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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/08/nasa-s-james-hansen-finally-releases-climate-data-computer-codes
NASA's James Hansen Finally Releases Climate Data Computer Codes
By Noel Sheppard | September 8, 2007 - 16:00 ET
Much as when the organization he leads quietly made changes to the
United States historical climate record at the prodding of Climate
Audit's Stephen McIntyre, James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for
Space Studies finally released critical computer codes scientists have
wanted for years, but did so with absolutely no official press
release.
As a result, not one media outlet covered this occurrence that years
from now could be seen as a huge turning point in the climate change
debate.
Despite the secrecy, there was great celebration amongst anthropogenic
global warming skeptics that have wanted these closely held codes to
be able to identify how NASA and the National Oceanic & Atmospheric
Administration make adjustments to raw climate data collected by
weather stations.
One such skeptic is Anthony Watts, who happily reported Saturday
(emphasis added):
Apparently us "court jesters" (as as Dr. James Hansen calls us) carry
some weight after all.
I'm happy to report that NASA GISS has in fact released the computer
code used to arrive at temperature adjustments for the USA and the
world. The first task is to make sure it matches what has been seen,
and to verify that we have all of it. This is hugely important in
doing independent verification of the surface temperature record.
Following that, an analysis of the methodology and replication of the
computer program output to see if it matches the current data sets.
Then perhaps we can fully understand why some stations that are in
"pristine" condition, such as Walhalla, SC, with no obvious microsite
biases, get "adjusted" by Hansen's techniques. Shouldn't good data
stand on it's [sic] own?
Yes, that sounds reasonable, Anthony, unless your goal is to
manipulate the data to support your agenda.
Of course, another happy skeptic was Stephen McIntyre who reported the
news at Climate Audit (h/t Anthony Watts, emphasis added):
Hansen has just released what is said to be the source code for their
temperature analysis. The release was announced in a shall-we-say
ungracious email to his email distribution list and a link is now
present at the NASA webpage.
Hansen says resentfully that they would have liked a "week or two" to
make a "simplified version" of the program and that it is this version
that "people interested in science" will want, as opposed to the
version that actually generated their results.
People interested in science? Heck, I thought we were all deniers and
court jesters.
Regardless, it seems a metaphysical certitude that the same media
which ignored the changes to the climate record a month ago will be
equally disinterested in reporting this information.
And, if it turns out that Watts, McIntyre, and skeptical scientists
around the world identify errors in these codes requiring additional
changes be made by Hansen to the climate record, I doubt we'll hear
about that either.
Or am I just being too darned cynical for my own good?
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
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10 Sep 2007 12:28:17 PM |
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
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http://newsbusters.org/
lol
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10 Sep 2007 12:48:18 PM |
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
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10 Sep 2007 02:48:15 PM |
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"Bill Habr" <billhabr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the hoaxsters he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
And that doesn't take into acount the fact that he's a pretty well-known
liar and the site is a republican MRC lie site - which is the part I was
referring to.
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10 Sep 2007 03:27:03 PM |
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the hoaxsters he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
And that doesn't take into acount the fact that he's a pretty well-known
liar and the site is a republican MRC lie site - which is the part I was
referring to.
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10 Sep 2007 03:45:15 PM |
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"Bill Habr" <billhabr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science.
Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the hoaxsters
he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
Both are identified by name in the article.
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
It doesn't have to. Adjustments and corrections based on quantified
systems inadequacies are applied to data throughout science worldwide. In
the absence of verified problems with the adjustment or correction, it's a
straw man argument.
For one example, one I deal with every day, see 'beam hardening, X-ray'.
Or, you can just read about how to set a pitot tube altimeter.
And that doesn't take into acount the fact that he's a pretty
well-known
liar and the site is a republican MRC lie site - which is the part I was
referring to.
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10 Sep 2007 03:58:49 PM |
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science.
Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the hoaxsters
he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
Both are identified by name in the article.
Hansen? and ??
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
It doesn't have to. Adjustments and corrections based on quantified
systems inadequacies are applied to data throughout science worldwide. In
the absence of verified problems with the adjustment or correction, it's a
straw man argument.
But what if the system inadequacies are assumed and not quantified?
And how can one verify problems with an adjustment or correction without documentation?
Reverse engineer what was done?
For one example, one I deal with every day, see 'beam hardening, X-ray'.
Or, you can just read about how to set a pitot tube altimeter.
And that doesn't take into acount the fact that he's a pretty
well-known
liar and the site is a republican MRC lie site - which is the part I was
referring to.
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10 Sep 2007 04:22:48 PM |
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"Bill Habr" <billhabr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American
science.
Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error
one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the
hoaxsters
he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
Both are identified by name in the article.
Hansen? and ??
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
It doesn't have to. Adjustments and corrections based on quantified
systems inadequacies are applied to data throughout science worldwide.
In
the absence of verified problems with the adjustment or correction, it's
a
straw man argument.
But what if the system inadequacies are assumed and not quantified?
I see a lot of that here, but only from the peanut gallery.
And how can one verify problems with an adjustment or correction without
documentation?
I would assume the researchers have documentation, or test their systems
under known conditions. See 'calibration'.
Reverse engineer what was done?
Never seen that done successfully.
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10 Sep 2007 05:17:09 PM |
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American
science.
Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error
one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the
hoaxsters
he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
Both are identified by name in the article.
Hansen? and ??
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
It doesn't have to. Adjustments and corrections based on quantified
systems inadequacies are applied to data throughout science worldwide.
In
the absence of verified problems with the adjustment or correction, it's
a
straw man argument.
But what if the system inadequacies are assumed and not quantified?
I see a lot of that here, but only from the peanut gallery.
It has been done (and will probably done again).
And how can one verify problems with an adjustment or correction without
documentation?
I would assume the researchers have documentation, or test their systems
under known conditions. See 'calibration'.
So what if they refuse to provide the documentation?
Reverse engineer what was done?
Never seen that done successfully.
You haven't?
It was more or less done recently and a flaw was found but there were only four data sets
to look at so it was easy for someone to do.
You might have read about it or at least the misrepresentation of its importance.
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10 Sep 2007 06:58:21 PM |
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On Sep 10, 4:45 pm, "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
"Bill Habr" <billh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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<d....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science.
Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/
lol
What was wrong with the article?
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist. Then there's the hoaxsters
he
quotes. "Shouldn't good data stand on its own?" lol
Which hoaxsters?
Both are identified by name in the article.
But the evidence of your libel, to wit "hoaxsters" is not in the
article. Your evidence that either one is perpetrating a hoax is
what?
And I guess that you think that good data should not stand on its own
It doesn't have to. Adjustments and corrections based on quantified
systems inadequacies are applied to data throughout science worldwide.
The problems with the adjustments made to the temperature record are
apparent on Climate Audit. If you can disprove them, have at. Short
of that, this is just empty handwaving objection.
In
the absence of verified problems with the adjustment or correction, it's a
straw man argument.
Actually, I think choosing not to take the actual instrumental record
at face value and adjusting it is a deviation from the status quo.
Sure, it's just a point of proper debate, but if you aren't going to
bother with "unverified" problems despite the auditing turning up
actual problems that have necessitated both changes and the release of
Hansen's code, why should the adjustments to the record enjoy
presumption of truth still or even initially?
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11 Sep 2007 12:55:41 PM |
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On Sep 10, 3:48 pm, "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
[snip]
It's ridiculous. First off, he keeps saying "codes". It's an error one
might expect from a high school journalist.
Well, except that it's an error in the other direction.
This is the common term applied to analysis programs
by folks who do such things. It's a computer code.
As in "I am a computer coder."
That is, it's an error you have made.
It's also a triviality that has nothing to do with the story.
But since you pointed it out as a problem, it's your problem.
Socks
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09 Sep 2007 10:27:22 PM |
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wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
--
Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html
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09 Sep 2007 10:06:29 PM |
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wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
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10 Sep 2007 04:52:50 AM |
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d.086@hotmail.com wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
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"A. Stump" <DumbAs@AStump.edu> wrote
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
Ya, well science has never interested you has it, and the fact that Dr.
Gore's movie has been referred to as a "paragon of scientific communication
with the public" by scientists in the field, just makes you hate him even
more doesn't it?
Jealousy.....
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10 Sep 2007 08:47:18 AM |
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A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
--
Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html
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10 Sep 2007 12:33:18 PM |
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"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
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A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
True enough...
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Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html
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10 Sep 2007 12:33:29 PM |
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On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post. Irony is your constant companion.
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10 Sep 2007 02:39:34 PM |
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<kwag7693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post.
Huh?
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10 Sep 2007 02:55:19 PM |
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On Sep 10, 3:39 pm, "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
<kwag7...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post.
Huh?
The poster being referenced has made a habit of denigrating usenet
generally and other posters specifically for lack of credibility/
authority. This is ironic given his own lack of relevant credentials
and the amazing amount of time and energy he spends on usenet
posting. Get it? It wasn't that far a leap.
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10 Sep 2007 03:07:56 PM |
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<kwag7693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 3:39 pm, "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
<kwag7...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate
Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist
about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post.
Huh?
The poster being referenced has made a habit of denigrating usenet
generally and other posters specifically for lack of credibility/
authority. This is ironic given his own lack of relevant credentials
and the amazing amount of time and energy he spends on usenet
posting. Get it? It wasn't that far a leap.
It's pretty far, yeah. You seriously need to look up the word 'random',
at the very least.
Or, maybe you think stumps make good commentators, in which case you
should start the Old Growth Forest News Network.
Or you could simply rewire your satire detector. It seems to be busted.
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wrote:
On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post.
Whatever turns you on, subgenius.
--
Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html
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10 Sep 2007 01:13:22 PM |
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On Sep 10, 1:53 pm, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
kwag7...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Sep 10, 9:47 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
A. Stump wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Almost as interesting as listening to an overweight ex-politician /
businessman or really overweight, liberal movie maker.
But that doesn't compare at all with a usenet post by :
A Stump.
I just love how you trash Usenet posts by random posters in your own
random Usenet post.
Whatever turns you on, subgenius.
The Church of the Subgenius is just what you need. Your own climate
science bona fides are an obscure paper on metal properties, unless I
misremember. Good job.
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01 Oct 2007 06:27:43 AM |
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d.086@hotmail.com wrote:
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
"Bill Carter" <qhk6cxl02@sneakemail.com> wrote
Always extremely interesting to hear the opinion of an economist about
climate science. 'Business owner' makes it doubly grand.
Odd isn't it that the list of <acclaim> attributed to Noel Sheppard,
doesn't include his characteristics as a fool, liar and coward.
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On Sep 9, 8:11 pm, wrote:
NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/08/nasa-s-james-ha...
NASA's James Hansen Finally Releases Climate Data Computer Codes
By Noel Sheppard | September 8, 2007 - 16:00 ET
Much as when the organization he leads quietly made changes to the
United States historical climate record at the prodding of Climate
Audit's Stephen McIntyre, James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for
Space Studies finally released critical computer codes scientists have
wanted for years, but did so with absolutely no official press
release.
As a result, not one media outlet covered this occurrence that years
from now could be seen as a huge turning point in the climate change
debate.
Despite the secrecy, there was great celebration amongst anthropogenic
global warming skeptics that have wanted these closely held codes to
be able to identify how NASA and the National Oceanic & Atmospheric
Administration make adjustments to raw climate data collected by
weather stations.
One such skeptic is Anthony Watts, who happily reported Saturday
(emphasis added):
Apparently us "court jesters" (as as Dr. James Hansen calls us) carry
some weight after all.
I'm happy to report that NASA GISS has in fact released the computer
code used to arrive at temperature adjustments for the USA and the
world. The first task is to make sure it matches what has been seen,
and to verify that we have all of it. This is hugely important in
doing independent verification of the surface temperature record.
Following that, an analysis of the methodology and replication of the
computer program output to see if it matches the current data sets.
Then perhaps we can fully understand why some stations that are in
"pristine" condition, such as Walhalla, SC, with no obvious microsite
biases, get "adjusted" by Hansen's techniques. Shouldn't good data
stand on it's [sic] own?
Yes, that sounds reasonable, Anthony, unless your goal is to
manipulate the data to support your agenda.
Of course, another happy skeptic was Stephen McIntyre who reported the
news at Climate Audit (h/t Anthony Watts, emphasis added):
Hansen has just released what is said to be the source code for their
temperature analysis. The release was announced in a shall-we-say
ungracious email to his email distribution list and a link is now
present at the NASA webpage.
Hansen says resentfully that they would have liked a "week or two" to
make a "simplified version" of the program and that it is this version
that "people interested in science" will want, as opposed to the
version that actually generated their results.
People interested in science? Heck, I thought we were all deniers and
court jesters.
Regardless, it seems a metaphysical certitude that the same media
which ignored the changes to the climate record a month ago will be
equally disinterested in reporting this information.
And, if it turns out that Watts, McIntyre, and skeptical scientists
around the world identify errors in these codes requiring additional
changes be made by Hansen to the climate record, I doubt we'll hear
about that either.
Or am I just being too darned cynical for my own good?
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor
of NewsBusters.
Reading McIntyre's blog and the comments. The fortran code has line
timestamps that show changes made very recently, so it is definitely
not a copy of the exact same code used by Hansen to make his original
"scientific discoveries" and global warming doomsday pronouncements.
Hansen said in the email announcing the release of the code that he
wanted a week or two more to "simplify" the code. He said he wanted to
do that for people interested in the "science". The people interested
in the "science" wanted the original code. Not a "simplified" (read
"***** covering") version. The man is either covering up something or he
fails to understand one of the most fundamental aspects of publishing
scientific research.
The entire purpose of peer review is for peers to be able to duplicate
and verify results. In every scientific discipline (except apparently
climateology) where computer programs are used in the research, the
authors of published scientific papers must archive the code, and the
data used. When questions arise from peers trying to duplicate and
verify the point in question, peers can simply reference the code or
the data or both. That is about as straightforward as it can get.
Well, Jimmy-boy Hansen, you've failed miserably as a scientist by
failing to provide a copy of the actual code used in your published
study. You've made it impossible to duplicate and/or verify your
results via the peer review process. By short circuiting the peer
review process, you've just made your research irrelevant and utterly
useless. And you've also lost all credibility you may have had as a
scientist.
You've also shown scientific incompetence with at least one subset of
the data you used. It took a non-scientist to bring that to light and
instead of thanking him, you ignored him for as long as you could
before grudgingly acknowledging it. And then you claimed that it was a
minor thing although it was the bulk of what you claimed to be
evidence of global warming, specifically that the warmest years ever
were almost exclusively in the 1990's.
Well, Jimmy-boy, you've been busted. You are a fraud. Time to hand in
the resignation. Scientists without credibility cannot function within
the scientific community. You *are* the weakest link, buh-bye.
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19 Oct 2007 11:12:31 PM |
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"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
Reading McIntyre's blog and the comments. The fortran code has line
timestamps that show changes made very recently, so it is definitely
not a copy of the exact same code used by Hansen to make his original
"scientific discoveries" and global warming doomsday pronouncements.
Maybe he changed a comment or added a header to document the code better?
You like making unwarranted assumptions.
Code is never frozen. And there is no precident for requiring the code to
be frozen in any of the codes of ethics that I know of. Indeed, analysis
has a history of being very mutable.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
Hansen said in the email announcing the release of the code that he
wanted a week or two more to "simplify" the code. He said he wanted to
do that for people interested in the "science". The people interested
in the "science" wanted the original code. Not a "simplified" (read
"***** covering") version.
It hardly matters as long as the numbers come out to be very nearly the
same.
However, simplifying the code need not require the modification of any of
the code modules. It could be as simple as writing a master file to execute
the proper code modules in the proper order and have them operate on the
proper files in sequence.
Typically data analysis is accomplished by running the data through a series
of separate utilities that perform filtering or analysis.
Step 1, extract the temperatures from the database.
Step 2, interpolate between missing values to fill in any missing data.
Step 3, perform a quality check on the data to ensure that all values are
reasonable (no entry errors)
Step 4, move the data into a larger database for further processing.
etc. etc etc.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
The man is either covering up something or he
fails to understand one of the most fundamental aspects of publishing
scientific research.
You are not only ignorant about science, you don't know anything about
programming either.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
The entire purpose of peer review is for peers to be able to duplicate
and verify results.
Wrong. Peer review virtually never seeks to recompute the result. Rather
the reviewers seek to establish if the proper methods were used and if the
result is significant enough to print.
In any paper, sufficient details should be provided for someone with
similar expertise to reproduce the results of the experiment or analysis, in
kind, but not necessarily in every detail.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
In every scientific discipline (except apparently
climateology) where computer programs are used in the research, the
authors of published scientific papers must archive the code, and the
data used.
Nope. This isn't a requirement in any scientific field that I am aware of.
You are living in LaLa Land.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
When questions arise from peers trying to duplicate and
verify the point in question, peers can simply reference the code or
the data or both. That is about as straightforward as it can get.
And experimenters are required to keep their experimental setup in a
locked cabinet somewhere in La La Land as well right. So someone
challenging the result can just pull out the apparatus and redo the
experiment.
Sorry ***** Stick. It doesn't work that way and it isn't required.
In science if future experimentation or future computations result in a
grand divergence of what was obtained before, then this reflects upon the
credibility of the original researcher if confirmed. If blatant enough a
review is performed, and the results can be a career stopper for the
scientist. Witness the Korean Geneticist who claimed at having made great
progress in cloneing various animals.
He was exposed, discredited, and drummed out of the profession.
This is after all, what you are trying to do to Hansen.
Your failure is virtually Guaranteed.
The best you will do is find some minor error and the results will be
verified in kind.
You will try to use this minor error to destroy Hansen, the world
scientific community will come to his defense, and you will be destroyed.
And by the end of all of this, you will have alienated every scientist in
the world.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha....................... Loser.
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10 Sep 2007 10:19:18 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:06:35 -0700, Tunderbar wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:11 pm, wrote:
NASA GISS chief James E. Hansen is the Lysenko of American science. Al
Gore is his Stalin.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/08/nasa-s-james-ha...
NASA's James Hansen Finally Releases Climate Data Computer Codes By Noel
Sheppard | September 8, 2007 - 16:00 ET
Much as when the organization he leads quietly made changes to the
United States historical climate record at the prodding of Climate
Audit's Stephen McIntyre, James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for
Space Studies finally released critical computer codes scientists have
wanted for years, but did so with absolutely no official press release.
As a result, not one media outlet covered this occurrence that years
from now could be seen as a huge turning point in the climate change
debate.
Despite the secrecy, there was great celebration amongst anthropogenic
global warming skeptics that have wanted these closely held codes to be
able to identify how NASA and the National Oceanic & Atmospheric
Administration make adjustments to raw climate data collected by weather
stations.
One such skeptic is Anthony Watts, who happily reported Saturday
(emphasis added):
Apparently us "court jesters" (as as Dr. James Hansen calls us) carry
some weight after all.
I'm happy to report that NASA GISS has in fact released the computer
code used to arrive at temperature adjustments for the USA and the
world. The first task is to make sure it matches what has been seen, and
to verify that we have all of it. This is hugely important in doing
independent verification of the surface temperature record. Following
that, an analysis of the methodology and replication of the computer
program output to see if it matches the current data sets. Then perhaps
we can fully understand why some stations that are in "pristine"
condition, such as Walhalla, SC, with no obvious microsite biases, get
"adjusted" by Hansen's techniques. Shouldn't good data stand on it's
[sic] own?
Yes, that sounds reasonable, Anthony, unless your goal is to manipulate
the data to support your agenda.
Of course, another happy skeptic was Stephen McIntyre who reported the
news at Climate Audit (h/t Anthony Watts, emphasis added):
Hansen has just released what is said to be the source code for their
temperature analysis. The release was announced in a shall-we-say
ungracious email to his email distribution list and a link is now
present at the NASA webpage.
Hansen says resentfully that they would have liked a "week or two" to
make a "simplified version" of the program and that it is this version
that "people interested in science" will want, as opposed to the version
that actually generated their results.
People interested in science? Heck, I thought we were all deniers and
court jesters.
Regardless, it seems a metaphysical certitude that the same media which
ignored the changes to the climate record a month ago will be equally
disinterested in reporting this information.
And, if it turns out that Watts, McIntyre, and skeptical scientists
around the world identify errors in these codes requiring additional
changes be made by Hansen to the climate record, I doubt we'll hear
about that either.
Or am I just being too darned cynical for my own good?
-Noel Sheppard is an economist, business owner, and Associate Editor of
NewsBusters.
Reading McIntyre's blog and the comments. The fortran code has line
timestamps that show changes made very recently, so it is definitely not a
copy of the exact same code used by Hansen to make his original
"scientific discoveries" and global warming doomsday pronouncements.
Hansen said in the email announcing the release of the code that he wanted
a week or two more to "simplify" the code. He said he wanted to do that
for people interested in the "science". The people interested in the
"science" wanted the original code. Not a "simplified" (read "*****
covering") version. The man is either covering up something or he fails to
understand one of the most fundamental aspects of publishing scientific
research.
The entire purpose of peer review is for peers to be able to duplicate and
verify results. In every scientific discipline (except apparently
climateology) where computer programs are used in the research, the
authors of published scientific papers must archive the code, and the data
used. When questions arise from peers trying to duplicate and verify the
point in question, peers can simply reference the code or the data or
both. That is about as straightforward as it can get.
Well, Jimmy-boy Hansen, you've failed miserably as a scientist by failing
to provide a copy of the actual code used in your published study. You've
made it impossible to duplicate and/or verify your results via the peer
review process. By short circuiting the peer review process, you've just
made your research irrelevant and utterly useless. And you've also lost
all credibility you may have had as a scientist.
You've also shown scientific incompetence with at least one subset of the
data you used. It took a non-scientist to bring that to light and instead
of thanking him, you ignored him for as long as you could before
grudgingly acknowledging it. And then you claimed that it was a minor
thing although it was the bulk of what you claimed to be evidence of
global warming, specifically that the warmest years ever were almost
exclusively in the 1990's.
Well, Jimmy-boy, you've been busted. You are a fraud. Time to hand in the
resignation. Scientists without credibility cannot function within the
scientific community. You *are* the weakest link, buh-bye.
ClimateAudit has a thread going on the subject that's is well worth
following. It's fun to watch people who know what they're doing take
something apart:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2031
It reminds me of those documentaries that show how they implode a
building.
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10 Oct 2007 04:28:51 PM |
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"Bill Ward" <bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote
ClimateAudit has a thread going on the subject that's is well worth
following. It's fun to watch people who know what they're doing take
something apart:
Take it apart? Ahahaha, over 370 messages and they haven't even begun to
look at the code they are yammering about.
One doofus notes that he doesn't have the Lintard OS so he can't run
python. But he'll put one together soon - I guess after his mom loans him
the 30 cents needed to download the Lintard OS. But why he doesn't just run
Python for Windows, no one knows, and no one in the "dissussion" is capable
of saying or advising.
I did note some criticism of Python and some recognition that since the
indentation is changing from machine to machine the program flow changes as
well. And also that they can't figure out what the variable types are
because Python is dynamically typed.
That's a competent group there. Ahahahahahahahahahah...
Bill. Get back to us once those in the thread finish high school.
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10 Sep 2007 02:04:00 PM |
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On 10 Sep, 16:19, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
ClimateAudit has a thread going on the subject that's is well worth
following. It's fun to watch people who know what they're doing take
something apart:
I had a quick skim through the 350 odd posts and didn't gain the
impression that they knew what they were doing at all.
What they're doing is dividing up several man-years of programming
time between a load of bloggers, most of whom obviously don't have any
familiarity with Fortran or Python, or climate modelling, as their
comments make quite clear.
Quite a few of them are having problems even getting the program
modules to run on their machines.
Then there's a lot of insinuation that there are rounding errors in
calculations due to type casting and ramblings about floating point
representation which I find hard to believe are relevant to
calculations made on weather data.
A few posters are alleging that the conversion formula between celsius
and fahrenheit is leading to errors, which seems a little hard to
believe.
The only issue of any real substance I've seen is the question of the
method use to reject station data.
But there's absolutely no evidence that this produces any systematic
distortion of the raw data.
Just the statement that X number of stations were rejected.
For all we know from that, it could mean the actual temperatures would
have been higher with them in.
Whether any of the comments on the blog are of any substance or not,
the reaction from the lumpen denialist crowd here reminds me of one of
those court-room scenes set in the deep South, where the local bigots
are already pronouncing what the verdict is before the court has even
considered the evidence and baying for blood. It smacks of a
witchunt to me.
If McIntyre, isn't motivated by his economic interests, then he
should release the details of his income from and investments in coal
and oil exploration.
I'd be particularly interested in his association with people who want
to develop Canadian oil shale reserves.
If he's motivated purely by the interests of objective science, what
has he got to lose by disclosing his accounts?
OPEN THE BOOKS!
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10 Sep 2007 03:47:25 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:04:00 -0700, wrote:
Quite a few of them are having problems even getting the program
modules to run on their machines.
Without all the modules, that could be a problem.
Then there's a lot of insinuation that there are rounding errors in
calculations due to type casting and ramblings about floating point
representation which I find hard to believe are relevant to
calculations made on weather data.
What besides high and low temperatures are being
manipulated?
A few posters are alleging that the conversion formula between celsius
and fahrenheit is leading to errors, which seems a little hard to
believe.
The problem may be tagging which is which.
The only issue of any real substance I've seen is the question of the
method use to reject station data.
Why would a computer program reject data?
But there's absolutely no evidence that this produces any systematic
distortion of the raw data.
You have reviewed ALL the evidence?
Just the statement that X number of stations were rejected.
For all we know from that, it could mean the actual temperatures would
have been higher with them in.
Of course, it is not possible for GW to be objective instead
of subjective.
Whether any of the comments on the blog are of any substance or not,
the reaction from the lumpen denialist crowd here reminds me of one of
those court-room scenes set in the deep South, where the local bigots
are already pronouncing what the verdict is before the court has even
considered the evidence and baying for blood. It smacks of a
witchunt to me.
Any attempt to raise taxes deserves a witchhunt.
If McIntyre, isn't motivated by his economic interests, then he
should release the details of his income from and investments in coal
and oil exploration.
What kind of person would assume that any man would
never do something just because it is right and needs to be
done. Trying to gain status and publicity might be more
believable for you to claim.
I'd be particularly interested in his association with people who want
to develop Canadian oil shale reserves.
How about the people who produce heat rubbing
two boards together?
If he's motivated purely by the interests of objective science, what
has he got to lose by disclosing his accounts?
OPEN THE BOOKS!
Nothing like a discussion of the physics of greenhouse gas
theory and global warming.
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10 Sep 2007 04:38:07 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:04:00 -0700, xnichols wrote:
On 10 Sep, 16:19, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
ClimateAudit has a thread going on the subject that's is well worth
following. It's fun to watch people who know what they're doing take
something apart:
I had a quick skim through the 350 odd posts and didn't gain the
impression that they knew what they were doing at all.
What they're doing is dividing up several man-years of programming time
between a load of bloggers, most of whom obviously don't have any
familiarity with Fortran or Python, or climate modelling, as their
comments make quite clear.
Quite a few of them are having problems even getting the program modules
to run on their machines.
I take it you had no problem running it, then?
Then there's a lot of insinuation that there are rounding errors in
calculations due to type casting and ramblings about floating point
representation which I find hard to believe are relevant to calculations
made on weather data.
A few posters are alleging that the conversion formula between celsius and
fahrenheit is leading to errors, which seems a little hard to believe.
Only if you don't understand the difference between integer and floating
point variables.
The only issue of any real substance I've seen is the question of
the method use to reject station data.
But there's absolutely no evidence that this produces any systematic
distortion of the raw data.
Just the statement that X number of stations were rejected. For all we
know from that, it could mean the actual temperatures would have been
higher with them in.
Whether any of the comments on the blog are of any substance or not, the
reaction from the lumpen denialist crowd here reminds me of one of those
court-room scenes set in the deep South, where the local bigots are
already pronouncing what the verdict is before the court has even
considered the evidence and baying for blood. It smacks of a witchunt
to me.
If McIntyre, isn't motivated by his economic interests, then he should
release the details of his income from and investments in coal and oil
exploration.
I'd be particularly interested in his association with people who want
to develop Canadian oil shale reserves. If he's motivated purely by the
interests of objective science, what has he got to lose by disclosing
his accounts?
OPEN THE BOOKS!
And exactly how would that affect the quality of work on the code? If you
think they're so incompetent, why are you worried about who's paying them?
I think you may be projecting your values on them. Are you being paid for
posting?
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