On Jun 6, 4:22?pm, "Daryl Hunt" <d...@celticommnospam.com> wrote:

"Derek Lyons" <fairwa...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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"Daryl Hunt" <d...@celticommnospam.com> wrote:

"Derek Lyons" <fairwa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daryl Hunt" <d...@celticommnospam.com> wrote:

Can you imagine if the US had gone with the AF designs instead of

Mercury design? I believe we would have been much further ahead

considering the AF is capable of building a recoverable vehicle

launches from the top of a 747. It's been flown and the program

scrapped

(at least we think it's been scrapped).

Cite?

No cite needed unless on just came out from under a rock.

I've been following aerospace issue for twenty years.

So yes, I need a cite - because there is no evidence the USAF has or
had such a capability. (Note: Links to theoretical craft do not
constitutes cites that prove the existence of the capability you claim
the USAF has.)

The below links are all you are going to get. Remember, the F-117 was

operation in 1983 and wasn't heard of until 1989. It didn't exist

there were no confirmations made by the "Experts", only by the "Others".
But, as you can see, this is more than just theoretical birds. It

the lines of may other projects out of Groom Lake.

More wrong chronologies Daryl. The F-117 became operational in 1981
and was disclosed in 1988. Prior to this, the first US pure stealth a/
c experiment was a 1970s Windecker Eagle fitted with RAM which might
have slowly progressed towards a combat a/c had it not been for the
USAF aquisition of Russian Professor's Ufimtsev's book on radar
diffraction through use of geometric shapes in 1972. That is the
entire origin of the F-117 and the US concept of stealth seperate from
the German WW2 stealth technology of wooden flying wings and radar-
absorbing paints (later developed as US Ironball for the U-2).
However, the West Germans and MBB had their own faceted MBB Lampyridae
project in 1981 seperate from the US as a stealth interceptor which
proves the Germans were still connected to their WW2 efforts.It is
little-known that Messerschmitt (part of MBB) worked on a secret
stealth craft in 1945 seperate from the Ho-IX/Go-229 in co-operation
with GEMA and DFS. The Kristallflugzeug (sp?) was in its infancy when
the program was cancelled in 1945, but the knowledge retained (or so
it has been claimed). It would have been a diamond shaped craft and
that is what MBB came up with independent of the F-117 and Ufimtsev's
book. Look up Dr.Zippermayr's work too in Lofer during 1945. That
strange declassified craft that is believed to be a wooden mock-up for
the Sanger Silbervogel that is on the net from 1945 US Army intel may
NOT be that at all. Although Sanger & Bredt were in Lofer, Austria at
the time, that does not mean that is their spacecraft mock-up. Dr.
Zippermayr had a design for an arrow-wing supersonic aircraft called
the Pfeil (no connection to the Do-335) that was supposed to be tested
as a wooden glider first. That Sanger photo does NOT claim to be a
mock-up found... but an a/c that "never flew". Mock-ups don't fly, so
now we may be looking at the Pfeil under construction w/o the wings.
Everyone just "assumes" it is the Sanger mock-up due to appearance,
but I think the dimensions are off and we cannot see the entire craft
anyway. But the US had the photo classified from 1945-1954 and the
photo emerged on the net back around 2003 IIRC.

I have heard scuttlebutt about these types of programs during a couple

decades of AF. Not a single one can be proven until the bird is sitting

some Civilian Airport with all the cameras rolling.

Or the USAF declassifies its files... with all photos, construction
and flight footage, and whatever remains of those craft made public.

Now, here is one you can sink your teeth into or just sink. I await

responses on this one. I will cite AFTER you people go into your

These programs have been going on for the last 40 years. The AF will

that they have already given out the requirements and have built

simulations that are workable. Do they admit to anything else? Not

But, then again, it took a bombing war to get them to admit that there

Stealth AC flying around as well. Sightings of the F-117 were

But it's better to have them discounted as the tin foil kind of

Historically, since WW2 ended, more disc a/c have been sighted than
black triangles Daryl. The F-117 falls into a minority category and
for only one decade. BTW, it took until 1995 to get the USAF just to
admit that Germany had disc a/c experiments in WW2. How long do you
think it will take them to admit that they used that German technology
for US disc a/c and that the only reverse-engineering going on at Area
51 was on German EMG drives? Another decade or two?

Now, try connecting the Dots.- Hide quoted text -

Daryl, no revelations to me pal. The entire military aviation history
of the US post-WW2 to present is falsified and ever since the NRO,
NSA, and other agencies became involved it means that all ATS
classified info is even more compartmentalized than before. I don't
think we will ever get the truth out of them.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11691989/

I have heard scuttlebutt about these types of programs during a couple of
decades of AF. Not a single one can be proven until the bird is sitting at
some Civilian Airport with all the cameras rolling.

Or the USAF declassifies its files... with all photos, construction
and flight footage, and whatever remains of those craft made public.