magdalene and her companions seek the body
of Jesus only to find it gone, so do Isis, her sister Nephthys, and
their maidens seek the slain Osiris, hoping to anoint him.
[...]
http://www.truthbeknown.com/price.htm
A Refutation of Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy:
http://www.risenjesus.com/articles/acharya-s.asp
Christus Victor Ministries Discussion - Challenge from a non-believer
http://www.christusvictorministries.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2710
CURSOR
http://www.cursor.org/
Iraq Body Count
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Godless Americans Political Action Committee [GAMPAC.ORG]
"Mobilizing America's Nonbelievers for Political Activism"
http://www.godlessamericans.org/
+++
"I believe that God wants me to be president."
-George W. Bush
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc/synopsis.html
"There have been 1,228 coalition deaths, 1,089 Americans,
68 Britons, six Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian,
one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian, 13 Poles, one Salvadoran,
three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai, nine Ukrainians and one
soldier whose nationality has not been identified, in the war in Iraq
as of October 15, 2004. At least 7,730 U.S. troops have been
wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. The Pentagon does
not report the number of non-hostile wounded. "
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
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Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:
On Oct 17, 2004, at 12:14 AM, A Monkey wrote:
Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:
How come you did not take the poison with The Two
in Rancho Bernardo?
:-)
When Jack was a 12 year old kid, a guy named
Walter Breen (a convicted paedophile) made a
series of phone calls to his NY apartment pretending
to be a conscious machine from
the future.
Look you twisted cowardly pervert that is not what
happened. How dare you?
You are an insult to primates. You hide behind a
false ID. For the record. In all the years I knew
Walter Breen he never not once acted out of line with
me or anyone I knew. Second, you moron, the phone
calls came MONTHS before I was introduced to Breen
by Robert Bashlow. It was NOT Breen who made the call(s).
This was 1953.
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.htmlYou are scum
attempting to sabotage important national security
work. Hope I never find your true ID. If I do you will
be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I guarantee
it. I am not alone in my work that is on my blog
Destiny Matrix, also on Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars at
Yahoo Groups and in my 3 books - two now on Amazon,
third to be there by end of the year.
The mystery of the saucer technology has now been
essentially solved by me as I was asked to do directly
by people connected with the real MJ 12 Group that
included people around Charles Lindbergh especially
Eugene McDermott a co-founder of Texas Instruments.
The Project I was part of that Breen ran under Professor
William Sheldon's direction at Columbia University was
paid for by McDermott and Breen NEVER molested
any of the kids in that project from 1954 - 1956.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sarfatti
Walter Breen (September 5, 1930 (or possibly 1928?) - April 28, 1993)
was a numismatist best known in coin collecting circles for writing
Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins and
U. S. Half Cents Encyclopedia. Walter Breen was a coin genius, able
to keep thousands of facts about coins in his head. He also
co-authored "California Fractional Gold".
The Breen numbers from his Encyclopedia are widely used to attribute
varieties of coins.
A troubled individual in his personal life, he died in prison in Chino,
California after pleading guilty to child molestation. The numismatic
community was greatly shocked by this turn of events.
He reportedly wrote or co-wrote Greek Love under the pseudonym
J.Z. Eglinton. This book attempts to justify sexual relationships
between adult men and young boys.
Walter was married to science fiction writer Marion Zimmer Bradley
in 1964. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley>
They separated in 1979. She apparently had some knowledge of
his personal inclinations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Breen
He told the bright youngster that if he
accepted his future role as a scientist, he would meet
"the others" who would one day help Jack facilitate great
technical achievements. Young Jack "accepted", and has ever
since been seeking fruition of this pseudo, self-fulfilling
prophecy. Jack's other great joys in life are Gilbert
& Sullivan musicals which, no doubt, would have kept him
out of trouble if he had succeeded as a show tune singing
stage performer. The rest is history...
"Naturally, the common people don't want war,
but after all, it is the leaders of a country
who determine the policy, and it is always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it
is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is
easy. All you have to do is to tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in
every country."
-- Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich Marshall
at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%F6ring
The Nuremberg principles - adopted by a U.N. commission
after World War II in response to the Nazis' crimes, hold
that military personnel have a responsibility to resist
unlawful orders. They also declare wars of aggression a
violation of international law.
"Jeffry House is reliving his past. An American draft
dodger who fled to Canada in 1970 (he was number 16 in
that year's draft lottery), he is now fighting to
persuade the Canadian government to grant refugee
status to American deserters.
"In some ways, this is coming full circle for me," says
the slightly disheveled, 57-year-old lawyer. "The themes
that I thought about when I was 21 years old now are
reborn, particularly your obligation to the state when
the state has participated in a fraud, when they've
deceived you."
A dormant network has been revived, with Vietnam-era
draft dodgers and deserters quietly contributing money
to support the legal defense of the newest American
fugitives. House's strategy is bold: He is challenging
the very legality of the Iraq war, based on the Nuremberg
principles. Those principles, adopted by a U.N.
commission after World War II in response to the Nazis'
crimes, hold that military personnel have a responsibility
to resist unlawful orders. They also declare wars of
aggression a violation of international law.
"The truth has to appear only once, in a single mind, for it to be
impossible for anything ever to prevent it from spreading universally
and setting everything ablaze." ~ Pierre Teilhard deChardin.
The day will come when, after harnessing space
the winds, the tides, and gravitation,
we shall harness for God the energies of love.
And on that day, for the second time in the
history of the world,
we shall have discovered fire.
~ Pierre Teilhard De Chardin ~
++++++++++++++++
Einstein's curvature of space theory provides a clue to the place
where heaven is located.
The author contends Jesus may have meant that the kingdom of
heaven quite literally rests in the midst of us, meaning that heaven
is on an entirely different plane or wave length, invisible to us,
but existing parallel to our own and connected by bends or warps in
the space-time continuum.
Einstein also spoke of intellectual efforts being shipwrecked by
the laughter of the gods -
BEAM UP TO GENESIS II_
<http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/coil11.html>)
*Genesis II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html> is not a local
phenomena. It is a UNIVERSAL EVENT and each of us is part of it.
"Insofar as my life in the lower "Theatre of Mind" is concerned, it
is finished: I am nothing: I am naked in The Light of Day and
unashamed... Now I am one with The Light, which owns nothing
yet upholds all <http://neu-ark.net/owning-the-code.html>. Which
serves all for no other reason than the JOY OF GIVING - which is
the Only Universal Joy, for the flow of giving and receiving makes
us one with the River of Life.
(11.12 <http://usnisa.org/cosmic_cube/1112.html>)
We find our true mission through service, as it helps to
clarify our own true will. Prior to our arrival here, we, the staff of
Genesis II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html>, had to fulfil
many earthly tasks, like renunciation of anything that might cast a
possessive shadow on our reflective psyche. From a gross mortal
perspective we were freed from lower world possessions. What joy it is
to understand "Naked came ye
<http://vitarka.org/thrutheankh/naked-in.html> into this world and
naked shall you leave it
<http://vitarka.org/thrutheankh/naked-out.html>!"
*_BEAM UP TO GENESIS II..._*
As young "star-seeds" we "take on the flesh" to operate in the density
of the lower dimension. We come to exercise our creative talents in
SERVICE to THE SUN KING of consciousness. Because $$$ and survival
considerations have the power to cast dark shadows over our reasoning
process in the Lower Kingdom, our full potential is often cramped into
the task of building the material Whole Earth Civilization. Now at
last the Great Work is complete *and there IS only LIGHT!*
This effect has taken SIX Cosmic Days. Then comes the SEVENTH Cosmic
Day <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/day7.html>, when we have the number
of a man down pat: The total black and white of it. At this Zero Point
we can pass through the 666 mirror to 999 where EVIL reads LIVE.
THE ATLANTEANS ARE BACK - SILENT NO MORE !
BEAM UP TO GENESIS II <http://neu-ark.net/genesis2/index.html>
The Puzzle of 'Magnetic Stars' Solved
October 15, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1582.html
How does one explain the enormous magnetic field strengths
of the so-called 'magnetic stars'? This question concerning
magnetic fields in the cosmos, first posed half a century
ago, has now been answered by scientists of the Max Planck
Institute for Astrophysics in Garching. With 3-dimensional
numerical simulations they have found the magnetic field
configurations that underly the strong magnetic fields
observed on the surface of the so-called magnetic A-stars
and magnetic White Dwarfs, and how these fields can survive
for the life time of these stars (Nature, 14 October 2004
<http://www.physorg.com/search/Nature>). The results confirm
the 'fossil field' hypothesis, which proposes that these
magnetic fields are remnants of the magnetic field in the
gas clouds from which stars are born. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1582.html
90-Day Mars Round Trip May Soon Become Possible
October 14, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1575.html
A new means of propelling spacecraft being developed at the
University of Washington could dramatically cut the time
needed for astronauts to travel to and from Mars and could
make humans a permanent fixture in space. In fact, with
magnetized-beam plasma propulsion, or mag-beam, quick
trips to distant parts of the solar system could become
routine, said Robert Winglee, a UW Earth and space
sciences professor who is leading the project. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1575.html
Scientists prepare for space probe's plunge into Titan's atmosphere
October 14, 2004 - http://www.physorg.com/news1565.html
On Jan. 14, 2005, the probe will plow into the orange atmosphere of
Saturn's moon, Titan, becoming the first spacecraft to attempt to
land on a moon in our solar system since the Soviet Union's Luna 24
touched down on Earth's moon in 1976.
Though scientists hope that Huygens will survive the plunge, it will
be flying blind through hydrocarbon haze and methane clouds to a
surface that could consist of seven-kilometer-high ice mountains and
liquid methane seas. [...]
http://www.physorg.com/news1565.html
Kristallnacht - 9 November 1938: The day when all synagogues burned in Germany.
by Gottfried Helnwein <http://www.helnwein.com/>
http://kristallnacht.helnwein.com/en_US/kristallnacht/kristallnacht/home.html
Epiphany I, Adoration of the Magi: http://www.helnwein-museum.com/article68.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Helnwein
"Lynne Cheney" <email@address.deleted> wrote:
Let's get something straight right away, you stupid motherfuckers.
My lezbo daughter is not to be used for political purposes UNLESS I
SAY SO!!!
She may be a *****, but she's my fucking daughter and I get to
decide who can use her to get votes and who can't!!!
Do you fucking understand me?
Am I mad??? Yes, I'm mad as hell that the sleazy democrats have
dragged the fact that my daughter is a muff diver all over the
place in the debates. It's bad enough I have to carry this shame
while George and ***** and me lecture others on morality and
religion.
How would you feel if someone went on TV told the whole world your
daughter is a rug muncher???
So from now on - ONLY REPUBLICANS CAN MENTION MY LEZBO DAUGHTER.
IS THAT UNDERSTOOD???????
Because we are the party of Family Values.
***** you and the horse that fucked your mother if you don't agree.
God Bless You,
Lynne Cheney
Goon Park Inverted Monkey Love
http://scibooks.org/goonpark.html
SOUTH PARK - THE PASSION ....
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/south_park_the_passion_of_the_jew/
G E O G R A P H Y
MAPS DON'T LIE
Israel: The Most Disputed strip of Real Estate on Planet Earth!
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
Israel
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/israel.htm
Trade Fair in Tripoli, Libya
Tripoli -- October 13, 2004 -- As the historic
NEFEXPO 04 trade fair enters its final day,
New Fields Exhibitions is preparing to build
on the successful event. The exhibition, which
opened on October 10, is bustling with excitement
as top buyers, distributors and retailers from
throughout Libya meet with a wide range of
companies from the Middle East and Europe as well
as some of the first American companies to venture
to Libya since the end of U.S. sanctions this year.
This December, New Fields will organize a major
private trade delegation to Libya for American
business leaders. As a leading provider of
information on emerging markets since 1994 and with
strong connections throughout the Middle East and
North Africa, New Fields is in a unique position to
help American companies forge commercial ties with
Libya in the post-sanctions era.
http://www.new-fields.com/press/pr1013.htm
Nefexpo international trade fair
http://www.libyaninvestment.com/events/events-9-10-2004.html
IRAQ: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
The First Arab & African Aviation Conference
http://www.wahaexpo.com/
The House of Saud, or the:
Saudi Arabian Information Resource
http://www.saudinf.com/main/w.htm
H.R.5293 would require states to conduct general elections
for Federal office using an instant runoff voting system.
H.J.R. 109 would amend the Constitution to abolish the
electoral college and provide for direct election of the
president by majority vote:
"H.J.Res. 109 (ih) Proposing an amendment to the
Constitution of the United States to provide for
the direct election of the President and Vice
President by the popular vote of all citizens of
the United States regardless of place of residence."
TEXT: http://tinyurl.com/4ggug
PDF: http://tinyurl.com/5gb5d
http://www.access.gpo.gov/
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/bills/index.html
2004 Presidential Candidates
John Kerry
On the issues: http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm
George W. Bush
On the issues: http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm
"Each state should become a sovereign nation.
That would be a good start. The Soviet Union broke up,
by god it's time for the US to break up into the
Disunited States -- the Commonwealth of Independent
American States... " REVELATION X -- THE "BOB" APOCRYPHON
http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/answers/revxouts2.html
Neturei Karta <info@nkusa.org> wrote:
Palestine Conference October 15-17
Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews will be participating at
the Annual Conference of the Palestine Solidarity
Movement, taking place October 15th-17th at Duke
University. As part of a multifaceted effort, the
group will be attending to show solidarity and
support for the suffering Palestinian people and to
clearly state the Torah's opposition to Zionism.
Concurrently, on Sunday, a delegation of Orthodox
Rabbis will be counter protesting a planned
demonstration by Pro-Zionists. These Rabbis will
be working on setting the record straight - opposition
to Zionism does not make one Anti-Semitic, a commonly
publicized claim by Pro-Zionists.
Their intention is to educate the public about a well
known fact within traditional Jewish circles, that
Judaism and Zionism are actually completely
contradictory concepts. Additionally, they will be
rebuffing the ongoing attempts by the Pro-Zionist
movement to stifle the voice of the Palestinian
Conference and dispel the misnomer that Jews and
Arabs cannot coexist.
For more information please call 914-262-8342
For information on recent activities, please visit:
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/recent/index.cfm
Neturei Karta International
www.nkusa.org
"There you go, man
Keep as cool as you can
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave...
And keep on thinking free" --Moody Blues
"Reality is that which,
when you stop believing in it,
doesn't go away."
--Philip K. *****
http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm
"For a thousand years in Western culture, the advancement
of the mechanical arts - technology - has been inspired
by deep religious desires of transcendence and redemption.
Although currently obscured by secular language and
ideology, the contemporary resurgence of religion, even
fundamentalism, alongside and hand-in-hand with technology
is thus not an aberration but simply the reassertion of a
forgotten tradition."
Technology and Religion, Technology as Religion:
http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa020200a.htm
William James defined prayer in 'The Varieties of Religious
Experience' (1902) as: "...the very movement itself of the
soul putting itself in a personal relation of contact with
that mysterious power of which it feels the presence."
He further specified: 'Wherever this prayer rises and stirs
the soul, even in the absence of forms or doctrines we have
a living religion.'
Paul Perry's GOOD AND EVIL ON THE LONG VOYAGE
A Techno-Religious Work of Art
http://www.alamut.com/proj/97/longVoyage/technoReligion.html
"Walking the spiritual path properly is a very subtle process;
it is not something to jump into naively. There are numerous
sidetracks which lead to a distorted, ego-centered version of
spirituality; we can deceive ourselves into thinking we are
developing spiritually when instead we are strengthing our
egocentricity through spiritual techniques. This fundamental
distortion may be referred to as spiritual materialism."
--Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche (1939-1987)
Author of: "Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism"
The Origins of Christianity and
the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
by Acharya S [aka D. Murdock]
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
[...]
Basically, there are no non-biblical references to a
historical Jesus by any known historian of the time
during and after Jesus's purported advent. Walker says,
"No literate person of his own time mentioned him in
any known writing." Eminent Hellenistic Jewish
historian and philosopher Philo (20 B.C.E.-50 C.E.),
alive at the purported time of Jesus, makes no mention
of him. Nor do any of the some 40 other historians who
wrote during the first one to two centuries of the
Common Era. "Enough of the writings of [these] authors...
remain to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and
Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the
works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in
the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no
mention of Jesus Christ." Their silence is deafening
testimony against the historicizers.
In the entire works of the Jewish historian Josephus,
which constitute many volumes, there are only two
paragraphs that purport to refer to Jesus. Although
much has been made of these "references," they have
been dismissed by all scholars and even by Christian
apologists as forgeries, as have been those referring
to John the Baptist and James, "brother" of Jesus.
Bishop Warburton labeled the Josephus interpolation
regarding Jesus as "a rank forgery, and a very stupid
one, too."
[...]
The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales
of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such
as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God,"
most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a
number of whom were crucified or executed.
Adad of Assyria
Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece
Alcides of Thebes
Attis of Phrygia
Baal of Phoenicia
Bali of Afghanistan
Beddru of Japan
Buddha of India
Crite of Chaldea
Deva Tat of Siam
Hesus of the Druids
Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired,
bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
Indra of Tibet/India
Jao of Nepal
Krishna of India
Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Odin of the Scandinavians
Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
Salivahana of Bermuda
Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move,
later turned into the disciple Thomas)
Thor of the Gauls
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
Wittoba of the Bilingonese
Xamolxis of Thrace
Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia
Zoar of the Bonzes
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
Of Myth & Men: http://www.truthbeknown.com/price.htm
[...]
Robert Price, [Deconstructing Jesus <http://tinyurl.com/3hylt>]
goes on to make interesting parallels between the various
fictional events of the gospel tale and those found within
histories such as Josephus. The triumphal entrance into the City
of Peace is also found in Egyptian mythology concerning the sun
god Horus's twin-*****-adversary, Set, the night sky, whence comes
"Satan." Set's totem animal was the *****, which he rides into the
City. As Massey says, " . . . the *****-headed god is portrayed as
the bearer of the sun.... In the Greek shape of the mythos,
Hephaistos ascends to the heavens, or to heaven, at the instigation
of Dionysus, and is depicted as returning thither riding on an *****."
Set was also the biblical Seth, son of Adam or Atum, and progenitor
of the Hebrew people.
Price further delineates some of the mythical motifs found
in the gospels:
As the Gospels have Mary Magdalene and her companions seek the body
of Jesus only to find it gone, so do Isis, her sister Nephthys, and
their maidens seek the slain Osiris, hoping to anoint him.
[...]
http://www.truthbeknown.com/price.htm
A Refutation of Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy:
http://www.risenjesus.com/articles/acharya-s.asp
Christus Victor Ministries Discussion - Challenge from a non-believer
http://www.christusvictorministries.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2710
CURSOR
http://www.cursor.org/
Iraq Body Count
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Godless Americans Political Action Committee [GAMPAC.ORG]
"Mobilizing America's Nonbelievers for Political Activism"
http://www.godlessamericans.org/
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"I believe that God wants me to be president."
-George W. Bush
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc/synopsis.html
"There have been 1,228 coalition deaths, 1,089 Americans,
68 Britons, six Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian,
one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian, 13 Poles, one Salvadoran,
three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai, nine Ukrainians and one
soldier whose nationality has not been identified, in the war in Iraq
as of October 15, 2004. At least 7,730 U.S. troops have been
wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. The Pentagon does
not report the number of non-hostile wounded. "
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
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Jack Sarfatti wrote:
On Oct 16, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Tony Smith wrote:
Jack, when you say
"... the spherically symmetric exotic vacuum halo ZPF field
concentric with the center of mass of the Sun ...
SNIP
which has no basis in anything except imagination
when there is a perfectly good field around
the Sun called the Interplanetary Magnetic Field,
many of whose measurements were made by Pioneer
herself, see:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/magfield.gif
which is concentric with the mass of the Sun...
but maybe you already have the math and you are
trying to fit reality to it
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